Prestige Dynamic Steering vs premium plus

[mgiglio]

I have a 2015 S4 premiums plus with "dynamic steering." It's ok and after some mods and turning off the auto correction I've had some improvements. However I just drove a prestige with the dynamic steering and it is night and day. This is the way I want my car to feel, it's a real shame that these cars do not come with the better steering racks. I'm almost inclined to see how much it would be to swap racks, that's how drastic the difference is. Need less to say I'm super butt hurt right now. My $56k car dosent drive like the $60k version, why is this even an option. It should be standard in all S cars. We're not driving Honda civics here.


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[hotleadsingergu]

I have a 2015 S4 premiums plus with "dynamic steering." It's ok and after some mods and turning off the auto correction I've had some improvements. However I just drove a prestige with the dynamic steering and it is night and day. This is the way I want my car to feel, it's a real shame that these cars do not come with the better steering racks. I'm almost inclined to see how much it would be to swap racks, that's how drastic the difference is. Need less to say I'm super butt hurt right now. My $56k car dosent drive like the $60k version, why is this even an option. It should be standard in all S cars. We're not driving Honda civics here.


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I mean...

[lapisia]

Have you looked into the alu kreuz? Makes a huge difference in the steering IMO.


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[mgiglio]

I have it...the prestige has a quicker steering ratio. It's a different steering rack all togather. Someone should offer this as an aftermarket part


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[vwblackb5]

OP you sure there's a difference i.e different PN steering racks? FWIW, my 2016 P+ didn't drive any different than the 2016 Prestige I test drove before purchasing my P+ (both had sports diff btw). However, there is a night and day difference with the electro-mechanical steering on my B8.5 to the hydraulic steering on my B5 (Analog FTW!).


I see you posted about having steering issues back in 2/2015.. did you get this resolved?

http://www.audizine.com/forum/showth...steering-issue

[jjslegacy]

I can't even bring myself to believe there is a difference between the steering in a premium plus vs a prestige. Not a chance assuming same exact model b8 vs b8.5 etc

[mgiglio]

OP you sure there's a difference i.e different PN steering racks? FWIW, my 2016 P+ didn't drive any different than the 2016 Prestige I test drove before purchasing my P+ (both had sports diff btw). However, there is a night and day difference with the electro-mechanical steering on my B8.5 to the hydraulic steering on my B5 (Analog FTW!).


I see you posted about having steering issues back in 2/2015.. did you get this resolved?

http://www.audizine.com/forum/showth...steering-issue

I have a 2015 P+ with sports diff. Disabled the DSR which helped a little, did rear sways which helped a little, went to pilot sport tires and did alu Kruz. There is still a difference. It's not as noticeable in comfort and auto modes in the prestige but there is still a slight difference in these modes vs a P+ and when you put a car with prestige package into dynamic the difference is night and day. Im 99% certain that the rack in all prestige cars with dynamic steering has different ratios than p+ cars. It is not the electronic programming.

I will do some research later and see if I can back this up.

[mgiglio]

I can't even bring myself to believe there is a difference between the steering in a premium plus vs a prestige. Not a chance assuming same exact model b8 vs b8.5 etc

I really wouldn't believe it either had I not just drove my car and then a prestige back to back. That is why I'm so pissed!

[derek.kritz]

I have a 2010 with dynamic steering. My buddy has the same car without it. NIGHT AND DAY...if I had his car, I'd be pissed. To do the swap, you need the different steering rack. Like 1500. Plus install. If it is pre 2013, need a different pump too.


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[theswoleguy]

What is disabling the DSR?

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[14S4GWM]

What is disabling the DSR?

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http://www.audizine.com/forum/showth...es-VAG-COM-Fix

[DannyDeez]

I really wouldn't believe it either had I not just drove my car and then a prestige back to back. That is why I'm so pissed!

Just curious, did you drive a prestige that was 2013 or newer? I could see you noticing a difference with a 2012 or older as its a completely different system.

[s42014DSG]

I have a 2010 with dynamic steering. My buddy has the same car without it. NIGHT AND DAY...if I had his car, I'd be pissed. To do the swap, you need the different steering rack. Like 1500. Plus install. If it is pre 2013, need a different pump too.


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The rack is part of the dynamic steering package right? NOT the prestige by itself? I have prestige with adaptive lights but NOT dynamic steering or suspension. Wondering if all I'm missing is the programming or whether my rack is the worse one.

[cchase231]

http://www.audiusaparts.com/auto-par...d-linkage-scat

[hyetiko]

Prestige has a 2700 dollar option which includes true dynamic steering and adaptive cruise control. The steering rack is different!! 14.9 vs 15.9 I believe it's the same one on the RS5 model. Without getting that option it has the same steering rack as other b8.5 model prestige + models. I couldn't justify spending more money on prestige plus another 2700 for that option... Hopefully it's as easy as sealing racks


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[mgiglio]

Just curious, did you drive a prestige that was 2013 or newer? I could see you noticing a difference with a 2012 or older as its a completely different system.

I drove a 2015 prestige and I have a 2015 p+. It was an apples to apples comparison. Someone here mentioned it's not worth spending $1500 to change the rack. Why is it that were so quick to drop $1500 on a tune but not $1500 on something that gives us more feedback and driver engagement. I think I'd rather have this rack than the tune in all honesty, that's how much better the car drives...

[mgiglio]

The rack is part of the dynamic steering package right? NOT the prestige by itself? I have prestige with adaptive lights but NOT dynamic steering or suspension. Wondering if all I'm missing is the programming or whether my rack is the worse one.

From what I'm reading in other posts you need the dynamic steering option...


http://www.audizine.com/forum/showth...Steering/page2

[mgiglio]

http://www.audiusaparts.com/auto-par...d-linkage-scat

So can someone just replace their rack with the one mentioned in the link or is there more involved?

[superswiss]

The Dynamic Steering rack OP talks about is part of the Driver Assist Package, which is only available on the Prestige trim. It is a completely different rack and has nothing to do with the Dynamic mode in Drive Select. Both racks have Comfort, Auto and Dynamic settings in Drive Select, but they behave completely different. The standard steering rack in the P+ and Premium only change steering torque between the three modes. The Dynamic Steering rack also adjusts steering ratio and results in a much more direct and sporty steering overall. You can see in the Drive Select Individual settings which steering rack you have. It will either says just "Steering" or it will say "Dynamic steering".

Dynamic Steering rack:


Standard steering rack:

[DannyDeez]

The Dynamic Steering rack OP talks about is part of the Driver Assist Package, which is only available on the Premium trim. It is a completely different rack and has nothing to do with the Dynamic mode in Drive Select. Both racks have Comfort, Auto and Dynamic settings in Drive Select, but they behave completely different. The standard steering rack in the P+ and Premium only change steering torque between the three modes. The Dynamic Steering rack also adjusts steering ratio and results in a much more direct and sporty steering overall. You can see in the Drive Select Individual settings which steering rack you have. It will either says just "Steering" or it will say "Dynamic steering".

Dynamic Steering rack:


Standard steering rack:

Good info Does this apply to B8 as well, or is it a 8.5 only thing?

[superswiss]

Good info Does this apply to B8 as well, or is it a 8.5 only thing?

Applies to the B8 as well, but in case of the B8 both racks are hydraulic.

[moose_head]

Hmm never noticed that the adaptive cruise control can be put in "dynamic" mode too. What does it do, tailgate and nudge other cars off the road?

[theswoleguy]

Hmm never noticed that the adaptive cruise control can be put in "dynamic" mode too. What does it do, tailgate and nudge other cars off the road?

Lmao draft mode 4" rubbing is racing gap 😂

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[superswiss]

Hmm never noticed that the adaptive cruise control can be put in "dynamic" mode too. What does it do, tailgate and nudge other cars off the road?

I've never actually put it in dynamic mode, but the mode controls how quickly it accelerates when the car in front speeds up and how soon or late it brakes/slows down in reaction to the car in front. Auto does a pretty good job at keeping up with daily traffic. Comfort is noticeably relaxed. I assume Dynamic is more aggressive acceleration and later braking. Never felt the need to put it in Dynamic. I keep it in Auto most of time, other than on a long road trip where I put it in Comfort.

[mgiglio]

Soooo does anyone know if I can just buy a rack and have it installed. I'd rather spend $1500 to make my car not drive like a Lexus than get .4 seconds quicker to the next stop light


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[DannyDeez]

Applies to the B8 as well, but in case of the B8 both racks are hydraulic.

Ah ok. Based off of my window sticker I'm thinking I have it. Would my assumption be correct?



Edit: Here's my MMI screen:

[derek.kritz]

Ah ok. Based off of my window sticker I'm thinking I have it. Would my assumption be correct?



Edit: Here's my MMI screen:

Yup, you have it.

[DannyDeez]

Yup, you have it.

Ah sweet!

[superswiss]

Soooo does anyone know if I can just buy a rack and have it installed. I'd rather spend $1500 to make my car not drive like a Lexus than get .4 seconds quicker to the next stop light


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Haven't heard of anybody doing that. If the software is preloaded and can be activated with coding only, then I would say it's technically possible to do a retrofit. However, as I said I've not seen anybody ever do it. Most don't even know the dynamic steering exists and a lot of sales people talk customers out of it, because they don't understand what it does, which is a shame, because IMO it's the next best thing about these cars after the sport differential and together they work hand in hand. It has also received some bad press in the past, because the initial implementation had some quirks, but they were pretty much corrected with the 48k8 update. Car and Driver I believe it was, however, praised it in the RS5 as being a major improvement over the numb standard steering.

[mgiglio]

Is there anyway to tell if a car had the 48k8 update. My car is a 2015 so I'm assuming it came with that update but it makes me
wonder. Possibly the update would make things a little better.


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[jygesq]

You could check for software version in MMI , but I would be willing to bet it was upto date when it was manufactured.

[joediesel]

Looks like the steering racks can be had for a few hundred dollars on ebay, would be nice to know if a swap w/ recoding would be possible

[doug97gxe]

why butcher your brand new car.. trade it in for a Prestige model

[rtmeikle]

I have a 2013 B8.5 prestige. I also have the driver assist package, which includes adaptive cruise control, brake assist, and dynamic steering. Unless you have that package, you don't have the dynamic steering.

My understanding is that in non-dynamic steering models, you can change the level of resistance (steering feel) to dynamic, auto, or comfort, but it doesn't effect the steering ratio. With this option, not only does the resistance change, but the actual steering ratio changes.

FWIW, I've never had any complaints about the steering in my 2013. When I bought it, I drove one with and without this package, and I definitely could tell the difference. For anyone looking to buy a B8.5, I'd recommend this as the second most important option, right after the sport differential.

[mgiglio]

Looks like the steering racks can be had for a few hundred dollars on ebay, would be nice to know if a swap w/ recoding would be possible

Because when you trade a car you get wholesale book which is about $5k less than retail. No butchering, would rather just pay a good Audi tech a total of $2k than loose $5k on trade just to buy the same car I already have...

[NPuter]

The Dynamic Steering rack OP talks about is part of the Driver Assist Package, which is only available on the Prestige trim. It is a completely different rack and has nothing to do with the Dynamic mode in Drive Select. Both racks have Comfort, Auto and Dynamic settings in Drive Select, but they behave completely different. The standard steering rack in the P+ and Premium only change steering torque between the three modes. The Dynamic Steering rack also adjusts steering ratio and results in a much more direct and sporty steering overall. You can see in the Drive Select Individual settings which steering rack you have. It will either says just "Steering" or it will say "Dynamic steering".

Dynamic Steering rack:


Standard steering rack:

This! It's not a matter of P+ vs. Prestige. It's a matter of standard steering vs. dynamic steering. And, on facelift cars, dynamic steering is only available with the driver assistance package which is only an option for Prestige cars.

I know I'm just reiterating what you said. Just want to reinforce.

This should be offered as a separate option like the sports diff imo. The inclusion of adaptive cruise control with the package was an absolute deal breaker for me.

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[NPuter]

And with that said, the RS5 did not have dynamic steering as standard either - you had to get the driver assistance package on that as well to get it.

I drove a S4 and RS5, both without dynamic steering, back to back, and the steering feel difference was night and day, to me at least. So, this leads me to believe that there is some other difference between S and RS steering unrelated to "dynamic steering" and that getting dynamic steering on an S doesn't necessarily give you RS steering.

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[superswiss]

This! It's not a matter of P+ vs. Prestige. It's a matter of standard steering vs. dynamic steering. And, on facelift cars, dynamic steering is only available with the driver assistance package which is only an option for Prestige cars.

I know I'm just reiterating what you said. Just want to reinforce.

This should be offered as a separate option like the sports diff imo. The inclusion of adaptive cruise control with the package was an absolute deal breaker for me.

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Yeah, I think AoA finally figured out that the dynamic steering is a sport option and on the S6/7 it's now packaged together with the sport differential under the S6/7 sport package and on the RS7 it's standard equipment as it should be. Packaging it as a driver assist option on the B8.5, including the RS5, never made sense to me. Sure it makes parallel parking easier and helps the ESP stabilize the car at the grip limit, but it's mostly a sportier steering rack. For me it didn't matter, though as I wanted both ACC and the dynamic steering, but I understand that for a 6MT, ACC is rather pointless.

[joediesel]

And with that said, the RS5 did not have dynamic steering as standard either - you had to get the driver assistance package on that as well to get it.

I drove a S4 and RS5, both without dynamic steering, back to back, and the steering feel difference was night and day, to me at least. So, this leads me to believe that there is some other difference between S and RS steering unrelated to "dynamic steering" and that getting dynamic steering on an S doesn't necessarily give you RS steering.

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You can purchase the RS5 dynamic steering racks for a few hundred as well..

[rtmeikle]

For me it didn't matter, though as I wanted both ACC and the dynamic steering, but I understand that for a 6MT, ACC is rather pointless.

I love ACC, even with my 6MT. There's a pretty wide range of highway speeds you can cruise in using 6th gear in our cars!