Questions for JHM about SC Kit

[troyguitar]

I could be wrong but wouldn't standalone be easier to fine tune instead of having to get JHM to rewrite tunes for you and go through their longer flashing process? If I were running a serious race car I would want to adjust tuning myself at the track in between sessions depending on air density, fuel used, class entered, etc.

Isn't ESC also impossible to defeat using the stock ECU? (short of pulling the ABS fuse which most people are afraid to do)

[EUROSWAGR]

I could be wrong but wouldn't standalone be easier to fine tune instead of having to get JHM to rewrite tunes for you and go through their longer flashing process? If I were running a serious race car I would want to adjust tuning myself at the track in between sessions depending on air density, fuel used, class entered, etc.

Isn't ESC also impossible to defeat using the stock ECU? (short of pulling the ABS fuse which most people are afraid to do)

First off, what the hell are we "fine" tuning. The Supercharger kit will make more power than his motor will ever handle in stock form...that is where you guys are making ZERO sense.

You aren't going to retune your car between lap sessions...especially when your not racing for real. People have "Real" race teams for that shit. You also aren't gonna squeeze more power out of an NA motor if the air density gets worse by tuning it yourself...and tunes like JHM will adapt real time if the air density gets better and will limit and protect the engine if it sucks.

Have we forgot that NO ONE else can tune the BHF, seriously let us argue that point. Some novice tuner on a standalone system is probably going to do one thing...screw shit up.

..and ya there is SO MUCH room for a rear mount turbo...and piping...and a decent intercooler...o wait, no there isn't

[0000 V8]

Whoa, CALM DOWN guys. Im just asking questions here. Its not like my car is in pieces awaiting a turbo install. Im simply trying to plan for the future. It makes perfect sense to ask these questions NOW, before I start investing in more engine upgrades to the stock motor. I dont even know if I want to keep this motor or not.

Justin - I still think you'll go faster with a built 4-cylinder turbo. Especially since 034 has already done basically ALL of the research on their B5 time attack car.

Yes, I agree, Troy. I really dont want to get rid of the V8, so thats why Im asking the hard questions.

Wow..this guy has barely even broken in his current setup, how many track day 2? Are you racing in a legit class or is this all just hobby?

I don't get the turbo thing..there is zero room and tons of cons for a turbo setup.

Again, I need to know this stuff now so I dont waste money on building a motor that I will eventually replace. I have PLENTY of room for a setup like that.

Lol so true. Talk about an attention whore.

Really?

First off, what the hell are we "fine" tuning. The Supercharger kit will make more power than his motor will ever handle in stock form...that is where you guys are making ZERO sense.

Have we forgot that NO ONE else can tune the BHF, seriously let us argue that point. Some novice tuner on a standalone system is probably going to do one thing...screw shit up.

..and ya there is SO MUCH room for a rear mount turbo...and piping...and a decent intercooler...o wait, no there isn't

As I mentioned in my first post, Im just asking questions. Im not really looking for a "if you dont get the JHM SC youre an idiot" response. I have different goals and reasons for my car than yours, so I dont need that answer.

Also, if you dont think 034 can tune a BHF youre dead wrong. Together with there 034EFI, they wrote the book on Audi engine management when nothing existed for years on the older model cars.

I was really hoping that some of the veteran guys could put some constructive information in here but apparently all they care about is answering questions that are not even being asked and making assumptions from THEIR cars into their responses about MY car.

[Austinfritts]

First off, what the hell are we "fine" tuning. The Supercharger kit will make more power than his motor will ever handle in stock form...that is where you guys are making ZERO sense.

You aren't going to retune your car between lap sessions...especially when your not racing for real. People have "Real" race teams for that shit. You also aren't gonna squeeze more power out of an NA motor if the air density gets worse by tuning it yourself...and tunes like JHM will adapt real time if the air density gets better and will limit and protect the engine if it sucks.

Have we forgot that NO ONE else can tune the BHF, seriously let us argue that point. Some novice tuner on a standalone system is probably going to do one thing...screw shit up.

..and ya there is SO MUCH room for a rear mount turbo...and piping...and a decent intercooler...o wait, no there isn't

obviously you know nothing about rear mounts they don't need massive intercoolers and theres plenty of room ...... they run low boost around 5 psi.. why don't you look at sts turbo kits tell me theres no room they put twin turbos on smaller cars.........

[EUROSWAGR]

obviously you know nothing about rear mounts they don't need massive intercoolers and theres plenty of room ...... they run low boost around 5 psi.. why don't you look at sts turbo kits tell me theres no room they put twin turbos on smaller cars.........

Actually I know plenty...you just described a setup that is going to be way less efficient than the supercharger kit. Why would someone want to upgrade to a rear mount turbo setup that will have more weight with piping than the supercharger kit?not to forget lag and heat? I'm not gonna argue over the little things though.

This thread was pointless from the get go..OP started the thread...he asked this...

Regarding a B6 S4 kit, stage 1.

1) Do you have any idea what the weight of the kit is, specifically, I would like to know how much weight is being added in front of the motor (for those specific components) and perhaps the additional weight of the remainder of the components.

2) Would anything change as far as capabilities of the setup (not including a built motor, obviously) if the kit was added with a custom stand-alone tune using 034EFI, instead of a JHM tune on a stock ECU? I ask because the stock ECU can have limits, and I can do a 034EFI setup with full race tune.

P.S. This is not a street car.

Jake answered...

than he asks more pointless questions..

Jake, thanks for the quick reply.

I understand the limits of the motor, I was just curious if the stock ECU limits the powerband at all. 034 has offered to do a 034EFI on my car, especially since I have a stand alone fuel system and crazy fuel pump. Any benefits you think?

I dont want to get flamed for saying this, but im researching the price comparison vs. weight amount and location for a turbo setup. I would call it a rear-mounted, but if youve seen my exhaust, it would be more of a "mid-mounted" setup residing in the area where my stock fuel cell used to be. Lots of room and I like the idea of being able to turn boost way down for events that will put me in a low race class. That with the 034EFI could prove useful, just need to work out price.

Im not trying to under rate your SC kit, just looking into other options for MY car since its very different than any of your other customers. I understand just going with the SC kit would be the most reliable, however, given my above statements and goals... I need to research. The absolute last thing I want to do is ADD 50-70lbs to the front of the motor. I would rather do a swap for a lighter motor.

So he understands the motor limits, but wonders if stand alone will benefit power band???...WHAT??

Then he mentions the rear turbo setup (that isn't gonna be any CHEAPER...or less weight...and he still has the heavy ass BHF in there that sits out over the nose like an anvil...and it still needs tuned)

Lastly, he states he would rather do a swap for a lighter motor instead of add the weight...well than do it.

I really just believe this guy creates threads for attention...he is worried about 50-70lbs on the nose of his gutted race car, but he ignores the proven reliability and the fact that his car will be around 420whp...in a gutted B6 that thing will move...Hell the spoiler you can see from the moon may actually come in handy. In the end it's your car, but this could have just been a simple email or PM to Jake...but you wouldn't have been able to mention race car and you research to everyone, .

You would have been better off buying a wrecked A4 and throw all the parts at it, instead you choose to ruin an S4...and if you do remove the heart of the B6/7 S4, honestly the one part you have left on it that is original..what is the point?

[0000 V8]

So he understands the motor limits, but wonders if stand alone will benefit power band???...WHAT??

Then he mentions the rear turbo setup (that isn't gonna be any CHEAPER...or less weight...and he still has the heavy ass BHF in there that sits out over the nose like an anvil...and it still needs tuned)

Lastly, he states he would rather do a swap for a lighter motor instead of add the weight...well than do it.

I really just believe this guy creates threads for attention...he is worried about 50-70lbs on the nose of his gutted race car, but he ignores the proven reliability and the fact that his car will be around 420whp...in a gutted B6 that thing will move...Hell the spoiler you can see from the moon may actually come in handy. In the end it's your car, but this could have just been a simple email or PM to Jake...but you wouldn't have been able to mention race car and you research to everyone, .

You would have been better off buying a wrecked A4 and throw all the parts at it, instead you choose to ruin an S4...and if you do remove the heart of the B6/7 S4, honestly the one part you have left on it that is original..what is the point?

This is a forum, is it not? I dont see anything wrong with asking JHM a question about something on a forum, considering they are hard to get a hold of any other avenue. I also wanted to get people to chime in their ideas, without being disgruntled about it and giving me a hard time. Im sorry Im not an expert like you.

I asked questions about the ECU because I wanted to know if it was limiting what the car can do throughout its powerband, as in wont a more programmable ECU not have factory limits and be able to change various things to match MY car rather than a car setup with factory fueling, etc.? I just dont know the answer to this and JHM does. I dont know a lot about ECU's. Would it please you next time if I PM YOU before asking a question on a question asking forum?

Perhaps I should have started the thread will the info about what powerplant to go with/stay with, but my main question started with the weight aspects because thats what was on my mind. How could you say im looking for attention? I barely posted anything outside of my own build thread asking for any help. I think if people werent interested in my build they would probably not response to my posts. The only reason I started a build thread to begin with is to share my experiences, again, isnt that what a forum is for?

Maybe I would have been better off buying an A4, but guess what.... I didnt have an A4. I sold most of my OEM S4 parts for money than what I would have getten from A4 parts, and that helped me in the build.

Im researching to change my motor because its the best course of action, not because I want attention.

Some of you guys are so emotional on this forum. Im just asking questions.

[troyguitar]

Im just asking questions.

You're not supposed to ask questions here. Just buy whatever JHM is selling and be happy about it!

[ess_four]

Some of you guys are so emotional on this forum. Im just asking questions.

10/10 for politeness. Some of the contributors on this thread are just being fecking eejit's. Ignore them they add no value whatsoever.

[Lance.Hawk]

This is a forum, is it not? I dont see anything wrong with asking JHM a question about something on a forum, considering they are hard to get a hold of any other avenue. I also wanted to get people to chime in their ideas, without being disgruntled about it and giving me a hard time. Im sorry Im not an expert like you.

I asked questions about the ECU because I wanted to know if it was limiting what the car can do throughout its powerband, as in wont a more programmable ECU not have factory limits and be able to change various things to match MY car rather than a car setup with factory fueling, etc.? I just dont know the answer to this and JHM does. I dont know a lot about ECU's. Would it please you next time if I PM YOU before asking a question on a question asking forum?

Perhaps I should have started the thread will the info about what powerplant to go with/stay with, but my main question started with the weight aspects because thats what was on my mind. How could you say im looking for attention? I barely posted anything outside of my own build thread asking for any help. I think if people werent interested in my build they would probably not response to my posts. The only reason I started a build thread to begin with is to share my experiences, again, isnt that what a forum is for?

Maybe I would have been better off buying an A4, but guess what.... I didnt have an A4. I sold most of my OEM S4 parts for money than what I would have getten from A4 parts, and that helped me in the build.

Im researching to change my motor because its the best course of action, not because I want attention.

Some of you guys are so emotional on this forum. Im just asking questions.

Ensure you run any questions you have through Swagr prior to posting or you will be flogged!! Stop asking clown questions brah....lol Jeez this platform is becoming ridiculous....asking for opinions....posting questions...sharing experiences......what do you guys think this forum is for? Duh it is for awesome reviews of JHM and trolling those who go their own direction. For christ sake we are doing you independent thinkers a service by helping you save your hard earned money to buy more parts from a quality company. Swagr and JHM FTW!!!!

Do your thing OP don't worry about what anyone thinks. 034 knows what they are doing and in all seriousness JHM is good too. You'll be fine either way but sounds like you are going light weight smaller displacement. Good luck.

[madkimchi]

Some of you guys are so emotional on this forum. Im just asking questions.

there are ton of JHM fan boys here on this board. Unless you have a positive thing to say about JHM, i suggest you keep your mouth shut.

[Lance.Hawk]

there are ton of JHM fan boys here on this board. Unless you have a positive thing to say about JHM, i suggest you keep your mouth shut.

Whats amusing is in this case he said that he is aware of JHMs greatness and was still trolled....SMH.

[Omerta]

This is a forum, is it not? I dont see anything wrong with asking JHM a question about something on a forum, considering they are hard to get a hold of any other avenue. I also wanted to get people to chime in their ideas, without being disgruntled about it and giving me a hard time. Im sorry Im not an expert like you.

I asked questions about the ECU because I wanted to know if it was limiting what the car can do throughout its powerband, as in wont a more programmable ECU not have factory limits and be able to change various things to match MY car rather than a car setup with factory fueling, etc.? I just dont know the answer to this and JHM does. I dont know a lot about ECU's. Would it please you next time if I PM YOU before asking a question on a question asking forum?

Perhaps I should have started the thread will the info about what powerplant to go with/stay with, but my main question started with the weight aspects because thats what was on my mind. How could you say im looking for attention? I barely posted anything outside of my own build thread asking for any help. I think if people werent interested in my build they would probably not response to my posts. The only reason I started a build thread to begin with is to share my experiences, again, isnt that what a forum is for?

Maybe I would have been better off buying an A4, but guess what.... I didnt have an A4. I sold most of my OEM S4 parts for money than what I would have getten from A4 parts, and that helped me in the build.

Im researching to change my motor because its the best course of action, not because I want attention.

Some of you guys are so emotional on this forum. Im just asking questions.

Well said, theres a shit load of JHM Fanboiii's getting butthurt if you think outside the box... I'm toying with the idea of doing a remote turbo as well, but still need to price out the system and plan the location. Maximizing HP/$ is the end goal, but it appears the BHF isn't cheap to even make small gains.

[Axel-]

Well said, theres a shit load of JHM Fanboiii's getting butthurt if you think outside the box... I'm toying with the idea of doing a remote turbo as well, but still need to price out the system and plan the location. Maximizing HP/$ is the end goal, but it appears the BHF isn't cheap to even make small gains.

Define small gains. Shaving off 0.5 to 1 second in the 1/4 mile for $1200 isn't too shabby IMO but everyone has a different perspective.