EPA vs VW/AUDI TDIs

[QUBE5]

All of them? The articles made it seem like the AL551 was some specific version/revision of the ZF8HP trans.

After some googling, Wikipedia says that the Audi Q5, Audi Q7, Audi A8 and A8L (D4) all use the ZF 8HP55 trans. The 55 makes me think the AL551 probably refers to that? Audi Longitudinal 55 version 1? I don't know, just a guess. Anyway seems like a TCU reflash is likely going to happen in the coming year. yay...

If the reports from Bild am Sonntag are true, and if CARB has found this software in the transmissions of gas powered Audis, then it really makes one wonder if there could be more "defeat devices" in other gas powered Audis, and if so, can any Audi actually comply with US emissions. So a TCU reflash may not be able to remedy this. Plus, this has the potential of being very explosive to VW financially. I know the SQ5 shares the same transmission as the TDI Q5, but I'm not sure if the 2.0T uses the same casing, but I could see that it could, since it would save on production costs. So, if these "rogue engineers"(VW's excuse) just flashed it to all the trannys in production, then its possible the 2.0T could be impacted, but its very unlikely in my opinion. When I hear more info I'll definitely share it.

[QUBE5]

I really love my TDI and don't want to give it up, but at this point I am ready I guess to move on to an SQ5 probably and sacrifice the MPG and lower fuel prices the diesel affords. Let's get this done already, Audi should really help to facilitate a buyback quickly, especially if an owner is willing to roll into another new Audi.

I felt the same way, and was even willing to possibly stay with Audi, with a SQ5 replacement if they made this situation right, but if the SQ5 has a "defeat device" now, then there is no way I will. I'm kind of hoping these reports are exaggerated, but if it is true, this could really impact VW.

[QUBE5]

Another nail in the coffin...

They need to get moving on a buyback for the 3.0L models.

Absolutely!

[QUBE5]

Germany's KBA hasn't received any word of the new allegations that Bild am Sonntag reported of CARB's newest discoveries, but the allegations weren't denied either.....

http://www.reuters.com/article/us-vo...-idUSKBN13218U

U.S. authorities have not shared any information with Germany regarding software that a newspaper report said was found in some Audi vehicles that lowered their carbon dioxide emissions during tests, a Transport Ministry spokesman said on Monday.

"For the moment, we have no information on this issue ... The KBA (motor vehicle authority) is making sure that it will receive information on the issue and as a next step it will make an assessment," spokesman Sebastian Hille said during a regular government news conference.

Also covered by the WSJ: http://www.wsj.com/articles/germany-...ngs-1478530532

In Brussels, Elzbieta Bienkowska, the European Commissioner for Internal Markets and Services, also learned about the Audi allegation from media reports. “The Commission will contact CARB for further information,” her office said in an emailed statement.

CARB didn’t respond to requests for comment, and the U.S. Environmental Protection Agency declined to comment.

Audi declined to comment.

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VW's chairman and members of the board are being investigated for market manipulation over how the company reported the diesel emissions scandal to the public and shareholders...

http://www.reuters.com/article/us-vo...-idUSKBN1321LO

German prosecutors confirmed on Monday they are investigating Volkswagen AG's supervisory board chairman over suspected market manipulation, in another blow to efforts to contain fallout from the automaker's diesel emissions scandal.

The confirmation by prosecutors in the German state of Brauchschweig came a day after the company said a probe announced in June, targeting VW brand Chief Executive Herbert Diess and former group Chief Executive Officer Martin Winterkorn, had been widened to include Hans Dieter Poetsch, its former finance chief and now head of the supervisory board.

The Braunschweig investigation focuses on whether Volkswagen in 2015 manipulated markets by delaying the release of information about the financial impact of its emissions test-cheating scandal.

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UPDATED(Below)::


The Attorney General for Illinois sued VW over the diesel emissions scandal today.....

http://www.autonews.com/article/2016...esel-emissions

Illinois filed a lawsuit against Volkswagen for tampering with emissions controls in Volkswagen and Audi diesel vehicles, becoming the 19th U.S. state to take legal action against the German automaker.

The complaint, filed in Cook County Circuit Court by Attorney General Lisa Madigan on Monday, charges the company's American unit and seeks civil penalties for violations of state environmental laws.

About 29,800 cars sold in Illinois were affected, Madigan said.

VW spokeswoman Jeannine Ginivan said the company would review the complaint.

Ginivan said Volkswagen has already agreed to buy back or modify affected 2-liter TDI vehicles, establish a $2.7 billion environmental remediation trust, which will benefit all states including Illinois, and invest $2 billion for infrastructure and awareness to increase the use of zero emission vehicles across the United States.

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The US Courts have uploaded the transcripts of the November 3rd court hearing....

Here is the transcript(Hosted by US Courts): http://cand.uscourts.gov/filelibrary...Transcript.pdf

The next "Status Conference" Court Hearing is now scheduled for November 30th @ 8 am.

[QUBE5]

Ars Technica got a statement from CARB about the latest "defeat device" news. Nothing specific, but they are talking tough...

http://arstechnica.com/cars/2016/11/...investigation/

The Wall Street Journal, however, spoke to anonymous sources that seemed to confirm the German magazine’s claims.

WSJ is uncertain how seriously CARB is taking the discovery. In a separate report yesterday, Reuters reported that CARB had made its discovery earlier this year.

In a statement to Ars, CARB spokesperson David Clegern wrote that the agency can’t comment on an ongoing investigation. He added that CARB has been testing vehicles from all manufacturers “to determine if there are undisclosed auxiliary emissions control devices (AECDs) or defeat devices that impact those emissions.”

The new screening procedures are in addition to the standard certification emissions test cycles. If illegal AECDs or defeat devices are discovered, CARB will aggressively pursue the investigation and require the manufacturer to correct the violations at its own expense. In addition, the manufacturer may be subject to penalties, as provided by law.

[sweetmeat]

All of them? The articles made it seem like the AL551 was some specific version/revision of the ZF8HP trans.

After some googling, Wikipedia says that the Audi Q5, Audi Q7, Audi A8 and A8L (D4) all use the ZF 8HP55 trans. The 55 makes me think the AL551 probably refers to that? Audi Longitudinal 55 version 1? I don't know, just a guess. Anyway seems like a TCU reflash is likely going to happen in the coming year. yay...

AL551 is the Audi designation of the transmission. I beieve you are correct, it is the ZF 8HP55

[QUBE5]

The United States just elected President Donald Trump, who has stated he is for abolishing the E.P.A.. I'm not sure if this will impact the VW TDI Settlement.

Edit::
VW's CEO Mueller this morning mentioned concerns he has about how the election could impact the Settlement....

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/artic...ttlement-talks

Volkswagen AG expressed concern that Donald Trump’s election as U.S. president could disrupt talks to reach a settlement with U.S. authorities over the German automaker’s cheating on emissions tests for diesel cars.

“I hope the election result won’t have more negative consequences for Volkswagen,” Chief Executive Officer Matthias Mueller said Wednesday at a conference in Munich. “I think we’re at a point where a ‘consent decree’ could be reached, but that’s the Department of Justice’s decision, not mine.”

Mueller said talks with U.S. authorities were “constructive” and nearing completion. “We’re now waiting how to continue the good work and bring it to a good conclusion,” he said.

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A South Korean consumer group is expected to call for an investigation into Audi over the latest revelations of another "defeat device" being found by CARB in gas powered vehicles.......

http://www.koreatimes.co.kr/www/news...88_217871.html

A Korean consumer group is expected to call for the environment ministry to investigate Audi over possible emissions cheating on more models as the German automaker was found to install emissions-cheating software in some of their gasoline models in the U.S.

According to law firm Barun, who is leading a class action suit against Audi's sister company Volkswagen, it will submit a petition demanding an immediate investigation of Audi's gasoline models over possible emissions cheating.

The petition is following The Wall Street Journal's report of the California Air Resources Board (CARB)'s recent findings.

[QUBE5]

A new class action lawsuit against VW over the diesel (and now gas) emissions scandal was filed on Tuesday in Chicago on behalf of 3.0L gas owners....

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articl...-audi-gas-cars

Volkswagen AG’s plot to cheat emissions tests by installing so-called defeat devices in its vehicles wasn’t limited to diesel cars, but also included at least six models of Audi 3.0-liter gasoline engines, according to a consumer lawsuit.

In a class action on behalf of owners of more than 100,000 vehicles, the German carmaker’s Audi unit was accused of installing software designed to beat emissions tests in its A6, A8, Q5 and Q7 cars since February 2013 and possibly earlier. Audi executives encouraged use of the devices in gas-powered vehicles as recently as May, eight months after the diesel cheating was publicly disclosed, according to the complaint filed Tuesday in Chicago federal court.

VW spokeswoman Jeannine Ginivan and Audi spokesman Mark Clothier declined to comment on the complaint.

The lawsuit comes two weeks after U.S. District Judge Charles Breyer gave his final approval to VW’s $14.7 billion settlement covering 480,000 diesel cars with 2.0-liter engines, widely seen as a benchmark achievement for the carmaker. VW still doesn’t have an approved way to fix any of the 560,000 cars still polluting U.S. roads.

[Blau Flash]

oh boy and i was just going to take my tdi settlement money and purchase an A6. There's no way this new lawsuit dies quickly. This is not good.

A new class action lawsuit against VW over the diesel (and now gas) emissions scandal was filed on Tuesday in Chicago on behalf of 3.0L gas owners....

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articl...-audi-gas-cars

[QUBE5]

Today, VW/Audi confirmed the new "defeat devices" in gasoline powered vehicles....


http://www.nytimes.com/2016/11/13/bu...ting.html?_r=0

The investigation into emissions fraud at Volkswagen widened on Saturday after the company acknowledged that United States and German regulators were looking into a possible new form of cheating in some Audi luxury cars and sport utility vehicles.

In a statement on Saturday, Volkswagen tacitly confirmed a report in the Süddeutsche Zeitung newspaper that some Audis with automatic transmissions behaved differently when the cars were being tested. If the software that controlled the transmission detected testing conditions, according to the newspaper, the cars shifted in a way that would produce less carbon dioxide. In normal use, the cars used a shifting sequence intended to provide better performance.

Audi did not identify the models involved. According to a lawsuit filed on behalf of Audi owners in United States District Court in Minnesota on Thursday, they include 100,000 Audi A6 and A8 luxury sedans and Q5 and Q7 S.U.V.s with 3-liter gasoline engines manufactured through May. The cars sensed that they were undergoing stationary tests on rollers if the steering wheel did not move more than 15 degrees.

Representatives for Volkswagen and its Audi division acknowledged that regulators were looking at why some models shifted differently during tests. But the company suggested that any discrepancies were not a deliberate attempt to cheat.

“In the testing situation,” Audi said in a statement on Saturday, “dynamic shift programs can lead to incorrect readings and results that cannot be reproduced.”

[EYE4SPEED]

Does this apply to the SQ5 as well?


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[QUBE5]

Does this apply to the SQ5 as well?

The lawsuit doesn't specifically list the SQ5, but I suggest you contact the law firm, which has brought the class action, and ask them specifically about your vehicle.

https://www.hbsslaw.com/cases/audi-e...-gasoline-cars

[sweetmeat]

This is getting ridiculous!


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[martian421]

I was with you on this one Blau. I was thinking of getting a Q7 if the buyback went through with my Q5 TDI but now i'm seriously considering another brand because of what Audi is doing here - then again, this might be happening in all automotive companies (where emissions are not tracked correctly and appropriately.)

who can you possibly trust now...

oh boy and i was just going to take my tdi settlement money and purchase an A6. There's no way this new lawsuit dies quickly. This is not good.

[By Jiminy]

oh boy and i was just going to take my tdi settlement money and purchase an A6. There's no way this new lawsuit dies quickly. This is not good.

I was with you on this one Blau. I was thinking of getting a Q7 if the buyback went through with my Q5 TDI but now i'm seriously considering another brand because of what Audi is doing here - then again, this might be happening in all automotive companies (where emissions are not tracked correctly and appropriately.)

who can you possibly trust now...

I'm with both of you. I love my Q5 (well, when I can wrest it away from my wife), and was considering a gas-powered Q5 or an A6 if there was a buyback. I don't think another Audi is in my future now. By the way, I took delivery on my Q5 8 days prior to the start of Diesel-gate last year, so this has been hanging over our car pretty much the entire time we've owned it.

[schnelldiesel1]

According to Reuters VW will be buying back approximately 20,000 of the 3.0 liter vehicles and attempting to "fix" 60,000 of the newer vehicles.

How can we identify at this time if we have an older vehicle that will be bought back or a new one that will be fixed?

Reuters: http://www.reuters.com/article/us-vo...-idUSKBN13A1VE

The agreement includes a buyback offer for about 20,000 older Audi and VW SUVs and a software fix for 60,000 newer Porsche, Audi and VW cars and SUVs, the sources said. A separate, more complex fix is expected to be offered for the older vehicles. Talks are ongoing between lawyers for the owners and Volkswagen over compensation for the owners ahead of a Nov. 30 court hearing.

I really find it hard to believe they can detune these vehicles and still have them perform the same with lesser emissions. I also don't like the fact that they will be modifying a factory built car. I've always kept my vehicles stock with no modifications because I believe that's how they maintain longevity.

[QUBE5]

According to Reuters VW will be buying back approximately 20,000 of the 3.0 liter vehicles and attempting to "fix" 60,000 of the newer vehicles.

How can we identify at this time if we have an older vehicle that will be bought back or a new one that will be fixed?

Reuters: http://www.reuters.com/article/us-vo...-idUSKBN13A1VE


I really find it hard to believe they can detune these vehicles and still have them perform the same with lesser emissions. I also don't like the fact that they will be modifying a factory built car. I've always kept my vehicles stock with no modifications because I believe that's how they maintain longevity.

Schnelldiesel1,

Thanks for posting the link to the Reuters' article for everyone.

I suggest that all 3.0L TDI owners wait till the November 30th court date to see what the full details of the 3.0L TDI resolution will be. The article from Reuters didn't really provide definite answers, but merely a possible outcome based on rumors of the current negotiations (Negotiations are still confidential/Rumors state that buybacks for only 20,000 older 3.0L TDIs and a fix for the rest, which hasn't been fully developed yet).

The lead attorney, Elizabeth Cabraser, mentioned in the article that negotiations are still ongoing and she even stated that VW should offer buybacks to all 3.0L TDI owners..... so we will have to see what the eventual resolution is.

Audi said it is still working closely with regulators "to reach an agreement on an approved resolution" ahead of a Nov. 30 court hearing, but declined to comment on confidential talks.

Elizabeth Cabraser, the lead attorney for the owners, said in a statement that any agreement between owners and the company should offer all 3.0-liter owners a choice between a buyback or a fix if approved by regulators.

The U.S. Environmental Protection Agency declined to comment Wednesday.

"While an agreement between the EPA and Volkswagen may address some of the environmental damage, it does not hold the company accountable for the harm caused to consumers. We will continue to pursue a fair resolution on their behalf," she said.

Details of a final settlement are still being worked out but Volkswagen is expected to save potentially billions by avoiding a buyback of all 3.0-liter vehicles.

So, lets not get ahead of ourselves and assume that the agreement wouldn't offer buybacks to all owners or some form of substantial compensation.

However, I do agree with you Schnelldiesel1, a detune "fix" is not a mutual agreeable resolution and it has a serious possibility of requiring additional maintenance for the vehicle throughout the remainder of its life cycle, in addition to the "fix" hurting the vehicle's performance and fuel efficiency. So, if we don't get details of proper compensation for this scandal by the November 30th court date, then I suggest 3.0L TDI owners not agree to or accept the class action resolution and I suggest that all 3.0L TDI owners sue VW independently for damages, immediately. We will have to wait and see another two weeks, but I'm not going to keep waiting past the December 1st deadline... VW has already had enough time to resolve this and so have the attorneys,... if this next court date doesn't provide answers, I'm going to seek my own and suggest all owners to do the same.

Hopefully it doesn't come to that and a proper resolution for 3.0L TDI owners is reached by the end of November, but every owner should now be prepared to sue VW independently if the attorneys cave to VW in negotiations.

Also covered by Bloomberg: https://www.bloomberg.com/news/artic...ainted-diesels

Plaintiffs, FTC still want buy-back option for all models

Elizabeth Cabraser, lead attorney for the consumer plaintiffs, said in an e-mailed statement. “Any resolution must grant these consumers similar benefits -- including a choice between a buyback or a fix if approved by regulators -- as were offered to class members in the 2.0-liter vehicle litigation.”

[hiphawpdrunkie]

You should all have received an e-mail from Lieff Cabraser Heimann & Bernstein, LLP, class counsel, seeking your opinion on whether a potential remedy should include the option of a buyback. I encourage you all to respond to the e-mail with your thoughts.

[spazz]

You should all have received an e-mail from Lieff Cabraser Heimann & Bernstein, LLP, class counsel, seeking your opinion on whether a potential remedy should include the option of a buyback. I encourage you all to respond to the e-mail with your thoughts.

I didn't get one

[spazz]

I'm with you Jiminy, I took possession 9 days prior to the scandal. As much as i love my new q5 TDI, I hate the company and the way they scammed me, I don't trust the dealership either because of how they've handled this.

[EYE4SPEED]

I'm looking to buy one - must have s line plus and hgb. Let me know if anyone wants out.


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[QUBE5]

MarketWatch published an article last night that basically has all the same information as the Reuters and Bloomberg articles, but it did have one additional statement, which could indicate that the attorneys may not actually agree to the Settlement for 3.0L TDIs and the attorneys in the class action may actually push for a trial instead. This would help us avoid independent litigation. So something to watch in the next few days...

http://www.marketwatch.com/story/vw-...sts-2016-11-16

The EPA is focused on lowering vehicle emissions to reduce further environmental damage, but Elizabeth Cabraser, the lead lawyer for consumers, said in a statement that any deal must "hold the company accountable for the harm caused to consumers." Without a higher cash offer for owners of these cars, lawyers for the consumers could soon press for a trial, the people familiar with the matter said.

[QUBE5]

Hagens Berman sent out a statement to owners denying the reports of a resolution for 3.0L TDI owners. It's a very similar statement to the public statements from the lead attorney Elizabeth Cabraser. Negotiations are still ongoing and the attorneys are pressing for a similar resolution to the 2.0L TDI Settlement....

Dear 3.0-liter owners,

We want to update you on the current status of the pending litigation against Volkswagen on behalf of owners of 3.0-liter TDI Volkswagen, Audi and Porsche vehicles. We are hopeful that a resolution will come to fruition soon. As of yet, there has not been any settlement agreement reached with VW for its deceptive marketing and emissions-cheating software in 3.0-liter affected vehicles.

The court-appointed team is holding Volkswagen’s feet to the fire in every way possible.

Any resolution that is reached for owners must include a choice between a buyback or fix approved by regulators, similar to the settlement reached for owners of 2.0-liter affected vehicles.

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Audi of America's President stated yesterday that Audi may offer a Q7 TDI in the US, but it would more than likely be the only model with a diesel engine offered in the US by Audi....

http://europe.autonews.com/article/2...l-model-in-u-s

Audi envisions the potential of just one diesel model in its U.S. product mix in the wake of diesel emissions violations that have embroiled its parent company Volkswagen Group, Audi's U.S. head said on Wednesday.

"Once we hopefully get past everything, I see an opportunity for potentially, probably to offer it on one model, and that model would probably be the Q7 SUV," Audi of America President Scott Keogh told Reuters at the Los Angeles auto show. "It's the one model that makes the most sense."

[QUBE5]

For TDI owners in England, you may get some relief if VW accepts, the Mayor of London, Sadiq Khan's demands which he made in a letter he sent to VW...

https://www.theguardian.com/business...idents-and-tfl

The mayor of London has written to Volkswagen imploring the car manufacturer to “fully compensate” the capital’s residents affected by the emissions scandal.

Sadiq Khan called on VW to reimburse Transport for London (TFL) some £2.5m in lost congestion charge revenue from vehicles that were not known to be contributing to the capital’s pollution levels.

In his letter, Khan said: “There is no excuse for the utter lack of action VW has taken in London since the ‘dieselgate’ scandal came to light.

“I want to see a proper commitment from them to fully compensate the thousands of Londoners who bought VW cars in good faith, but whose diesel engines are now contributing to London’s killer air.

“I also urge them to reimburse TfL the £2.5m lost in congestion charge revenue, which I will use to fund a new schools air quality programme that will reduce the exposure and raise the awareness of schoolchildren in London attending schools in the most polluted areas.”

It is estimated that the equivalent of up to 9,400 deaths occur each year in London due to illnesses caused by long-term exposure to air pollution, with 448 London schools in areas exceeding legal air-quality levels.

Of the 500,000 VW vehicles registered to addresses in London, it is estimated 80,000 are from model years 2009 to 2015 – those in which suspect devices were used.

The mayor has also asked VW for a progress update on their commitment to re-program the defeat devices in affected vehicles and the expected completion date.

[kausbose]

For all you Q5 3.0T and SQ5 owners (gasoline engines, if I wasn't clear already). Have you noticed a drop in the value of your vehicles based on the recent allegations brought on by CARB? I feel I was hit by about $3,000. Prices on Carmax seemed low to me too. Thoughts? I am just about getting ready to offload my A3 TDI and now this.

[bmoreS4]

Im just over here waiting for VW to buy back my Touareg TDI so I can grab the wife a Q7..............no hurry.......

[Jallen0]

Im just over here waiting for VW to buy back my Touareg TDI so I can grab the wife a Q7..............no hurry.......

Glad you're in no hurry. Looks like it's going to take awhile. http://jalopnik.com/why-volkswagen-t...lga-1789233795

[QUBE5]

VW's CEO, Matthias Mueller, responded to the Mayor of London's letter and also to European disgruntled TDI owners today by calling them opportunists during an interview....I'm sure these owners now will definitely buy another VW........

https://global.handelsblatt.com/poli...s-right-648217

In an interview with the daily Frankfurter Allgemeine Zeitung, Mr. Müller stood steadfastly by VW’s official position that European diesel owners shouldn’t receive a compensation package like the one offered to consumers in the United States.

“You can’t lump everything together,” Mr. Müller said. “The starting point is completely different. In Europe, customers don’t face a disadvantage in terms of mileage or driving characteristics.”

Fair enough. But then VW’s chief executive went a step too far – he directly criticized the actual customers in Europe, accusing them of opportunism.

If VW ends up compensating European impacted owners, expect customers from other regions of the globe to follow shortly thereafter.....So, US impacted owners should try and make sure they get into the "VW compensation line" immediately via either a Settlement or independent litigation,.....otherwise there may not be much left after the whole world has had a piece....

[QUBE5]

VW confirmed again yesterday that it will not be offering diesel engines in the US....

http://www.cnbc.com/2016/11/22/volks...-business.html

Volkswagen will no longer offer diesel vehicles in the United States, its global brand chief said on Tuesday, ending speculation the company might return to the technology after its emissions scandal fades from memory.

The comments by Volkswagen brand Chief Executive Herbert Diess, first reported by European business daily Handelsblatt and confirmed to Reuters by a VW spokesman, were the strongest yet to deny the possibility that diesel — once a quarter of the brand's U.S. sales — could be a part of Volkswagen's future U.S. lineup.

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Congress will hold a hearing on December 1st over the VW 2.0L TDI Settlement...

http://www.autonews.com/article/2016...ouse-committee

In a letter in response to questions from lawmakers released Tuesday, EPA enforcement chief Cynthia Giles said “nothing” in the consent decree prohibits VW “from obtaining revenue” from projects that receive that funding.

“The ZEV investment requirement will be a business investment made by Volkswagen,” Giles said in the letter. “VW may see a benefit from mandatory ZEV investments, and that would not be inconsistent with the [consent decree.] Volkswagen could have decided to make these investments even without this enforcement case, but now it is required to do so.”

The provision in the record-setting consent decree will likely be scrutinized by lawmakers, who scheduled a hearing next week to look into the company’s settlement.

Republican leaders of the U.S. House Energy and Commerce Committee called the Dec. 1 hearing Tuesday in part to look into how the EPA will oversee the spending plans, which will come as the VW Group prepares to launch 30 EVs by 2025.

Lawmakers will also review the “potential” for VW to gain an “unfair competitive edge” in the electric vehicle market from the investments, according to a statement by the committee’s Republican leadership.

The hearing will review the diesel scandal’s requirement for VW to spend some $2.7 billion on environmental mitigation projects.

“For over a year now the committee has been examining the VW cheating scandal and remains committed to holding VW accountable for its actions, as they represent a fundamental violation of public trust,” U.S. Rep. Tim Murphy, R-Penn., and chairman of the Energy and Commerce Committee’s oversight panel, said in a statement. “These provisions aim to remedy the market and environmental impacts of VW’s deceitful actions; however, questions remain in regards to the implementation of these provisions.”

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I hope everyone has a safe and Happy Thanksgiving!

[QUBE5]

Porsche's CEO confirmed at the LA Auto Show that it will stop selling TDIs as well, and it will sell the remaining diesel Porsche Cayennes as "used" vehicles, substantially discounted, once the 3.0L TDI Settlement is finalized.....

http://www.autonews.com/article/2016...parked-diesels

Once Porsche has an approved emissions fix for its diesel-powered Cayenne crossover, the brand will sell the nearly 1,500 new Cayennes in dealership inventories as used vehicles.

Porsche Cars North America CEO Klaus Zellmer said he can't comment on any settlement. But once one is approved, Porsche will fix the 10,000 diesel Cayennes in customer hands and the 1,300 to 1,500 Cayennes in dealership inventories, Zellmer said. Porsche issued the stop-sale on the 2014 through 2016 model year diesel Cayennes on Nov. 3, 2015.

"Then they're going to be sold as used cars," Zellmer said during an interview at the Los Angeles Auto Show. "They will be low-mileage, very attractive used cars, based on the age of the car. There's always a market for any car. You just have to get the price right."

The discounted Cayennes should be attractive to Porsche's diesel fans, he said.

[QUBE5]

Today's court hearing has been delayed by Justice Breyer. Negotiations are continuing, and a new date has been set for Decemeber 15th @ 10AM........

http://www.reuters.com/article/volks...-idUSL1N1DU23L

Nov 29 U.S. District Judge Charles Breyer on Tuesday delayed a court hearing set for Wednesday on Volkswagen AG's plan to address 80,000 polluting Audi, Porsche and VW 3.0-liter vehicles.

In a court filing ON Tuesday, Breyer said negotiations are continuing between the German automaker, regulators and lawyers representing owners and set a Dec. 16 hearing, saying he had been advised that a delay "may produce a resolution of the outstanding issues."

[bmoores]

Unreal. Hoping for a final resolution but not holding my breath.

[schnelldiesel1]

Don't know if I'm more disappointed with Volkswagen or Justice Breyer..

I really don't mean to sound overdramatic here but the delays in court and the not knowing of the fate of these cars is going to be puts unnecessary stress and anxiety on the owners (speaking from my own experience of course).

[zcd2.7t]

OTOH, at least now I can go ahead with mounting the winter tires on our Q5, because even if a buyback were offered (which I doubt at this point), it won't likely happen before Spring 2017...

[Phknlwyr]

There is nothing unique about today's decision to delay the proceedings to allow the parties to continue settlement discussions. The fact that Judge Breyer set a relatively short follow-up date is significant as it signals to the parties that he wants them, for once and for all, to either crap or get off the pot. Litigation follows a glacial pace and is absurdly expensive. I'm sure VW wants to end this sooner rather than later but with certain states now filing claims, they are muddying the already murky waters and preventing VW from resolving all/most claims in one fell swoop. For the record, I have a 2009 Q7 TDI and a 2015 Porsche Cayenne Diesel so I too am anxiously awaiting the result and hoping for a buy-out.

[remedyzrider]

They just keep digging a deeper hole for themselves. Settle to appease customers, turn in a TDI for an amount that encourages an immediate purchase of a non-TDI. Simple. Retain customers (particularly the higher income 3L owners) and their long-term value.

Getting very tired of waiting date after date to determine the outcome of our cars. I would be very surprised if any original owners would take or be content with anything other than a buy-back.

[QUBE5]

OTOH, at least now I can go ahead with mounting the winter tires on our Q5, because even if a buyback were offered (which I doubt at this point), it won't likely happen before Spring 2017...

Uh,.. you've been clear that you don't care about this issue, so I don't know why your suddenly now trying to act like you care about buybacks....... Frankly, I'm not sure why you continue to follow a thread which you have you been so clear in dismissing its seriousness. However, I don't claim be to able to explain crazy.

what VW and Porsche have done doesn't bother or affect me in the least

BTW, don't get confused, I don't care why you are continuing to post (hence why your on my ignore list) and I'm sure you'll find some way to spin this and defend Audi's actions(as you have all along), but I just thought I'd point out your obvious hypocrisy.

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There is nothing unique about today's decision to delay the proceedings to allow the parties to continue settlement discussions. The fact that Judge Breyer set a relatively short follow-up date is significant as it signals to the parties that he wants them, for once and for all, to either crap or get off the pot. Litigation follows a glacial pace and is absurdly expensive. I'm sure VW wants to end this sooner rather than later but with certain states now filing claims, they are muddying the already murky waters and preventing VW from resolving all/most claims in one fell swoop. For the record, I have a 2009 Q7 TDI and a 2015 Porsche Cayenne Diesel so I too am anxiously awaiting the result and hoping for a buy-out.

Your absolutely correct. The repeated statements from the attorneys involved, and now the statements from Justice Breyer, do suggest an agreement and resolution is forthcoming. However, I'd suggest that everyone be vigilant and if a settlement doesn't get worked out, then owners should be prepared to litigate this matter independently(so owners can file before the end of the year). Although based on these public statements, I'm optimistic an equitable resolution may come soon.

CNET, seems to share this same optimism about a forthcoming resolution...

https://www.cnet.com/roadshow/news/j...ntil-december/

While a delayed court date might seem like a setback, it's actually a glimmer of hope that this nail will be hammered soon.

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Tomorrow, December 1st @ 10AM ET, there is a US Congressional Oversight Hearing for the VW 2.0L TDI Settlement, mainly focusing on the Settlement's requirement for VW's environmental restitution...

https://www.govtrack.us/congress/committees/calendar

House Energy and Commerce: Oversight and Investigations

Volkswagen’s Emissions Cheating Settlement: Questions Concerning ZEV Program Implementation

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...but I just thought I'd point out your obvious hypocrisy...

Pathetic attempt at trolling your own thread. Ignore me or not, make up your mind, speaking of hypocrisy!

You have no idea what I think about this issue, and never have, so don't make assumptions.

What I refused to do, and still refuse to do, is get all up in arms about this. It's going to be what it's going to be, and no amount of worrying, waving of arms or making ridiculous claims or assumptions about how Audi was screwing customers was ever going to change that.