Finally Available: Neuspeed Power Module for 2.0L TSI

[ModdedEuros]

[petraman]

Not having to go get reflashed every time I go to the dealer is a very nice benefit... But it just seems like a half-assed way to make more power if it only modifies a single value. I'm sure a lot of R&D went into this, but until I see some dyno charts, I'm a bit skeptical.

[ModdedEuros]

Not having to go get reflashed every time I go to the dealer is a very nice benefit... But it just seems like a half-assed way to make more power if it only modifies a single value. I'm sure a lot of R&D went into this, but until I see some dyno charts, I'm a bit skeptical.

Has been around for a while on other platforms. We ran it on a S3 here (different part number) daily for over a year with no issues. over 25k on it

Our Dyno run
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q8E-Q2_Ri-k

[shonseb]

Hmmmm, tempting.....
So it says I can probably get another 10hp out by adding a larger turbo discharge pipe. Correct me if I'm wrong, but does that mean HFC? I wonder if I couple this with an apr HFC and down pipe, what gains could I get.....

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[ichigoismyhomie]

Hmmmm, tempting.....
So it says I can probably get another 10hp out by adding a larger turbo discharge pipe. Correct me if I'm wrong, but does that mean HFC? I wonder if I couple this with an apr HFC and down pipe, what gains could I get.....

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I agreed. This power module + HFC/TP or Carbonio intake, which one would make more power?

Would it make similar power output in comparison with typical ECU tune with the same performance parts?

I want to know because I have Carbonio intake coming next week and this power module might increase power output even more.

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[samps]

Can this be used on the Q5 as well? Install instructions on the Neuspeed website list Q5 on them. Same engine. I'm tempted to get two but would like to hear feedback on these.

[ModdedEuros]

Hmmmm, tempting.....
So it says I can probably get another 10hp out by adding a larger turbo discharge pipe. Correct me if I'm wrong, but does that mean HFC? I wonder if I couple this with an apr HFC and down pipe, what gains could I get.....

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You just stack the gains. A downpipe alone without a tune adds some horsepower. As the power module gains are done on a stock exhaust car.

Can this be used on the Q5 as well? Install instructions on the Neuspeed website list Q5 on them. Same engine. I'm tempted to get two but would like to hear feedback on these.

Yes it works on the same engine code. We have a fitment chart onsite. We just do not list out certain cars like Q's, Tiguans etc as they are not common to mod so we do not have sections onsite. But for the power module it just goes by engine code.

[A4 Centaur]

Piggy Back ECU's are the way to go. Not sure what this one does but the one from ABT:



I am running one on my Panigale from Rapid Bike. It's a 2 Lambda sensor and autunes. I will do the same once I decide on my next Audi.

[ModdedEuros]

ttt....

[Anthony1491]

Does anybody know of any reviews done on this for the b8 a4? Seems to be the only module that actually works on this car and doesn't flag td1. I'm hoping for a black Friday sale for this but it probably won't happen as it was just released

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[2k12A4]

I would definitely be interested, if I could see some dyno charts for an A4

[ModdedEuros]

I would definitely be interested, if I could see some dyno charts for an A4

What are you looking for in the dyno charts?

The gains will be there on all of the models. Happy to answer any questions you have. We ran this on our S3 here for a while (different part number) with 0 issues

[willski]

Are there many owners with feedback/reviews after long term use? Seems like a simple idea to up the boost for more power, but i'm wondering if there is anything to worry about with the ECU, a/f, timing etc when this is done?

[archangel.308]

I just put this on my A5 convertible, thier is a defined feel in response and acceleration from the car. I chose this as my wife thinks my A4 with every possible stage 2 mod is way to fast and since she gets to drive the convertible more than I do I wanted to be able to keep the TD1 flag off that car so I can exercise the turbo warranty in the future.

[ModdedEuros]

Are there many owners with feedback/reviews after long term use? Seems like a simple idea to up the boost for more power, but i'm wondering if there is anything to worry about with the ECU, a/f, timing etc when this is done?

I am actually the person here who ran it on their S3. Put maybe 25,000 miles on the module before I than flashed the car stage 2

[subzero05]

yep I agree the Piggy back seems to be the new way to go, the neuspeed one is fine for what it is and will give you a nice gain. I know Dinan is also coming out with one similar as well with Bluetooth so that will be interesting when available , More and more companies are going this route it seems

[acidvoodoo]

Wow 35/50HP! What is the torque increase?

[ND_audi]

This does not work with the GFB DV+ according to the website... sad panda.

[Anthony1491]

This does not work with the GFB DV+ according to the website... sad panda.

Where exactly?

It says stock diverter valve required on there site, but it doesn't say it doesn't work with the dv+ specifically (I think they mean an aftermarket blow off valve setup). Hopefully someone with one buys, tests and posts it here so we can find out for sure.

[forcefed7]

What are you looking for in the dyno charts?

The gains will be there on all of the models. Happy to answer any questions you have. We ran this on our S3 here for a while (different part number) with 0 issues

I'm sure this is a very nice product, as one customer has already pointed out. "The gains will be there..." What gains? I see only a peak 50HP number mentioned. On top of that, you posted a dyno video of an S3, but you're selling to the A4 demographic.
Having said that, I find it hard to believe that:
1) You don't have a dyno chart available (how else was this piggy back programmed for safe boot and A/F levels)
2) You don't understand the significance of offering a dyno chart to potential buyers for a product designed to boost power.

You mention only peak horsepower numbers. I followed the link in the OP and there is zero mention of torque.
How about area under the curve vs. stock?
How much of a torque increase is there at 1000rpm, 2000rpm, 3000rpm, etc? How about being able to see the % of increase in HP and TQ over stock at all RPM levels? This is information that will help potential buyers make an informed decision on whether they want to purchase this unit.

This sales tactic is akin to me trying to advertise and sell a custom barrel for a rifle, that I never fired to confirm my claims that it's better, but I can show you a video of me firing a pistol that I made a custom barrel for.

[acidvoodoo]

Wow 35/50HP! What is the torque increase?

I checked out Neuspeed's site and the numbers are:

Power Gain - 91 Octane Fuel (higher gains obtainable with better octane fuel):

+5 PSI / 35 HP - 45 TQ
+8 PSI / 50 HP - 60 TQ

[dbv2]

I'll get a before and after dyno of this once I get mine in the mail next week I'm hoping. I'm full bolt on currently no tune.

[ND_audi]

Where exactly?

It says stock diverter valve required on there site, but it doesn't say it doesn't work with the dv+ specifically (I think they mean an aftermarket blow off valve setup). Hopefully someone with one buys, tests and posts it here so we can find out for sure.

I would assume stock means stock as in no aftermarket dv. I could be wrong though, sure wouldn't be the first time.

[Fox Fader]

Interesting.

[ModdedEuros]

I would assume stock means stock as in no aftermarket dv. I could be wrong though, sure wouldn't be the first time.

correct. Neuspeed recommends OEM DV only

[Zach L]

I'll get a before and after dyno of this once I get mine in the mail next week I'm hoping. I'm full bolt on currently no tune.

Very interested and standing by for results... in the meantime, can you provide a mod list for your car?

[dbv2]

Very interested and standing by for results... in the meantime, can you provide a mod list for your car?

Intake
Testpipe
Front mount intercooler
Full charge piping
DV+ (which I am not exactly sure if I will dyno with it)
Trans mount insert
06E 905 115E Coils
PFR7S8EG plugs

I think that's it for power mods, stock turbo and no intake manifold upgrade. I hit a constant 16/17 psi currently. The car has CR15, every UR brace, eibach pro kit, s4 rear sway, 8 speed tip. I may be forgetting things.

[jb606]

Looks like an easy enough install.

Edit, Looks like getting to the wastegate is going to be a bit tight from the top.

[jb606]

Just got the module installed! Installation was very easy, the worst part was getting the plastic air duct out so I could get to the boost control solenoid. The only tool that was needed was a 17mm socket to get the ground lug off. If you are careful about the wire routing you may not even need the included zip ties.

No plans to dyno the car but there was a nice bump in mid/top end power. Power delivery is just as smooth as stock you just get more of it.

When I have time to do a proper install (mount the box/clean up the wires) I'll snap some photos.

Notes:
- The directions say fuel trims will adapt in 10 miles this is true. They missed the part about you need to take it kinda easy on the car for the first 10 miles. I drove the car easy for about 10 minutes or so to get everything warmed up but still ended up with a whole lot of knock and hesitation after 4k RPM on the first pull. After 5-10 miles everything smoothed out. Just take it easy.
- I don't know if the module is modifying the signal from the boost sensor or not so an OBDII scan tool might not give a "real" boost pressure.

[ModdedEuros]

^Yea when installing any modifications you should really take it easy initially just to see if everything was installed properly.

For the boost reading, your OBDII will report the wrong boost. That is why cars with a P3 VIDI for example will report wrong. The power module bypasses the ECU so the ECU will report the lower boost when its actually boosting higher

[willski]

^Yea when installing any modifications you should really take it easy initially just to see if everything was installed properly.

For the boost reading, your OBDII will report the wrong boost. That is why cars with a P3 VIDI for example will report wrong. The power module bypasses the ECU so the ECU will report the lower boost when its actually boosting higher

Is this perfectly safe? Doesn't the ecu alter air fuel ratios and timing for increased boost? Sorry, I'm pretty ignorant about tuning and dont know if all that is necessary or not.

[jb606]

Is this perfectly safe? Doesn't the ecu alter air fuel ratios and timing for increased boost? Sorry, I'm pretty ignorant about tuning and dont know if all that is necessary or not.

The ECU can adjust (trim) the fuel tables to a point so as long as the engine is running good there shouldn't be a problem. I'm taking a guess here, but if that box didn't "fix" the signal going to the boost sensor the ECU would probably end up throwing a fault and going in to limp mode. The ECU is commanding a specific boost pressure by sending a signal to the boost controller (N75?) and the boost sensor (G13?) is able to verify that everything (turbo/controller) is working correctly. The module is turning up the boost by interrupting and changing the signal going to the boost controller based on engine RPM.

[willski]

^Yea when installing any modifications you should really take it easy initially just to see if everything was installed properly.

For the boost reading, your OBDII will report the wrong boost. That is why cars with a P3 VIDI for example will report wrong. The power module bypasses the ECU so the ECU will report the lower boost when its actually boosting higher

Is this perfectly safe? Doesn't the ecu alter air fuel ratios and timing for increased boost? Sorry, I'm pretty ignorant about tuning and dont know if all that is necessary or not.

The ECU can adjust (trim) the fuel tables to a point so as long as the engine is running good there shouldn't be a problem. I'm taking a guess here, but if that box didn't "fix" the signal going to the boost sensor the ECU would probably end up throwing a fault and going in to limp mode. The ECU is commanding a specific boost pressure by sending a signal to the boost controller (N75?) and the boost sensor (G13?) is able to verify that everything (turbo/controller) is working correctly. The module is turning up the boost by interrupting and changing the signal going to the boost controller based on engine RPM.

but it can still do that even though the power module is bypassing the ECU? Are we saying that the unit bypasses certains functions of the ecu (ie cutting power and going into limp mode due to overboost) but the ECU can still alter fuel to allow for the boost increase?

[subzero05]

im very interested in this !. <Might pull the trigger, waiting on info from Dinan on their module as well that's getting released next month to see if there is any price difference or features this one doesn't have>

[ModdedEuros]

but it can still do that even though the power module is bypassing the ECU? Are we saying that the unit bypasses certains functions of the ecu (ie cutting power and going into limp mode due to overboost) but the ECU can still alter fuel to allow for the boost increase?

Yes the ECU will alter to accomodate. The module plugs into the MAP and Boost sensor.

[jb606]

but it can still do that even though the power module is bypassing the ECU? Are we saying that the unit bypasses certains functions of the ecu (ie cutting power and going into limp mode due to overboost) but the ECU can still alter fuel to allow for the boost increase?

Yes, at the end of the day the ECU still controls fuel and spark. If the ECU detects the poo is about to hit the fan it will pull one or both to save the engine (as it did in my case).

[willski]

interesting, sounds like the best bang for buck mod for a 2.0t... (APR is $1500+ in AUS)

[Hybrid81]

Berger will be releasing a piggyback for the B8 A4 in Q1.

Will be interesting to see how the 2 stack up.

[shonseb]

Wow all these piggy backs coming out. First Neuspeed, then Dinan, now Berger? I'm most excited about the Berger. Since these are all bolt on, someone can technically put each of them on one car, drive around for 20 miles and then dyno and compare

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[Hybrid81]

Makes sense. It seems like VAG has made some changes with regards to how they view modding. Piggybacks will quickly rise in popularity as a result.

It's a good thing whether you like this kind of mod or not. More options are better and they drive companies that would otherwise get lazy to innovate or lose business.

I'm waiting for reviews on the Nuespeed but I, too, will probably hold out for Berger. I like keeping my warranty intact, especially given the common problems that seem to plague B8's.


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