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    Facelift Shift Knob Installation - Alternate Method to Heat and Twist

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    For those of you who want to install a FL shift knob (front facing shift button) on your non-FL (side facing shift button), I hope this post helps you.

    In order to do this, the original shift pin needs to be modified to have the slot facing forward. The predominate method used by people was "heat and twist". Using a heat gun the plastic shift pin was heated up slowly and twisted 90 degrees so that the slot would be facing forward. Many folks have had success with this approach while others like me had varying degrees of success. From my experience (or lack of), using a heat gun presented a few issues and risks:

    - deforming the shift pin or slot
    - difficult to keep the shift pin straight
    - burning the plastic shift pin to the point of weakening the part (this is what happened to me, the top portion of the shift pin actually broke off)
    - the slot needed to be sanded to widen it bit vertically and horizontally

    The method I used involved cutting the top portion of the shift pin off, then re-installing using a set screw. To me this method eliminated the risks I listed above. To me, it is easier and removes alot of the variables in terms of position of the slot. I cannot take 100% credit for this as there have been other members who have done this method before me. Like me they did it only after destroying their shift pin using the heat and twist method. I think you can save yourself some time and the hassle of having to make another shift pin like I did if you use this method.

    Regardless of the method you use to do this mod, I have found there are a few critical things to consider when doing this in order to ensure success:

    - the slot needs to be made "taller" by at least 2mm so file down the bottom of the slot
    - the slot needs to be angled slightly to the left instead of exactly facing forward. If you look down directly at the shift pin you will see a metal sleeve in which the pin slides up and down in. On the sleeve are two notches/slots, one directly in front of the climate controls and one opposite. You can see that these notches/slots align themselves slightly angled left. I believe these notches are used as guides for the shift knob when it is installed so it makes sense to align the shift pin slot to these.

    So here are the steps:

    Tools - you will need a small hacksaw, a 1.0 and 1.5mm drill bit, M2x10mm set screw, M2x0,4 hand tap, a Dremel or some other small handheld drill you can easily control, small needles files or sand paper. Everything can be purchased from ebay. Aside from the Dremel all of these parts will cost less than $20.

    Time: 1 hr

    Step 1: Use your hacksaw to cut the shift pin right at the top of the metal shifter sleeve. I rested the blade right on top of the metal sleeve so that it acted as a guide to ensure a level cut. The plastic is very soft so this should not take more than 1-2 mins

    Step 2: Use a file to smooth down the newly cut surface. Again, use the top part of the metal shifter sleeve as a guide to level the plastic surface.

    Step 3: Drill and tap the top slotted portion. Try your best to drill on center and be as straight as possible. Since you are only drilling down a short distance, even if you are a little bit off from perfectly vertical the impact wont be that pronounced. Start with the 1.0mm drill bit then move to the 1.5mm. Drill into the rod about 6mm. Slowly tap the hole with your M2x0.4 bottom hand tap. I first used a tapered tap to start the threads then moved on to the bottom tap.

    Step 4: Repeat Step 4 for the remaining bottom portion of the shift pin.

    Step 5: Screw in the M2x10 set screw about half way down into the shift pin.

    Step 6: Screw the slotted top portion of the shift pin onto the set screw.

    Step 7: Fine tune the position of the slot by adjusting how much the set screw is screwed into the shift pin. For example if you find you need the slot to rotate more to the right, back out the set screw from the bottom portion of the shift pin then reattach the top portion. The slot should be angled slightly left.

    Step 8: File down the bottom of the slot by at least 2mm. The total slot "height" should be 12mm.

    Step 9: Apply some lithium grease to the slot and shift pin.

    Step 10: Install the new shift knob. Make sure you push it all the way down until the bottom of the plastic lock ring inside the boot is at the second notch in the metal sleeve.

    Step 11: At this point you should be able to easily press in the shift knob button and it should release smoothly.

    Step 12: Remove the shift knob then either apply some Loctite to the set screw or use some sort of epoxy between the two shift pin pieces. I dont think this step is necessary because the shift knob pin will keep the shift pin from rotating free but its a good precautionary step. I ended up using some Gorilla glue between the pieces because I didnt have the right Loctite. Reinstall the shift knob and tighten the collar around the metal shaft.

    Step 13: At this point you should have successfully completed this mod. Pat yourself on the back and go drive your car! Good luck!

    If these steps make anyone queasy, I suggest purchasing 1/4" nylon 6/6 or abs rods (should cost much less than $1 for a 12" piece) and practicing the drilling and tapping. Hopefully this will give you the confidence. This really is a very straightforward project.


    Here is a pic of the shift pin with the set screw in it.



    Here is pic with the slotted portion screwed on (I had to actually make another slotted top portion because I ruined the original piece using the heat and twist method):



    Here is a pic of knob installed:
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    Looks great awesome write up!

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    Looks like you need to update your sig now. You can finally remove "soon: shift knob" and it to the mod list!

    I wonder if this can be made in to a sticky so in the future people can easily find these instructions.

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    Very nice job on the how-to! Where do we get the FL knob?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Storm33 View Post
    Very nice job on the how-to! Where do we get the FL knob?
    Look up Alex at Europrice.
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    Very impressive. Good work!
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    Fantastic write-up bud!
    A much, much simpler way of swapping knobs.

    Lets see the final product!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Wah View Post
    Fantastic write-up bud!
    A much, much simpler way of swapping knobs.

    Lets see the final product!
    Absolutely! Check out my build thread for pics!
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    Good write up and a very good design!
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    Quote Originally Posted by tboooe View Post
    Look up Alex at Europrice.
    Thank you for the reply; I'm new to the S5 community and couldn't find info on the group buy.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Storm33 View Post
    Thank you for the reply; I'm new to the S5 community and couldn't find info on the group buy.
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    Awesome; thanks! Ordered.
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    Thanks so much for the info. I am still nervous about cutting the original part. If I mess up on the cutting or the tapping, I would need a new slotted part like yours. Also would you still be able to put the original knob back and drive until you replace the top slotted part?

    Thanks again.

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    Quote Originally Posted by V8Powered View Post
    Thanks so much for the info. I am still nervous about cutting the original part. If I mess up on the cutting or the tapping, I would need a new slotted part like yours. Also would you still be able to put the original knob back and drive until you replace the top slotted part?

    Thanks again.
    Until tboooe answers I'd suggest, if you're really nervous, trying the heat and twist method first and if you screw it up you can fall back on the cut and tap method. If you do the heat and twist please read all of the recommendations on this thread. You're probably going to be nervous with either method so take a breath and above all take your time.
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    Re: Shift Knob Installation - Alternate Method to Heat and Twist

    Quote Originally Posted by V8Powered View Post
    Thanks so much for the info. I am still nervous about cutting the original part. If I mess up on the cutting or the tapping, I would need a new slotted part like yours. Also would you still be able to put the original knob back and drive until you replace the top slotted part?

    Thanks again.
    I will be honest, with this method if you screw up it will be very hard to continue using your car because you will cutting right at the metal sleeve. With the heat and twist method even if you mess up you could still pull the shift pin up by hand and shift gears. I did this for 2 weeks while I sorted out the new slotted part. I suggest buying some 1/4" nylon rod, it will cost less than $1, and practicing cutting, drilling, and tapping on that until you are comfortable.



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    Re: Shift Knob Installation - Alternate Method to Heat and Twist

    Quote Originally Posted by Mops View Post
    Up at 6:30am on Sunday?
    What can I say my friend? The OCD mind never rests. Must admit going to bed at 1 drunk isn't making this morning any easier.

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    URGENT: Please please please re-read my original post. I realized I made a mistake. When drilling out the parts before you tap, use 1.0mm then a 1.5mm drill bit. I had mistakenly written 1.5mm then 2.0mm. If course this does not make sense because you want to tap to 2x0.4mm .

    So once again, do NOT use 1.5mm then 2.0mm drill bit. Use 1.0mm then 1.5mm.

    I am VERY sorry for the confusion.
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    Quote Originally Posted by tboooe View Post
    URGENT: Please please please re-read my original post. I realized I made a mistake. When drilling out the parts before you tap, use 1.0mm then a 1.5mm drill bit. I had mistakenly written 1.5mm then 2.0mm. If course this does not make sense because you want to tap to 2x0.4mm .

    So once again, do NOT use 1.5mm then 2.0mm drill bit. Use 1.0mm then 1.5mm.

    I am VERY sorry for the confusion.
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    Quote Originally Posted by tboooe View Post
    What can I say my friend? The OCD mind never rests. Must admit going to bed at 1 drunk isn't making this morning any easier.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tboooe View Post
    Look up Alex at Europrice.
    So, I have seen a lot of these knobs but this is the only posting that has the actuall S5 logo on the top of the knob instead for S Tronic. Is there a different part number or only a certain place that I have to look?
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    Quote Originally Posted by paulgifford View Post
    So, I have seen a lot of these knobs but this is the only posting that has the actuall S5 logo on the top of the knob instead for S Tronic. Is there a different part number or only a certain place that I have to look?
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    Quote Originally Posted by S5Q7 View Post
    If you're going to order w/ Alex@Europrice, just tell him is S5 one.
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    I did this mod today with Tommy's kit; worked like a charm!

    My only caution is to make sure you have everything set to go before you cut the shift pin off. I was dumb and cut it before I checked everything out, only to discover my Dremel (and my drill) would not tighten down small enough to use the tiny drill bits necessary to tap the hole for the set screw!

    I was able to pull something together and get it done, but I was sweating for a minute there...

    Once I had my end of things squared away, Tommy's kit worked great. I'll be shipping it back to him on Monday if anyone else wants to do this mod.

    Huge kudos are due to him for making it relatively easy to do.

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    MAKE SURE you file down any burrs or glue(if you used it) around the shift rod! If you don't you the knob button will not go back after pressing. Sand and file the outside of the rod. Make sure u pull up the rod a little and sand around there too. When you pull the rod up and down it should not catch on the metal. If it does this will explain why you can't get the button to spring back. I hope this helped. I spent 4 hours in my car until I figured it out.

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    thanks for the info

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    Is there no way to just purchase a shift assembly and swap it? I appreciate the ingenuity and creative but would love to keep things stock if possible. I know it would be expensive but what isn't these days? Can anyone advise if swapping the gear assembly is an option and if so what the part numbers are?

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    Yes you can buy the post facelift shift assemble, but will cost you around $800.00, in my case I would save that money for something else
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    I think the part is 8K1713105J for the newer assembly and it looks identical but with the shifter keyhole in the right direction. I am waiting for a call back to see if the the transmission needs to be dropped to do this. If so that option is DOA.

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