20 inch rims on stock springs?

[a4lover]

Does anyone have 20 inch rims on their b8 that didn't lower there car? Is it that important to lower it if I do get 20s?

[Sharkfin]

the 20s will fit obviously, it just looks better when lowered. That was a really ignorant question

[Stone825]

MOOOONSTERTRUCKK

[a4lover]

Alrigt so which comapny should I go through

[awhk82]

Here is pic of my car with 20s before lowering, I guess it looked okay with sport suspension.

[Blake P]

Here is pic of my car with 20s before lowering, I guess it looked okay with sport suspension.

OMG, it's so crazy to see your car that way now that it's been totally transformed!

[Skyler@Achtuning]

We have H&R coilovers on sale for $1,150, the lowest price we've ever offered and the lowest price you're likely to find :)

http://shop.achtuning.com/B8-A4-Coilovers.aspx

[Blake P]

And we'll have 20" Hartmann HRS4 wheels available later this summer as well for B8 A4 fitment!

Please say they'll be at least 20x9"

[Skyler@Achtuning]

Yep, 20x9.0" :)

[Blake P]

Yep, 20x9.0" :)

Nice! Those should sell like hotcakes. Any idea of offsets?

[jms493]

Would to see a B8 with 18s and lowered........

[astaikos10]

the 20s will fit obviously, it just looks better when lowered. That was a really ignorant question

I think that was a really ignorant answer. He knows that they fit, he wanted to know how well they would fit without lowering, i.e. if the larger diameter would take away the gap enough that lowering wouldn't make that much of a difference. You should learn to keep comments like that to yourself, because unless you have something to offer, like awhk82's picture which was wonderful for answering his question, your just taking up space and looking like an asshole.

[Blake P]

...if the larger diameter would take away the gap enough that lowering wouldn't make that much of a difference....

I see this assumption made all the time, but if the correct tire size is used the overall rolling diameter should stay the same or VERY close to it (within 1%).

[astaikos10]

I see this assumption made all the time, but if the correct tire size is used the overall rolling diameter should stay the same or VERY close to it (within 1%).

Although we already knew this, I think this is what the guy was trying to figure out, if you look at the first post.

[Sharkfin]

I think that was a really ignorant answer. He knows that they fit, he wanted to know how well they would fit without lowering, i.e. if the larger diameter would take away the gap enough that lowering wouldn't make that much of a difference. You should learn to keep comments like that to yourself, because unless you have something to offer, like awhk82's picture which was wonderful for answering his question, your just taking up space and looking like an asshole.

I can't believe you posted this, not only are you a one ringer and a recent addition to AZ but you assumed this is what he wanted to know and then called me out for not answering it. Take any veteran of AZ and ask him to answer the OP and he would gawk at the level of ignorance that question had. Wow

Back to the thread...

[astaikos10]

I can't believe you posted this, not only are you a one ringer and a recent addition to AZ but you assumed this is what he wanted to know and then called me out for not answering it. Take any veteran of AZ and ask him to answer the OP and he would gawk at the level of ignorance that question had. Wow

Back to the thread...

First of all my status as a newer member to the forum has nothing to do with this, so don't bring irrelevant nonsense into the mix. I never "called you out" per se for not answering his question but rather for telling him that his question was ignorant, something that I do not agree with, since as Blake has said, it is a common misconception that larger wheels will decrease gap where this is not the case. "Take any veteran of AZ and ask him to answer the OP and he would gawk at the level of ignorance that question had." Obviously not, since there were people after you that tried helping out (Blake, awhk82). To you, almighty, four ring, veteran AZer , that was an ignorant question, but all I'm saying is if you take a step back, to a less experienced person's perspective, its not. Peace

[CLEAR]

so ... is Hartmann 20s for B8 A4 out yet? thanks

[Skyler@Achtuning]

Not yet, we have a lot of wheels coming in currently but the 20" HRS4-252s are not on the container I thought there were on, we are expecting them around October-November.

[Okan509]

I think that was a really ignorant answer. He knows that they fit, he wanted to know how well they would fit without lowering, i.e. if the larger diameter would take away the gap enough that lowering wouldn't make that much of a difference. You should learn to keep comments like that to yourself, because unless you have something to offer, like awhk82's picture which was wonderful for answering his question, your just taking up space and looking like an asshole.

hahaha nice, i was thinking the same thing when i read his reply... some people don't take the time to read

[dieatomic]

before lowering

after lowering on H&R Coilovers (great mod IMO)

[dieatomic]

^^^These are Stasis SE08 20X9 ET48 with 5mm spacers in rear

[hender]

First of all my status as a newer member to the forum has nothing to do with this, so don't bring irrelevant nonsense into the mix. I never "called you out" per se for not answering his question but rather for telling him that his question was ignorant, something that I do not agree with, since as Blake has said, it is a common misconception that larger wheels will decrease gap where this is not the case. "Take any veteran of AZ and ask him to answer the OP and he would gawk at the level of ignorance that question had." Obviously not, since there were people after you that tried helping out (Blake, awhk82). To you, almighty, four ring, veteran AZer , that was an ignorant question, but all I'm saying is if you take a step back, to a less experienced person's perspective, its not. Peace

+1

as a newbie, I'm going to (and have been) asking questions that might seem 'basic'. the last thing I want is someone who thinks their 4-ring status means something giving me shit for it. we're all here to learn

now...back on topic.

[Sharkfin]

+1

as a newbie, I'm going to (and have been) asking questions that might seem 'basic'. the last thing I want is someone who thinks their 4-ring status means something giving me shit for it. we're all here to learn

now...back on topic.

Means something? You mean knowledge to help you?

[johnnythepie]

I think that the op's question was a valid one.When changing wheel/tyre sizes there are many possible problems.Like the tyres rubbing or bottoming out etc.Its not just a case of slamming them on.I ordered my sline with 19" rims.This meant that the sline suspension had to be 20mm lowered and not 30mm with stock 18".He had every right to ask that question.I think that when jeremy clarkson refers to audi drivers as cocks, i think we know what he meant.

[B8_Jim]

I ordered my sline with 19" rims.This meant that the sline suspension had to be 20mm lowered and not 30mm with stock 18".

I think this may be part of the confusion...

The metal Rim size has very little (well nothing actually) to do with ride height or actual fender gap (the perceived gap may change due to visuals)

The overall tire diameter stays the same whether you have 17,18,19 wheels. Thus the ride height is the same. If you get larger wheels the tire sidewall gets smaller - the gap from fender to tire stays the same.

US spec S-line and sport suspension are both 20mm lower than stock - but that is all done via springs, nothing due to tire diameter.

Go to http://www.1010tires.com/TireSizeCalculator.asp and you can put in the tire size to see for yourself.

18" 245/40-18 vs your 19"

[hender]

Means something? You mean knowledge you help you?

sorry, i didn't realize number of the number of forum posts was correlated to knowledge.

[Sharkfin]

Comical, cheers

[johnnythepie]

@B5_jim, I am aware of tyre sizes etc, its just that it was a manufacturers stipulation that when i ordered my sline with 19", i had to have the 20mm drop.They would not supply the car with the standard 30mm drop.I thought about ordering it with 18"/30mm and putting the 19" on as aftermarket(at a $2000 premium).As it turned out, the 19" with a 20mm drop was a BIG mistake(handles like a shopping cart).Not bieng sure as to whether id bottom out/scuff,(and no one at my dealer could tell me),no doubt i would have been on this forum asking a similar 'ignorant' question.
@hender +1

[B8_Jim]

@B5_jim, I am aware of tyre sizes etc, its just that it was a manufacturers stipulation that when i ordered my sline with 19", i had to have the 20mm drop.They would not supply the car with the standard 30mm drop.I thought about ordering it with 18"/30mm and putting the 19" on as aftermarket(at a $2000 premium).As it turned out, the 19" with a 20mm drop was a BIG mistake(handles like a shopping cart).Not bieng sure as to whether id bottom out/scuff,(and no one at my dealer could tell me),no doubt i would have been on this forum asking a similar 'ignorant' question.
@hender +1

Sorry -- I didn't realize that you couldn't order 30mm lower suspension with 19's in the UK. Over here we only get 20mm no matter which suspension/trim level you order.

[JasonR]

18" -- 245/40-18 vs your 19"

Good post. Oddly enough, the 19" setup that Audi provides on the S-Line is 255/35-19. The overall diameter is 0.4" larger than the 18" setup. Perhaps that's why the S-Line gets less drop in the UK than an 18" sport package.

I think the main confusion here is that people tried to assume what question the OP was thinking rather than the one he actually asked. He didn't ask if there was a fitment issue - just if someone has done it, and do we think it's "important" to lower if going with 20s. Personally I suspect he was just wondering about how it would look, and fortunately he now has some photos to see for himself. I think it's a bit 4x4 looking, but once you drop your car, you kind of find all stock ride heights look that way. YMMV.

[Okan509]

He definitely just wanted to know how 20's would look on stock suspension, which doesn't look to great, i prefer smaller wheels with stock than 20's. You gotta lower it to get the right look with those big ass rims

[Ryan_T]

I think it might look alright on the Sports suspension, but definitely not on the Stock ones. I had the Sports suspension and it was just too much wheelgap. Even with 20's of the same rolling diameter or not, it'll still be too much (for me, anyway). Depends on your tolerance for those sort of things though.

[sakimano]

anyone else think 20 is insane? I think 18 is just right on b7s, and 19 is just right on b8s.

I'm more into performance combined with looks than having the biggest possible set of wheels on the car...maybe it's just me.

[B8_Jim]

Good post. Oddly enough, the 19" setup that Audi provides on the S-Line is 255/35-19. The overall diameter is 0.4" larger than the 18" setup. Perhaps that's why the S-Line gets less drop in the UK than an 18" sport package.

So for completeness
Premium 17" - 225/50-17 - Dia = 25.86, Circumference = 81.24
Premium+ 17" - 245/45-17 - Dia = 25.68, Circumference = 80.68
Prestige 18" - 245/40-18 - Dia = 25.72, Circumference = 80.79
18" Sport - same as above
19" S-line or 19" sport - 255/35-19 - Dia = 26.03, Circumference = 81.77

I was a bit surprised that there is this much variation - but from smallest to largest it's .35" - only half of that goes to ride height, so 0.175" - 4.4mm. Rolling circumference is only 1.3% different.

For the 19" package - I suspect they wanted to go with a wider tire for several reasons - marketing, performance, aesthetics - a 245/35-19 would have been more in-range in terms of size (25.75 dia)

BTW - WTH - I got the smallest tire - just kidding - I think the $1450 check box for the 18" sport pkg was VERY well spent.

To me - going from 17 -> 18 -> 19 without lowering kind of tends to highlight the fender gap that remains - it becomes a larger percentage of the tire sidewall height.

[Okan509]

anyone else think 20 is insane? I think 18 is just right on b7s, and 19 is just right on b8s.

I'm more into performance combined with looks than having the biggest possible set of wheels on the car...maybe it's just me.

I agree! 19's look really good, I still like 18's on them, 20's require paper thin tires, and i hate how that looks. It is also very unpractical

[Okan509]

To me -- going from 17 -> 18 -> 19 without lowering kind of tends to highlight the fender gap that remains -- it becomes a larger percentage of the tire sidewall height.

Yes! agreed

[B8_Jim]

anyone else think 20 is insane? I think 18 is just right on b7s, and 19 is just right on b8s.

I'm more into performance combined with looks than having the biggest possible set of wheels on the car...maybe it's just me.

They are not for me, but hey to each his own.

I'd be scared of bending a wheel every time I had to drive on any rough roads with only (what 30 series?) rubber, plus I don't like the looks of very thin sidewalls.

Like I said -- to each his own -- there are a LOT of people who like different things than I do

[sakimano]

^change your userid...it confuses the piss out of me.

Good point about the tire sizes on 19s. I bought 19" wheels aftermarket...and when choosing tires I just did the math you did up above to determine the 'appropriate' tire size. I went with 245.35.19. I was surprised (and corrected soundly by half the forum) in another thread when I assumed this was the stock size, but was informed that it was 255. Still 255 is pretty awesome from the factory. That's the B7 RS4 stock tire size on 19x9.0" wheels.

[Sharkfin]

Not scared of 20s, I agree 19s are perfect for looks but I tried it (twice) with 245/30/20s each time and both were equal to ride quality on 19s and looked good. It depends on the wheel. I also have horrible roads in PA and these things ate them up, I think some people are paranoid.

[johnnythepie]

Sorry -- I didn't realize that you couldn't order 30mm lower suspension with 19's in the UK. Over here we only get 20mm no matter which suspension/trim level you order.

Audi dont make it easy do they?Had a look at your configurator.....restrictive or what?I think the only bonus you guys have is the price!I now understand your obsession with ride height!