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    Question The B8 A4 intake debate

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    Hey guys,

    I'm in the market for an intake, but being a Canadian it makes it a 45% higher investment right now.

    I keep reading threads about fitment and sound issues with all B8 A4 intakes. I'm able to buy a K&N or AEM locally, for nearly half the cost of ECS Tuning or APR intakes.

    I couldn't find much for reviews on the AEM intake, and only some guys are annoyed by the K&N intake noise, and most report odd midrange noises that are apparent with the ECS intakes. Seems like a tough decision right now.

    Any advice?

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    My advice to you is that intakes are just about the biggest waste of money you could imagine on these cars. The stock Audi intake is very efficiant and only needs an AFE filter and a turbo inlet hose to make it shine.

    Unless you want the look of a carbon fiber intake, under your hood...then by all means spend $500.
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    Quote Originally Posted by b6Hate4 View Post
    My advice to you is that intakes are just about the biggest waste of money you could imagine on these cars. The stock Audi intake is very efficiant and only needs an AFE filter and a turbo inlet hose to make it shine.

    Unless you want the look of a carbon fiber intake, under your hood...then by all means spend $500.
    We should write a script that automates this response everyday when the intake threads are created.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Elliott View Post
    We should write a script that automates this response everyday when the intake threads are created.
    That is a great idea. Even better if it would pop up like an autocorrect any time someone typed "intake" in a new thread.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Elliott View Post
    We should write a script that automates this response everyday when the intake threads are created.
    I was going to make a massive "So you've decided to mod your b8" thread with all the info needed to be a good guide and give people an understanding of their newly purchased car and what all this jib jab lingo means, but then I remembered anyone who needs that thread would never search for it, I'd have to hope it got stickied
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    Quote Originally Posted by blbroo View Post
    That is a great idea. Even better if it would pop up like an autocorrect any time someone typed "intake" in a new thread.


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    I went with the ECS intake without the carbon fiber and the fitment is really nice imo.


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    Let me ask this, who has actually been happy with their K&N intake? And kept it on?

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    Quote Originally Posted by ST3 View Post
    Let me ask this, who has actually been happy with their K&N intake? And kept it on?
    Did you miss a couple posts? Or are you just really set on having an intake?
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    Quote Originally Posted by b6Hate4 View Post
    Did you miss a couple posts? Or are you just really set on having an intake?
    Which intake have you owned that was a "big waste of money"?

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    Quote Originally Posted by ST3 View Post
    Which intake have you owned that was a "big waste of money"?

    None. Because I don't buy into marketing bullshit.

    Zero intakes have dyno proven power gains above 1hp. None of them. That money is much better spent elsewhere. Aftermarket intakes work well on cars which come factory with restricted intakes, ours are not one of them. Manufacturers know that most Audi owners are not aware of this, and that many have more money than common sense...hence the plethora of intakes which will not make any difference in power.
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    Quote Originally Posted by b6Hate4 View Post
    My advice to you is that intakes are just about the biggest waste of money you could imagine on these cars. The stock Audi intake is very efficiant and only needs an AFE filter and a turbo inlet hose to make it shine.

    Unless you want the look of a carbon fiber intake, under your hood...then by all means spend $500.
    Thanks for this! I was wondering whether I should get an intake but now I know there is no need for it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MrTylerRaines View Post
    I went with the ECS intake without the carbon fiber and the fitment is really nice imo.


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    How's the sound with that intake? I was considering purchasing it

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    The B8 A4 intake debate

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    The B8 A4 intake debate

    Quote Originally Posted by DontHait View Post
    How's the sound with that intake? I was considering purchasing it
    I like it, B8's have a louder wind up than im used to but overall the fitment is fantastic and i noticed a slightly better throttle response.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Elliott View Post
    We should write a script that automates this response everyday when the intake threads are created.
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    Skip the intake and pick up an AFE drop in. Save your money for suspension mods or a tune.
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    bought my vehicle used and it had the apr carbonio installed. i also had the carbonio on a previous vehicle (mk4 1.8t). it's a great looking piece and lets the turbo whistle nice, but from my experience isn't worth the investment. if you have the money burning a hole in your pocket, go for it. but as most people in this forum suggest, there will be a number of mods that will give you a better bang for your buck.

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    I currently have the K&N Typhoon intake installed and do have the whistle noise between 2k to 3k RPMS that most other users have mentioned. I have gotten used to the sound and don't even notice it anymore but it is defiantly different at first. I feel the intake did help a little bit with top end power but nothing major.
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    Quote Originally Posted by b6Hate4 View Post
    I was going to make a massive "So you've decided to mod your b8" thread with all the info needed to be a good guide and give people an understanding of their newly purchased car and what all this jib jab lingo means, but then I remembered anyone who needs that thread would never search for it, I'd have to hope it got stickied
    We really should put this together and get it stickied. Basic info on wheel fitment, suspension, aesthetics, and performance. I don't really think it would be that massive if we stuck to basic info and I bet we could get it stickied.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Project Quattro View Post
    We really should put this together and get it stickied. Basic info on wheel fitment, suspension, aesthetics, and performance. I don't really think it would be that massive if we stuck to basic info and I bet we could get it stickied.


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    Quote Originally Posted by blbroo View Post
    That is a great idea. Even better if it would pop up like an autocorrect any time someone typed "intake" in a new thread.


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    That would be awesome. Its disappointing looking back on here and seeing the same stuff being asked over and over again.


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    Quote Originally Posted by b6Hate4 View Post
    My advice to you is that intakes are just about the biggest waste of money you could imagine on these cars. The stock Audi intake is very efficiant and only needs an AFE filter and a turbo inlet hose to make it shine.

    Unless you want the look of a carbon fiber intake, under your hood...then by all means spend $500.
    HAHA $500.....thats like 1,500 CND right now

    Also i have the APR intake......fitment.....well it doesnt fit but i got it for a steal so im dealing with it. Did it add power probably not

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    Quote Originally Posted by kailuaboy View Post
    HAHA $500.....thats like 1,500 CND right now

    Also i have the APR intake......fitment.....well it doesnt fit but i got it for a steal so im dealing with it. Did it add power probably not
    I picked up the ECS carbon intake a few weeks ago and paid 539$ CDN for it shipped from EuroSport Tuning. You have to pay to play. If money is a concern save enough until you can actually afford the mods, until then stay stock. Yes the CDN dollar sucks. Will it change anytime soon....probably not for awhile.
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    I like the sound from the ECS non-carbon intake. Installed it last week.
    During normal cruising, can't even hear it. Even under acceleration I need to have the radio off to hear anything.
    The only time it seems to emit what I'm seeing referred to as "strange" sounds is when you are near a curb or other objects that deflect the sound back to the car, and honestly that always makes things sound weird.
    With windows down and radio off, I like the spool and woosh sounds during acceleration and lifting your foot off the gas.
    The only time it's loud is after a cold start, backing out of my driveway.
    What's A LOT more annoying is the really loud squeaky brakes at this time.

    Anyway, no regrets. I know there is no power increase but I like the extra sound and I like that the car is "supposedly" breathing a little easier. Anything that potentially relieves stress on stock parts after making actual power increasing upgrades is good in my book.
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    Quote Originally Posted by WAF View Post
    I picked up the ECS carbon intake a few weeks ago and paid 539$ CDN for it shipped from EuroSport Tuning. You have to pay to play. If money is a concern save enough until you can actually afford the mods, until then stay stock. Yes the CDN dollar sucks. Will it change anytime soon....probably not for awhile.
    I agree 100%. I'll be one of the first paying to play with the apr stage 3 kit no matter how shitty the dollar is


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    Quote Originally Posted by kailuaboy View Post
    I agree 100%. I'll be one of the first paying to play with the apr stage 3 kit no matter how shitty the dollar is


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    Yah not try to be an arse just that with the economy it's better to save for a rainy day just incase......STG 3 kit is in my future also it will be a car changer bigtime.
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    Quote Originally Posted by WAF View Post
    Yah not try to be an arse just that with the economy it's better to save for a rainy day just incase......STG 3 kit is in my future also it will be a car changer bigtime.
    At least the royalty review didn't go completely sideways for you guys.


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    I'd like to comment that though everyone seems to believe that the factory intake is efficient we've found through our testing that it is actually a bit of a restriction. Below is a post in our intake thread from our lead engineer on the project.

    "When we took on this project we took it on as a whole and to try to develop the best intake that we could via scientific testing instead of just throwing parts together. We wish the car made more “power” but this ECU logic is set up in such way that an intake simply will not make power, so we went for a intake that is more efficient and functions in every other way other then simply making power.

    This vehicle has some ECU logic that you simply cant get around unless the vehicle has a tune specific for an intake. My observation shows that the ECU is heavily torque governed, so when the ECU wants a certain power output and will do everything it can to hit that number. What our intake does is allow the car to hit that requested torque number easier with less stress on the engine and ancillary systems like the turbo and intercooler. What you get with our intake is a more efficient design, simple as that. The car does not have to work as hard to produce the same power output, and that is seen in the turbo outlet temperatures, turbo inlet pressure, and the ECU knock readings. The stock ECU was pulling as much as 3 degrees of timing and running higher boost (0.3-0.8PSI) more to hit the same power output as we did with our intake under the same conditions.

    You can then tie all this information into efficiency maps of a turbocharger and see that now the turbo is working more efficiently as it does not have to struggle to suck air through a “straw” and is able to easier hit its boost target at a lower outlet temperature which will now put less stress on your intercooler and the rest of the cooling system. This is what our intake offers over stock, not power (as the ECU doesn’t like to play along) but a happier motor that is less stressed. When running numbers we were able to run at a peak pressure ratio of 2.48 when compared to the stock intake at 2.56. It doesn’t sound like much, but when you look at a compressor map for a K03 it makes a difference!"


    Below are graphs showing how restrictive the factory intake is compared to ours an how much ours drops turbo outlet temps.

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    In summary we were able to reduce turbo outlet temperatures by as much as 34°F at wide open throttle, and increase intake flow by 160% when compared to stock. This resulted in pulling equal amounts of power at lower boost levels and a more consistent running engine. Our testing showed that the stock intake was so restrictive that the ECU was pulling ignition timing and increasing boost to make up for the intakes inherently restrictive design. By carefully designing the intake, we were able to ensure that the ECU was not pulling ignition timing and producing power at lower boost levels. With the combination of increased ignition timing, reduced intake restriction and reduced turbo outlet temperatures, we were successfully able to design an intake system that overall outperforms the stock intake in every single way while reducing the stress placed on the motor.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ECS Tuning-Audi View Post
    I'd like to comment that though everyone seems to believe that the factory intake is efficient we've found through our testing that it is actually a bit of a restriction. Below is a post in our intake thread from our lead engineer on the project.

    "When we took on this project we took it on as a whole and to try to develop the best intake that we could via scientific testing instead of just throwing parts together. We wish the car made more “power” but this ECU logic is set up in such way that an intake simply will not make power, so we went for a intake that is more efficient and functions in every other way other then simply making power.

    This vehicle has some ECU logic that you simply cant get around unless the vehicle has a tune specific for an intake. My observation shows that the ECU is heavily torque governed, so when the ECU wants a certain power output and will do everything it can to hit that number. What our intake does is allow the car to hit that requested torque number easier with less stress on the engine and ancillary systems like the turbo and intercooler. What you get with our intake is a more efficient design, simple as that. The car does not have to work as hard to produce the same power output, and that is seen in the turbo outlet temperatures, turbo inlet pressure, and the ECU knock readings. The stock ECU was pulling as much as 3 degrees of timing and running higher boost (0.3-0.8PSI) more to hit the same power output as we did with our intake under the same conditions.

    You can then tie all this information into efficiency maps of a turbocharger and see that now the turbo is working more efficiently as it does not have to struggle to suck air through a “straw” and is able to easier hit its boost target at a lower outlet temperature which will now put less stress on your intercooler and the rest of the cooling system. This is what our intake offers over stock, not power (as the ECU doesn’t like to play along) but a happier motor that is less stressed. When running numbers we were able to run at a peak pressure ratio of 2.48 when compared to the stock intake at 2.56. It doesn’t sound like much, but when you look at a compressor map for a K03 it makes a difference!"


    Below are graphs showing how restrictive the factory intake is compared to ours an how much ours drops turbo outlet temps.

    Turbo Inlet Restriction



    Turbo Outlet Temperature



    In summary we were able to reduce turbo outlet temperatures by as much as 34°F at wide open throttle, and increase intake flow by 160% when compared to stock. This resulted in pulling equal amounts of power at lower boost levels and a more consistent running engine. Our testing showed that the stock intake was so restrictive that the ECU was pulling ignition timing and increasing boost to make up for the intakes inherently restrictive design. By carefully designing the intake, we were able to ensure that the ECU was not pulling ignition timing and producing power at lower boost levels. With the combination of increased ignition timing, reduced intake restriction and reduced turbo outlet temperatures, we were successfully able to design an intake system that overall outperforms the stock intake in every single way while reducing the stress placed on the motor.

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    Since installing this intake i noticed a difference right away with response and the car feels a lot less stressed when accelerating. Yes I have experience with aftermarket intakes for the B8. I've done the AFE drop in, APR,Volant,ECS CF. ECS CF is by far the best intake IMHO.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ECS Tuning-Audi View Post
    I'd like to comment that though everyone seems to believe that the factory intake is efficient we've found through our testing that it is actually a bit of a restriction. Below is a post in our intake thread from our lead engineer on the project.

    "When we took on this project we took it on as a whole and to try to develop the best intake that we could via scientific testing instead of just throwing parts together. We wish the car made more “power” but this ECU logic is set up in such way that an intake simply will not make power, so we went for a intake that is more efficient and functions in every other way other then simply making power.

    This vehicle has some ECU logic that you simply cant get around unless the vehicle has a tune specific for an intake. My observation shows that the ECU is heavily torque governed, so when the ECU wants a certain power output and will do everything it can to hit that number. What our intake does is allow the car to hit that requested torque number easier with less stress on the engine and ancillary systems like the turbo and intercooler. What you get with our intake is a more efficient design, simple as that. The car does not have to work as hard to produce the same power output, and that is seen in the turbo outlet temperatures, turbo inlet pressure, and the ECU knock readings. The stock ECU was pulling as much as 3 degrees of timing and running higher boost (0.3-0.8PSI) more to hit the same power output as we did with our intake under the same conditions.

    You can then tie all this information into efficiency maps of a turbocharger and see that now the turbo is working more efficiently as it does not have to struggle to suck air through a “straw” and is able to easier hit its boost target at a lower outlet temperature which will now put less stress on your intercooler and the rest of the cooling system. This is what our intake offers over stock, not power (as the ECU doesn’t like to play along) but a happier motor that is less stressed. When running numbers we were able to run at a peak pressure ratio of 2.48 when compared to the stock intake at 2.56. It doesn’t sound like much, but when you look at a compressor map for a K03 it makes a difference!"


    Below are graphs showing how restrictive the factory intake is compared to ours an how much ours drops turbo outlet temps.

    Turbo Inlet Restriction



    Turbo Outlet Temperature



    In summary we were able to reduce turbo outlet temperatures by as much as 34°F at wide open throttle, and increase intake flow by 160% when compared to stock. This resulted in pulling equal amounts of power at lower boost levels and a more consistent running engine. Our testing showed that the stock intake was so restrictive that the ECU was pulling ignition timing and increasing boost to make up for the intakes inherently restrictive design. By carefully designing the intake, we were able to ensure that the ECU was not pulling ignition timing and producing power at lower boost levels. With the combination of increased ignition timing, reduced intake restriction and reduced turbo outlet temperatures, we were successfully able to design an intake system that overall outperforms the stock intake in every single way while reducing the stress placed on the motor.

    Jason
    Compared to a stock B8 air box with a stock B8 air filter and a stock B8 turbo inlet pipe, sure. But swap out your $500 intake for a $50 AFE high flow air filter and those charts you posted would look nearly identical. The restriction isn't in the box itself, but in the filter.
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