C5 A6 4.2 6 speed swap begins!

[nativefx]

Well we're finally getting ready to begin having the 6 speed swap on our 2000 A6 4.2! Everyone's input on here made the decision to get the 6MT swap done rather than rebuilding the TIP pretty easy. Although this wasn't very difficult to persuade me, but I wasn't so sure about my GF. In fact she was just as excited about going with the 6MT!

Doing some research on this forum and all the help from the members and forum sponsors on here, we decided we wanted to hopefully alleviate any future problems with the trans on this car. So we decided to source a rebuilt trans and kit from Scott @ Advanced Automotion who has been great to work with and answered A LOT of questions regarding this decision. I really appreciate all his help and other members on here who offered assistance as well.

Scott said the kit should be ready to ship soon, so I'll have to see about getting pictures and such of the swap as it goes along. I'm having a local VW/Audi Indy shop do the conversion and they're a great group of guys that are just as excited about this as we are!

[v8a6]

Well we're finally getting ready to begin having the 6 speed swap on our 2000 A6 4.2! Everyone's input on here made the decision to get the 6MT swap done rather than rebuilding the TIP pretty easy. Although this wasn't very difficult to persuade me, but I wasn't so sure about my GF. In fact she was just as excited about going with the 6MT!

Doing some research on this forum and all the help from the members and forum sponsors on here, we decided we wanted to hopefully alleviate any future problems with the trans on this car. So we decided to source a rebuilt trans and kit from Scott @ Advanced Automotion who has been great to work with and answered A LOT of questions regarding this decision. I really appreciate all his help and other members on here who offered assistance as well.

Scott said the kit should be ready to ship soon, so I'll have to see about getting pictures and such of the swap as it goes along. I'm having a local VW/Audi Indy shop do the conversion and they're a great group of guys that are just as excited about this as we are!

Nice! I predict by the year 2022 that all surviving C5 4.2 based cars will have been swapped to 6 speeds and the tip transmissions will officially become extinct!

[Vinchenzo51]

Congrats! Can't wait to see how you like it once its all done.

A lot of us have made the swap ourselves, so any questions you or your shop have, one of us can definitely help you out.

Nice! I predict by the year 2022 that all surviving C5 4.2 based cars will have been swapped to 6 speeds and the tip transmissions will officially become extinct!

This would be a great thing indeed.

[nativefx]

Thanks vinchenzo. I'm sure there will be a few questions here and there as we go along and most people have been pretty helpful which makes this forum such a great place!

I agree that if the TIP's go extinct, they won't actually be missed!

Once we get this taken care of, I can re-visit some mods I've been wanting to continue on my other rides!

Congrats! Can't wait to see how you like it once its all done.

A lot of us have made the swap ourselves, so any questions you or your shop have, one of us can definitely help you out.



This would be a great thing indeed.

[jamestpc]

wtf???

fx and a tdi?


I dislike you now.

[napolean]

Hey,

If you need help reprogramming your ecu for the manual swap i can help out !

[v8a6]

Hey,

If you need help reprogramming your ecu for the manual swap i can help out !

Have you done a 2000 A6 4.2 6speed swap car before? Just asking because it is a me7.1 ECU, and different from all the later models which can more easily port the Euro S6 tune. The only people I know of who have worked out all the bugs with the 2000 ECU cars are JHM.

[xdewaynex]

Id love to get a 6spd for my 3.slow, but funds are low at the moment.

[nativefx]

I'd be interested if there is another option than JHM as well, as I wasn't aware someone else was able to reprogram for the 2000 4.2. Thanks!

Hey,

If you need help reprogramming your ecu for the manual swap i can help out !

Have you done a 2000 A6 4.2 6speed swap car before? Just asking because it is a me7.1 ECU, and different from all the later models which can more easily port the Euro S6 tune. The only people I know of who have worked out all the bugs with the 2000 ECU cars are JHM.

[nativefx]

Awwe come on..............can't we still be friends???? LOL

wtf???

fx and a tdi?


I dislike you now.

[NuGGet_PuFFer]

Congrats. I'm currently in the process of swapping a 2.7 w/ 6spd into a 4.2 for the widebody and rs6 goodness.

More pics of the tdi!!!

[nativefx]

Little delay in the shipping of the rebuilt tranny kit. In the meantime..............

Congrats. I'm currently in the process of swapping a 2.7 w/ 6spd into a 4.2 for the widebody and rs6 goodness.

More pics of the tdi!!!

Here's a side shot of the TDI and the silver wheels. i also added a photoshop'd version with the centers changed to "sun gold" as I'm debating on powdercoating the centers. What do you guys think???

Silver


Sun Gold centers



Oh, and I was smart enough to order the TDI already equipped properly!

[NuGGet_PuFFer]

Little delay in the shipping of the rebuilt tranny kit. In the meantime..............



Here's a side shot of the TDI and the silver wheels. i also added a photoshop'd version with the centers changed to "sun gold" as I'm debating on powdercoating the centers. What do you guys think???

Silver


Sun Gold centers

Gold. They both look great though. Nice car.

[stef2.7t]

Nice! I predict by the year 2022 that all surviving C5 4.2 based cars will have been swapped to 6 speeds and the tip transmissions will officially become extinct!

I think by the time my slushbox conks out, all the O1E's will be spoken for and I'll be SOL.

[GTA_S6]

I think by the time my slushbox conks out, all the O1E's will be spoken for and I'll be SOL.

Then don't wait. I had the opportunity to drive a6v8's car with the swap and I immediately started calling around for parts even though my TIP was perfectly fine. I had my S6 for just under 2 years and was so sick of the auto that I was going to sell it. The swap simply transforms the car and brings a smile to my face everytime. If you're ever in Toronto look me up and we'll go for a spin.

[stef2.7t]

Then don't wait. I had the opportunity to drive a6v8's car with the swap and I immediately started calling around for parts even though my TIP was perfectly fine. I had my S6 for just under 2 years and was so sick of the auto that I was going to sell it. The swap simply transforms the car and brings a smile to my face everytime. If you're ever in Toronto look me up and we'll go for a spin.

I visit the family every now and then...I just may take you up on that offer. Thank you good Sir!

[cbock]

Congrats on getting the swap ball rolling.

And, +1 on the Passat with either wheels. Looks great!

[nativefx]

Okay it looks like I should be getting the swap kit pretty soon from Scott @ Advanced Automotion! Hopefully once the shop receives everything we can start going through the parts and maybe get some pictures.

In the meantime, here's a pic Scott sent me of the rebuilt tranny on the test bench!


Can't wait to finally get started on this project and see the difference in the car once the 6 speed is in. I'll be MORE than happy to finally be rid of the TIP!!!

[v8a6]

I have never seen such a clean 01e :)

Now hurry up and get it in your car so you can launch the hell out of it!

[canadianA4B7]

Then don't wait. I had the opportunity to drive a6v8's car with the swap and I immediately started calling around for parts even though my TIP was perfectly fine. I had my S6 for just under 2 years and was so sick of the auto that I was going to sell it. The swap simply transforms the car and brings a smile to my face everytime. If you're ever in Toronto look me up and we'll go for a spin.

This x2 had the chance to take his for a cruise, and i dont think if a v8 a6 was available for FREE with an auto trans offered to me. i wud decline the offer. The torque of the hefty v8 through all gears and just the raw performance of a v8 just shud not be geared through a auto trans.

You will enjoy im sure. And i myself wud love to one day swap out my 2.7t for a 4.2 in my ar. One day

[Vinchenzo51]

I have never seen such a clean 01e :)

Now hurry up and get it in your car so you can launch the hell out of it!

Agree with everything in this statement.

[nativefx]

Okay so after a longer delay than I anticipated, the swap kit is in route! It was picked up last Friday and I'm hoping it will arrive at the shop tomorrow. Of course with the Memorial Day weekend they won't start going through everything until later next week. Hopefully I can get some pictures once it arrives and then we can work out a plan for beginning this swap!!!

[DJPardy]

I think by the time my slushbox conks out, all the O1E's will be spoken for and I'll be SOL.

SAME... :(

[julex]

SAME... :(

Eventually all the surviving c5/b5s will be 6 speed and the rest, due to unavailability of trannies, just junked.

[nativefx]

Okay the day to begin this swap is FINALLY HERE!!!


Dropped it off at the shop this morning.



We had received the kit, but where waiting on a few smaller parts to arrive before pulling the TIP.




I'm hoping I can get out of work early enough to get down to the shop later today and take some more pictures in the different stages. Hopefully once I get this damn TIP out and replaced with the 6 speed, we won't have any more issues with the f*%#@!*& transmission that has been a nightmare with this car! As it's a 2000 4.2, I need to have them pull the ECU out and send to JHM to get the proper flash done and from what I hear will also make a decent increase on the performance side as well.

[dcgh]

Eventually all the surviving c5/b5s will be 6 speed and the rest, due to unavailability of trannies, just junked.

Loads of Trannies in Europe that could be shipped...no need to panic yet...at least that's what I'm telling myself

[nativefx]

By the way, can anyone tell me the manual tranny fluid type that should be used and what is everyone who has done this swap on an A6 using as their service interval on the tranny fluid? Or can tell me the tranny ID number so I can look it up?

thanks

[Yar_1]

How much will this cost? If you don't mind me asking...

[Scotty@Advanced]

By the way, can anyone tell me the manual tranny fluid type that should be used and what is everyone who has done this swap on an A6 using as their service interval on the tranny fluid? Or can tell me the tranny ID number so I can look it up?

thanks

3 liters. Titan fuchs sinto fluid, factory fill or motul gear 300

[nativefx]

3 liters. Titan fuchs sinto fluid, factory fill or motul gear 300

Thanks Scott! What do you recommend for the fluid change intervals and should it be just a drain and fill or complete flush?

[audi5inline]

Are you using a double mass flywheel ?

[nativefx]

How much will this cost? If you don't mind me asking...

It kind of depends on the route you take - rebuilt or used. The information i got when i started looking into this was to contact either of these two guys, who are also on the board.

Scotty at www.Advancedautomotion.com & Bryan at www.audis4parts.com

Spoke to both of them and they were both very helpful. Due to the issues I've had with this car and the previous owner having the TIP "rebuilt" by a company that probably had no business working on it, I didn't want to take any more chances than needed so I chose to go with a rebuilt tranny from Advanced Automotion. Nothing against Bryan @ Audis4parts as he was also very helpful, just a personal choice. He has a lot of options about what he can supply, so I'd send him a PM to get a better idea, but the rebuilts start at about $2,900. If you want a used one, Audis4parts has the swap kit listed on their website (I don't remember). If you live close to either of these places you can also get a pretty good deal on the install. Since I live in Oregon, I considered shipping down to Scott but overall cost was going to be higher and I'm pretty confident in the shop here that only works on VW/Audi's.

Because mine is a 2000 A6, getting the right flash for the ECU isn't as easy as the 2001+ (which can use the Euro flash) and so I have only been able to determine that a flash from JHM is my only option, but of course comes with a price.

[Scotty@Advanced]

Thanks Scott! What do you recommend for the fluid change intervals and should it be just a drain and fill or complete flush?

Change at 1500 miles then every 25K for racing use or 50K for street use

[nativefx]

Are you using a double mass flywheel ?

I'm using a B5 RS4 clutch and flywheel, which I believe is the dual mass flywheel.

[redneck truck]

Yikes, I'm about due for a fluid change. I can qualify all the miles I've put on my car as racing use, can't I?

How's the rest of the swap coming? I'm excited to see the finished product.

As for the ECU flash, why on earth aren't you just swapping to an ME7.1.1 ECU and harness? Methinks the headaches you'll encounter with tuning (contrary to what ANY vendor or tuner will tell you) will far outweigh the slight inconvenience and cost of swapping to the new version. Then, the coding is essentially free, and you get a free tune and more horsepower when you swap top end parts.

[nativefx]

Yikes, I'm about due for a fluid change. I can qualify all the miles I've put on my car as racing use, can't I?

How's the rest of the swap coming? I'm excited to see the finished product.

As for the ECU flash, why on earth aren't you just swapping to an ME7.1.1 ECU and harness? Methinks the headaches you'll encounter with tuning (contrary to what ANY vendor or tuner will tell you) will far outweigh the slight inconvenience and cost of swapping to the new version. Then, the coding is essentially free, and you get a free tune and more horsepower when you swap top end parts.

hi redneck truck, to be honest i wasnt aware that swapping to the ME7.1.1 ECU was an option?!?! I'd agree that may make more sense in the long run as the only one im aware that can tune the ME7.1 ECU is JHMotorsports, and even talking with them they say they can't guarantee everything will work properly.

How difficult would it be to swap to the ME7.1.1 ECU amd harness? My shop was pulling the TIP out yesterdayand replacing with the 6MT. he was planning on being done by middle of next week, as long as we didnt run into any issues. If its something they could handleto convert, I'd definately be interested! If you have any info i could share with them to consider that would be great.

[redneck truck]

Talk to scotty@advanced. I won't speak for him but id be surprised if he didn't have a harness and ECU sitting. You'll need to make sure the wiring at the pass through is the same. It's worth it.

[ddillenger]

Keep in mind the 01 ECU (ME7.1.1) although better, relies heavily on can-bus communication. So some recoding may be necessary in associated modules.

I've done a few 6 speed a6 conversion files, LMK if you have any questions

[JA6X]

hi redneck truck, to be honest i wasnt aware that swapping to the ME7.1.1 ECU was an option?!?! I'd agree that may make more sense in the long run as the only one im aware that can tune the ME7.1 ECU is JHMotorsports, and even talking with them they say they can't guarantee everything will work properly.

What are you concerned with won't work with the JHM flash? I'm currently running their flash for a 2000 4.2, same color as yours, and would be glad to let you know if what you're looking for works, should you not update the ECU. They'll probably use the same flash, as mine was the first one developed for the 2000. You're gonna love the car once it's done.

One caveat, I'm not sure how the smog check is in Oregon, is it as bad as California? But make sure you also get the "smog" flash (daughter board) that you can replace in the ECU when it's smog time. I've got Keaton working on mine right now as I have to smog in 2 months.

Joe

[redneck truck]

Yikes! That sounds complicated. Emissions legal here in spite of cats and SAI. Talk to Ddillenger - pretty sure it's a modified version of the OEM (read: better) file I got for free. And the best part is, I flashed it myself without even popping the hood.

Now, I'm not modified - I'm stuck at 275WHP while JHM makes like 800WHP out of their v8s. A factory tune may not be for you, but for me, given the option of spending $400 on ECU and harness or spending 400 on a JHM tune that's in the works, I think the choice is clear.

Plus, you get to sell your stock ECU and harness or keep them as spares!