Debating on selling the car already and buying a BMW 335i Msport

[Rinaldi]

I just bought my 2014 Audi Sline and have a love/hate relationship with it so far. I have put on 5,000 miles and the daily driving with the turbo lag in stop/go is driving me nuts. I like power but would be happy if I can get my daily driver to 300hp range. The Audi has an APR stage 1 and this helps once the car is moving it can be fun to drive but I would still like more power and minimize the damn turbo lag. I have owned many tubos over the years and never recall having such a lag.

I found an Estoril blue 335i M sport local for about 5k more but same options and lower mileage. Stock they are 300hp and 300 torque. I am sure Dinan has an ECU upgrade and other options to get well beyond the A4. Seems it would be cheaper in the long run as well.

I don't want to sell my Audi but not sure I am missing something or not. But upgrading the A4 much more I am not sure makes sense since the cost from this point will start pushing over what I could have bought an S4 or the 335i and still won't make their power. And is there any way to minimize our lag off the start. At times I have to look to see if I am in gear. When I test drove the car I didn't notice it much but driving it 500 miles a week like I do it stands out.

[jjvwg]

I just bought my 2014 Audi Sline and have a love/hate relationship with it so far. I have put on 5,000 miles and the daily driving with the turbo lag in stop/go is driving me nuts. I like power but would be happy if I can get my daily driver to 300hp range. The Audi has an APR stage 1 and this helps once the car is moving it can be fun to drive but I would still like more power and minimize the damn turbo lag. I have owned many tubos over the years and never recall having such a lag.

I found an Estoril blue 335i M sport local for about 5k more but same options and lower mileage. Stock they are 300hp and 300 torque. I am sure Dinan has an ECU upgrade and other options to get well beyond the A4. Seems it would be cheaper in the long run as well.

I don't want to sell my Audi but not sure I am missing something or not. But upgrading the A4 much more I am not sure makes sense since the cost from this point will start pushing over what I could have bought an S4 or the 335i and still won't make their power. And is there any way to minimize our lag off the start. At times I have to look to see if I am in gear. When I test drove the car I didn't notice it much but driving it 500 miles a week like I do it stands out.

guessing you've never driven a big turbo car?! the stock turbo does not have any turbo lag. these turbos can hit full boost at such a low rpm range and in almost any gear also, only problem is they cant make much power up top. Im curious about this turbo lag you speak of, especially having a tune which probably makes it feel even less laggy and with a nice torque spike down low than the already non existent lag in stock form. do you have an automatic car? maybe its the lack of performance in the auto transmission if so?

[samps]

If you're looking for 300hp in a DD, why did you get the A4 in the first place?

For several years my criteria for my DD was min 300hp so I had a 540i (was actually 289hp), then a Dinan S2 335i, then a G37S. Things have changed for me and my DD criteria are different so after the Q5 I went with the A4. Yes I did want an SQ5 and an S4 but my criteria changed, including budgets.

I just don't get this. Get stage 2 or a K04 or get the 335i.

[samps]

I got 322/386 whp/wtq on a Mustang Dyno, which typically reads lower. You'll like the 335i.

http://www.e90post.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=254349&stc=1&d=1238636 550

[petraman]

Here's some advice from an outsider...

I thought the same thing, too, when I first started driving it... but I realized that my car has a very progressive throttle. Meaning that, if you're in 6th on the highway and want to pass someone, you really have to give it the beans for the turbo to spool up quickly. I'm not sure if that's a common experience, but it's something that I've noticed. Another thing to try is to find someone with VCDS and enable ADS so you can adjust your throttle sensitivity, which is something I'd really like to do myself.

[Shimmy]

Rinaldi, I feel your pain. I'm in the same situation except looking at another BMW or at least stepping into an s4 then tuning it.

do yourself a favor and just sell it before you invest any further making the car something it will never be. go for it!!

[o1turbo30v]

Yes buy a 335.

[bermudakid]

If you can get the 335 then do it, or an S4.

[TomPaul10]

i dont understand this.. these cars have a dinky turbo, even smaller than the previous b7 a4 (k03) and the b8 utilizes a IHI which is smaller, they virtually have zero "turbo lag" i guess its all subjective.

- But if you can upgrade to the 335 and thats what you want why the hell not, they are real sharp looking; they are a dime in a dozen tho at least where I'm from where the S4 isn't. totally different cars too.

[mecg]

I just bought my 2014 Audi Sline and have a love/hate relationship with it so far. I have put on 5,000 miles and the daily driving with the turbo lag in stop/go is driving me nuts. I like power but would be happy if I can get my daily driver to 300hp range. The Audi has an APR stage 1 and this helps once the car is moving it can be fun to drive but I would still like more power and minimize the damn turbo lag. I have owned many tubos over the years and never recall having such a lag.

I found an Estoril blue 335i M sport local for about 5k more but same options and lower mileage. Stock they are 300hp and 300 torque. I am sure Dinan has an ECU upgrade and other options to get well beyond the A4. Seems it would be cheaper in the long run as well.

I don't want to sell my Audi but not sure I am missing something or not. But upgrading the A4 much more I am not sure makes sense since the cost from this point will start pushing over what I could have bought an S4 or the 335i and still won't make their power. And is there any way to minimize our lag off the start. At times I have to look to see if I am in gear. When I test drove the car I didn't notice it much but driving it 500 miles a week like I do it stands out.

Have you tried keeping your transmission in Sport mode? I find that pretty much eliminates turbo lag.

[Rinaldi]

guessing you've never driven a big turbo car?! the stock turbo does not have any turbo lag. these turbos can hit full boost at such a low rpm range and in almost any gear also, only problem is they cant make much power up top. Im curious about this turbo lag you speak of, especially having a tune which probably makes it feel even less laggy and with a nice torque spike down low than the already non existent lag in stock form. do you have an automatic car? maybe its the lack of performance in the auto transmission if so?

Well I have owned a few turbo cars; about 4 Nissan 300ZX twin turbo, Audi Allroad, Buick Grand National and my Porsche 911 twin turbo. So I have owned a few turbo cars. Maybe this is more of the 8speed transmission taking so long to engage and not really the turbo. I just know from a dead stop this car doesn't take off at all. Again many times I look to see if I am in neutral.

[Rinaldi]

My criteria wasn't magically 300 hp but seems to be a spot where to me the car is more fun to drive. Knowing this was a turbo car I figured I could put it close enough and still have a fun, fuel efficient car. My last daily was a G35X and I didn't need or really want the all wheel but it was fun, just not as much fun as my wife G37. So I felt if I could stay in the upper 270-300 hp range I would be content, but again maybe the main issue I am having is the time it takes for the tranny to engage since I have the 8speed auto.

[Liquid Smoke]

they're totally different cars, drive a 328i and you'll feel the same way. if you're looking for a 335 now you should have gotten an S4 even.

but IMO it's got plenty of power for daily driving, i dont need to go all street racer and i feel like the power and everything is good for what it is, and yes keeping it in sport mode definitely helps the throttle response. i'm sure you can get a quick tune and a bolt on and it will be good enough. stage 1/2 tune with a hfc and exhaust?

[JeriQo]

Have you tried keeping your transmission in Sport mode? I find that pretty much eliminates turbo lag.

Yep it puts out a bit more responce on S mode

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[Rinaldi]

they're totally different cars, drive a 328i and you'll feel the same way. if you're looking for a 335 now you should have gotten an S4 even.

but IMO it's got plenty of power for daily driving, i dont need to go all street racer and i feel like the power and everything is good for what it is, and yes keeping it in sport mode definitely helps the throttle response. i'm sure you can get a quick tune and a bolt on and it will be good enough. stage 1/2 tune with a hfc and exhaust?

If you are talking getting a stage 1 or 2 for my A4, I already have an APR stage 1. The exhaust add on for these cars don't seem to be worth putting on for hp. More for sound and some looks. Adding 7-8 hp for $2000 in an exhaust is a bit steep and there are other ways to add hp for less.

[Rinaldi]

I assume S mode is only a manual option? My G had S mode and it would either allow me to shift or it would shift at much higher shift points automatically.

[skis4hire]

If you look at the tiptronic shifter, the drive position says "D/S" with an arrow below it. When in drive, if you pull the shifter backward, it will switch from "D" to "S" which is sport mode shifting.
Also when in "D" if you pull the shifter to the right, you go into manual shift mode and then tap the shifter forward/back to shift up/down.



Also

If you have navigation and get ahold of VCDS, you can enable ADS and set the car to dynamic which permanently enables S mode shifting, tightens the steering and I think adjusts the throttle a bit also.
http://www.audienthusiasts.com/VagCom_FL_ADS.html

With VCDS you can also have the gear # and S/D mode shown in the

Enable Automatic Gear selection shown in DIS

[02 – Auto Trans] [Adaptation – 10]
Select “Single Gear Display” from top channel drop down menu
Select “D on/S on” from New value drop down menu

Working

http://www.audizine.com/forum/showth...ft-2013-B8-5-s

[SleeperCar]

Keep in mind that xdrive is garbage compared to Quattro.

[Shimmy]

Keep in mind that xdrive is garbage compared to Quattro.

says who? BMW has vastly improved the xdrive over the years.

[SleeperCar]

says who? BMW has vastly improved the xdrive over the years.

The elf on the shelf told me, so it must be true!

[AUDIMAN33]

Keep in mind that xdrive is garbage compared to Quattro.

100% true, I got stuck countless times...

[jjvwg]

Well I have owned a few turbo cars; about 4 Nissan 300ZX twin turbo, Audi Allroad, Buick Grand National and my Porsche 911 twin turbo. So I have owned a few turbo cars. Maybe this is more of the 8speed transmission taking so long to engage and not really the turbo. I just know from a dead stop this car doesn't take off at all. Again many times I look to see if I am in neutral.

dont know anything about the buick, but the rest of those are all v6 twin turbos...a little different than the 2.0T. bigger displacement helps with the low end torque on those cars and power across the whole powerband. again, if you havent ever driven a big turbo car, do so, and then come back and complain about turbo lag haha. going stage 2 with a HFC or test pipe will definitely net some decent gains for just a few hundred bucks. no reason to go full exhaust on a stock turbo. power gains come from removing the stock cat as thats the largest restriction. keep in mind that people are hitting mid 12's and 300+ whp with a k04 which is nothing to fret at. that matches a stage two b8 s4 here in denver. it just depends if you wanna drop a few grand to upgrade the a4 or get something else.

[Slow4]

I realized that my car has a very progressive throttle. Meaning that, if you're in 6th on the highway and want to pass someone, you really have to give it the beans for the turbo to spool up quickly.

...OR you can rev-match, downshift and throttle hard in lower gear?

OP, get the 335, get the current JB4 maps, get some piggies/DPs, get exhaust and go be fast; also, you're in Phx....theres really no need for AWD so don't even consider the xDrive.

[SleeperCar]

...OR you can rev-match, downshift and throttle hard in lower gear?

OP, get the 335, get the current JB4 maps, get some piggies/DPs, get exhaust and go be fast; also, you're in Phx....theres really no need for AWD so don't even consider the xDrive.

Fair point on location for awd.... Good to see you lurking slow!

Heard your looking at an allroad?

[Slow4]

Heard your looking at an allroad?

Shhhhhh, lurkers be watching. Who gave you this idea? #looselipssinkships

I'm not but if I was, it'd behoove me to study up on the dinky 2.slo platform to see where I can go with it....you know, in the event I were to get back into the whole modding scene thing.

[Rinaldi]

My A4 isn't Quattro either. It is just a FWD, but again here in PHX it doesn't have a real purpose. I bought by G35X used and loved the car but didn't need and would have rather had a regular G35 over the X.

[Slow4]

My A4 isn't Quattro either. It is just a FWD, but again here in PHX it doesn't have a real purpose. I bought by G35X used and loved the car but didn't need and would have rather had a regular G35 over the X.

Oh, well there's your problem...it's a POS CVT FWD Audi.

Get rid of it!

[SleeperCar]

Shhhhhh, lurkers be watching. Who gave you this idea? #looselipssinkships

I'm not but if I was, it'd behoove me to study up on the dinky 2.slo platform to see where I can go with it....you know, in the event I were to get back into the whole modding scene thing.

2.slo until you get that e85 tune though!!!

[Slow4]

2.slo until you get that e85 tune though!!!

ah, the "e85" sauce I keep hearing about; basically, in order for a 2.slo to WALK a stock B8 S4, it has to level up to a stage 1 tune WITH e85 fuel. thanks but no thanks, gonna keep with my moniker "slow 4" and keep things nice slow.

[SleeperCar]

ah, the "e85" sauce I keep hearing about; basically, in order for a 2.slo to WALK a stock B8 S4, it has to level up to a stage 1 tune. thanks but no thanks, gonna keep with my moniker "slow 4" and keep things nice slow.

Lol get this haterade out of the B8 A4 section

[Slow4]

Lol get this haterade out of the B8 A4 section

fine, i wont call it the 2.slo...i will now refer to it as the slo.v2; its no longer "slow", just more potent than the original 2.0

[Smellie]

1. k03 nor k04 has negligible turbo lag vs. bigger turbo cars.
2. 335i isn't even in the same category as an a4, get it if you can

[carlosvjr92]

If you're looking for performance definitely get a 335 or an S4

[Slick_B8]

Just sell the fucking car and get something faster. As many people have said, the a4 wasnt meant to be a "fast" car. These threads are a waste of space.

[Rinaldi]

Just sell the fucking car and get something faster. As many people have said, the a4 wasnt meant to be a "fast" car. These threads are a waste of space.

Slick B-you are kind of a dick! A fucking 335 is not a fast car and neither is an S4. Looking for performance vs budget. So many on here seem to dump so much into performance mods on this car and I just don't see the return unless I am missing something. We can pick up another car that has better performance vs money spent on upgrades. So I am looking to see the balance of this car compared to the other. That is brother. Now quit being a dick.

[SleeperCar]

Slick B-you are kind of a dick! A fucking 335 is not a fast car and neither is an S4. Looking for performance vs budget. So many on here seem to dump so much into performance mods on this car and I just don't see the return unless I am missing something. We can pick up another car that has better performance vs money spent on upgrades. So I am looking to see the balance of this car compared to the other. That is brother. Now quit being a dick.

In defense of "dumping performance mods without seeing return".... What return are you looking for?

For me, an e85 stage 2 with some supporting mods results in a great return! 405 tq and mid 300 for hp?

The problem with threads like this is I'm not sure what you are trying to get out of it... A car is subjective, do you want a dependable daily with a good balance of performance, power, functionality, and gas mileage? Raising lowering the priority list changes which car makes sense.... Also there is loyalty.... You couldn't catch me driving a BMW... I love Audi... End of story. Rational or not it's what I love.

[Slow4]

Looking for performance vs budget.

He's being a realist.

You said it yourself, for 5K more, you can get yourself into a 335 with pretty much the same creature comforts as your A4.

Performance-wise, in stock form, it'll eat your FWD CVT A4 along with the majority of cars currently on the road. If you get a JB4 tune, a set of piggies or DPs and KEEP the stock exhaust, you have the ability to walk a majority of stage 3- B5 S4s and Stage 2 B8 S4s.

Budget wise - it's 5K more, put an extra 2-3K into mods and it's a subjectively fast car; performance v budget argument.

In one thread you stated you experienced "turbo lag"....very slim since the turbo on these B8 A4 2.0s are small. What you experienced was the crap CVT gearing/whirring up and transferring power to the front axles for demand then "pow" you got your "speed".

Dump the A, get the N55

[Project Quattro]

Yup. I think the issue here is the CVT. The 8-speed cars are legitimately quick. Also, having recently driven a 335, I came away deeply unimpressed. They sound great on paper, but they're incredibly loud inside, the interiors are shit, and a B8 S4 feels faster because of the low-end torque. There's a reason the 335 is on average (around here anyway) $10k cheaper than a similar-performing and similarly-equipped S4.


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[A4 Centaur]

^ Good points.

OP, if you have a CVT Audi, please get rid of it asap. Get yourself what feels best.

[Hagasan41]

Slick B-you are kind of a dick! A fucking 335 is not a fast car and neither is an S4. Looking for performance vs budget. So many on here seem to dump so much into performance mods on this car and I just don't see the return unless I am missing something. We can pick up another car that has better performance vs money spent on upgrades. So I am looking to see the balance of this car compared to the other. That is brother. Now quit being a dick.

Yes... sadly seems to be quite a few Honda Civic graduates on here. Legitimate question from the OP asking for everyones opinion. I don't get why people add to a thread they deem a "waste of space." If you're concerend about being the intenet police then don't contribute to the thread. Let it be by not responding and magically it goes away... hence saving space.

Persaonally I'd trade the A4 in and pick up the 335i. In the long run your ROI will yield a much greater return when you factor in the money spent on modifications.