It's build time o boy. Updated pics! Gt2871r build.

[Sickws6]

So I been posting a couple threads here and the while reading up at the same time. Tons of useful stuff from this forum! Keep up all the good work guys. So I'll share my progress and learning as I proceed. First off i just picked this 99 a4 Quattro up bout 2 months ago. So far completely rebuilt the brake new rotors pads SS lines etc. also installed raceland coil overs and he they are legit they ride pretty good, let's see how long they last. Also picked up the Italias off cl and got hooked up on the fire stones from my friend. Man this car is fun to drive, can't imagine with 300 awhp feels like. So now that I got the brakes and suspension up to par it's time for the power to come in. Couldn't turn down the opportunity to purchase this used elim gt287r along with Bosch 44 pump and also the man threw in his short block. I'm not quite sure what the exact plan is maybe you all can help me decide. Right now I'm thinking building the block forged rods and all new seals bearing etc. while I'm building the block I might go ahead and install the turbo with a conservative tune. However I also need to do clutch 187k on stocker. So if I'm going to go through the trouble of replacing the clutch may as we'll yank the motor and hurry and build the other one up and do it all at once also saving money doing only one tune. Here are some pics, some of you may have seen some from the other threads.

First mod




O boy



Little porting action

Sweet a spec flywheel came with the block little pitting but should be able to resurface it

[Gumby]

Good looking car.

The only thing I would suggest is ditching those RC injectors, and pick up some ev14's when you get a tune. I doubt you'll find anyone with a tune to support those injectors.

[Sickws6]

Good looking car.

The only thing I would suggest is ditching those RC injectors, and pick up some ev14's when you get a tune. I doubt you'll find anyone with a tune to support those injectors.

Thanks man I actually already have them for sale!

[Sickws6]

What would be ideal boost to run at with this turbo and stock manifold?

[Raacerx]

Just rods, new bearings, a main stud kit, and you'll be able to support over 400whp depending on the fuel and turbo.

Otherwise, if you're going to be doing new pistons or anything substantial like that...go 2.0L. It's a huge difference, way more than you'd think, but a bit overkill if you're sticking with the Elim.

That 2871 should get you close to 300whp, depending on supporting mods. The Eliminator housing lowers performance a bit compared to a full frame GT2871, but its still big enough to cause risk to your stock rods.

You'll definitely need a significantly stronger clutch, find out what style the SPEC flywheel is for (looks like a stock 228mm style to me).

[Sickws6]

Just rods, new bearings, a main stud kit, and you'll be able to support over 400whp depending on the fuel and turbo.

Otherwise, if you're going to be doing new pistons or anything substantial like that...go 2.0L. It's a huge difference, way more than you'd think, but a bit overkill if you're sticking with the Elim.

That 2871 should get you close to 300whp, depending on supporting mods. The Eliminator housing lowers performance a bit compared to a full frame GT2871, but its still big enough to cause risk to your stock rods.

You'll definitely need a significantly stronger clutch, find out what style the SPEC flywheel is for (looks like a stock 228mm style to me).

The flywheel is a stock 228mm I looked it up. Thinking southbend so or hd-ofe.

[Seerlah]

Build the short block you have on the stand and throw a new clutch on that. I would start there and see where your budget is when done. Spec makes good clutches, if you wanted to get oen to mate to their flywheel. I was thinking of going Spec next, when this current clutch goes (CM 228mm FX400).

[Sickws6]

Build the short block you have on the stand and throw a new clutch on that. I would start there and see where your budget is when done. Spec makes good clutches, if you wanted to get oen to mate to their flywheel. I was thinking of going Spec next, when this current clutch goes (CM 228mm FX400).

Do I have to go with spec clutch to use with the spec flywheel or could I go different utilizing the spec flywheel?

On a different note I have been thinking about getting a full faced exhaust housing and getting rid of the elim. Anyone know where to look?

One more thing, should I buy a spare head. I was thinking about it at then I was thinking why spend the extra cash and just use my existing head I will need to swap tons of stuff from the currently installed motor anyhow. Maybe throw some new valve seals in there and cam seals.

[Seerlah]

If nothing wrong with your existing head, just use that. Just need new HG and head bolts (prep work is a must). And yes, you can use other clutches with the Spec flywheel. Best thing to do is to actually call the company of what clutch you want to run and have a talk with them. For example, I was in the process of picking up a LW Spec flywheel before I came across a deal for my Cm unit. CM said they could make a clutch for that flywheel, but I would have had to have it sent in.

[Sickws6]

I will def consult with clutch manufacturers I may go ahead and go with spec. Anything in particular to inspect replace on the head while I transfer it to the built block? Will stock head bolts work or go arp or studs?

[Seerlah]

Depending on how much power you are going to chase should determine how much you want to build your block. Personally, I would do a full rebuild with new bearings all around. Reason being, why not start fresh with a short block at zero miles. It's the bearings and piston rings that really dictate the condition of the motor. Start brand new. And once again, your power goals will determine what parts you want to use. I have OEM head bolts and OEM main bolts running a 530hp turbo (not sure how much power I am putting down to the wheels but it is above 300whp on my current tune). When I slap on a built cylinder head I will be using ARP head bolts (already picked up). But I do sort of regret not doing ARP hardware on the main caps.

[Sickws6]

Yep the plan will be to do everything with the block you mentioned with arp rods bolts. Just concerned about the head now.

[Seerlah]

ARP rod bolts are standard with forged connecting rods. They won't even accept stock rod bolts.

[Sickws6]

Ahh I see need to purchase arp for crank mains.

[Gumby]

Depending on how much power you are going to chase should determine how much you want to build your block. Personally, I would do a full rebuild with new bearings all around. Reason being, why not start fresh with a short block at zero miles. It's the bearings and piston rings that really dictate the condition of the motor. Start brand new. And once again, your power goals will determine what parts you want to use. I have OEM head bolts and OEM main bolts running a 530hp turbo (not sure how much power I am putting down to the wheels but it is above 300whp on my current tune). When I slap on a built cylinder head I will be using ARP head bolts (already picked up). But I do sort of regret not doing ARP hardware on the main caps.

That's some solid advice right there. If I were in the same boat, that's exactly the route I'd go. There's no need to go crazy on the shortblock for an eliminator setup.

[M-Hood]

If nothing wrong with your existing head, just use that. Just need new HG and head bolts (prep work is a must). And yes, you can use other clutches with the Spec flywheel. Best thing to do is to actually call the company of what clutch you want to run and have a talk with them. For example, I was in the process of picking up a LW Spec flywheel before I came across a deal for my Cm unit. CM said they could make a clutch for that flywheel, but I would have had to have it sent in.

Danny is running a CM 240mm clutch kit on his Spec 240mm flywheel.

I will def consult with clutch manufacturers I may go ahead and go with spec. Anything in particular to inspect replace on the head while I transfer it to the built block? Will stock head bolts work or go arp or studs?

I was running OEM head bolts while making nearly 500whp, the main reason to go with the aftermarket bolts or stud kit is that they can be reused.

[Sickws6]

So what tools needed for motor trans pull? Haynes manual good enough for knowledge? Just making sure I'm well prepared for when I start the job!

[Seerlah]

Standard mechanic tool set will do, along with assorted hex and torx bits. That is a start. After that, pick up tools as you need. You will also need a head bolt remover tool. Just an extended bit with the correct design at the end. When it comes to actually building the motor, that is a different story. My advice for that, invest in a quality torque wrench.

[Sickws6]

Standard mechanic tool set will do, along with assorted hex and torx bits. That is a start. After that, pick up tools as you need. You will also need a head bolt remover tool. Just an extended bit with the correct design at the end. When it comes to actually building the motor, that is a different story. My advice for that, invest in a quality torque wrench.

Cool already got a 3/8 snap on digital torque wrench. What about manuals?

[Sickws6]

Ordering a bentley manual.

Tearing down old motor found 1 thing so far. The oil pump intermediate shaft flange has a crack in it where the bearing clamps it to the block. That sucks.

[b6Hate4]

I ran 22 psi on this turbo and stock manifold and it worked well. I have since changed to a Frankenturbo manifold and it definitely lets its breath more up top. I bought the manifold separate from Doug some time ago, I've heard he no longer sells it on its own but if he does it is well worth the $200.

If your gonna stick with the stock, you could give it a nice port and polish job while it is off the car, but the runners are still pretty skinny.

[Sickws6]

I ran 22 psi on this turbo and stock manifold and it worked well. I have since changed to a Frankenturbo manifold and it definitely lets its breath more up top. I bought the manifold separate from Doug some time ago, I've heard he no longer sells it on its own but if he does it is well worth the $200.

If your gonna stick with the stock, you could give it a nice port and polish job while it is off the car, but the runners are still pretty skinny.

Cool man thanks! After messing around with one of the runners porting it I was shocked at how much material I had removed.

[Sickws6]

What is the better option, pull engine and trans out together or leave trans in and just pull engine?

[Sickws6]

What is the better option, pull engine and trans out together or leave trans in and just pull engine?

any suggestions?

[Seerlah]

You won't know till you do it. People say it is easier to pull both the engine and tranny at the same time. I pulled my engine a few times with just the long block and left the tranny in place.

[GOODBYNAAIR]

I pulled both at same time it was not bad had help from some friends for man power it helps to have a buddy run the cherry picker.

[Sickws6]

I pulled both at same time it was not bad had help from some friends for man power it helps to have a buddy run the cherry picker.

I should state I will be doing this in my garage without a lift.

[Seerlah]

I did my whole engine build with my car on rhino ramps. Car stayed on driveway (covered when necessary) and my garage was my working space. Garage is all cleaned up now and Audi is parked in there.

[Sickws6]

I did my whole engine build with my car on rhino ramps. Car stayed on driveway (covered when necessary) and my garage was my working space. Garage is all cleaned up now and Audi is parked in there.

LOL nice, how was it with ramps and how did you access the lower bellhousing bolts and all underneath stuff?

[redline380]

The only way to pull an engine is to use a Lull. You should probably rent one and a jib attachment to go along with it

[GOODBYNAAIR]

I should state I will be doing this in my garage without a lift.

I did mine in my friends garage that had just room for the car really I did have a engien llift through.

[Seerlah]

LOL nice, how was it with ramps and how did you access the lower bellhousing bolts and all underneath stuff?

Got on my back and laid under the car. Ramps provided enough room. To get to those annoying 2 bottom bellhousing bolts, I undid the tranny mounts (motor mounts also unbolted) and jacked the assembly up enough for me to get to the bolts. And I never placed them back in, so I won't ever have that problem again

[Sickws6]

Got on my back and laid under the car. Ramps provided enough room. To get to those annoying 2 bottom bellhousing bolts, I undid the tranny mounts (motor mounts also unbolted) and jacked the assembly up enough for me to get to the bolts. And I never placed them back in, so I won't ever have that problem again

Never placed two bolts that secure your trans to your engine back in?

[Seerlah]

I have a bucket full of nuts and bolts I never placed back on the car. I'm far from the only person who did this and there is the debate whether it is safe or not. But I have yet to read or hear one horror story related to this. I have all the bolts that go from the actual block to the bell housing in. None from the oil pan.

[Gumby]

Same here. I never put the bottom bolts back in, and I've never had any problems. launched the hell out of it on the street, and the track without any problems. I know mike hood does the same with his drag car, and he's got a shit load more power.

[Sickws6]

I have a bucket full of nuts and bolts I never placed back on the car. I'm far from the only person who did this and there is the debate whether it is safe or not. But I have yet to read or hear one horror story related to this. I have all the bolts that go from the actual block to the bell housing in. None from the oil pan.

Ok saweet! Sure that little knowledge just saved me a couple hours of pia getting those bolts back in lol.

[GOODBYNAAIR]

^ same I dont have the bottom bolts in and no problems at this point.

[AudiForeman]

good stuff, im interested to see how you like it once finished. I wish I woud have gone gt28 vs my little franky. I got such a good deal I couldn't pass it up.

[M-Hood]

Ok saweet! Sure that little knowledge just saved me a couple hours of pia getting those bolts back in lol.

Those 2 bolts work best when put in the trash. lol

[Seerlah]

haha