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    Registered User Two Rings SALES@RSW's Avatar
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    Redline Speed Worx (RSW) APR MQB Intercooler & Hose Kit Install

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    The Audi S3’s have been on the market for a short while and now the aftermarket is starting to catch up!
    One of or Performance Partners, APR, has just released a trio of new products for the 1.8T / 2.0T MQB Platform. They aren’t exclusively for the Golf R but we happened to document the installation of their new High Flow Intercooler and Boost Hose Kit on this gorgeous 2016 model last night.

    Although the car only had a few hundred miles on it the owner hasn’t been hesitant to make improvements where he saw fit. Just like the engineers down at APR, the owner understood the value of improving the intercooler and took advantage of this new release. Before installing any hard parts on the Golf R, our Team got going on the APR Stage 1 Flash as well as taking the time to extract the Box Code from the TCU as this one hadn’t been cracked by APR’s engineers.



    We start by removing the front grille and bumper:




    You can see the two small auxiliary radiators that support the main front and center unit on either side of the front end. VW has done an amazing job packaging a Radiator, A/C Condenser, and Intercooler into a very tight space, but one of the downsides is that the radiator doesn’t get that much fresh air. To supplement this VW has added the two small ones on each side of the front bumper. Here is the one on the other side!



    When turning up the power of a stock turbocharged vehicle often times the temperature of the air the turbo is forcing into the engine is much hotter than when at stock power levels. As boost levels are increased all other things being the same, the air gets hotter and hotter, hotter air makes less power, so almost all modern turbocharged engines are intercooled, to reduce these losses.

    APR has done a wonderful job of putting a LOT of R&D into this product. When you have the chance to install one yourself you can see the amount of extra brackets, and fittings that are machined and cast into the end tanks. In addition to the detail work the core is of a high quality. They obviously did their home work with the designs, when compared to the OEM core you can see how much more substantial the cooling matrix is.


    OEM IC FIN DENSITY:



    APR IC FIN DENSITY:



    Side By Side Comparison of Intercooler cores. Note the consistency of the APR welds, the thickness of the bar/plate design:






    APR also appears to have done their homework when it comes to the shape of the end tanks, which very closely mimic the OEM ones. Obviously doing their best to distribute the air evenly throughout the core, top to bottom.









    One detail that you cannot perceive through the photos is how heavy and solid the APR unit feels. Yes, the intercooler does add some weight, but when it comes to horsepower versus a small amount of added weight we will take the additional horsepower every time!

    Once the stock unit has been replaced this is how the APR Intercooler looks before having the a/c condenser re-attached:






    In addition to the APR intercooler, they also have released their Boost Hose Kit. Typically OEM hoses are sufficient enough to contain the pressures and volume of air the car pushes in stock situations but whenever raising the boost pressure on a vehicle it’s also prudent to replace the hoses and hardware responsible for keeping this charged air in the intake system.



    In order to minimize the chance of blowing off intercooler hoses, and to maximize air flow these hoses are a great additional modification for that person looking to eek the last bits of performance out of their current setup or looking to further upgrade their vehicle in the future to maybe a Stage 3 Turbocharger System! (More on this coming soon!)

    Unfortunately or fortunately depending on your perspective when the unit is installed there is nothing to see!



    We personally like the stealth angle, let the car do the talking, not some big shiny intercooler!!

    If you have any questions regarding these APR parts for your S3, or other MQB Platform VW/Audi please feel free to call, post, or pm us directly!

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    Veteran Member Four Rings coolwater's Avatar
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    From my research, the intercooler swap is pretty labor intensive on this platform. How many hours do you charge for this?

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    I read this line over and over and I think it makes no sense:

    "One detail that you cannot perceive through the photos is how heavy and solid the APR unit feels. Yes, the intercooler does add some weight, but when it comes to horsepower versus a small amount of added weight we will take the additional horsepower every time!" You can't use "how heavy it is" as a selling point and then quickly discount the weight as to the horsepower gains. Oxymoronic comment if you ask me.

    Again, as a B5 S4 owner that watched everybody jump on every and anything that hit the market for that car, I will be patient and let this platform mature before I jump in and buy anything that comes out. This applies to Tunes, intercoolers, downpipes and I will NOT buy any aftermarket cat back as this car cat back has enough flow for any level of tune. These are just my thoughts and not intended as a bash to any vendor here.

    APR came out and introduced intercoolers for the B5 S4 that were just RS4 intercoolers with mouting brackets sawed off. AWE came out with a tune that claimed to be faster but it had nothing but cold start issues and people eventually had to get a manual boost control and a throttle cut defender MBC/TCD and their intercoolers were bigger than the APR RS4 but were not much better if at al. Then ER came out and just destroyed them all. Same thing with downpipes and exhaust. I think patience pays off. I also recall how the APR tune for the TT RS was riddled with misfires and they used every excuse in the book other than straight up admission that it was there tune. They make many people go waste money on spark plugs and DV valves and even 02s and after about a year they resolved it.

    I take graphs and dyno charts from vendors with a grain of salt. I suggest you do the same.

    I also think these turbo mufflers deltes and intakes are a bunch of bullshit too. My advice, that nobody wants, is to stay patient and give this platform some time and the cream will always rise to the top.

    Now I am going to go change my oil with some 10W60 oil and have people gasp as I destroy my engine using such thick oil. It takes a good 30 minutes per bottle for that stuff to pour out so I need to start now before it gets dark.

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    Quote Originally Posted by velodb View Post
    I read this line over and over and I think it makes no sense:

    "One detail that you cannot perceive through the photos is how heavy and solid the APR unit feels. Yes, the intercooler does add some weight, but when it comes to horsepower versus a small amount of added weight we will take the additional horsepower every time!" You can't use "how heavy it is" as a selling point and then quickly discount the weight as to the horsepower gains. Oxymoronic comment if you ask me.

    Again, as a B5 S4 owner that watched everybody jump on every and anything that hit the market for that car, I will be patient and let this platform mature before I jump in and buy anything that comes out. This applies to Tunes, intercoolers, downpipes and I will NOT buy any aftermarket cat back as this car cat back has enough flow for any level of tune. These are just my thoughts and not intended as a bash to any vendor here.

    APR came out and introduced intercoolers for the B5 S4 that were just RS4 intercoolers with mouting brackets sawed off. AWE came out with a tune that claimed to be faster but it had nothing but cold start issues and people eventually had to get a manual boost control and a throttle cut defender MBC/TCD and their intercoolers were bigger than the APR RS4 but were not much better if at al. Then ER came out and just destroyed them all. Same thing with downpipes and exhaust. I think patience pays off. I also recall how the APR tune for the TT RS was riddled with misfires and they used every excuse in the book other than straight up admission that it was there tune. They make many people go waste money on spark plugs and DV valves and even 02s and after about a year they resolved it.

    I take graphs and dyno charts from vendors with a grain of salt. I suggest you do the same.

    I also think these turbo mufflers deltes and intakes are a bunch of bullshit too. My advice, that nobody wants, is to stay patient and give this platform some time and the cream will always rise to the top.

    Now I am going to go change my oil with some 10W60 oil and have people gasp as I destroy my engine using such thick oil. It takes a good 30 minutes per bottle for that stuff to pour out so I need to start now before it gets dark.
    I think the intent of the OP was to share and somewhat promote the APR intercooler but more importantly to talk about the ease of instal. Which is exactly what the forms are for.

    He wasn't using weight as a selling point, it's a con that they feel is worth the price to achieve more HP. I don't understand how this was lost on you.

    The rest of your post contained muffler deletes, 10w60 oil, dynos, and a litany of awkward advice that's all very palpable. Advil please.

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    Some of the intercooler install videos I've seen on the mk7 platform looks really labor intensive. No comment on this product, but this looks like a 4 hr job in the shop and full day diy project.

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    What is the weight difference between APR and stock?
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    Quote Originally Posted by velodb View Post
    I read this line over and over and I think it makes no sense:

    "One detail that you cannot perceive through the photos is how heavy and solid the APR unit feels. Yes, the intercooler does add some weight, but when it comes to horsepower versus a small amount of added weight we will take the additional horsepower every time!" You can't use "how heavy it is" as a selling point and then quickly discount the weight as to the horsepower gains. Oxymoronic comment if you ask me.

    Again, as a B5 S4 owner that watched everybody jump on every and anything that hit the market for that car, I will be patient and let this platform mature before I jump in and buy anything that comes out. This applies to Tunes, intercoolers, downpipes and I will NOT buy any aftermarket cat back as this car cat back has enough flow for any level of tune. These are just my thoughts and not intended as a bash to any vendor here.

    The intercoolers job is to remove heat from the intake air charge. The heavier an intercooler is versus the one it is replacing also acts as a heatsink. For the same reason brake rotors are made out of a very heavy metal, to take the heat that is generated from friction and transfer it to rotor. You want the intercooler to transfer heat from the intake air to the ambient air via the fins, but not all of it will go there during pulls, so inevitably the intercooler core itself will pull some leftover heat out of the air than the ambient air can wash away.

    This cooler air makes more power, the power it gains especially when driving the car hard, for repeated pulls, is worth FAR MORE than the slight weight disadvantage.

    That is all I was trying to state!
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    Coolwater- It definitely isn't as quick as the earlier platform that's for sure, for a quote for your specific car give us a buzz at 908 223 7477.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Benji00 View Post
    I think the intent of the OP was to share and somewhat promote the APR intercooler but more importantly to talk about the ease of instal. Which is exactly what the forms are for.

    He wasn't using weight as a selling point, it's a con that they feel is worth the price to achieve more HP. I don't understand how this was lost on you.

    The rest of your post contained muffler deletes, 10w60 oil, dynos, and a litany of awkward advice that's all very palpable. Advil please.
    Thank you for your clarity of thought, and reading comprehension.

    Do appreciate the kind words, Benji Summed it up.

    And yes for those asking 4 hours may even be on the low side!

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    Seems that no dyno charts are available for the APR intercooler on a stock setup?

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    how long does it take to install the IC?

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    Quote Originally Posted by P2WRTMR View Post
    how long does it take to install the IC?
    I would budget 4.5-5 hours of shop labor rate or a good 6-8 if you try to do it yourself!

    Makes the MK6 car look like legos.

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    Quote Originally Posted by selp View Post
    Seems that no dyno charts are available for the APR intercooler on a stock setup?
    - GTI

    - Golf R

    These are from the product website, stage 2 however not stage 1.

    Still I would expect power gains even on a stock car!
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    Yet another VW MK7 Golf R in for APR ECU Programming, APR Short Shift Upgrade, and Milltek Sport Turboback Exhaust System!

    Did you know with APR Stage 2 Software + High Flow downpipe our Team can unleash a 100HP+ over Stock? Want to know more, Call Us!








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    Another Golf R in the shop today for upgrades from our Performance Partners at APR





    Not only have we been busy upgrading Golf R's, but we also currently have this beautiful R8 V10 Plus in the shop for upgrades today as well . . .


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    It's Monday, and the RSW Service Team has another MK7 VW Golf R in the shop for an APR, LLC. MQB Front Mount Intercooler Upgrade + Boost Hose Kit! This is a must have for all Golf R / S3 Owners.

    Dramatically lowers intake air temp (IAT), Increases horsepower while minimizing power-robbing heat soak! Effectiveness tested to over 500 HP! 21 horsepower gain over the factory system!






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    Did we mention . . .

    As a Premier APR Performance Center the Team at RSW has been selected to BETA Test the up-coming 2.0T MQB APR, LLC. Stage 3 EFR Turbocharger Upgrade. Have your first look NOW! We are extremely pleased with the top quality of all the included components, as well as the ease of installation but more on that later, stay tuned!


    ** APR has not yet released any POWER figures or PRICING on this Upgrade, so please don't ask just yet **


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