Lettuce Build Thread, Fast Cars and Fast Women: Stage 2 and Beyond

[DoItAllGarage]

Started on page 1 of this story! Saw your 80's muscle cars, your killer 1/4 mile times, and stopped at pg 12. Then, i had to fast forward to the end to see if the motor was still holding up. Nope, chitty b8 engine of course failed! My b8's piston compression ring sheared off and a small chuck of the #3 piston. I went with a b8.5 engine as well. Did you notice the crankshaft position sensor on the b8 has a magnetic tip, I did, when a piece of my piston ring was stuck at the very end of the sensor!

I can't wait to see your new track times! Stop sleeping at the light and get that reaction time down!! j/k, Keep up the good work!!

[nycaudi]

I sent them an email with these two pictures asking for an explanation, but I'm way past the point of even entertaining the idea of any sort of help with this motor from them.

This happened to mine and they replaced it free of charge. Look at the thread i opened.

[lettuce]

So, in your opinion, was this one of those "pay to play" scenarios or an actual defect?

Did my driving style exacerbate this issue? Who knows. Would it still have happened if my motor was stock? Dunno. Regardless, in my opinion, something like this should never have happened with my level of modifications.

You now have another spare ko3 that could be sold to recoup some cash too.

Unfortunately the new motor came turboless. I am going to see what I can salvage from my old motor though. The rods, cams, and maybe even the entire head should still be perfectly good. If I don't sell em I might just toss em on my other block.

Started on page 1 of this story! Saw your 80's muscle cars, your killer 1/4 mile times, and stopped at pg 12. Then, i had to fast forward to the end to see if the motor was still holding up. Nope, chitty b8 engine of course failed! My b8's piston compression ring sheared off and a small chuck of the #3 piston. I went with a b8.5 engine as well. Did you notice the crankshaft position sensor on the b8 has a magnetic tip, I did, when a piece of my piston ring was stuck at the very end of the sensor!

I can't wait to see your new track times! Stop sleeping at the light and get that reaction time down!! j/k, Keep up the good work!!

Hah that's awesome. That's a great place to find chunks of your piston ring.

I had never really bothered much with my RT at the track because I figured it didn't matter, but then I almost entered a bracket racing tournament about a month ago and was really thinking I could have used the practice beforehand. From now on at street nights I'm going to focus a bit more on that so I'll be more prepared for some actual racing going forward.

This happened to mine and they replaced it free of charge. Look at the thread i opened.

Don't get my hopes up, man.

[lettuce]

Also, man is this a sight for sore eyes after a 200 mile mini weekend road trip.



This gauge would have been on empty with the old motor.

[Marko S]

Also, man is this a sight for sore eyes after a 200 mile mini weekend road trip.



This gauge would have been on empty with the old motor.

Congrats

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[lettuce]

Fecking hood latch broke the other day. Need to manually activate the hood latch with a coat hanger from under the car now.

My broken latch:


Good latch: (notice the black plastic drum on the left which the cable sits in to keep it taut which is conspicuously missing on mine)


If this happens to you, take off your belly pan and bend a wire coat hanger to have a small hook on the top, snake it up behind your radiator and pull the lever. There's not a lot of resistance in the spring so it's not difficult. Just annoying. Got a new one on order. (view from under the car)

[b6Hate4]

I always used a 3/8" steel dowell to do that. Standard issue feature on the b6's lol.

[lettuce]

New hood latch is in. Oil gauge hasn't dropped a single pixel. Something tells me this build thread is going to start getting pretty quiet.

Until I start hitting the track again in a few weeks, that is.

[4ringnut]

Exhaust...........

[lettuce]

Exhaust...........

4 cylinder engines are better seen and not heard IMO.

[Dub_prime]

4 cylinder engines are better seen and not heard IMO.

Really Yuge turboh, make t-RUMP proud!

[b6Hate4]

4 cylinder engines are better seen and not heard IMO.

You need to hear an AWE equipped car.

[hyperunion]

You need to hear an AWE equipped car.

Exactly!

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[lettuce]

You need to hear an AWE equipped car.

I've seen a few clips on here. Don't get me wrong, it's not bad at all, certainly better than any V6 S4 I've heard, I'm just in no rush to make my car louder. Going for the whole sleeper thing, you know.

Plus if I thought it'd make my car faster it'd be on there already.

[Project Quattro]

AWEs sound amazing, and significantly better in person. Hit up @lambda13 for a ride in his and I think you'll walk away converted.


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[4ringnut]

I've seen a few clips on here. Don't get me wrong, it's not bad at all, certainly better than any V6 S4 I've heard, I'm just in no rush to make my car louder. Going for the whole sleeper thing, you know.

Plus if I thought it'd make my car faster it'd be on there already.

Your car hasn't been a sleeper since you lost the 17" Premium wheels, and dropped it (not quite on its nuts).

[b6Hate4]

AWE Sounds like every other exhaust in a clip. Exhaust clips are the most worthless thing ever. You are selling yourself short by not hearing it.

[4ringnut]

I wouldn't have mentioned the exhaust, and got the rest of the village riled up..............if there were women.

[lettuce]

Your car hasn't been a sleeper since you lost the 17" Premium wheels, and dropped it (not quite on its nuts).

Premium Plus, thank you very much.

And you guys have convinced me. I think after work I'll pop into Lou's Custom and have him weld me up some true duals with Flowmasters.

[TJet1.8]

...not to mention you'll gain 8chp and 7ctq with an AWE system...10 if you put on the stickers...

Seriously though, the AWE system puts a 2.5" pipe from the resonator back...then a 2.25" split between the left and right rear mufflers.
They do actually claim +8 - 9 crank HP and +6 - 7 crank TQ....

[nbk9nbk]

Yeah, my rings are junk.

Forgive me if I'm explaining something you already know (I figure it'll still be helpful for anyone else reading this as I don't think it's common knowledge), but while the problem with these Audis is the shitty piston rings, most of the oil that's getting burned in them isn't getting into the combustion chambers through the rings themselves.

What's happening is the rings aren't able to contain all the boost we're jamming into, compressing and then exploding in our combustion chambers, and that air fuel mixture/exhaust is getting blown through the rings into our crankcase. As I'm sure you know, this is referred to as blow-by (some blow-by on a turbo car is perfectly normal and unavoidable, just not the levels we see with our 2.0ts with bad rings). So now the crankcase is pressurized, and in the process of releasing that pressure (which is the job of the PCV system - aka Positive Crankcase Ventilation system) oil fumes/vapor/mist from the crankcase is getting blown out along with it. This then travels out of the PCV tubes and into our intakes (which is also what's causing all the carbon buildup on our valves), and then eventually into our combustion chambers where it's blown up or vaporized and send out our exhaust in thick plumes of smoke/mist when we're smoking V6 Accords (blbroo wouldn't know anything about this).

So that's what the stage 1 fix is all about on these cars. Audi updated the PCV valve to try to act as a band aid for our shitty rings by making them hold more pressure than originally intended. That's why the seals had to be updated along with it, because they would get blown out with the higher crankcase pressure from the new revised PCVs. That's also why I got this catch can, to hopefully catch some of the oil before it gets burned, reducing the amount of embarrassment I feel every time I step on the gas. I'll still be dumping oil into my engine as often as I do now but hopefully most of it will be getting emptied out of my can in liquid form instead of my exhaust tips in smoke form.

I am putting a newer 2011 motor in our a4 that has the oil consumption fixed by audi as our 2009 was burning oil and it was past the time point and miles of taking it to audi once we found out as our dealer said it was normal.

My question is is it nessary to get the 2009 a4 computer reprogrammed by audi once we put the 2011 motor in.. because audi dose this in stage 1 of there oil fix because it was never updated in out 2009.

Thanks for all the time you have spent on this post

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[lettuce]

I am putting a newer 2011 motor in our a4 that has the oil consumption fixed by audi as our 2009 was burning oil and it was past the time point and miles of taking it to audi once we found out as our dealer said it was normal.

My question is is it nessary to get the 2009 a4 computer reprogrammed by audi once we put the 2011 motor in.. because audi dose this in stage 1 of there oil fix because it was never updated in out 2009.

Thanks for all the time you have spent on this post

I honestly have no idea. My car had the stage 1 fix done years ago, so I have whatever software they installed as a part of that work. Beyond that, I didn't touch my ECU for this motor swap.

Good luck.

[4ringnut]

Premium Plus, thank you very much.

And you guys have convinced me. I think after work I'll pop into Lou's Custom and have him weld me up some true duals with Flowmasters.

I see what you did there.

[jjvwg]

My question is is it nessary to get the 2009 a4 computer reprogrammed by audi once we put the 2011 motor in.. because audi dose this in stage 1 of there oil fix because it was never updated in out 2009.

Thanks for all the time you have spent on this post

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The software update was for the newer revision pcv breather. Not sure if the update is necessary for the newer breather or not though. My mechanic friend who used to be a dealer tech said the purpose of the software update that came with stage 1 created more vacuum on the crankcase in an attempt to create a better seal on the oil rings to reduce oil consumption. Like I said though, not sure if the software update is necessary to run the updated breather but I've heard that because of the increased airflow that comes with the piece it can cause a check engine light sometimes. My friend made it sound like the increased vacuum was caused by the software and not the breather so that's where my question of whether the software is necessary to run the updated breather stems from.

[nbk9nbk]

Thanks guys not sure what to do yet... got a price of 360.00 to 600.00 from my local audi dealership in socal to get it reprogrammed that's y I'm asking..... if it's nessary I may just try and see if it runs without the rest program

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[centralkycarguy]

Excellent work Lettuce, car looks fantastic and it definitely encourages me to get to work on mine. Would love to see some updated track slips as the temperature continues to drop.

[hyperunion]

Thanks guys not sure what to do yet... got a price of 360.00 to 600.00 from my local audi dealership in socal to get it reprogrammed that's y I'm asking..... if it's nessary I may just try and see if it runs without the rest program

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360 for a simple flash??.. that's crazy

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[nbk9nbk]

360 for a simple flash??.. that's crazy

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360 minimum......... 600 max I have had no issues since install

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[Viperke]

How is the sound of the high flow cat??

[Lambda13]

Lettuce, I think you're not far from me now, if you want to hear my exhaust let me know.

[lettuce]

Got some track time in last night. Hit a new PR, if only by a few hundredths of a second. My meth setup has been disabled for the past month or so, so this is still just straight 93. I only ran meth at the track once earlier this year (post here) and hit just under a 109 mph trap. Not sure how much it would have helped last night as the temps were in the 40s and I'm still not tuned for it. Maybe could have hit 110. Maybe not. Maybe fuck yourself.



So +1 for consistency. When I disregard the tree and just go when I'm ready I can launch the thing perfectly every time. My PR ET run of a 12.645 also had a PR 60' time of 1.722, which is damn close to being in the 1.6s which is pretty crazy. I'm spinning off the line every time and the thing just takes the f off.

Was really hoping for a 12.5 but I'm happy nonetheless. Also surprised I was only trapping mid-106s. Last year I was hitting high 107s with the same ETs and temps. Could have been a headwind. Or maybe the guns weren't calibrated. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

[Dub_prime]

Your car is slow...




Just messing with you, nice job man.

[poweredbyaudi7]

Nice! I a, sure it feels good to validate after the swap.

[lettuce]

Your car is slow...

Just messing with you, nice job man.

Nice! I a, sure it feels good to validate after the swap.

It does for sure. I always want to be faster though.

[4ringnut]

You need better tires.

[lettuce]

You need better tires.

I like my tires..

Also APR, get your shit together. I've only had this badge on my car for a few months and it's already pink and faded.



For $25 I expected better. Cheapo Ebay badges from China don't even fade this quickly.

[Rollin Thunder]

Got some track time in last night. Hit a new PR, if only by a few hundredths of a second. My meth setup has been disabled for the past month or so, so this is still just straight 93. I only ran meth at the track once earlier this year (post here) and hit just under a 109 mph trap. Not sure how much it would have helped last night as the temps were in the 40s and I'm still not tuned for it. Maybe could have hit 110. Maybe not. Maybe fuck yourself.



So +1 for consistency. When I disregard the tree and just go when I'm ready I can launch the thing perfectly every time. My PR ET run of a 12.645 also had a PR 60' time of 1.722, which is damn close to being in the 1.6s which is pretty crazy. I'm spinning off the line every time and the thing just takes the f off.

Was really hoping for a 12.5 but I'm happy nonetheless. Also surprised I was only trapping mid-106s. Last year I was hitting high 107s with the same ETs and temps. Could have been a headwind. Or maybe the guns weren't calibrated. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Numbers look real good. Running F23 on 93 without your W/M system def makes me think my K04 setup on E85 could possibly run a very similar time. Really curious to see if B8.5 on E85 K04 kit could acquire a low to mid 12.

[Viperke]

How is the sound off the high flow cat. Is it still drivable. Or is it really that loud?

[lettuce]

How is the sound off the high flow cat. Is it still drivable. Or is it really that loud?

It's barely louder than stock. A little more growl under full throttle, and maybe a tad more throaty off-idle, but honestly most people would be hard-pressed to notice a difference.

[Alex1188]

Curious question... What was the engine code of the new engine you swapped in? CPMA? Looking at doing this on my 09 this coming spring.