Who has changed Transmission fluid on 6Automatic Quattro?

[M1ke]

Regarding the flush....

I really think this is an internet wives tale. I own a "flush" machine and I can tell you that there is no way that particulates are getting disturbed or "flushed" by using this machine.

Really, think of it as a fluid exchanger not a flusher to get a more accurate perspective as to what it does. Using this method is much preferred to the "drain and fill" because it will extract all the dirty fluid from the torque converter as well.

However, it is important to make sure that the shop is not dumping your Lifegaurd fluid on top of another type of fluid in the machine. This type of contamination is a no-no. When I do mine I will flush it at 50K and change filter at 100K

Funny though my own research has the same results as you guys.....still trying to decide if lifegaurd 6 or lifegaurd 8 is the correct fluid. According to the ZF website lifegaurd 6 is listed as the correct fluid for 6 speed transmissions, but I am hearing lifegaurd.

Again flushing is only bad if the shop allows different kinds of fluids to mix in the machine. Other than that fine to do.

Mike
ASE Master Tech/ L1

[SDF1]

Mike, if you look at my post here , you will see how we are 99.99% it is LifeGuard 8.
But if you want to be 100%, take a look at the liquid before ordering. Green is LifeGuard 8 and Yellow is LifeGuard6.

I've called transmission shops and they've told me, if your transmission is over 120KMs (75K Miles), don't flush, only change the liquid or else you risk destroying your transmission. I guess it has to do with the wear level, and I've been told if your over 160KMs (100k Miles) Don't touch it.
From your experience, is that accurate?

[M1ke]

Ok I will take a peak at the fluid before ordering. Good suggestion.


SDF1-I think your right, high mileage transmissions shouldn't be flushed. They should be done the old fashion way and replace 1/2 the fluid.

Your post just prompted me to make a call. I just got the real story from a very trusted source that pretty much is saying the same thing your shops told you. The reasoning he gave is its not that the machines truly flush debris but that the new ATFs have so much detergent that it is indeed dislodging debris. An angle I hadn't considered. By changing 100% of the fluid your essentially "shocking" the transmission.

With that said, In my experience I have never had a problem. I still think a major concern is shops/ techs using the wrong fluid.

So thanks for serving my crow pie for me today hahaha. Actually I really appreciate it and will change the advice I am giving customers.

[Fburg A4]

Some of the concern with a flush is that a detergent or cleaning agent is sometimes added (this is part of the BG service) to the trans and ran through for a while before performing the exchange itself. I think this is where people worry that debris will come off the torque converter or elsewhere and get into the valve body or some other place.
The whole flush debate is probably worthy of its own thread since there are so many opinions.

[jr1415us]

I've been researching a fluid service for my B6 S4 with the ZF 6HP19a. Lifeguard 6 was the factory fill on these B6 models, but there was a TSB campaign in 2006 to address hooting & chirping noises on certain vehicles, and part of that was switching the ATF to Lifeguard 8, plus carrying out a TCU flash.
My theory is that the Audi parts system has had the LG 6 part # superseded with LG8 since then. So if your car never was serviced in for that TSB it may well have the LG6 in it.

[SDF1]

DIRECTLY FROM ZF today.


I have attached a couple of items for you.
1- A list of parts needed for the 6hp28AF fluid change. Note: The 6hp28AF uses Lifeguard Fluid 8. Typically a fluid change will require 5-7 liters of fluid.

2- This is the link to a Service Center Locator http://www.zf.com/na/content/en/nort...main_r_us.html along with the link to CTSC http://thectsc.com/

3- Fluid change instructions for the 6hp26A which will be the same for 6hp28AF transmissions.

https://www.yousendit.com/download/U...bWdHa05qQTlVag




I would also like to emphasize the importance of using Genuine ZF parts and more importantly fluids. Your dealer will also offer Lifeguard equivalent fluids. Currently there are no aftermarket fluids that meet the ZF 6hp28AF fluid specifications. Using the wrong fluid may result in slipping or firm shifts due to the transmission controller attempting to compensate for different friction capabilities of the wrong fluid. There is also a chance of torque converter chatter from the friction modifiers being incorrect for the modulated lock-up function of the torque converter.



We are still in the process of setting up the fluid change kits so feel free to contact me every couple of months. If you have any other questions I will be happy to assist you.


Regional Service Manager
Automotive Technology Group


And here is a link to the file
https://www.yousendit.com/download/U...dVU3N0JqQTlVag

6hp28AF Audi Oil Change Components

Pos. no. Material Designation Quantity
/110 0501.216.504 OIL SUMP 1
/120 0501.324.025 SCREW PLUG 1
/130 0501.323.292 SCREW PLUG 1
/140 0750.101.118 MAGNET 2
/160 1060.303.002 CAP 1
20 0736.300.500 TORX SCREW 13
50 0501.322.155 GASKET 1
200 0501.223.001 OIL FILTER 1
Fluid Needed
S671.090.312 ZF Lifeguard8 1 Liter 1
S671CASE312 ZF Lifeguard8 1 Liter 12

[A4 Centaur]

Thanks very much for the info!!

I am wondering if ZF's mandated fluid is any better than Amsoil fluid? Level10 or other upgraded valve body will come this summer, and I will change the fluid then. Will also get a good sample to see how dirty the oil is after 20k miles. In addition it looks like a great resource to figure out how to add a few plates to the transmission, and possibly get an upgraded torque converter as well.

I think I will shoot for a "bullet proof" transmission as well as the K04/GTX kit. So many folks complained about the ZF transmission, looks like I will have to be the test mule.

[SDF1]

I wouldn't put anything but the official ZF fluid. I have CPO warranty up to 120k. If they find that i didn't use the exact fluid they wouldn't touch it. I'd rather not risk it.
Fresh fluid and new filter at 80K should be enough to keep this tranny going up to 160k+ :)


HERE IS THE LINK TO THE PROCEEDURE! The link above didn't work
https://www.yousendit.com/download/U...bWdHa05qQTlVag

[SDF1]

Anyone done this yet?

[bhvrdr]

Anyone done this yet?

Yup. Used the filter, gasket, and LG8 fluid. Transmission worked fine before the change and continues to work fine now.

cheers! Mike

[SDF1]

Yup. Used the filter, gasket, and LG8 fluid. Transmission worked fine before the change and continues to work fine now.

cheers! Mike

How many L of LG8 Fluid did it take?

[Clarity]

Recently changed my transmission fluid at 78,000 with redline D4 atf, oem filter, and oem gasket. Seems to have slightly smoother shifting between 1-2, 2-1 change.
Transmission shifted fine before the change, i just feel better knowing it has been changed.

This is my first audi and first automatic transmission. I chose redline based on good experience with their products in the past.

[bhvrdr]

Yup. Used the filter, gasket, and LG8 fluid. Transmission worked fine before the change and continues to work fine now.

cheers! Mike

I bought 11L thinking I may need to do the TQ and flush and ended up just doing a drain and refill using about 7-8L of it IIRC.

cheers! Mike

[Highlander1010]

Per Audi this is not required on Quattro. Thoughts?

[A4 Centaur]

Check out: www.blauparts.com

The temp changes and dirt from use looks like it fouls up the modulator and small parts quite quickly in an automatic.

[k9lovr]

Per Audi this is not required on Quattro. Thoughts?

I would never follow a never change guide as fluids break down with heat and use there is no stopping it. Eventually this will cause excessive wear. I plan on doing this in a few months or so.

[SDF1]

Anyone find a cheap place for the LifeGuard 8?

[jlaudio]

if the engine comes out of the car is it safe to say they drained and refilled the transmission? getting my car back tomorrow or friday from stage 2 pistons and rings

[jr1415us]

Anyone find a cheap place for the LifeGuard 8?

Try here for ZF LG8, California Transmission Supply Company:

http://www.thectsc.com/index.php?p=p...=192&parent=58

[TCHUN003]

I'm assuming Dan's transmission and rear diff fluid flush doesn't apply to us?

http://www.audizine.com/forum/showth...n-Fluid-Change

http://www.audizine.com/forum/showth...l-Fluid-Change

[Fburg A4]

I just noticed that Red Line sells a product they say is compatible with Lifeguard 8 ATF. Not sure if anyone has tried it, but this is another option out there for those not interested in spending $50/qt for the OEM Audi ATF. Other places sell it besides 034, but they have a description on the product page saying it meets Lifeguard 8 specifications.

http://www.034motorsport.com/oe-part...e-p-19653.html

Just noticed Clarity posted about his experience above.

[SDF1]

I just noticed that Red Line sells a product they say is compatible with Lifeguard 8 ATF. Not sure if anyone has tried it, but this is another option out there for those not interested in spending $50/qt for the OEM Audi ATF. Other places sell it besides 034, but they have a description on the product page saying it meets Lifeguard 8 specifications.

http://www.034motorsport.com/oe-part...e-p-19653.html

Good find but I would never mix tranny fluids and I would never do a complete flush soo it's not an option for me.

It's also only about 32$/L for the fluid or 250$/12L @ http://www.thectsc.com/index.php?p=c...parent=62&pg=1

[Highlander1010]

So you guys are all saying that you have to stick with the really expensive ZF stuff? I'm working with Achtuning on a fluid change next week and they were recommending Redline. Thoughts?

[SDF1]

So you guys are all saying that you have to stick with the really expensive ZF stuff? I'm working with Achtuning on a fluid change next week and they were recommending Redline. Thoughts?

how many miles do you have on her?

[jr1415us]

So you guys are all saying that you have to stick with the really expensive ZF stuff? I'm working with Achtuning on a fluid change next week and they were recommending Redline. Thoughts?

I bought a case of this Ravenol ATF from Blauparts. Changing the fluid this weekend:

http://www.blauparts.com/proddetail.asp?prod=J1D2110-A

[bhvrdr]

if the engine comes out of the car is it safe to say they drained and refilled the transmission? getting my car back tomorrow or friday from stage 2 pistons and rings

Nope. Mike

[Highlander1010]

how many miles do you have on her?

33K. Having some pedal trouble that could be related to the Tranny filter, so changing fluid at the same time.

[SDF1]

33K. Having some pedal trouble that could be related to the Tranny filter, so changing fluid at the same time.

If it's under warranty, why don't you bring it to the dealer? maybe Audi will pay for a tranny flush?

[Highlander1010]

how many miles do you have on her?

33K. My issue is that since my K04 install I have occasional sluggishness from a stop sign/light or at low idle in a parking lot. It doesn't happen all the time. I can go days without it. But when it does, it is either annoying or dangerous.

I have reflashed my transmission's learned set points and my dealer said they reflashed me to the latest TSB update (possible no?). Not sure what else to do, but I'm getting really frustrated because I need to fix this issue to feel good about my car again.

[Highlander1010]

If it's under warranty, why don't you bring it to the dealer? maybe Audi will pay for a tranny flush?

Doubtful since I'm elbows deep in mods - K04, Carbino intake, FMIC, etc.

[A4 Centaur]

Please call Level10 or another for the valvebody upgrade.

[nikatrel]

Have we figured out for sure if it is ok to mix fluids? Need to do a change and leaning towards the Redline.

[k9lovr]

Ok so I want to change my fluid and possibly the filter as well. I have seen that ZF LG8 is the fluid to go with from what a lot of people have said. I am at 61K and am wondering if I should do the filter while I am at it. ECS sells a kit but I need to contact them to determine which fluid they provide but it does include new plugs, filter, and gasket. Any thoughts or suggestions would be appreciated.....

[A4 Centaur]

I will talk to 3 Zero 3 here in Denver and report any updates. I would like to do the flush as I am at 15k and would like to see what the fluid looks like and see if there are any perceivable performance results.

[Mrav]

recently i've noticed my 6spd auto hanging in some gears coming away from a stop light. going from 2-3 it does not want to upshift into the next gear and i have to put the tranny in tiptronic and make the shift myself.

welp, mine just started doing that, and my warranty just expired 2 months ago

[jlaudio]

welp, mine just started doing that, and my warranty just expired 2 months ago

yikes. mine still does it months later but it happens only about 1-2 times per month.
I am still looking into having the fluid changed as i am about to hit 58k miles. I am under CPO warranty until sept of 2014
I hate automatic's anyway so i think i am going to dump the car sept of next year and move into a 6mt S4. used of course

[SDF1]

Does it hang in gears in S mode as well?

[Fburg A4]

I took the plunge and did the BG flush

[k9lovr]

I took the plunge and did the BG flush

How is everything running? Who did you have perform it?

[hurls]

I've been considering doing this... but not as a DIY. I have an indy mechanic here in town who is a ZF-certified service station (rebuilt the failed reverse drum on my e46's auto). He quoted $750-800 for the job. I'm considering it, but was expecting something more down the lines of $400 ;)