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    Hotchkis sway bar review and DIY

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    For those that are looking into tightening up the handling on your cars, a set of sway bars can either be a solid starting point or the icing on the cake. I'd like to be the first to admit that the order of mods on my car is a little backwards as this should have been one of the first things I did. When I began tracking my B8, it did fairly well in stock form but suffered from a lot of body roll which would produce a ton of understeer. As most of us know, the understeer isn't just found on a racetrack. We've felt it anytime the car is pushed into a turn. To combat this, I started looking into different companies for some sway bars and having used Hotchkis products before on other cars that I've owned they seemed like a solid choice for me.

    The performance difference between the stock bars and Hotchkis is huge. After my install, I took my car for a test drive to see how it felt. My Audi is my daily driver so I didn't want to have my cars ride feel solid as a rock like driving around a cement mixer. I didn't notice any real difference as far as comfort goes which was one of my biggest concerns. I took my car down a few bumpy roads and didn't notice any bounce or jarring on uneven surfaces, even with the front on the stiffest setting. Performance wise, the biggest gains I noticed was on sharper, lower speed corners (think quick U turn or a hairpin). The car feels much more stable and planted, especially on initial turn in. Just turn the wheel and the car goes there. I had the opportunity to take my car out to Laguna Seca following the installation and the gains were very noticeable, especially in the tighter and slower speed sections such as turn 11 or the corkscrew. As soon as I receive some pictures, I'll post them for you to see. Until then, heres a video http://www.audizine.com/forum/showth...19#post7127919.

    This set up is probably one of the most inexpensive mods with the biggest amount of gains. Although the instructions that Hotchkis provided were very easy to follow, I'll include a DIY for this and include 1 or 2 items that mights help you out.

    Tools I used: 13mm socket, 2x 16mm socket, philips head screw driver, 55-Torx, pry bar, floor jack, ramps, WD40


    Clean, simple, and stealthy. The front is 32mm diameter and the rear is 25.5mm.


    Hotchkis recommends installation on flat ground. My car is too low to use ramps so I had to jack my car up to put the ramps underneath. From there you'll need a philips head screwdriver to remove the plastic splash shield.


    With the splash shield gone, you can see the stock sway bar and the areas where its bolts in the chassis. Removing the stock sway bar and installing the new one here was pretty straight forward. The 16mm bolts on the edges are a little tight but came off easily. Last, I removed the 13mm bolts and the stock unit came right off. Time to put the beefy 32mm Hotchkis bar on!

    You'll need to lube the urethane bushings (lube is provided) and place them on the ARB. From there, your ready to install the Hotchkis unit. There are two settings on the front bar. The first bolt hole is 45% stiffer than stock, the 2nd is 75% stiffer. I went with the stiffest setting which is the 2nd bolt hole on the end. With the ends bolted on, I attached the new aluminum mounts.


    The backing plate goes over the stock mount and the new greasable bracket goes over it. From here, make sure your flat washers are set up per the provided directions.


    It should look something like this when everything is together. Installing the front was much easier than expected and only took 30-45 minutes

    Moving onto the rear...


    Taking a look at everything before hand, I could tell there is no way the bar was coming out with my dual exhaust in the way. I got a floor jack and gently supported the exhaust and removed the 13mm nuts holding up the mufflers. I then got some WD40 to lube the rubber hanger underneath and it popped right off. From there, I slowly lowered the exhaust to a point that it was out of the way.


    Removing the stock bar and installing the new one was a little more difficult due to the tight fit here. As you can see, there are 16mm bolts and triple square bolts. With the 16mm bolts removed, I also loosened the 16mm bolt on the ARB mount to loosen it up. I've seen a few other DIY's that remove them, but I found that not to be necessary. I found the triple square bolts came off with a 55 Torx without any issue. With all the bolts removed, I used a pry bar on the upper control arm to gently create some space to wiggle the stock ARB out. *use care doing this... if you bend your control arm your in some deep trouble!*


    Installing the new bar in the rear was probably the most difficult part of this process but I got it to work. Getting the bar to slide into place was a little challenging. I used the pry bar again to create some space to slide the new bar into place. From there, I bolted the 16mm bolts on the end and installed the new aluminum bracket which bolted on very similar to the front. With my new sway bars installed, I bolted the exhaust back on.

    The entire install took me around an hour and a half which wasn't bad at all.
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    Awesome write up!! Awesome vids too btw

    I've been on the fence about sways but this really helped me make up my mind. So would you recommend getting the front and rear?

    I've been thinking about just the rear with the alu Kreuz ?
    Bryan

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    Hotchkis will not sell the bars independently. I think the that to get the most out of any ARB install one MUST also add the alu kreuz. The added frame rigidity is like night and day. I drove my car for two weeks while waiting for the alu from EuroCode, because I did the group buy. If I had to do it again I would have waited and done both installs at the same time. I have no added noises, creeks or clunks form doing the install of either item. The car handles incredibly well now. I let my friend, who has a s4 with stock suspension drive it, and he couldn't believe how much better my car handled than his. He is a no mod kind of guy though.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Speycaster View Post
    Hotchkis will not sell the bars independently. I think the that to get the most out of any ARB install one MUST also add the alu kreuz. The added frame rigidity is like night and day. I drove my car for two weeks while waiting for the alu from EuroCode, because I did the group buy. If I had to do it again I would have waited and done both installs at the same time. I have no added noises, creeks or clunks form doing the install of either item. The car handles incredibly well now. I let my friend, who has a s4 with stock suspension drive it, and he couldn't believe how much better my car handled than his. He is a no mod kind of guy though.
    Steve,

    Thanks in no small part to you, I am currently sitting waiting at JH Motorsports for my sways and Alu kreutz to get installed.....

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    Hay Jed, no prob. Glad I could help. You are going to just LOVE your drive home!
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    Thanks for the DIY - gonna get around to this after I get the EC Sway Bar links.

    Edit: Nick, does the kit come with new links or do they just bolt to the stock links?
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    The Hotchkis does not come with any endlinks, the stock units are left intact.

    Does anyone have torque specs on the endlinks and bracket mount for front and rear? I know we're suppose to use some loctite and tighten it down but I want to make sure its torqued to spec.
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    Quote Originally Posted by simplicity View Post
    The Hotchkis does not come with any endlinks, the stock units are left intact.

    Does anyone have torque specs on the endlinks and bracket mount for front and rear? I know we're suppose to use some loctite and tighten it down but I want to make sure its torqued to spec.
    this is what i could find. they're torque specs for b7-a4. hopefully it's not too far off.

    http://www.audizine.com/forum/showth...ilover-install.

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    Thanks benny, I may go off those numbers if I can't find anything on the b8s between now and the weekend.
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    What's the weight difference between stock and the Hotchkis?
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    All:

    This was the best handling mod I've made--and other than the chip, the best mod I've made so far.

    Simply transforms the car. It drives like it should--firmly planted and a great handling car.

    I am very pleased.

    I hate to say this, but the car now handles like my BMW used to.

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    To answer a few questions, I don't believe the bars can be sold separately, only as a kit. Why not go for the frame brace and the sway bars though? :) It didn't come with any different end links, it bolts right up to the stock location.

    The instructions didn't come with torque specs or weight. Having compared them, I would say that overall they might be a couple pounds heavier but I don't have exact weights for you. The bars are larger and thicker so 1-2lbs isn't going to make any difference, especially when you can carry more speed into the turns :)
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    Nice. I'm getting excited. Jed - did you DIY or take it to a shop? Did you have the OEM Sport package?
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    I had them installed by JH Motorsports....And I had the oem sport pkg.

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    great diy! i just installed mine 2 days ago.

    but i ran into a problem with the t55 torx. the t55 was actually too big. i'm not sure if they changed the size of the screw or what but i have a 2011. i tried the t50 and it fit but wasn't snug and i almost ended up stripping the screw. i was just about to give up but i tried again but this time with a hex bit. i don't recall the size but i will find out. well anyway the hex bit worked and it was a snug fit.
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    I had to use the T50 as well which worked fine, just had to be careful as it only bites 6 out of the 12 sides of a triplesquare bit.

    Have you had a chance to take it out on a spin? What are your impressions on the upgrade? Do you have any other suspension upgrades?
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    Quote Originally Posted by simplicity View Post
    I had to use the T50 as well which worked fine, just had to be careful as it only bites 6 out of the 12 sides of a triplesquare bit.

    Have you had a chance to take it out on a spin? What are your impressions on the upgrade? Do you have any other suspension upgrades?
    yeah i didn't want to risk it lol.

    yup i took it out for a spin and drove it around round abouts and corners. the body roll was kept to a minimum and it felt more planted around bends. turn in was nice too. i tried this on stock non s-line suspension. the front sway bar was adjusted to the outside hole. i also have the alu kreuz.

    i just installed kw v2 coilovers today but i haven't thrown it around any corners yet. i am waiting for them to settle first. but overall i would say the sway bars is a must have.
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    DAMN IT, its threads like these that ruin me, now I can't decide between a swaybar/alu kruez setup or an ECU tune (not enough funds for both atm :[).

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    Quote Originally Posted by oc cc View Post
    DAMN IT, its threads like these that ruin me, now I can't decide between a swaybar/alu kruez setup or an ECU tune (not enough funds for both atm :[).
    Sways/AK - ECU tune isn't on sale ATM, so you have time to save up for the next time it is.
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    For whatever it is worth, Hotchkis tells customers to reuse the factory bolts (a big no-no if you follow the factory repair manual) and does not provide torque specs.

    The OEM bolts are designed to only be used once and once only. They are torqued down and then there is an additional 90 degree stretch added to them.

    We provide all new OEM hardware with our USS stabilizer bar set. We also will sell the rear bar separately (we reccommend using the bars as a pair however as they were designed as a complete upgrade).


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    Quote Originally Posted by oc cc View Post
    DAMN IT, its threads like these that ruin me, now I can't decide between a swaybar/alu kruez setup or an ECU tune (not enough funds for both atm :[).
    Come on by and we will take care of you.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Info@EuroCode View Post
    For whatever it is worth, Hotchkis tells customers to reuse the factory bolts (a big no-no if you follow the factory repair manual) and does not provide torque specs.

    The OEM bolts are designed to only be used once and once only. They are torqued down and then there is an additional 90 degree stretch added to them.

    We provide all new OEM hardware with our USS stabilizer bar set. We also will sell the rear bar separately (we reccommend using the bars as a pair however as they were designed as a complete upgrade).
    No disrespect, but I don't see Hotchkis posting on your customers threads trying to bash your product and sell there's. Please show some professionalism by not bashing my positive customer service experience with they're product. Uncool...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Info@EuroCode View Post
    Come on by and we will take care of you.
    Again, nice thread jack. Classy move
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    Quote Originally Posted by NickZag View Post
    Again, nice thread jack. Classy move
    Customer mentioned our product. The bolts was a PSA for the good of the community and for your safety. In addition to the factory bolts not being able to be reused, the vehicle is supposed to be on ramps or a drive on lift during the installation (according to the factory repair manual). We truly care about this community and are here for everyone.

    BTW I love the photo in your avatar, car looks great on the track. I'm from Roseville too.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Info@EuroCode View Post
    For whatever it is worth, Hotchkis tells customers to reuse the factory bolts (a big no-no if you follow the factory repair manual) and does not provide torque specs.

    The OEM bolts are designed to only be used once and once only. They are torqued down and then there is an additional 90 degree stretch added to them.
    I was not aware of that. I need to order some OEM hardware in order to install my sways.
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    Can't wait to finally install mine!! When was the group buy for the brace from euro code ?!
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    Did anybody have any knocking sounds coming from the sway bars after they did the install? I have only heard them in the front and its a little bit more then I anticipated. I only hear them when the tires are semi uneven elevation, like one tire is higher then the other due to a bump or normal driving conditions w/ hills on turns. It happens at all speeds. The car doesn't have any other issues as I've tested them out at moderate speeds on some fairly hard turns. The only other thing I have done is installed new OEM sport springs and struts. I have had those on for about a month. No problems with them at all. This came directly after the sway bar installation.

    I have my sway bars on the stiffest setting. I understand that its a much stiffer suspension but I don't think these knocking sounds when I turn are "normal."
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    I had this issue. Turned out that I didn't torque the bolts tight enought. Once I did the knocking sound went away. I'm using the Eurocode sways however.
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    Eurocode USS sway bar +1

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    Nice review! We've installed dozens of these for local folks, theyre a great upgrade!

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    Can someone chime in on the differences between the Stasis sways (no longer available separate from their entire suspension setup), the Eurocode bars with their available adjustable end links and these Hotchkis bars? What are the differences in results? Also, some say just worry about upgrading the rear to reduce the understeer. The last thing I want is wheel skip or oversteer.
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    Quote Originally Posted by B G 8er View Post
    Can someone chime in on the differences between the Stasis sways (no longer available separate from their entire suspension setup), the Eurocode bars with their available adjustable end links and these Hotchkis bars? What are the differences in results? Also, some say just worry about upgrading the rear to reduce the understeer. The last thing I want is wheel skip or oversteer.
    IMO, on the B8 it's worthwhile to upgrade both together.
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    Quote Originally Posted by B G 8er View Post
    Can someone chime in on the differences between the Stasis sways (no longer available separate from their entire suspension setup), the Eurocode bars with their available adjustable end links and these Hotchkis bars? What are the differences in results? Also, some say just worry about upgrading the rear to reduce the understeer. The last thing I want is wheel skip or oversteer.
    The only sways I've uysed are the Hotchkis so I have no idea how the others function or work.
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    stasis: 23mm
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    Quote Originally Posted by B G 8er View Post
    Can someone chime in on the differences between the Stasis sways (no longer available separate from their entire suspension setup), the Eurocode bars with their available adjustable end links and these Hotchkis bars? What are the differences in results? Also, some say just worry about upgrading the rear to reduce the understeer. The last thing I want is wheel skip or oversteer.
    You're not getting many responses because it's likely that not many have driven on more than one setup. DetailersDomain is the only person that has driven 2 of the 3 setups, linky.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ets141 View Post
    Did anybody have any knocking sounds coming from the sway bars after they did the install? I have only heard them in the front and its a little bit more then I anticipated. I only hear them when the tires are semi uneven elevation, like one tire is higher then the other due to a bump or normal driving conditions w/ hills on turns. It happens at all speeds. The car doesn't have any other issues as I've tested them out at moderate speeds on some fairly hard turns. The only other thing I have done is installed new OEM sport springs and struts. I have had those on for about a month. No problems with them at all. This came directly after the sway bar installation.

    I have my sway bars on the stiffest setting. I understand that its a much stiffer suspension but I don't think these knocking sounds when I turn are "normal."
    I have noticed this as well. It is only when I am pulling up my driveway though. I went back an tightened all the bolts and it is still there. It doesn't sound traumatic, but it does sound like it is a gentle rub with the lower portion of the control arm potentially. I wounder if the EC endlinks could help adjust this issue with the hotchkis sways?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Frinkferta View Post
    I have noticed this as well. It is only when I am pulling up my driveway though. I went back an tightened all the bolts and it is still there. It doesn't sound traumatic, but it does sound like it is a gentle rub with the lower portion of the control arm potentially. I wounder if the EC endlinks could help adjust this issue with the hotchkis sways?
    I get the noises too, but only when pulling into my driveway. Not sure what it is but not to concerned. I have the EC end links front and rear and they don't get rid of the knocking noise. I also have the EC sways too
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    I have no knocking sounds on my hotchkis. Make sure you didn't install them upside down.
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    Lifted the car up on jack stands this morning to investigate the slight rubbing/knocking noise under the car when I go over random weird angles. It would appear when the bars are set at the stiff setting that they have hardly any clearance from the lower control arm. I noticed a minor contact mark on the end of the sway bars where they would be touching. The control arm appears flawless, so no worries. If I wanted to make the car less stiff @ 45% instead of 75% then I am sure this noise would go away.

    Anyhow, here are some pictures showing the clearance of the sway bar to lower control arm on both sides while the car is on jack stands.


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