Another f21 m/f build

[f4m0u5]

Bought the car in septeember 2014 with 127k on the clock.Car needed alot of maintenance.

-Cel was on for o2 sensors Exhaust was snapped at the flex pipes
-Front calipers both had 1 frozen piston
-Brakelines were frayed
-Loud Wheel bearing
-Bad front controll arms
-1 bent rim, 1 bubbled tire

Bought the car and went to work on it!



Started off with taking care of all the above problems to start:
-New o2 sensors
-Meyle hd controll arm kit
-New rear wheel bearing
-Replaced pixleized lcd
-Rebuilt front and rear calipers and ecs ss brake lines along with drilled/ slotted rottors and new pads
-And a nice set of alzor wheels with falken tires



Then started fixing new issues upgrading along the way in the next 2 years(totaling over $12,000) :

-To start the exhaust once welded up was WAYYY to quiet. Got a milltek turbo back downpipes with cats and 3" cat back
-Starter went, so payed to have the tb done water pump, tensioners, vcgs, ccts, cam plugs, cam seals, thermostat and new updated housing,Serpentine belt/tentioner
-O34 street motor mounts and track tranny mounts and the snub/cage
-Ecs rear dif mount
-O34 rear dif bushings
-Clutch started to slip... so in went a Spec stage 3+ clutch disk and rs4 pp w/ dmfw
-Samco boost hoses
-Sms port and stage 2 tune w race gas file
-Customized stock shifter and added jhm stiff bushings
-Drive shaft center bearing and oem boots/joints
-O34 tbb
- Blistein hd shocks
-Replaced Rusted stock rear upper strut mounts
-034 front strut mounts
- Got rid of the bovs and put forge 007s w/ updated pistons and new o rings.
-Another set of wheels and tires... (year old alzors cracked)
-New hitatchi maf
-New suction jet pump
-Darintake with k&n filter
-Tranny flush with fuchs
-Rear dif flush with motul
-Brake fluid flush
-Boost gauge
-Touch screen pioneer
-Rs4 grill painted brilliant black
-Ect ect
Prob missing alot more





Tried to sell car and then got silicone in coolant line day before vehicle left and blew a turbo........And now is where it starts!


How my car is sitting now.

Now for parts ordered
-F21 mixed flows w/inlets
-Bosch ev14 550cc injectors
-New oil lines
-New O2 sensor ( other one was coverd in oil from turbo blowing)
-Replace cam plugs again
-DW300 fuel pump with rewire kit
-Used awe intercoolers
-New egt boards (figured i could use them with bigger turbos to check on things)
-Another O34 tbb
-Also got a aem w/m kit incase i want to use it
-Newest aem wideband
-Solomotorsports 85mm maf


The only things i think i Need to order are:
-Upgrade my solomotorsporrts tune to stage 3
-Lastly bipipes when i start to use the meth kit


After ordering all these above new parts and suplies for build it came out to $5000+!

[Whiplash_89]

Looking good.

[DieselElectric]

W/M in case you want to use it?

Dude. You will want to use it.

Just this morning in 75* weather. F21s+methanol.



If you aren't too worried about popping a turbo, these things can perform when pushed.

[f4m0u5]

Looking good.

Thank you!

W/M in case you want to use it?

Dude. You will want to use it.

Just this morning in 75* weather. F21s+methanol.



If you aren't too worried about popping a turbo, these things can perform when pushed.

Im scared to blow something haha, babys due in 8 weeks cant pull motor back out lol

Plus dont like the fact if the w/m stopped working he engine would end up blowing(cant afford the failsafe right now) So i was thinking of using the w/m for cooling only. Maybe have 2 seperate tunes. One for 93 and one for 93+ meth

Lastlyn dont know if ill need the money from the meth kit to finish up anything else needed on car

(I already sold my ps4/ all games, my second set of rims, and evrything else i dont use thats laying around haha)

next was thinking of sellong my stove, fridge and washer dryer!! Jk lol

What boost are you running?

[DieselElectric]

25-26psi through mine.

I have had a pump fail when I was still on my k03's.

When it did I instantly noticed the lack of power, and the wideband indicated a pretty lean condition. Caught it before any damage was done.

Also, while I'm new to Nefmoto, you can have your car tuned so that under heavy corrections, it will enrich the fuel. I've thought about setting this up to where it will richen to the point of flooding the cylinder/misfires as a crude fail safe.

Haven't looked into it much yet, though.

[RedDefiance]

Sub'd!


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[hotshot32890]

good to see another Boston local

[f4m0u5]

25-26psi through mine.

I have had a pump fail when I was still on my k03's.

When it did I instantly noticed the lack of power, and the wideband indicated a pretty lean condition. Caught it before any damage was done.

Also, while I'm new to Nefmoto, you can have your car tuned so that under heavy corrections, it will enrich the fuel. I've thought about setting this up to where it will richen to the point of flooding the cylinder/misfires as a crude fail safe.

Haven't looked into it much yet, though.

Very nice! Im not sure how hard i want to push these things yet. My best bets probably going to be useing 2 tunes. 1 with and one without meth. Since i have thw flash loader its not to bad to switch between when i want the extra power. Less wear on the w/m setup and can drive without haveing to carry extra w/m around

Sub'd!


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Thank you!

good to see another Boston local

Thanks! Same to you, Would love to see ur s4 some time

[f4m0u5]

Cut partof fender for intercooler install


Removed stock fuel pump



Moved my boost gauge over from the steering column







Lastly help please, where do you get a bulkhead like this one in 034 aem kit to use with stock windshield washer resivoir? Or do you use a rubber grommet instead?

[vavJETTAw36]

Wouldn't you want it at the bottom of the tank? Gravity fed. The pump should also be lower than the tank.


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[DieselElectric]

You should really reconsider your methanol setup.

I had a pump fail, AFAIK it was due to under hood temps. I replaced the pump and reconfigured to the photo above, and haven't had an issue since. It is a bitch to fill, but a 2.5 gallon tank lasts quite a while.

[f4m0u5]

You should really reconsider your methanol setup.

I had a pump fail, AFAIK it was due to under hood temps. I replaced the pump and reconfigured to the photo above, and haven't had an issue since. It is a bitch to fill, but a 2.5 gallon tank lasts quite a while.

Ill look into it but not really trying to have meth going through the interior of car through a nylon tube

Wouldn't you want it at the bottom of the tank? Gravity fed. The pump should also be lower than the tank.


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I reread that like 8 times. Your right it does say something about pump being lower then the lowest fluid point. But not about having thenfluid gravity fed... But dont you think o34 would be smart enough to set up the plug n play w/m setup that will function correctly? They put the pump next to power steering resivoir. Then fed that tube to bottem of windshild res. So the pump is hogher then the lowest fluid level....

[vavJETTAw36]

Ill look into it but not really trying to have meth going through the interior of car through a nylon tube

It doesn't run through the interior. It runs next to how the fuel runs from the rear to the front. Sure, it's sitting in the trunk but it's also in plastic and not to mention most use a 50/50 setup, which is not flammable.


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[DieselElectric]

Eh, mine does run through the inside... and is definitely flammable 80/20.

That said, I do understand the concern as I was as well.

My biggest fear with it is getting into an accident where the line gets severed and the ground wire being shorted to the body (pump on). That's enough doom for me.

I have considered running a hard line under the body though along the fuel lines. As it is I don't trust the nylon to be outside as I feel that creates a larger risk of severing in the event of an accident.

[DieselElectric]

On a side note, I use smelly shit for my methanol so a leak would be obvious.

Currently, it smells like piña colada.

[vavJETTAw36]

On a side note, I use smelly shit for my methanol so a leak would be obvious.

Currently, it smells like piña colada.

Pouring in part of your abundant stash of Malibu?


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[DieselElectric]

Probably would work lol.

Nah an old racer told me about the stuff, and they happen to sell it where I buy my Methanol.

[vavJETTAw36]

Probably would work lol.

Nah an old racer told me about the stuff, and they happen to sell it where I buy my Methanol.

That's pretty cool. I like that idea.


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[f4m0u5]

Sorry jetta i replied to what u said i just had it inbetween ur quotes so it didnt show it normal I said:

I reread that like 8 times. Your right it does say something about pump being lower then the lowest fluid point. But not about having thenfluid gravity fed... But dont you think o34 would be smart enough to set up the plug n play w/m setup that will function correctly? They put the pump next to power steering resivoir. Then fed that tube to bottem of windshild res. So the pump is hogher then the lowest fluid level....



Is there realy a problem with having it suck out of the tankfrom top since it doesnt say anything about it? and is having pump higher really a problem? Dont seem that way since thats how 034 been doing it

[f4m0u5]

The 2 sets of directions show different things. One just says that ur tank needs to be lower then injection point. The other says the pump must be at or below lowest fluid level.... so wivh one is it??

[vavJETTAw36]

Sorry jetta i replied to what u said i just had it inbetween ur quotes so it didnt show it normal I said:

I reread that like 8 times. Your right it does say something about pump being lower then the lowest fluid point. But not about having thenfluid gravity fed... But dont you think o34 would be smart enough to set up the plug n play w/m setup that will function correctly? They put the pump next to power steering resivoir. Then fed that tube to bottem of windshild res. So the pump is hogher then the lowest fluid level....



Is there realy a problem with having it suck out of the tankfrom top since it doesnt say anything about it? and is having pump higher really a problem? Dont seem that way since thats how 034 been doing it

I've seen guys have the pump under the windshield cowls pumping from the windshield washer fluid reservoir... It's a pump so it's able to pump. But I believe the idea is why give the pump more work to do during high load times. And why the extra stress on a mission critical part (if you are running no fail safes and on the edge timing).

I think the pump setup like you describe would be fine. It sounds barely elevated.


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[vavJETTAw36]

The 2 sets of directions show different things. One just says that ur tank needs to be lower then injection point. The other says the pump must be at or below lowest fluid level.... so wivh one is it??

That is two different things. Injection point would be your bi pipes. So they want your tank to be level or below your Bipipe meth bungs.

Your lowest fluid level would wherever you want it but anyway you look at it, the fluid would be falling into the pump as opposed to having to suck it.


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[f4m0u5]

That is two different things. Injection point would be your bi pipes. So they want your tank to be level or below your Bipipe meth bungs.

Your lowest fluid level would wherever you want it but anyway you look at it, the fluid would be falling into the pump as opposed to having to suck it.


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I know i understand thatn but why does one set of instructions show it must be lower then injection point and say nothing to do with it being lower then the fluid level. But the other instructions talks about the complete opposite.

They are both for the aem w/m kit but one with a included tank and one with no tank included

[FlyboyS4]

My biggest fear with it is getting into an accident where the line gets severed and the ground wire being shorted to the body (pump on). That's enough doom for me.

I think you're more likely to be killed outright in an accident than for those series of events to occur.

I run mine, 50/50 mix, through the cabin and don't worry about it. Of course I have an A-pillar mounted boost gauge, so I live dangerously.

[vavJETTAw36]

Looks to me like an oversight. The second instruction elaborated more on what the meant by "the pump must be mounted at the same area as the tank".


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[vavJETTAw36]

I think you're more likely to be killed outright in an accident than for those series of events to occur.

I run mine, 50/50 mix, through the cabin and don't worry about it. Of course I have an A-pillar mounted boost gauge, so I live dangerously.

Airbags? My first mod was weight reduction. Getting rid of those old bags.


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[DieselElectric]

As long as you have a check valve, and purge the system of air, you should be OK.

[f4m0u5]

Installed wideband and moved my boost gauge to the vent w. The w/m indicator led next to it(still need to take a little material off vent to have gauge go in deeper or get a black gauge/ paint the old one), intalled the w/m controller with a on off switch in glovebox, replaced the egt boards, flushed gas tank and cleaned oit debris, installed dw300 fuel pump and deatschwerks fuel pump rewire




Lastly.... got my turbos in today! Super excited! THANKS ALOT DOUG!

[DieselElectric]

Wow, big difference from the last gen f21's.

[christianb5s4]

Great progress! Those turbos look wicked, K04 framed hybrids are a great balance of power vs spool on these engines which makes the car a lot of fun.

[Believer]

If I'm looking at where you've inserted your meth draw point on the tank correctly, wouldn't you 'run out' of fluid rather quickly, with it being so close to the top of the tank?

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[Dan[FN]6262]

If I'm looking at where you've inserted your meth draw point on the tank correctly, wouldn't you 'run out' of fluid rather quickly, with it being so close to the top of the tank?

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Yes. Worst possible location. Pump has to be gravity fed for best results

[FlyboyS4]

If I'm looking at where you've inserted your meth draw point on the tank correctly, wouldn't you 'run out' of fluid rather quickly, with it being so close to the top of the tank?

I had something similar on a previous setup, inside the tank I had a line that then ran to the bottom.

[Believer]

I had something similar on a previous setup, inside the tank I had a line that then ran to the bottom.

That still doesn't provide a gravity feed to the pump though. Better than nothing but the pusher pumps work best with a true gravity feed as far as I understand.

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[DieselElectric]

As long as you have a good seal on the lines to the pump, it will hold it's prime and should be fine.

Not ideal, but people seem to run this way alot.

[FlyboyS4]

That still doesn't provide a gravity feed to the pump though. Better than nothing but the pusher pumps work best with a true gravity feed as far as I understand.

Any idea what aspect(s) of pump performance would differ, and by how much, between a setup with a line to the bottom of the reservoir and your recommended setup?

[Believer]

Any idea what aspect(s) of pump performance would differ, and by how much, between a setup with a line to the bottom of the reservoir and your recommended setup?

Well, I'm no engineer so this is really just my limited understanding. I would think if the pump requires the fluid to be fed by the force of gravity that once the level is beneath where the line comes into the tank, gravity is now working against the feed. My understanding of a 'pusher' pump is that there is no mechanism inside the pump to pull fluid towards it without a gravity feed. I did not engineer these things but am inclined to trust the instructions that suggest (at least my Devils Own kit) the pump be gravity fed for best performance of the pump. If the siphon method works great for you I cannot argue that.

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[f4m0u5]

Thanks for input guys!


Can you install the motor from underneath the car with the franken turbo oversized inlets installed?

If not the entire inlet atleast bottem section?

Seems like its going to be close

[f4m0u5]

Got the turbos installed!!
Was spending alot of time this weekend fitting the inlets perfectly Lined up




Any one know if the bottrm portion of the f21 inlets clear the frame of car that the bumber supprts and stuff screws into?

[f4m0u5]

Great progress! Those turbos look wicked, K04 framed hybrids are a great balance of power vs spool on these engines which makes the car a lot of fun.

Thanks! Ya i cant wait to drive the car! Its been forever....

Wow, big difference from the last gen f21's.

Wow def a big difference, i wonder how much im going to hate the spool difference between k03s and the new f21s