KW EDC Cancellation Kit + Mag Ride + Coilovers - any shop/manufacturer want to help?

[will13k7]

Well that was the KW brand manager's response, trying to piece together some flawed reasoning to justify why they will not help any further.

Though the response had flawed technical reasoning, the intent of the response was heard, which was basically: "we will not help any further, we suggest you raise your car, and good luck".

To be truly free of error codes at a ride height other than close to stock, we need adjustable right-height sensor connectors for all four corners, in addition to the KW Delete Kit. It would be awesome if a company could produce and sell these. I would pay a premium price for them, that's for sure.

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Any of you guys thought about contacting a lowering link company? For cars with air suspension they use the same style level sensors and several companies make adjustable links just like those. Obviously you wouldn't be using them to lower the car, but it would get rid of your errors.

http://www.airmatic-lowering-links.c...owering-links/

Cheers,

[will13k7]

Any of you guys thought about contacting a lowering link company?
http://www.airmatic-lowering-links.c...owering-links/

Thanks Alex, worth a try, I sent them a note!

[Oreganoflow]

dude, you still haven't bent the arms?

no codes here!

[will13k7]

dude, you still haven't bent the arms?

no codes here!

Car looks dope man. I'm surprised you're not getting codes in the rear, your car is lower than mine in the rear, about the same in the front.

I'd like to get an adjustable link that we can easily adjust as we adjust the car's ride height. Plus the rear link is plastic and I might need to adjust that to get rid of the rear codes I'm getting.

[will13k7]

@Benji00 @phillyquattro @Stam4765, any of you going to try the bend method?

[will13k7]

Whoa, I just got an email from mark@airmatic-lowering-links, saying they would be more than happy to make these parts for us!

Hi there Will

I would be more than happy to help you guys.

Measure the length of the original front and rear linkages and I will make you adjustable linkages that will address the problem.

A couple of questions that will help me –

Are there two linkages at the front and two at the rear of the car?
If the linkage are designed to become shorter than the original linkages will this resolve the problem or should the linkages be made longer?

I will attempt to turn round the linkage within three working days for the point I receive your answers

Kind regards

Mark

This is awesome. I plan to get some precise measurements and get back to Mark.

[Benji00]

Will - that is awesome!

Please keep us posted. Thanks for your time on this.

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Whoa, I just got an email from mark@airmatic-lowering-links, saying they would be more than happy to make these parts for us!

This is awesome. I plan to get some precise measurements and get back to Mark.

Glad that they could help!

[phillyquattro]

Whoa, I just got an email from mark@airmatic-lowering-links, saying they would be more than happy to make these parts for us!



This is awesome. I plan to get some precise measurements and get back to Mark.

That's great to hear. I was going to contact 034 when I get back and talk to them about fabricating new mount points but I'll just wait a little longer to see what you hear back from Mark.

[will13k7]

I finally got some time today to get the wheels off the car, but I don't think I'm going to be able to get very accurate measurements. I'm going to look into buying one front and one rear replacement and sending it to Mark so they can measure them. The main problem is where to start and stop measuring from, I had to estimate the center of the connection of the top and bottom, so I know I'm going to be off a mm here or a mm there, especially with the front since it has a bend in it.

For the front, the top half of the link was around 2 1/4", while the bottom half was around 2", the straight line was about 4" (probably doesn't add up exactly (remember a² + b² = c²? lol). For the rear, it was around 3 1/4" long. It does look like the rear needs to be shorter, just like the front.

I'll see what Mark has to say, since its going to be an adjustable piece, maybe it doesn't need to be super accurate if they make it a little longer than needed, then we can adjust more shorter if needed.

I got some good pictures of the front and rear piece with the wheels off:

Front:


Rear:


The KW delete kit in the front (part with yellow triangle symbol on it), just for fun, there's just one thread left on the front coils!


The jack stand pad, just for fun:


Also, since I had the wheels off, I went ahead and lowered the rear 3/16" to reduce the forward rake, now it looks level if not a slight forward rake.

[will13k7]

To update the thread, Mark@airmatic-lowering-links plans to make some trial linkages this week and send them to me to try out. They are graciously doing this free of charge! These guys are awesome!

[phillyquattro]

To update the thread, Mark@airmatic-lowering-links plans to make some trial linkages this week and send them to me to try out. They are graciously doing this free of charge! These guys are awesome!

That's great to hear. I have an appointment with 034 next week to fabricate some new mount points for the sensors. Planning to start with the front ones and see if that eliminates everything before worrying about the rears. I'll let you know how that goes.

[Benji00]

Awesome stuff. I'm not sure if it's the cold or what but I'm getting errors every time I drive now, which I really enjoy.

[will13k7]

That's great to hear. I have an appointment with 034 next week to fabricate some new mount points for the sensors. Planning to start with the front ones and see if that eliminates everything before worrying about the rears. I'll let you know how that goes.

Nice! Look forward to hearing about the results!

[will13k7]

Awesome stuff. I'm not sure if it's the cold or what but I'm getting errors every time I drive now, which I really enjoy.

lol, I've been telling my wife "my audis are always beeping at me", TPMS, coolant level, and the suspension codes with the S3, TPMS, oil level, and a CEL once with the S4. they love to beep at me on the freeway too.

[markn1689]

lol, I've been telling my wife "my audis are always beeping at me", TPMS, coolant level, and the suspension codes with the S3, TPMS, oil level, and a CEL once with the S4. they love to beep at me on the freeway too.

the s3 is your wifes and you 'upgraded' her suspension and now she gets to deal with all the warnings and beeping?

[will13k7]

the s3 is your wifes and you 'upgraded' her suspension and now she gets to deal with all the warnings and beeping?

she doesn't drive an audi.

[Workflow]

In for updates.

[phillyquattro]

Did some testing at 034 last week only to come up empty handed. Had them do some measurements so I could fill out a tech sheet that KW had sent over. The signal strength on my right rear sensor was about 1.5Ω higher than the rest (1.9Ω compared to the other 3 corners sitting at .4Ω or .5Ω). KW reviewed the details and determined that my kit is not acting correctly. The over nighted me a new kit but it'll be a couple weeks before I have the time to get to it and swap them out. I'll be sure to follow up after making the swap. I'll know if the new kit worked within 2 miles of my drive home.

[phillyquattro]

Finally an update here, but not a positive one. Swapped out the old delete kit with the new one KW sent me. Same results. Threw a code right after the highway onramp not 5 minutes away from 034. At this point I'm just going to live with the error as I've spent enough time and money trying to debug KWs product.

Serious question: Does anyone in an 8V car with magnetic ride have this installed and is not getting errors?

[will13k7]

Swapped out the old delete kit with the new one KW sent me. Same results. Threw a code right after the highway onramp not 5 minutes away from 034.

bummer.

At this point I'm just going to live with the error as I've spent enough time and money trying to debug KWs product.

I also haven't heard from Mark@airmatic-lowering-links about the adjustable links, don't feel like pestering them if they don't have time or don't want to follow-through.

I've also decided just to live with the codes since I really don't have time to deal with it.

[phillyquattro]

Such a bummer. I'll just wait and hope that someone figures out a way to disable it via VCDS or the ECU or some other better product or black magic. I'm open to all possibilities at this point. It's annoying because I won't be able to disable traction control for track events or just having some fun with the car. KW is dead to me.

[Brett]

You guys have any updates on this??

[will13k7]

nothing's changed here. I haven't seen any new products pop up, or else I would try them.

[DWP]

That's why don't get MagRide LOL

That's why I dont have COs (LOL)

[Benji00]

Ya know, with the amount of folks that have aftermarket coils...granted they have to have MR to experience this issue, you'd still think we'd be creating enough noise for KW to correct a known issue with a production product.

Does anyone have the MR+KW module and had 0 issues?

[Cairo94507]

That's why when I buy parts I use my CC. If I bought and installed these KW parts on my car and they did not work as advertised and specified, I would contact my CC company and dispute the charge as a faulty product/false advertising and let the CC company debit the amount from KW's account. I would never accept a fault code on a $50K car that forces me to see it every time I drive it. That is total BS. I will never buy anything from KW.

[jshwon]

I'm still curious about this subject. I know Will and Philly have had persistent issues but there are also those who have had no issues with the delete kit but both are on air ride. One guy local to me had his installed along with his Airlift/Accuair combo and hasn't seen any issues. The other said he had it once but it never came back. The air ride has the adjustability to keep it in range but these guys ride heights are as low or lower than most CO setups.

Just wonder if it is an defect issue or application issue. I'll probably be going air so it makes a difference to me.

[Karbon]

No updates on this ? Other then the light coming on the dash. Does it effect the car at all ?

[will13k7]

other than the annoying light, traction control can't be disabled (or gets re-enabled) when it throws the code, which could be a problem for track guys.

the only thing new is that I found an easier way to get the car to throw a code, which is just drive around 20-40mph and keep steering your car left-to-right, right-to-left, to make your car wiggle a little within a lane.

[Karbon]

That's insane they haven't came out with a solution for this. But with the limited options of springs, we don't have much of a choice.

Coilovers or airride

[Karbon]

What would Happen If you installed coilovers without the delete kit ? It would do the same thing I would imagine. Throw codes etc

Don't see the point in buying it if that's the case.

[robertsonsylee]

User ddillenger (RIP) was able to crack the mag ride on the r8.. maybe someone is brave enough to compare a non mag ride s3 to a mag ride one and do the changes.

http://www.r8talk.com/forums/5-gener...ge=1&_k=b17bmx


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[phillyquattro]

What would Happen If you installed coilovers without the delete kit ? It would do the same thing I would imagine. Throw codes etc

Don't see the point in buying it if that's the case.

My car throws the suspension error every single time I drive it...so I might as well have installed it without the kit.

[Karbon]

My car throws the suspension error every single time I drive it...so I might as well have installed it without the kit.

How annoying is the light? Be honest lol

What coilovers are you running ?

[phillyquattro]

How annoying is the light? Be honest lol

What coilovers are you running ?

Annoying? It's annoying paying $400 for a part that doesn't do what it's supposed to do. It's annoying that said part works for some people, works sometimes for other people, and never works for other people. It's annoying having KW send you a new one and then when the same exact thing happens, try to blame 034 for improper install. GTFO with that nonsense KW. It's annoying explaining to every passenger in your car what the error chime was that they just heard go off. It's annoying not being able to disable traction control because I know as soon as step on it and hit 35-40MPH, or take even a slightly aggressive turn, that error is going to happen and re-enable traction control (not a good thing in certain scenarios). Other than all that...not annoying at all.

I'm running Bilstein B14s with a good drop but by no means aggressive.

I have my original EDC kit sitting in the package in my closet of misc parts. If you want to spend $100 to find out if it works for you as opposed to $400 let me know. I'll throw in a Spulen silicon turbon inlet hose and Spulen "street" dogbone mount as well just to get rid of them (neither have been used).

[Karbon]

That sounds like a nightmare lol - Thanks for the honesty. I'm going to see which route over the weekend. If I decide I need it maybe I'll give it a shot. Appreciate it !!

[Karbon]

Are you sure your running the correct kit will ? Just wondering because I was told to get 68510248 and not the 370 from my supplier.

I'm going to have him cross reference the numbers tomorrow. Maybe he gave me a older part number

[S3BURPS]

Are you sure your running the correct kit will ? Just wondering because I was told to get 68510248 and not the 370 from my supplier.

I'm going to have him cross reference the numbers tomorrow. Maybe he gave me a older part number

Isn't the 68510248 the part number for the 2007-2012 platform S3?


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