My EuroCode experience (Headers and APR Stage II)

[Blackhawk878]

Had decided to take the plunge and go from APR stage 1 to Stage 2 with EuroCode headers while switching from Milltek non-res to resonated a few months back and finally got the time to get the install done. Holy shit what a difference!! Next will be a stopping power upgrade for sure.

First, a little about my experience with Eurocode. I chose to drive to them for the header install for my own comfort. There were other options but none with the level of experience concerning headers that Ecode has, hell they designed them, go to the source whenever possible right. I was in town for business and managed to set everything up well in advance to accommodate my schedule. Took the car in Friday morning, dropped it off with Chris and David. Got to listen to David’s MY13 S4 with headers and Milltek resonated first hand, videos just don’t do the system justice. This is the top reason I chose Ecode for the install, they not only produce very nice products but they also use them on their personal vehicles and through their use, the products and procedures continue to evolve to perfection.

The level of customer care received is second to none. Did everything they should do and then some. They finished up with everything about 4:30pm and it was time for me to head back to Vegas, had very important things to do the next day. He made sure I had their after-hours contact info if a problem should arise and also sent me on my way with some additional coolant in case it was a little low from the refill/purge procedure. For me, attention to detail is where companies make or break themselves. Eurocode’s knowledge and enthusiasm concerning his products and the way they do business is a model I wish more businesses would follow.

There are several reviews of the headers and I can tell you I agree with them all. Of course when you combine them with the simultaneous upgrade to the stage2 pulley the increase in power is ridiculous. The car moves so much more effortlessly now you wonder why everyone is going so slow only to realize you’re just quitely cruising along at 95. I can also comment on the level of cabin noise when coupled with the Milltek resonated system. Cruising at highway speeds, it is actually quieter than my non-res system, absolutely zero drone, and that was with the back seats down during the four hour drive from Torrance back to Vegas ;). Very civilized when it needs to be and visceral at WOT.

Sincere thanks to David, Greg and Chris for helping me through this several month process from procurement to install. If you are considering headers and are in the vicinity or willing to make the drive, you cannot chose wiser.

Will be back for more :)

Sorry I left my camera in Vegas so I don't have any pics, car looks like a stock S4, will be working on that soon as well.....

[blackESfour]

i agree! i had some complications with my headers and they were Amazing to deal with! And having the headers and and Stg2 is night and day!

[well_armed]

How many man hours do they charge to install the headers?

Do they have to pull the motor?

Did you baseline dyno your car? I wonder what your HP gains are...

[S4charged]

How many man hours do they charge to install the headers?

Do they have to pull the motor?

Did you baseline dyno your car? I wonder what your HP gains are...

+1

[blackESfour]

How many man hours do they charge to install the headers?

Do they have to pull the motor?

Did you baseline dyno your car? I wonder what your HP gains are...

For me they had to pull the motor, apparently you can do it by going through the transmission. my cost was 1200 for the labor. and total hours i think it was 10 or 11. I was the first headers for the shop that did it.

[Blackhawk878]

How many man hours do they charge to install the headers?

Do they have to pull the motor?

Did you baseline dyno your car? I wonder what your HP gains are...

In my case they did not drop the motor, nor do I think they need to anymore as they have perfected their technique in installing the headers. Although DSG do cost more to install because the DSG is much larger than the 6MT making the process more difficult and time consuming trying to move the parts around with very little clearance. Give them a call they will take care of you.

Unfortunately I have no dyno pulls to measure my gains, wish I did. I barely had time to do get the install done then it was back on the road for me.

[well_armed]

$2400 for the headers.
$1200 labor.
$260 tax.
$3860 total (without tune)

Nice to have, but No thanks.

[Blackhawk878]

Yes, they are very nice to have. I made the purchase of the items (headers, pulley, resonators) over the course of several months so I wasn't buying everything at the same time. I figured after stage II there isn't much else you can do without a bunch more money and custom work. Until APR releases stage III of course.

[S4charged]

$2400 for the headers.
$1200 labor.
$260 tax.
$3860 total (without tune)

Nice to have, but No thanks.

How much would you be willing to pay for headers + install?
Just curious, I also think it's too much cost for gains you get.

[PaperishPlastic]

The headers are a little pricey but they are definitely worth it. They make a very noticeable difference.

[Mtoor]

will be moved in 3...2....

[well_armed]

How much would you be willing to pay for headers + install?
Just curious, I also think it's too much cost for gains you get.

I probably would pay for the headers, if the gains were more than that. My brain looks at the hp delta with a tune and then applies that pricing to the headers and it brings back "too much."

[oc cc]

$2400 for the headers.
$1200 labor.
$260 tax.
$3860 total (without tune)

Nice to have, but No thanks.

Spoken like someone who has never sat in an S4 with headers.... If you REALLY wanna get into it, you know what's the most retarded? Exhaust systems. They literally provide nothing more than sound, and average systems for the S4 go above $2400. Why would you pay that much just for sound, an no increase in performance???? It's not like you S4 guys get it for the quad tips that us A4 guys get them for, right? But I don't see anyone complaining about the prices of those...

My point is, you can't knock it till you've seen/driven it. Every review raves about it, and truth be told, it is friggen epic. I have been in PaperishPlastic's car, and when we met up 2 days ago he revved it for me and it was unreal. I never thought I'd say this, but that V6 sounds better than most V8s.

[S4charged]

I would love to hear one in person. I'm curious though if you get more gains going Stage2 + Pulley or Stage 1 + Headers..

I was about to order a pulley... maybe i should wait..

[13S4]

You will get way more out of Stage 2 + Pulley. One you already have Stage 2, headers is the next step.

[S4charged]

You will get way more out of Stage 2 + Pulley. One you already have Stage 2, headers is the next step.

I guess I will go ahead and order the pulley then

[Blackhawk878]

I would love to hear one in person.

What part of the US are you located? Maybe someone on here is in your area with a set on.

[DATZ]

If you can, I'd love to hear a video of what the headers sound like on your DSG. I know it won't do it justice, but I really want to hear what the DSG shift fart souds like with the headers on (I've ridden in a 6mt with the EC headers so I know how awesome they sound in general). Thanks!

[richib86]

you should hear it now with my revised exhaust

If you can, I'd love to hear a video of what the headers sound like on your DSG. I know it won't do it justice, but I really want to hear what the DSG shift fart souds like with the headers on (I've ridden in a 6mt with the EC headers so I know how awesome they sound in general). Thanks!

[ENV²]

you should hear it now with my revised exhaust

Rich I want to hear your car in person. I have seen it more than once but always just parked with nobody around. Are you going on any runs ?

[Deckdout2]

Need some sound clips people.......

[oc cc]

Don't worry I spoke with David at Eurocode not too long ago, he is readying dynos and sound clips when he gets a chance. Keep an eye on this thread.

[richib86]

http://www.audizine.com/forum/showth...rocode+headers

Don't worry I spoke with David at Eurocode not too long ago, he is readying dynos and sound clips when he gets a chance. Keep an eye on this thread.

[Blackhawk878]

Didn't get chance to do much before I hit the road again for work. Will be back next week and can find a suitable place to get some sound/vid clips.

[richib86]

should sound exactly the same as the videos i posted

Didn't get chance to do much before I hit the road again for work. Will be back next week and can find a suitable place to get some sound/vid clips.

[David@EuroCode]

Link to thread covering B8 S4 Dyno info

EuroCode Long Tube headers produce 25 horsepower to the wheels over a tuned B8 S4 and over 15 foot pounds torque higher to the wheels through the entire power band over a tuned B8 S4. In every case the power band is much smoother whenever the headers are being used.

The most gains were achieved on a stock vehicle where we gained over 30 horsepower to the wheels. This would equate to about 38 horsepower at the crankshaft. Most aftermarket exhaust manufacturers advertise less than 9HP gain for a full system with downpipes (which is required for those gains) ranging in price from $2100 all the way up to $2850. We feel that a 30+ horsepower gain over any possible configuration for a B8 S4 3.0 TFSI tuned or otherwise stock at $2395 is a far greater deal than a cat back system for around $2500 any day.


Stock vs EuroCode Tuning Long Tube Headers only


Stock vs APR 91 Octane Programming V 1.0



Stock vs EuroCode Tuning Long Tube Headers with APR 91 Octane Programming V 1.0



APR 91 Octane Programming vs Eurocode Tuning Long Tube Headers with APR 91 Octane Programming V 1.0


Here is a dyno run submitted by a customer in Las Vegas from March of this year on a mustang Dyno. The vehicle was equipped with APR V2.0 with pulley, Milltek cat back, Carbonio intake and EuroCode headers using 100oct mode. 460 horsepower to the wheels and 384 foot pounds torque to the wheels. We were able to duplicate this result for a magazine shoot out on a Dynapack which will be released in Jan or Feb of 2013 issue of european car magazine.


Two video clips demonstrating the power of header vs stock manifolds.




Here are some sound clip videos for you to enjoy!




Be sure to check out this comprehensive review conducted by one of our customers

Good read on the performance of EuroCode headers

[David@EuroCode]

Some more video clips with exhaust sound for you to review

[David@EuroCode]

more :)





Thank you for taking the time to read my long as post, hope it has been informative.

[Deckdout2]

I have a couple questions David........

Are there any CEL's after install and if there are, how do you resolve them?

Are you able to assist with the details of the install? Do you have any documentation on install procedures? I would think that would definitely incline more sales of these great products. I'd like to think of myself as pretty mechanically inclined, but a guide of some sort, and some tips and tricks would make this more enticing to purchase, as I'm not paying someone over $1000 to install these for me......It's just not happening.

[S4charged]

I have a couple questions David........

Are there any CEL's after install and if there are, how do you resolve them?

Are you able to assist with the details of the install? Do you have any documentation on install procedures? I would think that would definitely incline more sales of these great products. I'd like to think of myself as pretty mechanically inclined, but a guide of some sort, and some tips and tricks would make this more enticing to purchase, as I'm not paying someone over $1000 to install these for me......It's just not happening.

Can you pull the motor? Or the tranny?

[PaperishPlastic]

I have a couple questions David........

Are there any CEL's after install and if there are, how do you resolve them?

Are you able to assist with the details of the install? Do you have any documentation on install procedures? I would think that would definitely incline more sales of these great products. I'd like to think of myself as pretty mechanically inclined, but a guide of some sort, and some tips and tricks would make this more enticing to purchase, as I'm not paying someone over $1000 to install these for me......It's just not happening.

Ive had my headers for a couple of months now. No Cell's at all.

[David@EuroCode]

I have a couple questions David........

Are there any CEL's after install and if there are, how do you resolve them?

We re-locate the O2 sensor far enough back and have only had a few incidents where the lights comes on occasionally. We supply you with the necessary OEM adaptors and extension wires to achive this along with new bungs to be welded on. APR now has a file which will eliminate this issue all together if you have their tune.

Are you able to assist with the details of the install? Do you have any documentation on install procedures? I would think that would definitely incline more sales of these great products. I'd like to think of myself as pretty mechanically inclined, but a guide of some sort, and some tips and tricks would make this more enticing to purchase, as I'm not paying someone over $1000 to install these for me......It's just not happening.

If you are mechanically inclined we can send you the necessary pages from the factory repair manual to help guide you through the R&I of the factory manifolds.

The team @ EuroCode has managed to install the headers without removing the engine from a DSG equipped B8 S4. This also means you no longer have to discharging the AC system. We still would recommend that you drop the engine if you do not have access to an automotive lift.

[David@EuroCode]

Can you pull the motor? Or the tranny?

You dont need to pull the trans or the motor if you have a lift.

[PaperishPlastic]

Can you pull the motor? Or the tranny?

why would you want to pull on a tranny? I thought you were from California not Bangkok.

[richib86]

why would you want to pull on a tranny? I thought you were from California not Bangkok.

lol

[oc cc]

Here is what I always tell people regarding installing hardware. Sure, why pay someone say $50 to install something like an intake, when you can do it to yourself. However, with parts such as headers, ecu removal, etc, it is worth the money for a professional install because if anything goes wrong, the company who did the install is liable and must fix it. And considering Eurocode team consists of very down to earth people who will do their best to fix problems out of pocket, it is worth the customer service alone. Trust me dude, it is just not worth it to try and do yourself unless you have experience as a tech/mechanic. With Eurocode, you don't even have to think twice about things going right, and IF they don't, you can rest assured knowing they will fix it. I myself follow a philosophy of paying good money for good service. Majority of people who installed these did it professionally and share my sentiments, and will gladly tell you that even though they may be mechanically inclined, it was well worth it. And why not go to the source if you can :)

[S4charged]

why would you want to pull on a tranny? I thought you were from California not Bangkok.

Lol.

I read that installation requires pulling out the motor or the transmission. Am i wrong?!

[petrashevsky]

Sound wise, have these only been installed and sounding great with Milltek resonated? I remember Richi had them on with Fast Intentions exhaust and that was way too loud. Same goes for Milltek non-res.
Has anyone tried EC headers with AWE exhaust? resonated or stock downpipes?

[richib86]

the guys at eurotech installed on an AWE car and said it was loud but sounded great, i havent heard it personally yet

Sound wise, have these only been installed and sounding great with Milltek resonated? I remember Richi had them on with Fast Intentions exhaust and that was way too loud. Same goes for Milltek non-res.
Has anyone tried EC headers with AWE exhaust? resonated or stock downpipes?

[DATZ]

the guys at eurotech installed on an AWE car and said it was loud but sounded great, i havent heard it personally yet

I heard it, but only idling (Danek started it up for me when I was picking up their black trim pieces). It was LOUD on cold start-up but mellowed some when the RPM's dropped. Unlike the Miltek setup which sounds almost stock while idling, you could tell the AWE car had some serious engine mods on it even just sitting there. Can't imagine it at WOT; may be a bit much for everyday driving, although still pretty awesome.