Any interest in a well sorted 01.5 A4?

[belinko]

I'm thinking about moving on and I'm curious if there is any interest in a well sorted B5. The vehicle is my daily driver (5mi commute) and used at the Socal/Norcal Audi club HPDEs and has 182,xxx miles on the chassis. The vehicle is garaged, well cared for and maintained by PureMS. All service records are available. The vehicle is in top mechanical shape. I've owned the car since 2004 and it's located in San Diego, CA. I'd appreciate it if you guys could give me an idea of what a vehicle like this would sell for? I'd like to get somewhere between $15-$10K for the vehicle if possible. Honest opinions appreciated. Thanks guys.

Model Year: 2001.5, with ESP, Silver, black interior, aluminum trim, sport steering wheel

Motor:
APR Stage 3+, HFC, Milltek Exhaust, APR 91,93,100 Octane tune, built bottom end with 40,xxx mi on rebuilt motor (JE pistons, IE rods, ARP studs, ....), ER competition intercooler (black anodize), Carbonio Intake, Setrab external Oil cooler, External power steering cooler, 42 drafts design ultimate oil catch can, manual boost controller, RS4 motor mounts

Transmission:
5speed manual, used O1A installed a couple of weeks ago (80,xxx miles), JHM lightweight flywheel clutch combo with B7RS4 pressure plate (new), JHM 4:1 center diff, JHM shifter, linkage and bushing.

Chassis:
Ohlins/Stasis suspension, recent full rebuild and shock dyno by Performance Suspension, Inc (PSi), Spring Rates 650fr/750rear, Second set of springs 800fr/900rear, Hotchkis front and rear sway bar, Front Stern adjustable control arms, Rear 034 adjustable control arms

Brakes:
Front: Alcon 4 piston 355mm Alcon rotor (project mu type NS street pads, carbotech XP10 track pads), Rear: B5 S4 Caliper 300mm Alcon rotor (ferodo DS2500 pads), front and rear rotors one year old (second set). OEM B5 S4 uprights (steel)

Interior:
Status Racing Ring Carbon Fiber and leather racing seats, Spa Dual Digital Gauges installed in two modified OEM center vents (Oil/Water Temp, Boost/Oil pressure), Hardwired V1, OEM RS4 door handles

Exterior:
OEM B5 RS4 front bumper, OEM B5 RS4 Grill, OEM Valeo E-code HID head lights and tow strap

Wheels & Tires:
Four 18x8.5 Work Cr Kai with Hankook V12 and Four 18x8.5 Work Cr Kai with Nitto NT-01

The Bad:
The exterior paint has rock chips, scratches, some fading. The interior trim has a some scratches.

Here's are a couple of images and vid from Laguna Seca earlier this year. The car is legitimately fast on track.









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[AudiTechS4]

at that price your into the well sorted s4 stg 3 territory , good luck

[belinko]

^^^ I hear you. The A4 is just a better track car and easier to maintain IMHO, but slower on the streets. I might just have to keep it if these cars are selling for $5-$10K.

[Davdraco1]

This is literally what everyone wants done to all our cars. Good luck with selling, but a proper stage 3 noggy S4 can be had for that price.

[nynoah]

I would try to sell it for that price just to see. Honestly, that car is baller just like it is. If you part it, I would love some of the items. I keep my A4 and don't step into an S4, because I don't want to deal with the hell of the 2.7 engine. I love the fact that the 1.8 is easy to work on. If you present the sale as something like "Highly tuned S4 without S4 engine headaches" you might find someone who gets it.

Also don't let people dissuade you by saying "thats stage 3 S4 territory". Honestly Stage 3 S4 is not that much work. Turbos, exhaust, fueling. Big whup-de-do.... Your car is light years past that point.

[Davdraco1]

A proper stage 3 s4 will make much more power then a stage 3 A4.

[nynoah]

A proper stage 3 s4 will make much more power then a stage 3 A4.

SO ....

This car what people call stage 3+. (I honestly hate the term "stage" it was dumb when it was coined, still is). I would post it for sale word it the right way and post a TON of pictures to prove why you think it is worth that. I would also sell it on "Audiworld" or "Motorgeek" because the guys on Audizine are not as moneyed. I would also look into color matching the black trim at the bottom of the car silver. That seems to really help an A4 look more legit. (well to me). But seriously, be proud of the car, justify the price and sell it right and you will get it 10K.

[Davdraco1]

I'm not saying I would pay the 10k for the car. I think it's worth it all day. It's just how the market for these cars seems to be.

[nynoah]

I'm not saying I would pay the 10k for the car. I think it's worth it all day. It's just how the market for these cars seems to be.

We got to start standing up and demanding good money for well sorted B5 A4. These cars are modern classics now.

[belinko]

SO ....

This car what people call stage 3+. (I honestly hate the term "stage" it was dumb when it was coined, still is). I would post it for sale word it the right way and post a TON of pictures to prove why you think it is worth that. I would also sell it on "Audiworld" or "Motorgeek" because the guys on Audizine are not as moneyed. I would also look into color matching the black trim at the bottom of the car silver. That seems to really help an A4 look more legit. (well to me). But seriously, be proud of the car, justify the price and sell it right and you will get it 10K.

nynoah, thanks for your input. To the right person I think this car has value, but not to the average B5 A4/S4 owner. I agree that some S4 side skirts would make the car more appealing. I've never focused on cosmetic modifications to a fault perhaps. The RS4 front bumper came out of necessity to fit the large ER FMIC and I needed new headlights for better visibility. Also, I don't think people realize how much easier it is to maintain and work on the 1.8T vs the jam packed engine bay of the 2.7T.

[nynoah]

The 2.7 bay is a nightmare. Darn near all jobs start with yank the engine.

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[redline380]

$10k is absolute tops for that car. No one is going to stop you from listing it for $15k, but I feel it would be a waste of time.

You are better off keeping it and enjoying it. If it is your daily, you are better off just buying another car and keeping this one. I already did that.

[Seerlah]

A proper stage 3 s4 will make much more power then a stage 3 A4.

Not true at all. It all depends on the route people take. There are guys running 500whp on a street car, efr, and proper tune. With an S4, same route of engine building will need to be taken for those numbers. It also depends upon preference. I like 4 cylinder engines. Besides my Maxima, always had one prior.

And as others have stated, you can get between the range you are asking. But you will have to sit on it for a while before it sells. Going rate for your car is $7-10k, even with all those mods. You can make more parting the car. But who has time for all that?

[Davdraco1]

Ain't nobody got time for that

[coolgraymemo]

For what it's worth, another member in Southern California struggled to sell with 034 built 2.0L for $8-9,000. S4 front bumper, S4 side skirts, Euro S4 rear bumper, but stock suspension, stock brakes, stock seats, and Rota wheels.

Not sure what he ended up selling it for, but I'd estimate between $7-8,500.

[Davdraco1]

It's a shame these cars aren't worth what they should be. They got a bad rep for being expensive to work on so no one wants them.

[belinko]

Thanks for the input guys. Nice to see some familiar names (veterans) comment on this thread, I've not been around here while. It's a really tough call for me at this point. The car costs me $5000 in parts and labor each year to keep it in track ready condition. Not including track day costs, tires, insurance, gas and registration. As you can imagine roughly $500 a month buys a lot of car.

[Davdraco1]

What do you spend 5k a year on? I know insurance is at least a grand

[GOODBYNAAIR]

This is why I will most likely never sell my car unless it's a part out because to most of us they are worth more to the builder than the market price. Sadly for now this is what a 15 year old German car gets you.

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[A1 A2 German]

The #1 top built A4 is/was for sale for ~$10.5k, ~475whp, HighTT's (or what ever he name is). So there it is, and that's after mutiple price drops.

[nynoah]

Tight TT seemed decent but honestly the only B5 I like are the 01.5. I would have never bought it for that reason alone.

[Corrado_Guy]

It is hard to sell modded cars because most car buyers like stock cars so you end up with a small part of the market. My car w as modded and was on the market for over 6 months and a few people looked but did not buy. I got the car for the price of the upgrades plus a little bit more My car also had the cloth sport seats, S4 body kit, and a Euro trunk lid and the guy could not find anyone who was interested in it. The Audi A4 is not really a special car by most people and there are enough of them that most people will look around and probably won't justify the difference in price and go with a stock one. If you can find someone who likes everything you did with the car and knows what it is worth then you may get 5 figures for it. You can only try and see what comes of it. I personally would buy a car with mods as long as it was inline with what I wanted and the price was not beyond what it would cost me to buy the parts and do it myself.

[belinko]

What do you spend 5k a year on? I know insurance is at least a grand

Based on my maintenance log book for the car this year.

02/15 (oil change, brake flush, new pads, new oil dip stick, extra oil, inspection) $640
03/15 track day - Laguna Seca
07/15 (oil change, valve cover gasket, inspection, gauges breather hose system, remove oil pan, check tensioner, oil) $740
10/15 (inspect gauges, brake lines, new plugs, remount and balance race tires, racing oil, race alignment) $570
11/15 (JHM clutch combo flywheel and pressure plate, oil change, install clutch, fix broken weld on exhaust, trans mount) $1700
11/15 track day - Buttonwillow
11/15 (used transmission, replace trans, gear oil, race pads) $1320

That equates to $4,970 in maintenance this year. Not including track expenses, tires, gas, insurance, etc.

If the car was a daily driver only the cost to operate the vehicle would be much lower.

The #1 top built A4 is/was for sale for ~$10.5k, ~475whp, HighTT's (or what ever he name is). So there it is, and that's after mutiple price drops.

TightTT's car was a great street car inside and out. If someone got it for $10k, that was a great deal for the buyer. I don't think I'll be able to sell this vehicle for a worthy price to me.

[Bordom]

You have a shop do most of the work? All that does not equate to $5k to me unless you're paying someone to do it

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[belinko]

^^^ That's correct, I do not work on the vehicle. I just don't have the time or a lift

[A1 A2 German]

These cars are so under valued.

I mean, look what you went toe to toe with, and all that for ~$10-15k. It's awesome.

[LA4]

I'm curious what it costs for a single track day at Laguna Seca?

Cool video.

[belinko]

These cars are so under valued.

I mean, look what you went toe to toe with, and all that for ~$10-15k. It's awesome.

True. At my last track event, I was playing with a brand new viper. It was fun until I blew up my transmission.

I'm curious what it costs for a single track day at Laguna Seca?

Cool video.

It costs me about $1K for a two day event with Audi Club driving up from San Diego. Registration ($500), garage ($150), hotel ($150), gas 100oct ($200), misc

[LA4]

It costs me about $1K for a two day event with Audi Club driving up from San Diego. Registration ($500), garage ($150), hotel ($150), gas 100oct ($200), misc

Ouch... guess I'll stick to AutoX with the Miata. Still, that looks like so much fun. It was cool to see you pass the R8 at 7:00.

[belinko]

Ouch... guess I'll stick to AutoX with the Miata. Still, that looks like so much fun. It was cool to see you pass the R8 at 7:00.

It's the biggest rush I've ever experienced. You're in the moment and at the limits. There is an incredible amount of skill associated with going fast and operating at the limits of the vehicle and driver. The closest thing that comes close to this experience is some extreme snowboarding trips involving helicopters and snow cats. It's not a cheap hobby that's for sure. But to take the car to the next level will cost me about $15-20K. There are pros and cons to keeping and or ditching the B5 and that's why I created this thread.

R8s, S4s, GT3s, Caymans, 911s, Vipers, Corvettes, M3s - most of the drivers of these cars cannot come close to the limits of the cars capability, therefore I'm much faster on track. On the street all these cars are much faster in a straight line, but how much skill is involved with smashing the accelerator.

[A1 A2 German]

True. At my last track event, I was playing with a brand new viper.

And this is exactly what I'm talking about. It's amazing how people lose their shit over an E36 M3 and go flippen nuts over a 911 and here you go. If you settled at say $12.5k, how would you compare? For a measly $12.5k you're taking down just about ever production car built, and heards of modded vehicles as well. I don't know if people are living under a rock or just dimiss these as an "Pfff...just an old B5" or we just live in a shadow of the B5 S4's, I don't know what it's gonna take for B5's to get appreciated.

[B-Time]

Turn it into a racecar. Keep it, gut it, and cage it.

[belinko]

^^^ That's what is starting to look like. Although I want to do it kind of like GT3 style, streetable but built for track. The biggest problem is that I'm going to need to run 275's and that means cutting fenders or widebody.

[Seerlah]

Keep it and t25 efr it. Will feel like a brand new car and not much will need to be changed. I see that route not only having faster spool than your current turbo, but much more top end. Win/Win situation.

[Davdraco1]

There's a guy with 255's tucked in at all four corners. Also, I've seen 255's with larger tread areas then a 265. Just gotta look at the tires.

[belinko]

Keep it and t25 efr it. Will feel like a brand new car and not much will need to be changed. I see that route not only having faster spool than your current turbo, but much more top end. Win/Win situation.

Yes, I'd like to be at 300-350awhp with low end torque. Power is great and all, but Aero, weight reduction, etc... are more valuable to me right now. Having less power forces you to drive better.

There's a guy with 255's tucked in at all four corners. Also, I've seen 255's with larger tread areas then a 265. Just gotta look at the tires.

I ran a 255/35/18 street tire on the street and it rubbed a little bit with rolled fenders and 5mm spacers. A 235/40/18 race tire is almost 1in wider than an equivalent 235/40/18 street tire. The 235 fits just right. I could run a 255/40/17, but I'd need a smaller brake rotor (328mm) and all new wheels. I like my brake and wheel setup.