Bische's Wagon - The thread

[Bische]

Modification list:

Exterior:

• USP front conversion
• Painted lowers
• Custom doorblades
• Blacked out window trim
• OEM Black front grills
• 19x8.5" et35 C6 RS6 reps
• 235/19/35 Falken452's
• 6000k lowbeam
• 6000k highbeam
• 6000k custom projector foglights
• Custom Coming home video
• Rear light rewiring
• Relocated city lights
• Rear wiper delete
• 35% tint rear windows
• 45% tint front windows

Chassis:

• Vogtland coilovers
• Meyle HD front end

Engine/drivertrain:

• HTA2868r Eliminator, ported
• Ported BEX manifold
• Ringer Racing 1000cc EV14 Single tips
• S8 4.2l 3.5" MAF
• Tuned by myself
• BSR 1.5bar Boost guage
• D1 Spec catch can, -10an lines
• Black anodized Evolution Racewerks Competition FMIC, custom piping 2.25"/2.5"
• Custom 3" downpipe with 100cel race catalyst
• Ferrita stainless resonated /w 3.5" tips
• Aluminum piston type DV
• ECS snub mount
• Stern soft motor mounts
• Stern transmission mount v2
• Apikol soft rear diff mount, billet version
• Clutchmasters FX400 6-puck
• Clutchmasters 240mm 19lb steel flywheel

Here is my plans for the car:

This being my first post as a four ringer im going to make it somewhat worthwhile, im going BT this winter and the plan is to have the car running in the spring. Im going to do it in stages to keep the downtime to a minimum.

The goals for my build are response, reliability and stealth. Im not going for max horsepower.

Specs i have in mind:
HTA2868r eliminator with a cleaned up BEX mani
B5/6 S4 MAF
ID1000's
Maestro 7
3" DP with a high flow cat
Treadstone TR8 intercooler with 2" hotside and 2.25" coldside
240mm FX400 6-puck and steel LWFW
Stern soft motor/trans + apikol soft rear diff mount

That will be the first stage, and im going to do the DP, IC and clutch while on stock turbo. When i get all that figured out/running as intended, i will swap in the turbo/injectors and load up Maestro 7. I will be running it like this for a while to enjoy the car and to save up the funds for the next stage. I know the elim housing will hold me back, but im not intending to max it out at this point, im going to run it with an unopened longblock.

Second stage will consist of:
10:1-ish CR 83mm pistons
IE rods
PSi t25 mani
Inline fuelpump and upgraded system
3bar MAP
E85

Building the block on the side, ill figure out what i want for CR when i get to that point. break the motor in on ron98, upgrade fueling then tune it for E85.

This is the first build i planned myself, i will run into problems for sure, but problems = learning. Im just hoping to avoid the most stupid ones
I have owned a BAT audi s4 -92(think theyre called 5000 in the USA), that one i wrenched at night to get me to work in the morning, good times...

Ill sum up my past with my wagon with some pics:

Just bought it 2009:


Summer 2010:









Summer 2011:







Summer 2012:

[Bische]

Latest project:

[michgo]

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[Jimminez]

Nice. The blades are a nice touch with them flattening towards the back.

[kneel]

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x2!

love the look of your Avant

[JEENYUS]

more details on the projector fogs please.

[Dolphin18T]

Any possibility of a DIY for the fog light projectors?

[Gmoney]

Did you paint the window molding black or replace it?

[evo_ski]

Pretty cool idea for the projector fogs. I had the same idea to mount those in the stock housings, but ended up getting Passat ones instead. Looks great your car is definitely an inspiration. Nice work!

Here is my projector fog thread. I will be updating it hopefully this week with some more pics of the light output.
http://www.audizine.com/forum/showth...ht-HID-upgrade

[bwoy1981]

Also looks like the Golf V projectors as well...

[a4darkness]

Oh hells yes. Subscribed.

And I too would like details about the projector fogs. However, it appears you've gone and done the smart thing... aftermarket, stand alone projectors grafted into OEM fog housings. I should have just done that a while ago.

[Old No.7]

Your Avant looks so clean and simple, dig it!

[airjordan223]

quality work man. thats how the b6 should have come from the factory.

[Bische]

Thanks all, i apriciate it

more details on the projector fogs please.

Any possibility of a DIY for the fog light projectors?

This is still in project stage :) I need to fab new cut offs for them, really crappy cut off ATM.

I bought a set of projector fogs that was meant to be screwed to your bumper, 1 set of chinese foglight knock offs(dont buy these, crap quality) and 1 set of H3 xenon bulbs.

Did you paint the window molding black or replace it?

They are vinyl wrapped they grilles are oem black ones

[a4darkness]

Thanks for confirming about the fogs. So then, use OEM housings and aftermarket stand alone projectors.

[Bische]

Changed my VCG, was leaking bad. My car had by PO got longlife oil service until i bought it, but it looked better than i expected:







My fancypants torque wrench:


And and my latest addition to my garage:

[Bische]

2 quick ones from the phone

[JEENYUS]

nice. you know that you are going to have to provide great details on this. the cutoff is pretty decent on those.

[a4darkness]

Yeah, that's pretty clean.

[Bische]

nice. you know that you are going to have to provide great details on this. the cutoff is pretty decent on those.

These are the ones i used link

the cutoff is bad, at least to me haha

[a4darkness]

Hmmm, that's a bummer cause I was looking at these which appear to be the same brand.

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/UNIVE...Q5fAccessories

[Bische]

Yeah those are the same, but they may have a different cutoff, in gonna make my own cutoff plates for them

[a4darkness]

I figure it'll be far better than HIDs in OEM fog housings and for $50+ shipping it' prob worth it.

[Bische]

I figure it'll be far better than HIDs in OEM fog housings and for $50+ shipping it' prob worth it.

Yes definatly, i did this when my fog bulb burned in the oem housings. Figured since i need new bulbs i might just upgrade.

Im really like the output, just need a lil modding to the cutoff to suite my taste 100%

[a4darkness]

So it's just not that crisp? Cause the light distribution looks pretty clean, just maybe a bit soft on the edges.

Wait, did you use OEM fog housings or knock offs? I hear the light distribution in the knock off halogen fog housings (using halogen bulbs) isn't anywhere near as good as OEM.

[Bische]

The disturbution is really good, ill snap a pic later. The cutoff is soft.

I used the knockoffs, just the housing and glass, the reflectors is not used.

[a4darkness]

Gotcha, okay cool.

[Bische]

Logged my shit today, 003 004 020 to checkout how my intake side is doing. It builds up as i go through gears, as expected with stock intercooler. But im more concerned about my air filter setup sucking hot air, as it was -1C ambient and i got +12-15C IAT while cruising and had about +17-20C IAT standing still at idle.
Im lurking for similar logs to compare, and found some in JMW BT build thread. His IATs were about 7C over ambient(+7C) while cruising..

But it runs great, 0 CFs with around 14 degrees timing advance at peak, and around 165-170g/s peak flow. havent logged actual MAP, but my boost gauge says it holds ~19psi and tapers to 15psi at 5500rpms

The log consists of one 3rd gear pull and then a full 2nd and 3rd shortly after: https://spreadsheets.google.com/ccc?...nc&hl=en#gid=0

[Bische]

Im shopping for shocks, i need the helpz.. I am pretty much deciding between konis or bilsteins, afaik theyre both adjustable right?

What i want to know is if any of the two used the OEM spring perch??

[a4darkness]

Negative, the Koni's are dampening adjustable and the Bilsteins (both HD and Sport) are not.

Both the Bilstein Sport and Koni Yellows are designed to work with the OEM Sport Spring and / or an aftermarket spring as well (Eibach, Neuspeed, H&R etc etc). Bilstein HDs are designed for the non-sport spring.

From my experience, if you reeeeeealy want adjustable shocks then go for it. But keep in mind you'll need to pull the shocks from the car to adjust them. While the rears are really easy, the fronts are far from that. I'm running Konis and Eibachs right now and after three attempts to get them adjusted am not happy with them. Very shortly they'll be replaced with the Vogtland CO's I have sitting in my garage.

If I was to choose shocks and springs again, I'd go Bilstein as trying to monkey around with dampening (using such a poor adjustment method) is not for me. I have completely gravitated towards a suspension setup that's been dampening pre-adjusted for our cars. The only way I wouldn't is if I went with PSS9/10's or Stasis Motorsports.

[Bische]

Negative, the Koni's are dampening adjustable and the Bilsteins (both HD and Sport) are not.

Both the Bilstein Sport and Koni Yellows are designed to work with the OEM Sport Spring and / or an aftermarket spring as well (Eibach, Neuspeed, H&R etc etc). Bilstein HDs are designed for the non-sport spring.

From my experience, if you reeeeeealy want adjustable shocks then go for it. But keep in mind you'll need to pull the shocks from the car to adjust them. While the rears are really easy, the fronts are far from that. I'm running Konis and Eibachs right now and after three attempts to get them adjusted am not happy with them. Very shortly they'll be replaced with the Vogtland CO's I have sitting in my garage.

If I was to choose shocks and springs again, I'd go Bilstein as trying to monkey around with dampening (using such a poor adjustment method) is not for me. I have completely gravitated towards a suspension setup that's been dampening pre-adjusted for our cars. The only way I wouldn't is if I went with PSS9/10's or Stasis Motorsports.

whoopsydaisy, i thought bilsteins were too? good to know.. But WTF pull the strut to adjust? thats a non-adjustable shock to me..

I mean the spring perch(maybe isnt even called that?), the "plate" the spring sits on? Is there any other viable shocks? hmm, i just got to thinking..

[a4darkness]

Ha! That's funny. An adjustable non-adjustable shock. Good call.

If I'm understanding your question correctly, you mean the small metal perch that the spring sits on? That part isn't swapped or reused when installing new shocks. That piece stays on the shock when removed and a new shock will have one as well.

[Bische]

yeah, that one. Are you sure not with bilsteins either? I wanted to put on B5 perches on mine..

What about these bad boys right here?

[a4darkness]

I see what you're getting at. Bische... but this is a bit out of my realm of knowledge.

I do recall the B5 Bilsteins having some kind of adjustable perch setting but have no idea if this could be retro-fitted into a B6 shock. However, IIRC you can have some kind of adjustment mechanism added to some shocks. But it's a process I'm not familiar with.

I'd PM EBG 18T as he's a bit of a suspension guru and will certainly be able to help.

[Bische]

i hate this shit, guess ill have to fork out and get some proper coilovers to be satisfied.. ima call Öhlins tomorrow and get a price on the ones i linked.

[kneel]

DO NOT RUN the KONI YELLOWS on the Avant!!!!

I've had nothing but trouble with them. I personally think they are not made for the Avants. My rears blew out twice, and the fronts are now blown out. But the fronts do have 100k on them. I will NEVER buy another KONI product again.

The KONI's are coming out and going with BILSTIENS

[Bische]

Thanks for the heads up man

[a4darkness]

While I don't have an Avant, I'll somewhat 2nd what Neil's said about Koni's as I've certainly been annoyed with mine as well.

Koni touts their shocks for our cars as "adjustable" but that comes with some caveats. As mentioned, they're top mount adjustable so they have to be removed from the vehicle to be adjusted. But it goes further than this. To adjust them, you must first secure the shock body and then completely depress the shock into the housing in order to 'activate' the dampening adjuster, so to speak.

But even more ridiculous this? There is no click setting or indicator of what the current level of adjustment is or how much has been made. So you're totally flying blind. Had I realized THAT part, I never ever would have bought them. Pics of said adjustment here.

It's obvious that their shock was designed to be adjusted while on the vehicle. This way, one could both see what the level of adjustment is (using a knob of some kind). But more importantly than this, the weight of the vehicle on the shock would obviously be compressing making it far easier to adjust. Not a bad shock, just bad parameters around it.

Unless dampening adjustment is done using a click set method with a remote... I would highly suggest skipping on that shock on CO.

Bische, my suggestion would be to just spend a few hundred more and buy a set of coilovers. You might be able to find a spring / shock to match your preference but IMO a coilover that comes pre-dampened (with a shock/spring unit) is a far better option. I went Vogtland as they are slightly more stiff than OEM sport and offer the far easier rear adjustment style. That and everyone who runs them seems to have undying adoration for them... not something you hear about shock / spring combos 99% of the time.

Many perceive CO's to only be about gettin more low, but in actuality they provide a matched shock and spring with the added bonus of height (and possibly dampening) adjust-ability.

A while ago, Eric / EBG 1.8T put together this ridiculously phenomenal guide to CO's. While the prices have changed, 99% of the data has not. Check it out...
http://www.audizine.com/forum/showth...d=12&styleid=8

[brettj20]

love your car looks clean.

[michgo]

I have your exact car. Been through springs, spring/shock, air ride, coilovers.

Coilovers are extremely comfortable and do everything you need them to do and more Worth not eating out for 2 weeks