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    Just curious what other peoples steps are and what products they use. For me it starts with Mothers clay bar, Meguiar's ultimate compound, followed by ultimate polish, then Chemical guys Carnauba wax plus X-seal. Tools used were porter cable DA with hex logic pads.

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    Whole detailing forum on AZ.

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    Love the porter cable DA, haha.. I have a detailing friend who had the Chemical Guys Torq DA that broke, brought over my porter cable DA and we did my car and he was actually really surprised at the finish it layed down. But we were also using CG pads and polish too

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    Quote Originally Posted by CJ_ View Post
    Love the porter cable DA, haha.. I have a detailing friend who had the Chemical Guys Torq DA that broke, brought over my porter cable DA and we did my car and he was actually really surprised at the finish it layed down. But we were also using CG pads and polish too
    Ya same, the Torq is expensive too. Porter cable makes it so easy.

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    Could go on for pages about routines and products. Lol.

    List of things I use the most:

    Rupes Polishers + Menzerna Polishes + Lake Country Hydrotech Pads

    GTechniq Coatings

    Ultimate Waterless Wash + Concentrate

    Poorboys APC, Shampoo, and Glass Cleaner

    Griots HD Wheel Cleaner

    Dayton Speedmaster, Wheel Woolies and Race Glaze Brushes

    1Z Cockpit Premium

    Sonus Trim and Motor Kote

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    Quote Originally Posted by JVD View Post
    Could go on for pages about routines and products. Lol.

    List of things I use the most:

    Rupes Polishers + Menzerna Polishes + Lake Country Hydrotech Pads

    GTechniq Coatings

    Ultimate Waterless Wash + Concentrate

    Poorboys APC, Shampoo, and Glass Cleaner

    Griots HD Wheel Cleaner

    Dayton Speedmaster, Wheel Woolies and Race Glaze Brushes

    1Z Cockpit Premium

    Sonus Trim and Motor Kote
    How does the waterless carwash work for you?

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    Quote Originally Posted by 616_S4 View Post
    How does the waterless carwash work for you?
    I love it. Just throw a handfull of microfibers in a bucket with solution. Pre-soak each panel with some more concentrated solution before wiping. Flip towels as needed. Discard (to be washed) each towel as it gets dirty. Dry. SIMPLE. I use like a gallon of water to do the whole car.

    Just don't go crazy with this. Don't go scrubbing the paint. Pretty much just use the weight of the soaked towel. I ONLY use this method when the car is dusty or seen some light rain while parked or something. Never a heavily soiled car. We also have bylaws that prevent us from doing traditional washes on our driveways... not that I always obey... but if my car is very dirty I'll spray it off at the wand wash and then rinseless wash to get it perfect.

    I keep a spray bottle of it on hand at all times for quick detailing as well. Use it on jambs lots... It's just super versatile.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JVD View Post
    I love it. Just throw a handfull of microfibers in a bucket with solution. Pre-soak each panel with some more concentrated solution before wiping. Flip towels as needed. Discard (to be washed) each towel as it gets dirty. Dry. SIMPLE. I use like a gallon of water to do the whole car.

    Just don't go crazy with this. Don't go scrubbing the paint. Pretty much just use the weight of the soaked towel. I ONLY use this method when the car is dusty or seen some light rain while parked or something. Never a heavily soiled car. We also have bylaws that prevent us from doing traditional washes on our driveways... not that I always obey... but if my car is very dirty I'll spray it off at the wand wash and then rinseless wash to get it perfect.

    I keep a spray bottle of it on hand at all times for quick detailing as well. Use it on jambs lots... It's just super versatile.
    Prevent? I thought the laws just sort of restrict, based on overhead sunlight time? I guess it depends on your area. Or maybe is it because of runoff? Because DIY stall carwashes say car runoff is dirty, reclaimed, and recycled through them. Which brings me to my next point, they are great. Then again maybe I have blissful ignorance since I hear their brooms scratch paint? You never know who used it before you, maybe somebody who cleaned floor mats on the ground. However, I try rinsing it with the wand.

    The problem is, for one, each wash from there is at least $15. Or is that a necessary evil? I haven't calculated water and power cost of doing it at home.
    A drive-through is $7, I hear those scratch. And a pro detailer who can wash, then Iron-X, then rinse, then clay, then etc. - well we all know how much that costs.
    One even told me they like when it rains because it makes that process easier. Between-step rinse? Just roll it out into the rain. I heard rain is acidic and has industrial fallout, but I'm told this anyway.

    I heard Meguiar's M105 and M205 is good for PC using some kind of orbital, but that was a while ago. Technology changes/improves.

    Also heard that I should try Collinite 845 Insulator Wax and/or Sonax Polymer Netshield.

    This is for a B6. Been meaning to ask this question.
    So far I've just kept it simple and used any random Cleaner Wax, since the name 'Cleaner' is said to imply not only is it wax, but also some abrasive, to clean AND wax. Meaning, very finely polish, and shine with wax.

    Does it look as good as CQuartz Finest, or offer the same protection? I bet no. But what do you expect, one is $5, the other is $80 and difficult to apply.
    I hear they only sell to dealer licenses too. Then again a quick search found me a bottle on Amazon.

    Quote Originally Posted by 616_S4 View Post
    Just curious what other peoples steps are and what products they use. For me it starts with Mothers clay bar, Meguiar's ultimate compound, followed by ultimate polish, then Chemical guys Carnauba wax plus X-seal. Tools used were porter cable DA with hex logic pads.
    I hear CG is a good company. I never tried that product. I heard that typically, carnauba wax is glossy but more of a pre show finish, not something to last and protect for 6 months. When does carnauba come off, max 3 months? Especially with heavy rain.

    I need to restore my headlight lenses and wonder if I should use Opti-Lens after, for protection.

    ___________
    Otherwise, what can I add..
    I hear stuff like Iron-X is good to remove embedded particles from paint, it turns purple when it chemically reacts, stinks, and instructions say to rinse off.
    HFT sells pressure washers and there's foam lances on the market.
    303 Aerospace Protectant is supposed to help with UV exposure, and Meguiar's Back-to-Black claims to restore black finish such as plastic.
    I heard Simple Green is good. Haven't tried it. I use Castrol Super Clean degreaser for stubborn stuff like wheel brake dust, but the instructions say to keep it wet or else it will etch. Acidic and burns, careful with your hands. If you walk away to let it sit, prepare to see hurt clearcoat.

    For hood liner insulation pad I've soaked with Armor-All cleaner Tire Foam

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    Check out ammo@nyc on YouTube. I have learned a ton from watching his videos. He's very good at explaining how and what your doing.

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    Personally I just take mine to a self car wash and use the bristle brush hung on the wall.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Spike00513 View Post
    Prevent? I thought the laws just sort of restrict, based on overhead sunlight time? I guess it depends on your area. Or maybe is it because of runoff? Because DIY stall carwashes say car runoff is dirty, reclaimed, and recycled through them. Which brings me to my next point, they are great. Then again maybe I have blissful ignorance since I hear their brooms scratch paint? You never know who used it before you, maybe somebody who cleaned floor mats on the ground. However, I try rinsing it with the wand.

    The problem is, for one, each wash from there is at least $15. Or is that a necessary evil? I haven't calculated water and power cost of doing it at home.
    A drive-through is $7, I hear those scratch. And a pro detailer who can wash, then Iron-X, then rinse, then clay, then etc. - well we all know how much that costs.
    One even told me they like when it rains because it makes that process easier. Between-step rinse? Just roll it out into the rain. I heard rain is acidic and has industrial fallout, but I'm told this anyway.

    I heard Meguiar's M105 and M205 is good for PC using some kind of orbital, but that was a while ago. Technology changes/improves.

    Also heard that I should try Collinite 845 Insulator Wax and/or Sonax Polymer Netshield.

    This is for a B6. Been meaning to ask this question.
    So far I've just kept it simple and used any random Cleaner Wax, since the name 'Cleaner' is said to imply not only is it wax, but also some abrasive, to clean AND wax. Meaning, very finely polish, and shine with wax.

    Does it look as good as CQuartz Finest, or offer the same protection? I bet no. But what do you expect, one is $5, the other is $80 and difficult to apply.
    I hear they only sell to dealer licenses too. Then again a quick search found me a bottle on Amazon.



    I hear CG is a good company. I never tried that product. I heard that typically, carnauba wax is glossy but more of a pre show finish, not something to last and protect for 6 months. When does carnauba come off, max 3 months? Especially with heavy rain.

    I need to restore my headlight lenses and wonder if I should use Opti-Lens after, for protection.

    ___________
    Otherwise, what can I add..
    I hear stuff like Iron-X is good to remove embedded particles from paint, it turns purple when it chemically reacts, stinks, and instructions say to rinse off.
    HFT sells pressure washers and there's foam lances on the market.
    303 Aerospace Protectant is supposed to help with UV exposure, and Meguiar's Back-to-Black claims to restore black finish such as plastic.
    I heard Simple Green is good. Haven't tried it. I use Castrol Super Clean degreaser for stubborn stuff like wheel brake dust, but the instructions say to keep it wet or else it will etch. Acidic and burns, careful with your hands. If you walk away to let it sit, prepare to see hurt clearcoat.

    For hood liner insulation pad I've soaked with Armor-All cleaner Tire Foam
    Most Carnaubas wont last more than a few months. But thats the trade off of getting more shine. A good sealant will last 8- 10 months most likely. Chemical guys stuff is good but their products are the most confusing and website doesn't help at all.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Trb1 View Post
    Personally I just take mine to a self car wash and use the bristle brush hung on the wall.
    cringe.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MarlinFoundNemo View Post
    cringe.
    LOL hes just trolling because im detailing his car soon.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jimmer009 View Post
    Check out ammo@nyc on YouTube. I have learned a ton from watching his videos. He's very good at explaining how and what your doing.
    This.
    Just be prepared to spend many many hours watching his vids.
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    x3. That dude is legit. Glad he did his own gig. I was just watching him work on that one airplane. OMG.



    I couldn't find the thread I posted this in, but I luckily typed it up separately.

    "Here’s the list of liquid/clay products I use (mostly Griot’s, as my buddy turned me on to them):

    • Griot’s Engine Cleaner
    • Chemical Guys Black on Black Dressing
    • Griot’s Heavy Duty Wheel Cleaner
    • Meguiar’s Gold Class Car Wash
    • Griot’s Wheel Clay
    • Griot’s Rubber Cleaner/Griot’s Rubber Prep/Black Magic Bleche-Wite Tire Cleaner
    • Griot’s Vinyl and Rubber Dressing
    • Griot’s Long Lasting Tire Dressing
    • Griot’s Speed Shine/Meguiar's Quik Detailer Cleaner
    • Griot’s Paint Prep (IPA will work just fine too)
    • Dodo Juice Car Wash/Griot’s Car Wash
    • Griot’s Paint Clay
    • Griot’s Glass Clay
    • Griot’s Machine Polishes (1-4, which 1 being compounding and 4 being for near perfect paint) — they’ve replaced these with their BOSS Lineup
    • Griot’s Polish Remover
    • BLACKFIRE Wet Diamond All Finish Paint Protection/Griot’s Paint Sealant
    • Griot’s Best of Show Wax/Griot’s PREMIUM CARNAUBA PASTE WAX
    • Stone Glass Cleaner (safe for tint)
    • Griot’s Glass Polish
    • Rain-X glass treatment
    • Griot’s Dried on Wax and Polish Remover

    Here’s a list of accessories to get the job done:

    • 4 buckets — 2 for wheels/tires/undercarriage ONLY; 2 for washing (one is a Griot’s wash bucket with grit guard and built in car wash measuring cup)
    • Razor Blade (scrape down the windows to get crap off)
    • Boar’s hair brush (wheels and undercarriage)
    • Bendable Brush (wheels and undercarriage)
    • Stiff brush (tires)
    • Microfiber car washing sponge (looks like an alien or deep sea creature with tentacles)
    • Wash sponge that has a sort of scrubby side to it. Not like scour pad, but some have a mesh-like surface—used to get hard stains and/or bugs off
    • Wash sponge I use SOLELY for below the door blades, where it can be much dirtier than above them
    • Silicone Squeegee
    • Cobra Waffle Microfiber drying towel (x2)
    • Small Mityvac air blower (for faster drying in small spaces)
    • Griot’s 6” Orbital Polisher (majority of car)
    • Griot’s 3” Orbital Polisher (small areas and hard to get places)
    • Griot’s Glass Polishing pads
    • Griot’s/Lake Country Orange Buffing pads (for polish) - 3x-4x (separate polishes/compounds get separate pads)
    • Griot’s/Lake Country Red Buffing pads (for sealant and/or wax) - 3x (sealants and waxes get different pads)
    • Griot’s/Lake Country Black Buffing pads (final wax application) - 1x
    • Set of soft, edgeless microfiber towels for wiping off the detail spray (mine are blue)
    • Set of soft, edgeless microfiber towels for wiping off polish (do not mix with varying polishes/compounds) - mine are golden color
    • Set of softer, edgeless microfiber towels for wiping off excess sealant or wax (do not mix/match) - mine are white
    • Metal polish
    • Disposable wiping clothes for metal polish (from Griot’s; pack of 100)

    And for touching up:

    • Soft microfibers, as described above
    • Griot’s Speed Shine/Meguiar’s Quik Detailer Cleaner
    • Griot’s Spray on Car Wash
    • Griot’s Spray on Wax
    • Microfiber duster (to remove pollen)
    • MR-32 microfiber wash (for cleanup)


    Make sure car is cool, preferably in shade.

    0. If you are washing the engine bay, do this first because of the potential for getting oil/grease/harsh cleaners somewhere else. And if you do this, be sure to clean the hood around the felt mat, down the insides of the fender, the radiator clip, rain tray, etc. Don’t go half-assed.

    1. Wash the wheels/tires/wheel arches. Clean the wheel arches with a bit of car wash and the boar’s hair brush. Any particulates will fall down to a dirtier area, so I start there. Then hit the wheel with Griot's Heavy Duty Wheel Cleaner, which acts just like Sonax (which I also love), except it smells like cherry instead of god awful. This'll break down the brake dust (the spray will change to a reddish-purplish color as it dissolves the dust). Agitate it around to maximize it, and leave it sit a few minutes and wash off. I usually go through a couple iterations to get this done. Use the two bucket method to avoid scrubbing or transferring more dirt and brake dust back to your car.

    If it’s your first time washing the wheel, consider removing it in order to clay bar it, as well as get all those hard to reach areas behind the lugs and on the inside. After this, use the stiff brush on the tires themselves with the car wash to help clean them more and scrub off old silicone and such. After this, I use a set of lower quality microfibers to dry off the cleaned wheel and tire to prevent spotting (or browning). Repeat for all 4 wheels (spare if you’re ambitious)

    2. Exhaust tips. Using the metal polish and disposable cloths, clean and polish the exhaust tips. This way you don’t dirty up your rear valence later.

    3. Using some detail spray, spray and razor blade each of the glass surfaces on the exterior only. This will remove build up filth (you’ll be amazed what is on there), and allow the car wash to clean even more.

    4. Spray whole car down with Paint Prep. This removes the old wax so I’m actually drilling down to the surface. If you don’t need to go that far, then you can skip this part. Isopropyl Alcohol also works wonders in this way. Rinse off the car with water when you are done to make sure all the residue is gone. IPA will also help remove sap, if that’s stuck on.

    This is also a great time to clean the inside of your gas flap, the drainage areas around the trunk (open the lid and clean around the trunk), and the very sides of the windshield (remove the two trim pieces).

    5. Time to start washing. Fill up your wash and rinse buckets (only the wash bucket should have car wash in it). Soak all your sponges, enough so they are saturated with the wash. I start off with the scrubbing-like sponge on the front bumper, grille(s), windshield, and mirrors. Basically anywhere that bugs and road crap have really impacted the car. Ring out, and then rinse the sponge (shake/massage to remove dirt) in the rinse bucket, ring again, and saturate again in the wash bucket. I also clean the wipers and underneath them here, because they are downright filthy.

    With the nice washing sponge, you want to work your way from top to bottom (or roof-down), around the car. Wash sections at a time; i.e., split the roof into quarters and wash one quarter at a time, and following the ringing/rinsing/wash procedure above. I like to do this around the car, piece by piece, until I’ve reached the height of the door blades. This includes the bottom of the doors, side skirts, lower quarters, lower front bumper, and rear valence. Be sure to rinse as you go—you don’t want the product to dry onto the car and leave spots, and it helps wash away dirt.

    On this lower area, I like to use a completely different sponge (removed the other sponges to avoid cross-contamination). Same method as above—work section by section, top-down, until it’s all clean, two-buckets, etc.

    6. Rinse off the car. I mean RINSE. Make sure nothing is left but water droplets.

    7. Dry the car. I use a silicone squeegee to remove the majority of the water, as it just slides along the surface of the car. Then I use either the Waffle towel or the blower to continue drying or do harder to reach areas.

    8. Clay bar! Kneed a chunk of clay so that it’s flat and about the same size as your 4 fingers extended. Warmer clay=easier to mold. Starting again with the roof, spray a liberal amount of detail spray both on the clay bar and surface. Slide the clay along the surface, periodically kneading it and maintaining the surface liberally coated. DO NOT APPLY PRESSURE. The clay gliding will be more than enough to pull debris from the clear coat surface. Repeat for the whole car. You should be noticing how dirty the clay is, especially if you’ve never done this before. It’s ok—keep kneading and repeating. Should be ok to finish up the whole thing. Store it in an airtight container, liberally coated with detailing spray.

    9. Polishing or Compounding. Now that the paint is clean enough to see, make sure you have a bright source (i.e., the sun or bright halogen light) to see how bad the surface is. Scratches you cannot feel do not need to be aggressively polished. Scratches you can barely feel should be polished a bit more, and deeper scratches may need compounding. If it’s been recently done, use the lightest polish you have (very minor polishing effects) or go straight to sealant. You want to start with a lighter polish across the board, and only use more aggressive polishes where absolutely necessary, and even then, you want to step down, and then back up to blend it. Polisher-wise, a medium speed is pretty good at doing this. What you want to do is apply a bit of the polish to the pad (don’t saturate it), smear it around, and stamp the surface a bit (to avoid splattering from too much polish). Place the polisher flat on the surface with very slight pressure, hold on tightly and turn her on. You want to break up the area into smaller parts (like 1/4s). Within each 1/4, picture a 4x4 grid. You’ll want to snake the polishing pattern horizontally from top corner to bottom corner (slight overlap=ok), and then vertically back to the top corner. KEEP THE POLISHER MOVING! Otherwise you can burn through the paint. Do this 2-3 times should give you good results. Re-apply polish as necessary, or between 1/4s. Once each section has been done, I like to wipe it down with your microfiber and see if any areas need more attention, either more polishing or more aggressive polish. I also like to complete the whole thing before going back. Don’t use the same pad for different levels of polish.

    10. Wipe down everything with Paint Prep or IPA to remove the old polish. Keep in mind that you JUST removed all or nearly all of your scratches, so use a very soft microfiber to avoid incurring any scratches. Some polishes may be designed to work with sealant or wax, and may not require removal. Always check.

    11. Apply sealant (skip to next if you’re just doing wax). Follow the same process for polishing, except: a. use a lower speed, and b. use a non-cutting pad. You can apply a second coat if you’d like but it may not be necessary. Wipe off with a softer microfiber. Most sealant requires a short amount of time to “cure” before applying wax. Adhere to this as closely as you can. Obviously if optimum temperature is 65 F and it’s 90 F out, the curing time will be a bit less. Some may look cloudy at first and flash off over time. Just follow the directions.

    12. Apply the wax. Same process as sealant. Multiple coats are perfectly fine (though I heard after 2 coats, it’s a waste). I like to use white microfibers to get an idea of how much wax I’m buffing off. I also have a microfiber buffing pad, but I find doing it by hand gives me better results. If you have trouble buffing off some wax because it’s dried, apply some fresh/wet wax, and then buff. Spray-on Wax is great for this too!

    13. Glass. Spray a microfiber with glass cleaner and clean each window, one at a time. For the door windows, put the window down enough to clean over the edges. For polishing: Clean windows. Mask off the adjacent areas you just polished. Apply some glass polish to the glass polishing pad, stamp, and start polishing the glass. Minimal pressure is needed. Same principle as polishing above. May need more time for deeper scratches. Just keep it moving. Repeat for the remaining windows. Wipe off, wash with glass cleaner, and apply Rain-X treatment. Don’t forget your mirrors either! You may just want to clean them, not polish.

    14. Trim. I like to get any of the black trim with the Vinyl and Rubber Trim Cleaner, as it leaves it dark and healthy looking. I’ve never had good luck with the aluminum trim on the sides, but others have.

    15. Touch-up as necessary (remove bird droppings, sap, bugs, spots, etc).

    Note: if you are applying a product like Opti-Coat or C-Quartz or any of those glass/ceramic type coatings, then you would skip Step 10 above, as the ceramic-like coating fulfills the sealant role. You can still wax on top of it though."

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    Chemical Guys, Addams, and a lot of those detailing companies actually get their products from the same supplier/manufacturer, so in the end its the same thing. For their products, I just buy whoever is cheapest. Not saying they aren't good products, because they still are. Just an FYI.

    However, use caution with the Chemical Guys backing plates and pads. I've had 3 of them explode on me (defective), and on one occasion slightly damaged the paint. But when they don't explode they're decent and get the job done.

    My two favorite detailing products are P21S Concours-finish Carnauba Wax and Klasse High Gloss Sealing Glaze. The latter can be found at a Mercedes-Benz dealer, and is around $30 for a bottle. 2-3 tablespoons is enough to cover my Avant in a coat, and it lasts over a year. It'll last even longer if you apply additional coats. I applied two coats of Klasse at the end of 2014 and it only started wearing off at the beginning of the summer. Makes a great shine as well, but if you top it with a nice wax (like P21S) the shine is second to none, especially for the effort involved.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Audibot View Post
    x3. That dude is legit. Glad he did his own gig. I was just watching him work on that one airplane. OMG.



    I couldn't find the thread I posted this in, but I luckily typed it up separately.

    "Here’s the list of liquid/clay products I use (mostly Griot’s, as my buddy turned me on to them):

    • Griot’s Engine Cleaner
    • Chemical Guys Black on Black Dressing
    • Griot’s Heavy Duty Wheel Cleaner
    • Meguiar’s Gold Class Car Wash
    • Griot’s Wheel Clay
    • Griot’s Rubber Cleaner/Griot’s Rubber Prep/Black Magic Bleche-Wite Tire Cleaner
    • Griot’s Vinyl and Rubber Dressing
    • Griot’s Long Lasting Tire Dressing
    • Griot’s Speed Shine/Meguiar's Quik Detailer Cleaner
    • Griot’s Paint Prep (IPA will work just fine too)
    • Dodo Juice Car Wash/Griot’s Car Wash
    • Griot’s Paint Clay
    • Griot’s Glass Clay
    • Griot’s Machine Polishes (1-4, which 1 being compounding and 4 being for near perfect paint) — they’ve replaced these with their BOSS Lineup
    • Griot’s Polish Remover
    • BLACKFIRE Wet Diamond All Finish Paint Protection/Griot’s Paint Sealant
    • Griot’s Best of Show Wax/Griot’s PREMIUM CARNAUBA PASTE WAX
    • Stone Glass Cleaner (safe for tint)
    • Griot’s Glass Polish
    • Rain-X glass treatment
    • Griot’s Dried on Wax and Polish Remover

    Here’s a list of accessories to get the job done:

    • 4 buckets — 2 for wheels/tires/undercarriage ONLY; 2 for washing (one is a Griot’s wash bucket with grit guard and built in car wash measuring cup)
    • Razor Blade (scrape down the windows to get crap off)
    • Boar’s hair brush (wheels and undercarriage)
    • Bendable Brush (wheels and undercarriage)
    • Stiff brush (tires)
    • Microfiber car washing sponge (looks like an alien or deep sea creature with tentacles)
    • Wash sponge that has a sort of scrubby side to it. Not like scour pad, but some have a mesh-like surface—used to get hard stains and/or bugs off
    • Wash sponge I use SOLELY for below the door blades, where it can be much dirtier than above them
    • Silicone Squeegee
    • Cobra Waffle Microfiber drying towel (x2)
    • Small Mityvac air blower (for faster drying in small spaces)
    • Griot’s 6” Orbital Polisher (majority of car)
    • Griot’s 3” Orbital Polisher (small areas and hard to get places)
    • Griot’s Glass Polishing pads
    • Griot’s/Lake Country Orange Buffing pads (for polish) - 3x-4x (separate polishes/compounds get separate pads)
    • Griot’s/Lake Country Red Buffing pads (for sealant and/or wax) - 3x (sealants and waxes get different pads)
    • Griot’s/Lake Country Black Buffing pads (final wax application) - 1x
    • Set of soft, edgeless microfiber towels for wiping off the detail spray (mine are blue)
    • Set of soft, edgeless microfiber towels for wiping off polish (do not mix with varying polishes/compounds) - mine are golden color
    • Set of softer, edgeless microfiber towels for wiping off excess sealant or wax (do not mix/match) - mine are white
    • Metal polish
    • Disposable wiping clothes for metal polish (from Griot’s; pack of 100)

    And for touching up:

    • Soft microfibers, as described above
    • Griot’s Speed Shine/Meguiar’s Quik Detailer Cleaner
    • Griot’s Spray on Car Wash
    • Griot’s Spray on Wax
    • Microfiber duster (to remove pollen)
    • MR-32 microfiber wash (for cleanup)


    Make sure car is cool, preferably in shade.

    0. If you are washing the engine bay, do this first because of the potential for getting oil/grease/harsh cleaners somewhere else. And if you do this, be sure to clean the hood around the felt mat, down the insides of the fender, the radiator clip, rain tray, etc. Don’t go half-assed.

    1. Wash the wheels/tires/wheel arches. Clean the wheel arches with a bit of car wash and the boar’s hair brush. Any particulates will fall down to a dirtier area, so I start there. Then hit the wheel with Griot's Heavy Duty Wheel Cleaner, which acts just like Sonax (which I also love), except it smells like cherry instead of god awful. This'll break down the brake dust (the spray will change to a reddish-purplish color as it dissolves the dust). Agitate it around to maximize it, and leave it sit a few minutes and wash off. I usually go through a couple iterations to get this done. Use the two bucket method to avoid scrubbing or transferring more dirt and brake dust back to your car.

    If it’s your first time washing the wheel, consider removing it in order to clay bar it, as well as get all those hard to reach areas behind the lugs and on the inside. After this, use the stiff brush on the tires themselves with the car wash to help clean them more and scrub off old silicone and such. After this, I use a set of lower quality microfibers to dry off the cleaned wheel and tire to prevent spotting (or browning). Repeat for all 4 wheels (spare if you’re ambitious)

    2. Exhaust tips. Using the metal polish and disposable cloths, clean and polish the exhaust tips. This way you don’t dirty up your rear valence later.

    3. Using some detail spray, spray and razor blade each of the glass surfaces on the exterior only. This will remove build up filth (you’ll be amazed what is on there), and allow the car wash to clean even more.

    4. Spray whole car down with Paint Prep. This removes the old wax so I’m actually drilling down to the surface. If you don’t need to go that far, then you can skip this part. Isopropyl Alcohol also works wonders in this way. Rinse off the car with water when you are done to make sure all the residue is gone. IPA will also help remove sap, if that’s stuck on.

    This is also a great time to clean the inside of your gas flap, the drainage areas around the trunk (open the lid and clean around the trunk), and the very sides of the windshield (remove the two trim pieces).

    5. Time to start washing. Fill up your wash and rinse buckets (only the wash bucket should have car wash in it). Soak all your sponges, enough so they are saturated with the wash. I start off with the scrubbing-like sponge on the front bumper, grille(s), windshield, and mirrors. Basically anywhere that bugs and road crap have really impacted the car. Ring out, and then rinse the sponge (shake/massage to remove dirt) in the rinse bucket, ring again, and saturate again in the wash bucket. I also clean the wipers and underneath them here, because they are downright filthy.

    With the nice washing sponge, you want to work your way from top to bottom (or roof-down), around the car. Wash sections at a time; i.e., split the roof into quarters and wash one quarter at a time, and following the ringing/rinsing/wash procedure above. I like to do this around the car, piece by piece, until I’ve reached the height of the door blades. This includes the bottom of the doors, side skirts, lower quarters, lower front bumper, and rear valence. Be sure to rinse as you go—you don’t want the product to dry onto the car and leave spots, and it helps wash away dirt.

    On this lower area, I like to use a completely different sponge (removed the other sponges to avoid cross-contamination). Same method as above—work section by section, top-down, until it’s all clean, two-buckets, etc.

    6. Rinse off the car. I mean RINSE. Make sure nothing is left but water droplets.

    7. Dry the car. I use a silicone squeegee to remove the majority of the water, as it just slides along the surface of the car. Then I use either the Waffle towel or the blower to continue drying or do harder to reach areas.

    8. Clay bar! Kneed a chunk of clay so that it’s flat and about the same size as your 4 fingers extended. Warmer clay=easier to mold. Starting again with the roof, spray a liberal amount of detail spray both on the clay bar and surface. Slide the clay along the surface, periodically kneading it and maintaining the surface liberally coated. DO NOT APPLY PRESSURE. The clay gliding will be more than enough to pull debris from the clear coat surface. Repeat for the whole car. You should be noticing how dirty the clay is, especially if you’ve never done this before. It’s ok—keep kneading and repeating. Should be ok to finish up the whole thing. Store it in an airtight container, liberally coated with detailing spray.

    9. Polishing or Compounding. Now that the paint is clean enough to see, make sure you have a bright source (i.e., the sun or bright halogen light) to see how bad the surface is. Scratches you cannot feel do not need to be aggressively polished. Scratches you can barely feel should be polished a bit more, and deeper scratches may need compounding. If it’s been recently done, use the lightest polish you have (very minor polishing effects) or go straight to sealant. You want to start with a lighter polish across the board, and only use more aggressive polishes where absolutely necessary, and even then, you want to step down, and then back up to blend it. Polisher-wise, a medium speed is pretty good at doing this. What you want to do is apply a bit of the polish to the pad (don’t saturate it), smear it around, and stamp the surface a bit (to avoid splattering from too much polish). Place the polisher flat on the surface with very slight pressure, hold on tightly and turn her on. You want to break up the area into smaller parts (like 1/4s). Within each 1/4, picture a 4x4 grid. You’ll want to snake the polishing pattern horizontally from top corner to bottom corner (slight overlap=ok), and then vertically back to the top corner. KEEP THE POLISHER MOVING! Otherwise you can burn through the paint. Do this 2-3 times should give you good results. Re-apply polish as necessary, or between 1/4s. Once each section has been done, I like to wipe it down with your microfiber and see if any areas need more attention, either more polishing or more aggressive polish. I also like to complete the whole thing before going back. Don’t use the same pad for different levels of polish.

    10. Wipe down everything with Paint Prep or IPA to remove the old polish. Keep in mind that you JUST removed all or nearly all of your scratches, so use a very soft microfiber to avoid incurring any scratches. Some polishes may be designed to work with sealant or wax, and may not require removal. Always check.

    11. Apply sealant (skip to next if you’re just doing wax). Follow the same process for polishing, except: a. use a lower speed, and b. use a non-cutting pad. You can apply a second coat if you’d like but it may not be necessary. Wipe off with a softer microfiber. Most sealant requires a short amount of time to “cure” before applying wax. Adhere to this as closely as you can. Obviously if optimum temperature is 65 F and it’s 90 F out, the curing time will be a bit less. Some may look cloudy at first and flash off over time. Just follow the directions.

    12. Apply the wax. Same process as sealant. Multiple coats are perfectly fine (though I heard after 2 coats, it’s a waste). I like to use white microfibers to get an idea of how much wax I’m buffing off. I also have a microfiber buffing pad, but I find doing it by hand gives me better results. If you have trouble buffing off some wax because it’s dried, apply some fresh/wet wax, and then buff. Spray-on Wax is great for this too!

    13. Glass. Spray a microfiber with glass cleaner and clean each window, one at a time. For the door windows, put the window down enough to clean over the edges. For polishing: Clean windows. Mask off the adjacent areas you just polished. Apply some glass polish to the glass polishing pad, stamp, and start polishing the glass. Minimal pressure is needed. Same principle as polishing above. May need more time for deeper scratches. Just keep it moving. Repeat for the remaining windows. Wipe off, wash with glass cleaner, and apply Rain-X treatment. Don’t forget your mirrors either! You may just want to clean them, not polish.

    14. Trim. I like to get any of the black trim with the Vinyl and Rubber Trim Cleaner, as it leaves it dark and healthy looking. I’ve never had good luck with the aluminum trim on the sides, but others have.

    15. Touch-up as necessary (remove bird droppings, sap, bugs, spots, etc).

    Note: if you are applying a product like Opti-Coat or C-Quartz or any of those glass/ceramic type coatings, then you would skip Step 10 above, as the ceramic-like coating fulfills the sealant role. You can still wax on top of it though."
    My God! youre gonna make my 5 hour detail turn into a full 24 hour process now haha. And a razor blade on glass surfaces?

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    Quote Originally Posted by 616_S4 View Post
    My God! youre gonna make my 5 hour detail turn into a full 24 hour process now haha. And a razor blade on glass surfaces?

    MUAHAHAHA!! Yes, it's a big effort. Ironically, I haven't yet done it on my C5. Hopefully in the next week.

    Yes, a razor blade on the glass. Gets rid of anything that is persistent and helps cut down down higher and rougher areas caused by chips and/or blasting. That way when you polish it, it'll come out smoother. You'd also be amazed what a razor blade can lift up vs just cleaner and towel/sponge/microfiber. Make sure it's new and sharp.

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    Sonax wheel cleaner is the best I have ever used. Very nasty smelling but worth it.
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    Agree--Sonax smells terrible but it seems to be the best. The Griot's isn't that far behind, however, and it smells like cherries. Plus you get a heck of a lot more quantity!

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    Sonax wheel cleaner is the best I have ever used. Very nasty smelling but worth it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Audibot View Post
    MUAHAHAHA!! Yes, it's a big effort. Ironically, I haven't yet done it on my C5. Hopefully in the next week.

    Yes, a razor blade on the glass. Gets rid of anything that is persistent and helps cut down down higher and rougher areas caused by chips and/or blasting. That way when you polish it, it'll come out smoother. You'd also be amazed what a razor blade can lift up vs just cleaner and towel/sponge/microfiber. Make sure it's new and sharp.
    I normally just clay bar the windows as well.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Spike00513 View Post
    Prevent? I thought the laws just sort of restrict, based on overhead sunlight time? I guess it depends on your area. Or maybe is it because of runoff? Because DIY stall carwashes say car runoff is dirty, reclaimed, and recycled through them. Which brings me to my next point, they are great. Then again maybe I have blissful ignorance since I hear their brooms scratch paint? You never know who used it before you, maybe somebody who cleaned floor mats on the ground. However, I try rinsing it with the wand.
    We are never allowed to wash on the driveway regardless of time. Something to do with soaps/detergents entering the drains.

    The problem is, for one, each wash from there is at least $15. Or is that a necessary evil? I haven't calculated water and power cost of doing it at home.
    A drive-through is $7, I hear those scratch. And a pro detailer who can wash, then Iron-X, then rinse, then clay, then etc. - well we all know how much that costs.
    One even told me they like when it rains because it makes that process easier. Between-step rinse? Just roll it out into the rain. I heard rain is acidic and has industrial fallout, but I'm told this anyway.
    Rinsing my car at the wand wash before doing a rinseless wash costs me $6 MAX.

    I heard Meguiar's M105 and M205 is good for PC using some kind of orbital, but that was a while ago. Technology changes/improves.
    They are great products, although the M105 has kinda be superseded by M101. Much easier to work with. The M205 has always been great.

    Also heard that I should try Collinite 845 Insulator Wax and/or Sonax Polymer Netshield.
    Both great products. I prefer the Sonax myself. Both have lasted entire winters (harsh) for me but the Sonax self cleans better.

    This is for a B6. Been meaning to ask this question.
    So far I've just kept it simple and used any random Cleaner Wax, since the name 'Cleaner' is said to imply not only is it wax, but also some abrasive, to clean AND wax. Meaning, very finely polish, and shine with wax.
    Cleaner waxes aren't all abrasive. Some use chemicals to strip the paint to prepare for wax or whatever you're applying last.

    Does it look as good as CQuartz Finest, or offer the same protection? I bet no. But what do you expect, one is $5, the other is $80 and difficult to apply.
    I hear they only sell to dealer licenses too. Then again a quick search found me a bottle on Amazon.
    You simply cannot compare any wax (especially a cleaner wax) to a semi-permanent coating. They're not even in the same realm. There are consumer grade coatings you can apply easily yourself... Like GTechniq ExoV2

    I hear CG is a good company. I never tried that product. I heard that typically, carnauba wax is glossy but more of a pre show finish, not something to last and protect for 6 months. When does carnauba come off, max 3 months? Especially with heavy rain.
    I don't like CG products at all. A lot of it is re-bottled/re-labelled of one of their million other products. They spend a lot of time on packaging/marketing. My experience has been that their products don't do what they say. There are many wax variants. They will last different periods of time. If you want very long lasting protection you generally have to step up to some sort of sealant or coating.

    I need to restore my headlight lenses and wonder if I should use Opti-Lens after, for protection
    Yes, you need something to protect them after refinishing or they will fade quickly.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jimmer009 View Post
    Check out ammo@nyc on YouTube. I have learned a ton from watching his videos. He's very good at explaining how and what your doing.
    Agreed! AMMONYC is great. I also have an arsenal of supplies from Phil at detailersdomain (forum sponsor). Phil's customer service is unmatched and his shipping is incredibly fast/reasonable. In terms of products, right now I am all over the map. I am continually testing out products to figure out what I like best.

    Soap - Adam's Car Shampoo / Adam's Strip Wash (from detailersdomain).
    Polisher - Torq 22D, however, I am looking to upgrade to a Rupes soon.
    Clay bar - Adam's and Meguiars
    Cutting pads - Uber foam pads from detailersdomain. As noted above by Justin, chemical guys pads are junk.
    Polish - Meguiars M105 and M205 are the primary go to. I also have Adam's Compound and Finishing Polish.
    Metal polish - Adam's #1 & #2
    Wheel cleaner - Adam's and Sonax
    Tire cleaner - Adam's
    Drying paint moisturizer - Ammo Hydrate
    Coatings - Optimum gloss coat (detailersdomain) and Ammo Reflex
    Sealant - Ammo Skin and Adam's
    Wax - P21s (not using too much these days)
    Detailing spray - Kenotek and Adam's
    Vinyl / Leather - Kenotek
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    Wheel Brush - Adam's
    Two bucket method - Chemical guys and Adam's wash buckets and grit guards
    Microfiber - Uber green towels from detailersdomain
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    I'm all about keeping my car looking its best, but the level of detailing some get into is daunting. I prefer sticking mainly with the basics...

    * Rinse
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    * Wash top to bottom
    * Rinse
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    * Zymol clay bar/lube
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    * Sometimes I will get the Porter Cable DA out and use 3M Finesse It II or Meguiars Ultra Cut Polish
    * Zymol Creme Wax by hand
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    * Basic window cleaner for the glass
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