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    Veteran Member Three Rings Wagonholic's Avatar
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    Hi all. In case you haven't already figured it out, this is a build thread. I've written quite the lengthy backstory, so if you wish to see all the build porn, scroll down

    Some back story:

    I purchased the car back in February of 2014 from North Carolina. It was a well sorted 2001 B5 S4 Avant in Laser Red with a 6-speed manual transmission. Despite being an east coast car for pretty much its entire life, it was very clean, with minimal rust. Most importantly, ALL (and I mean ALL) maintenance was up to date, and it was a fairly freshly built car. It had a freshly rebuilt transmission, brand new BW K04s, and an OTS AWE fueling kit and tune (along with all supporting mods). It sat on a Bilstein/H&R cup kit and had Brembo/Porsche 18z calipers up front with the ECS rear brake upgrade. A very well sorted car, I had intended to drive it as it was. But as we all know, a car guy (and especially a B5 S4 owner) cannot stay away from touching or fiddling with the car. The car wouldn't stay like this for long.

    Here's how the car looked like when I first picked her up. I was younger, and completely clueless to the adventure that was to come. I knew how to work on cars (I was only 16 at the time (not my first car)) but never something as complex or complicated as an Audi. I had prior experience on my dad's boosted E36 M3 and his 911, but it was very limited).

    Brought her all the back to California from North Carolina. Unfortunately, I was too busy at the time so I just had the car shipped over.
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    In the next year, I added a JHM SS and SSAC Twin1 Catback (Car came with AWE Downpipes). Nothing much, but everything was DIY'd (as I can only make so much money with a high school job lol) and started to prepare me for what was to come.

    In the winter of 2014, I decided that it was time for more power. I upgraded to Bosch EV14 550cc injectors, an 85mm MAF, and got into contact with Aaron Walizer (aka STUKLR) for tuning. He dialed in the car and it ripped pretty hard (at least for 91). Eventually, I added methanol injection and tuned for it as well.

    I also threw on a set of Bilstein PSS9 Coilovers to help sharpen the handling as well.

    That's pretty much the end of the backstory. For almost the past year, the car has basically sat like this. The final setup was as follows:
    • OEM BorgWarner K04 Turbochargers
    • Bosch EV14 550cc Injectors
    • Custom STUKLR Tuned on 91+Methanol
    • 01E Transmission built by AA
    • B5 RS4 LUK Clutch assembly with AWE LWFW
    • Walbro 450 Fuel Pump
    • Bilstein PSS9 Coilovers
    • RS4 engine mounts
    • Brembo/Porsche 18z front brakes with ECS rear brake upgrade
    • 22mm Rear Sway bar
    • AWE SMIC
    • AEM W/M Injection system with Aquamist nozzles
    • Misc. Mods such as Bi-xenon retrofit, tints, radar detector, etc.
    • Basically all supporting mods that go along

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    Fast forward to now, I just finished my first year of college. I'm also a somewhat more mature (lol!) 18-year old adult with responsibilities. With the combination of studying, working, and saving up and not touching the car modwise for the past several months, I suddenly had some extra cash saved up. I've always wanted to do an RS6/Big turbo style setup, but never actually thought I'd have the opportunity to do something like this. It'll also keep me nice and busy during the summer lol. I love how quickly K03/K04 turbos spooled (minimal lag) but always wished they didn't die off at higher RPMs. In addition, the car was due for some major maintenance (timing belt, coolant fresh, etc) so I decided to use that as an excuse to do a build. I bought a fast car, improved on what I could....NOW IT WAS TIME FOR ME TO BUILD A BEAST.

    Over the past 6-8 months, I've done my research, enlisted the help of several close friends, and jumped on deals whenever they popped up on the classifieds. I have decided the following to be my final new setup:
    • SRM K24/RS6 Hybrid Turbochargers
    • RPM Rods
    • Bosch FID 1000cc Injectors
    • Walbro 450 Fuel pump
    • 2.8 Cams
    • Custom Tuning by STUKLR on 91, 91/meth, and E85
    • AWE SMIC
    • White Dog Racing Custom BiPipe
    • AEM Water/Methanol Injection
    • Southbend Stage IV Extreme Clutch with AWE LWFW
    • Stern Motor and Transmission Mounts
    • JHM Trio Shifter Package
    • Gates/ECS Timing Belt Kit
    • R8/2.0T Coil Conversion
    • Modified Catless AWE Downpipes (changing flanges to RS6) and SSAC Twin1 Exhaust
    • ALL Maintenance Done (rod bearings, gaskets, seals, etc)
    • FCP Euro Front Control Arms


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    I chose the SRM K24/RS6 hybrids because I wanted to lose as little of the spool that K04s are famous for. With the fact that I'm doing rods, limiting torque shouldn't be as big of an issue as stock block builds. I've seen E85 Stock Block K24 cars rip, so I can't wait to see what I can achieve. I will be doing ALL work (except machine shop work) by myself and with friends. This is the first time I've attempted something like this, so this will be interesting.

    Mileage at the time of teardown was 136XXX. Car ran flawlessly up until teardown. My dad thinks I'm crazy for taking apart a perfectly running car I have spent so much time and love working on it. Oh well, you only live once.

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    Last I finally pulled the engine and trans. Had some friends come over and we got it out. Honestly, it was super fun and wasn't too difficult at all
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    Engine out!
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    Obligatory group photo. I'm in the purple shirt. For 4 out of the 5 of us (only four of us are in the picture, one of my friends had to leave right before this) this was the first time we've ever pulled a motor on a car of any type. My friend laying on the floor has had 6 B5s and has pulled the motor several times prior. Can't thank Randy enough...
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    This past week, I've been working slowly on the car. I'm out of class for the summer, so other than working and taking some summer classes, I've just been slowly working on the car.

    Turbos were absolutely spotless. ZERO shaft play and ZERO dents on the fins. (The coolant on the driver's side turbo was from an exploded coolant hose haha). Once they are cleaned up, they could be mistaken for a pair of brand new turbos. I ran the car on a 22psi tune, changed oil every 5-7k using Mobil1 0w-40, and ensured proper warm up and cool down. They will be for sale soon.
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    I wasn't too crazy about warm up/cool down either. I would cold start the car in the morning, let the revs settle, say under 3k/out of boost until the coolant was up to temp, and then tried to stay under 5psi (or out of boost whenever possible) until the oil registered 175 degrees. For cool down, I just took the last miles easy. I also pretty much hit redline/full boost almost every time I drove. This car was never babied, and never will be. What's the point of building a fast car if you're never going to use it?

    Got the engine on the stand
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    Valve Covers off. Looks pristine inside.
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    Removed intake manifold
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    Obligatory "I think I know what I'm doing" selfie
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    Got the heads off. Minimal carbon buildup, and the factory hone/cross-hatching is still visible on the cylinder walls. The factory printing is still visible on the tops of the pistons as well. Basically looks brand new inside. Water/meth injection really helps keep things clean. The heads/valves are in great shape as well.
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    As of today (6/18/16) (and writing of the thread) I have removed both heads, lower and upper oil pan, oil pump, timing belt, and a lot of random crap. Never realized how small the block actually is. It's hard to believe this motor made such a great sound and was the source of so many good memories over the past two years.
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    Tomorrow is father's day, so I'll probably take a break and spend some time with my dad. I suggest you all do the same as well. Though he does enjoy this kind of stuff. I guess I get it from him.

    I'm waiting on my turbos from Sean, but other than that everything seems to be going smoothly. Heads are going off to the machine shop next week; I'm still debating on whether or not I should do new valve seals (mine are flawless, and I know they can last a while). But then again, I might as well do them while the heads are off. Thoughts?

    In the entire time I've had this car, I never had any major issues with it. I wouldn't hesitate to drive it cross-country on a moment's notice. After this build, I hope to keep it the same way. It just goes to show that if you keep these cars well maintained, they can go a long way.

    I also will have a lot of "Stage 3" parts for sale, if you're interested feel free to inquire. I will be creating ads for the parts in a couple of weeks. If you're in need of something, I probably have it lol.
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    Justin
    I have a major problem, I'm a boost addict and a wagon addict
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    B5 S4 Avant - Laser Red. 6-speed Manual. 1 of 18. Unleashed by STUKLR
    Going big or going home. Doing a garage build. View my build thread.
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    looks like there are gonna be some pretty strong S4s in SoCal very soon. I was told 1000cc injectors for K24s on E85, might want to check on that.

    Looking forward to the results! GL 👍

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    Quote Originally Posted by y3ti View Post
    looks like there are gonna be some pretty strong S4s in SoCal very soon. I was told 1000cc injectors for K24s on E85, might want to check on that.

    Looking forward to the results! GL 👍
    Ah, my bad. Typo on my part lol. I will be using Bosch FID 1000cc injectors (from SRM), not 550cc.
    Justin
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    Your car is clean man props for keeping it in great shape. Your build list looks good. You will be happy with the Srm k24s they are a good fit for our cars. Good luck with the build man it's going to be a fun car when your done.

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    You're wearing a UW shirt in one of your photos. Do you go there? Have fun on the build!
    Past (in order): Hibiscus Red B5 A4 ,2003 Audi RS6, B6 s4, UrQuattro, Urs4, Nogaro sport B5 S4 avant, Silver stg 3 B5 s4, 2010 A6 Avant prestige

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    I've always enjoyed reading a build thread like this!

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    Sounds cool, i would probably do rs6 coils instead and a used APR bipipe because they are easier/cheaper
    the B5 S4 is like the mafia... there is only one way out!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Corradovolksb View Post
    Your car is clean man props for keeping it in great shape. Your build list looks good. You will be happy with the Srm k24s they are a good fit for our cars. Good luck with the build man it's going to be a fun car when your done.
    Chose the K24s because they don't sacrifice that much spool over K04s but push so much more air at the top end

    Quote Originally Posted by Eurotuned_A4 View Post
    You're wearing a UW shirt in one of your photos. Do you go there? Have fun on the build!
    Went there for a bit my Freshman year. Ended up transferring back to CA midway, just missed home a bit too much. Seattle is a great place and I need to go back and visit soon again.

    Quote Originally Posted by vavJETTAw36 View Post
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    Quote Originally Posted by darrenho View Post
    I've always enjoyed reading a build thread like this!
    Well I'll make sure to keep it updated for everyone's enjoyment ;)

    Quote Originally Posted by MacDaddy View Post
    Sounds cool, i would probably do rs6 coils instead and a used APR bipipe because they are easier/cheaper
    I can get the R8/2.0T coils super cheap from my friend at the dealer, and I already have the plates. In the end it's probably the same stuff anyway.

    I hate APR and would never run any of their products on my car lol. Plus I got into contact with Craig way back when he just started marketing these pipes, so when it was time for me to buy one, he gave me a price I couldn't refuse. Ended up being cheaper than a used APR unit. The price some people I also like the way he sets up the throttle body...much less chance of damaging it with install/removal. In addition, they come with meth bungs already, whereas I would have to tap the APR bi-pipe. Finally, and most importantly, the craftsmanship that went into the pipe is second to none and the customer service Craig provided was amazing. I highly recommend his piece, and it should be the go-to option now.

    Thank you for the kind words everyone! I'll do my best to keep this updated.
    Justin
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    B5 S4 Avant - Laser Red. 6-speed Manual. 1 of 18. Unleashed by STUKLR
    Going big or going home. Doing a garage build. View my build thread.
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    Did you have to trim your fan at all to run the WDR bi-pipe? Their website says you need to with the 54mm version and then delete it wit all other versions.

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    This is wicked. Good job dude, nothing like a fast, clean avant!

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    Veteran Member Three Rings Wagonholic's Avatar
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    Quote Originally Posted by skip01b5 View Post
    Did you have to trim your fan at all to run the WDR bi-pipe? Their website says you need to with the 54mm version and then delete it wit all other versions.
    I'm deleting the fan anyway and doing an EFK. Which was my original plan all along. I did a test fit with the clutch fan and with some fondling and massaging, as well as some trimming it could possibly barely fit. I'd recommend you do the same as well since the stock clutch fan is a POS anyway.

    Quote Originally Posted by funkin View Post
    This is wicked. Good job dude, nothing like a fast, clean avant!
    Thank you man. I'm also debadging the car and removing any stickers. So a plain old red wagon. Should be pretty steathly (at least for a red car lol).
    Justin
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    B5 S4 Avant - Laser Red. 6-speed Manual. 1 of 18. Unleashed by STUKLR
    Going big or going home. Doing a garage build. View my build thread.
    #YEengineering

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    Happy father's day to all the dads out there, including mine. I got some morning work done on the car. A major milestone in the build today.

    Pistons and rods are out and look great. Cylinder walls are clean and so are the cylinders and rings. Crank is in good shape as well.

    Pistons and rods. Each one is labeled on the piece of paper to ensure they go back into their proper respective cylinders. Next step is to remove the pistons from the rods...I've heard separating the wrist-pin c-clip is fun. Lol we'll see how that goes. If anyone has any tips on that please share
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    Crank looks great. Not gonna touch it any further.
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    Cylinders 1-2-3
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    Cylinders 4-5-6
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    Going to use a razor blade to carefully clean the block deck to ensure proper sealing of the new headgasket. Other than that, I believe disassembly is pretty much done. Heads will be going off to the machine shop sometime this week, and hopefully I'll start reassembly at the end of the week!
    Justin
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    B5 S4 Avant - Laser Red. 6-speed Manual. 1 of 18. Unleashed by STUKLR
    Going big or going home. Doing a garage build. View my build thread.
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    I literally just did this 2 weekends ago. I put a towel over the wristpin and pried them out. I didn't find it to be terrible. When I put them back in, I closed the gap of the c-clip a little with a set of pliers, which helped to get them back in. One tip, spend the money on the Apr Ring Compression Sleeve, it made popping the pistons in so easy. Also, if you haven't decided yet, I would recommend flex honing the cylinders to make sure that the rings will seal correctly going back in, you need an 3 1/4" (83mm), 180 grit hone, cost was ~$30 on amazon.

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    Flex hone before and after



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    2000 Laser Red Stage III+

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    Veteran Member Three Rings Wagonholic's Avatar
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    Quote Originally Posted by HighPsi(NorCal) View Post
    I literally just did this 2 weekends ago. I put a towel over the wristpin and pried them out. I didn't find it to be terrible. When I put them back in, I closed the gap of the c-clip a little with a set of pliers, which helped to get them back in. One tip, spend the money on the Apr Ring Compression Sleeve, it made popping the pistons in so easy. Also, if you haven't decided yet, I would recommend flex honing the cylinders to make sure that the rings will seal correctly going back in, you need an 3 1/4" (83mm), 180 grit hone, cost was ~$30 on amazon.

    Arp Sleeve -
    Looks like weisco makes one of those as well, thanks for the suggestion.

    As for removing the c-clip, did just use a flathead or were any other special tools used?

    As for honing the cylinders, I've decided that I'll reuse the rings and just put them back in (after cleaning and verifying that they're within spec) to keep things simple. They're in great shape as well. Trying to avoid touching the crank since I've heard that can cause many issues down the road. I do have a set of Grant rings sitting at home just in case I end up changing my mind though.
    Last edited by Wagonholic; 06-19-2016 at 06:04 PM.
    Justin
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    B5 S4 Avant - Laser Red. 6-speed Manual. 1 of 18. Unleashed by STUKLR
    Going big or going home. Doing a garage build. View my build thread.
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    I just used a small pick and a small flathead screwdriver when I took the wrist pin clips out. There's a little spot in the piston where you can get behind the clip easily and get the first side out with the pick then work around it with the flathead. I definitely recommend wearing some safety goggles, having the side you're working on not facing you, and having some cardboard and/or rags to catch the clips when they come out. They definitely come out with some force and can be lost easily. Luckily they are cheap..its been a few months but if I remember correctly they are less than 50 cents each. I replaced all of them as I lost a few in the process and for piece of mind.

    Reinstalling them is essentially the opposite, but a good bit more difficult imo. Far from impossible, but it takes a some patience.

    Also, I don't recommend taking the wrist pins all the way out of the Pistons. I took two of mine out entirely and wound up having to put them in the freezer for like 2 days to get them back in place. The rest I only pushed the wrist pins out enough to remove and replace the rods, and that went really smooth.

    I personally would, and did replace the rings while I was in there. Especially since you already have them. You can buy a ring galling tool at jegs for like $35ish. It's really simple to use, just take your time. I'd offer to send you mine, but you'd be looking at probably close to half that much shipping back and forth. Kinda seems pointless for such a cheap tool.

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    I just used a flathead and pried from where the notch is at, once it comes out, it comes out with some velocity, which is why i put the rag over it, i had the first 1 bounce of the ceiling, a few walls and came to rest in the room down the hall.

    I used the grant rings as well as all new bearings in the crank. Measured both axial and radial play. The machinist that does all our shops heads and blocks recommended that if everything spec'd out, to flex hone to break the glaze and run with it. He stressed the importance of getting the abravise grit out, his exact words "clean really, really, really good, preferrably remove the crank, and do all new bearings." I went with glyco bearings, cost maybe $70 total (amazon prime) plus either arp mains stud or stocks bolts.
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    ^^^excellent point. Clean everything until you're positive there's not a speck of anything...and then clean it about 80 times more. Lint free rags and compressed air is your friend.

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    Solid project you decided to tackle Justin, looking forward to seeing the end result. Good luck!

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    looks good. in for results
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    Awesome. Excited for you! Following :)

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    Thanks for all of the kind words. I'm having way too much fun with the build (is it normal that I actually enjoy working on a 2.7t? lol)

    A few question...What's the best way to get the cams out of the heads (heads are already off the car). I also still have not removed the camshaft gear/sprocket yet. Need to remove the cams so I can send the heads out to get machined.

    Finally, I had one aftermarket axle on the car that was a POS. Literally fell apart when I removed it from the car. If anyone could help me source an OEM 6-speed front driver (left) axle, that would be great. I don't want that being the thing that holds up the build when it's time to button everything back together.
    Justin
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    Going big or going home. Doing a garage build. View my build thread.
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    A lot of people have success with raxles. Rebuilt oem units and I think they were like 200-300 last time I got a quote.

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    ^ but you need to have an oem axle as a core.

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    Yes you do. I believe I have found a set though, will be picking them up this weekend if all goes well
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    200 if you have a core to send back. 300 with out a core to send back.

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    Awesome Justin, was wondering when you'd throw a build thread up here! Can't wait to see the results, going to be one heck of a wagon.
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    Is this the one Matt Farah drove? Looking forward to this build!!

    Also did you leave the transmission in when you pulled it?

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    Quote Originally Posted by CJ_ View Post
    Is this the one Matt Farah drove? Looking forward to this build!!

    Also did you leave the transmission in when you pulled it?
    Idk how people get the engine and transmission to pull back together with the transmission still in the car. The 2.7 is the only engine that takes gobs of force to come together. The 454 in my chevelle just falls into place and comes apart the same way haha.

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    What did you end up setting your piston ring gaps to?

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    I set my grant rings to:

    Ring 1 = .48mm
    Ring 2 = .60mm
    Ring 3 = .40mm (I didn't have to touch this ring(s) as this was the gap that they came with)

    Spec for Ring 1 per Audi manual is:
    .35-50mm wear limit 1.0mm

    Ring 2
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    Ring 3
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    Quote Originally Posted by christianb5s4 View Post
    Awesome Justin, was wondering when you'd throw a build thread up here! Can't wait to see the results, going to be one heck of a wagon.
    Thanks Christian, we gotta set up a meet or something once I'm done. I'm taking it slowly since I'm in no rush. Don't want to make any mistakes lol.

    Quote Originally Posted by CJ_ View Post
    Is this the one Matt Farah drove? Looking forward to this build!!

    Also did you leave the transmission in when you pulled it?
    Yes, this is the one he drove. In case is anyone is wondering, the answer is no, he will not be driving it again ;)

    Engine and tranny was pulled as a single unit. Separated them outside of the car so the tranny isn't pictured. I will be installing the JHM trio linkages and doing a 4:1 center diff while it's all apart. I have a source for the washers if you're interested.

    Quote Originally Posted by Audi9 View Post
    What did you end up setting your piston ring gaps to?
    I will be reusing my piston rings since they're in great shape. That way I won't need to touch/remove the crank and get a hone.

    Quote Originally Posted by HighPsi(NorCal) View Post
    I set my grant rings to:

    Ring 1 = .48mm
    Ring 2 = .60mm
    Ring 3 = .40mm (I didn't have to touch this ring(s) as this was the gap that they came with)

    Spec for Ring 1 per Audi manual is:
    .35-50mm wear limit 1.0mm

    Ring 2
    .50-70mm wear limit 1.4mm

    Ring 3
    .25-50mm wear limit .8mm
    Thanks for this info, I appreciate it. This will allow me to verify that everything is in spec and that the wear is acceptable before putting everything back together.
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    I'll start cleaning everything up after I'm off from work today. Hopefully I can send the heads off the machine shop this week and begin reassembly sometime this weekend. Couldn't do anything yesterday due to this crazy heat wave in LA yesterday sadly. Lol.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Wagonholic View Post
    Engine and tranny was pulled as a single unit. Separated them outside of the car so the tranny isn't pictured. I will be installing the JHM trio linkages and doing a 4:1 center diff while it's all apart. I have a source for the washers if you're interested.
    Oh haha, yeah the pics made it look that way. I sent my diff into JHM. After I installed it, I pulled it out and put in a stock one cause I had a noise from the front end and I thought it was the culprit. Ended up being the wheel bearings so now I'm just waiting to drop it back in.

    You're going to love the JHM kit, installed that also with my build. I installed the stiffest reverse spring on the shifter to get rid of that "most annoying bouncy shifter of any car" lol

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    Quote Originally Posted by CJ_ View Post
    Oh haha, yeah the pics made it look that way. I sent my diff into JHM. After I installed it, I pulled it out and put in a stock one cause I had a noise from the front end and I thought it was the culprit. Ended up being the wheel bearings so now I'm just waiting to drop it back in.

    You're going to love the JHM kit, installed that also with my build. I installed the stiffest reverse spring on the shifter to get rid of that "most annoying bouncy shifter of any car" lol
    Sat in Cinesnow's car the other night, which has the full kit and stiff spring as well. I have to say, it's a HUGE improvement over what I have now, let alone the stock shifter. As a matter of fact, I drove a stock (including shifter) B5 S4 that night, and it felt broken just because it was slow compared to what I was used to lol. However, my view on the JHM trio shifter combo was kinda skewed since I had just directly come out of driving an E39 M5 for the several hours prior. That car has one of the best shifters out there.

    .....BUT...it's just a shifter. As long as the car is fast, who cares (although improving it as much as possible would be nice haha.)
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    Still quite hot here in LA, so I waited until the sun set and got working.

    Since I'm not going to machine the block, I have to make sure the deck is as clean as possible to ensure that the new headgasket will seal properly. Tons of brake cleaner, some cheap shaving razors, a gasket scraper, and some engine degreaser and I spent about an hour cleaning off the deck. It's basically smooth to the touch now, though I'll be sure to get a second opinion from some friends before throwing everything back together.
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    Got the pistons separated from the rods. The c-clips weren't to much of a hassle; they didn't fly or pop out with crazy velocity. Pretty uneventful.
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    One of my favorite pictures of the build so far. The new RPM rods next to the old stock rods.
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    Question for those out there...how did your wrist pins fit the RPM rods? I know some people suggest getting the wrist pin hole honed so the wrist pins slide in easier. The pins do fit as-is, but it's a tight squeeze compared to stock. I remember one of the AMDetroit guys (I think Marty) posted saying that they didn't hone them, they just ran them as is with no issues. Thoughts?

    Link to the post: http://www.audizine.com/forum/showth...1#post11661671

    Got the old piston rings off. They look great, and I will most likely be reusing them since I will not have to get a hone then.
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    Finally, any suggestions on how to clean up the pistons. The carbon is pretty hard and caked on there pretty good. I gave them a light spray with brake-clean today, which helped a bit. Perhaps some soaking and a light scrubbing pad may work (but I don't want to scratch the pistons. That would be very bad).
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    One MOAR thing....My turbos came today!
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    If you can, find a place that will blast them with walnut shells. Otherwise, you can soak them in brake cleaner for a couple hours and then use hard plastic scrapers to chip away at the carbon. Other methods that work are green scrubbies, after getting the chunks off, or one of these and a drill:

    https://www.amazon.com/Scotch-Brite-...te+07525+Roloc
    -Tim

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    I used Carb/intake then follwed with brake clean and a wire brush. Took about 3-5 mins a piston. I also used the ring gap edges to clean the ring land area.
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    As HighPSI pointed out, Carb/Intake spray works pretty well. Brakleen is a good follow up. Make sure you clean the bottom of the ring grooves.

    I would also strongly suggest new rings along with a hone. You've got the engine down to this point and taking a chance on a ring (or more) not returning to a good seal would be a false economy. Yeah, the rings will probably be OK but if they're not you're gonna be out another 500 bucks and three weekends of effin' around...

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