New class action lawsuit for Audi 3.0 GASOLINE engines??

[QUBE5]

take a peek at the EPA TDI thread, they mention the gas engines towards the end at least, with some more links and other comments:
http://www.audizine.com/forum/showth...DI-TDIs/page18

Thanks DocTJ!


I've been keeping the thread up to date, on at least a weekly basis, with the latest news about the scandals. It was mainly created to follow the TDI scandal, but CARB discovered the new cheats in gas engines after probing all of VW's vehicles deeper. This cheat is also shared with the 3.0L TDI.


The 3.0L TFSI cheat was found by CARB in the transmissions of tested vehicles...Here is the exact post with details on VW reluctantly confirming the cheat: http://www.audizine.com/forum/showth...1#post12005875

Honest/serious question: As long as my car is running fine, and Audi will fix/adjust my car as needed to follow suit, why do I care that they cheated emissions? Unless I'm missing the fact that this means my car will fall apart faster?

No fix has been approved and several have been attempted(All were declined by CARB/EPA). States which have stricter emissions laws(ie: California) will require these impacted vehicles to be either immediately "fixed" or they will not renew registration (based on past similar events). No one can say for definite that these vehicles can even be repaired(since no fix has been approved) and even if they can, everything points to some change in the characteristics of the vehicles. If a fix does eventually meet approval, no long term impact studies have been done, so owners will be at risk. Not reassuring signs to impacted owners, hence why most don't want to risk it and want VW to buyback their vehicles.

[auntrout]

Thanks DocTJ!


I've been keeping the thread up to date, on at least a weekly basis, with the latest news about the scandals. It was mainly created to follow the TDI scandal, but CARB discovered the new cheats in gas engines after probing all of VW's vehicles deeper. This cheat is also shared with the 3.0L TDI.


The 3.0L TFSI cheat was found by CARB in the transmissions of tested vehicles...Here is the exact post with details on VW reluctantly confirming the cheat: http://www.audizine.com/forum/showth...1#post12005875





No fix has been approved and several have been attempted(All were declined by CARB/EPA). States which have stricter emissions laws(ie: California) will require these impacted vehicles to be either immediately "fixed" or they will not renew registration (based on past similar events). No one can say for definite that these vehicles can even be repaired(since no fix has been approved) and even if they can, everything points to some change in the characteristics of the vehicles. If a fix does eventually meet approval, no long term impact studies have been done, so owners will be at risk. Not reassuring signs to impacted owners, hence why most don't want to risk it and want VW to buyback their vehicles.

Being a resident of California and currently looking to purchase a 2017 3.0T I'm now a little concerned. Does this also apply to current 2017's on dealer lots? I agree with you if a fix has not been approved who knows what I'm going to have to deal with after I purchase this vehicle. Thanks for keeping this thread updated.

[VroomVroom]

Being a resident of California and currently looking to purchase a 2017 3.0T I'm now a little concerned. Does this also apply to current 2017's on dealer lots? I agree with you if a fix has not been approved who knows what I'm going to have to deal with after I purchase this vehicle. Thanks for keeping this thread updated.

It's a safe bet that the effect - IF THERE IS ONE (let's not speculate too far out) - will extend to MY2013 for us Q-folk, and earlier than that for S4/5, and A6/7/8 applications (I may be missing some - I want to say 2010 is when the engine was introduced to the NA market). If your habit is to buy a vehicle and own it for a number of years, it may well be worth waiting. Recent TDI history is showing us that owners are "made whole," in terms of raw dollars, but inconvenience, financing expenses, and in some cases depreciation, are not really contributors to that equation. The notion of a buy-back offering a return on investment is a very extreme exception.

Personally, I'm more concerned about software fixes being shoved down our throats that rob power & economy, and likely impact the life of catalytic converters (there are always long-term impacts to "solutions" and "fixes" that neither the EPA/CARB or VAG care much about). I love my SQ, and I'm questioning myself a bit. I drank the kool-aid and loved the fact that a 3.0 with mild forced induction could make nice power up to and through redline, and still return decent economy and comply with emissions standards. Hindsight is always so crystal clear, no? Kinda' like when I bought into Sosa, McGuire, and Bonds just being naturally strong and fast.

[sleepyheadn20]

If the ecu update effects the power& economy of the car, wouldn't it be false advisement? Doesn't most SQ owners tune their car anyways? (I haven't done mine yet but is itching to do so)

[joe b]

If the ecu update effects the power& economy of the car, wouldn't it be false advisement?

I would say so. I would love them to be more transparent about these ECM updates. If they are having to update my car's computer and change the way it behaves all so they can fix a lie I expect something in return.


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[SQive]

If the ecu update effects the power& economy of the car, wouldn't it be false advisement?

Yes, and there is at least one big lawsuit against them already for the whole "clean diesel" campaign.

thanks Vroom. I am the type to buy a vehicle and drive it until it no longer makes economic sense. I still currently driving a 2001 Infiniti and thought going to a 2017 3.0T would be a great present to myself. I wanted to purchase the 2017 since I did not want to buy the first manufacturing run in Mexico. I also believe the 3.0T is not going to be offered the first year. Not sure if a 3.0T is even going to be offered unless I go to a SQ5. I'm really starting to question myself about going with the Q5. I've test drove pretty much everything in this range, except for the Jaguar F-Pace, and the Q5 3.0T was hands down, abosolutely the car I wanted. I'm pretty bummed right now.

Man, go ahead and grab an SQ. Avoid future regrets.

[auntrout]

Yes, and there is at least one big lawsuit against them already for the whole "clean diesel" campaign.



Man, go ahead and grab an SQ. Avoid future regrets.

SQive, does this potential issue also apply to the 2017 SQ5? Or we you implying to get the 2018 SQ5?

[sleepyheadn20]

I would say so. I would love them to be more transparent about these ECM updates. If they are having to update my car's computer and change the way it behaves all so they can fix a lie I expect something in return.


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Totally agree. Also, I don't see how they can fix it. If they could make the car with the same spec legally, why wouldn't they do that in the first place. Any fix would just create more lies and problems, so buyback would be the best solution?

[auntrout]

It's a safe bet that the effect - IF THERE IS ONE (let's not speculate too far out) - will extend to MY2013 for us Q-folk, and earlier than that for S4/5, and A6/7/8 applications (I may be missing some - I want to say 2010 is when the engine was introduced to the NA market). If your habit is to buy a vehicle and own it for a number of years, it may well be worth waiting. Recent TDI history is showing us that owners are "made whole," in terms of raw dollars, but inconvenience, financing expenses, and in some cases depreciation, are not really contributors to that equation. The notion of a buy-back offering a return on investment is a very extreme exception.

Personally, I'm more concerned about software fixes being shoved down our throats that rob power & economy, and likely impact the life of catalytic converters (there are always long-term impacts to "solutions" and "fixes" that neither the EPA/CARB or VAG care much about). I love my SQ, and I'm questioning myself a bit. I drank the kool-aid and loved the fact that a 3.0 with mild forced induction could make nice power up to and through redline, and still return decent economy and comply with emissions standards. Hindsight is always so crystal clear, no? Kinda' like when I bought into Sosa, McGuire, and Bonds just being naturally strong and fast.

thanks Vroom. I am the type to buy a vehicle and drive it until it no longer makes economic sense. I still currently driving a 2001 Infiniti and thought going to a 2017 3.0T would be a great present to myself. I wanted to purchase the 2017 since I did not want to buy the first manufacturing run in Mexico. I also believe the 3.0T is not going to be offered the first year. Not sure if a 3.0T is even going to be offered unless I go to a SQ5. I'm really starting to question myself about going with the Q5. I've test drove pretty much everything in this range, except for the Jaguar F-Pace, and the Q5 3.0T was hands down, abosolutely the car I wanted. I'm pretty bummed right now.