cayenne brake upgrade ???? what rotors????

[BlkdoutS4]

so any news on the rear cayenne kit. patiently waiting

something with the design doesnt make it possible without a whole bunch of modification... Jay told me all about it last time i was up at JHM but i cant remember exactly what the problem was.

[Raacerx]

something with the design doesnt make it possible without a whole bunch of modification... Jay told me all about it last time i was up at JHM but i cant remember exactly what the problem was.

aside from modifying the e-brake, I don't see the issue? It requires quite a nice bracket, but anything is possible. 2Bennett uses the Cayenne/Touareg rear caliper on their BBK. However, there might be some nice alternatives. I really would only like a 2 piston, don't need more then that.

[VegasAIV]

what would be the best pads to run with the tourag setup?

edit: big thx to Raacerx for helpin me out, didnt mean to nag ya man but thx a ton!

[audimeister]

[QUOTE=VegasAIV;4558782]what would be the best pads to run with the tourag setup?
[QUOTE]

It was about time for an update, eh?

Been doing a bit more research on the subject, and some guys on vortex are having good luck with the 330mm pads with 350mm calipers and 345mm rotors. On my current setup, the pads are right on the outside edge of the rotor, and hang over the inside 1-2mm. Aparently, the 330mm pads are slightly smaller and don't overhang the edges.

Very happy with Hawk HPS for aggressive stage 3 street use- good power, good feel, no fade, no dust, no noise.

The other rotor option others have been working on is the ML55 that I mentioned midway through the thread. It is a true 350x32, but the center bore is too big. They have been using hubcentric wheel rings to make up the diff and center the rotor. Good news is a true 350mm rotor (but not cross drilled) with no machining necessary.

[jeproks]

If anybody is interested, I have a brand new set of OEM Porsche pads that I'll sell for $100 shipped. PM me.

[diabolical1]

this thread is filled with some great information. thank you to all.

[VegasAIV]

Seeing as were running porsche calipers (toureg being the V6 Cayenne Calipers if im not mistaken) wouldnt I be able to run a V6 Cayenne rotor thats 330x32 such as this one:

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/2004-...#ht_1904wt_996

[audimeister]

Seeing as were running porsche calipers (toureg being the V6 Cayenne Calipers if im not mistaken) wouldnt I be able to run a V6 Cayenne rotor thats 330x32 such as this one:

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/2004-...#ht_1904wt_996

No, offset and drilling are waaayyy off.

[Raacerx]

My setup. I am running some cheapo Thermoquiet pads, $60. They have yet to fade and I put them through the paces today. I have a set of Hawk HPS to go in. They are my favorite pad for aggressive street. They can handle some very mild track time as long as you don't late brake. Here are some pics I took today.





PS. Vegas, I didn't mean to come off mean, I just try to encourage people to find the information on their own. The offset is way off for the Touareg/Cayenne rotors as audimeister mentioned. I would stick with the Mercedes rotors. The C32 AMG rotors only take 5 minutes to modify. I have the 330mm setup, but I may be upgrading to the 350mm calipers and 345mm rotors soon.

PPS. These are the HPS pad dimensions for the 330mm rotor and 350mm rotor. Both pads do fit in either caliper. The difference is the height of the pad.

[Z3R013]

Why did JHM raise the price of the carrier bolts?!?! I thought $45 was a lot for some bolts! what a thanksgiving downer :(

[Raacerx]

Why did JHM raise the price of the carrier bolts?!?! I thought $45 was a lot for some bolts! what a thanksgiving downer :(

If you have access to a lathe, you could make them pretty quick. However, if you think about it, say these bolts are $5 each. Thats $20 per set in materials. Since they are made in house (machining down the shoulder to 16mm), you had to imagine there being probably about 15-30 minutes of labor per set as well. Add in the cost of labor, and they most likely weren't making anything for $45. $65 I imagine helps them cover their cost, because I don't believe they anticipated so many people sourcing themselves Touareg and Cayenne calipers.

That being said, $65 for 4 shoulder bolts is... well... its very very expensive IMO. 14mm bolt with a copper bushing sure sounds like a better deal now. However... if you think about the overall cost of things, you are saving hundreds and hundreds and hundreds of dollars compared to buying the a kit from a retailer or JHM, so what is an extra $20 in the overall scheme of things?

It is good to support these companies. If i can save $100 doing something on my own, then that is an obvious choice. But if building my own hardware for the Touareg calipers only saves me about $20... I will happily help support JHM.

[Z3R013]

Yeah I know... its just a piss off I didn't order two weeks ago and save myself 20 bucks

Got my calipers all painted. I am just waiting for rotors and hardware.

[BlkdoutS4]

Yeah I know... its just a piss off I didn't order two weeks ago and save myself 20 bucks

Got my calipers all painted. I am just waiting for rotors and hardware.

looks sweet! thats what i will be doing with mine but i think i am gonna use silver decals to match my paint.

[pzp107]

I have the hardware for sale for 40 bucks shipped if anyone needs it.

[Z3R013]

I have the hardware for sale for 40 bucks shipped if anyone needs it.

PM sent!

[manhertm]

Yeah I know... its just a piss off I didn't order two weeks ago and save myself 20 bucks

Got my calipers all painted. I am just waiting for rotors and hardware.

Where did you get you decals and what sizer are they?

[Raacerx]

http://www.ctbrakes.com/pads/porsche.htm

List of all Carbotech pads. The Porsche 330mm is the same as the Touareg 330mm. They offer the AT6, which is an aggressive street pad (above the Hawk HPS), the XP10, XP12, and more. These are some good pads. I have never ran them myself, but there are lots of people liking them in these cars. Just thought I'd pass this around, since i found it hard to find good race pads at first for the Touareg 330mm calipers. It is much easier for the normal 350mm Porsche / Touareg. 17" wheel is the key search term here. If you run the part numbers through google, there are a few people advertising them.

CAYENNE 2008 Bobcat 1521 AX6 XP8 XP10 XP12 XP16
368mm Front Disc F: CT1349 $197 $213 $230 $248 $268 $289
350mm Front Disc F: CT1014 $193 $216 $233 $250 $265 $281
330mm Front Disc F: CT1007 $171 $185 $199 $215 $233 $251

PS. Would like to get me some of those 368mm brakes. :)

[awd2ks4]

Where did you get you decals and what sizer are they?

Pretty sure those are stickers from ebay

[Z3R013]

Yeah, they are... I had them make it in a custom 6" x 1" so they fill the whole caliper. I was afraid of just putting a little (3") sticker on it might look bad. I bought them from nicedecal168. They are High temp vinyl too.

Pretty sure those are stickers from ebay

[BlkdoutS4]

Where did you get you decals and what sizer are they?

you can get them on ebay

[manhertm]

Yeah, they are... I had them make it in a custom 6" x 1" so they fill the whole caliper. I was afraid of just putting a little (3") sticker on it might look bad. I bought them from nicedecal168. They are High temp vinyl too.

Yeah, that's what been stopping me from getting the Brembo decal, it was either too little or too big. I ended up ordering some Porsche decals, but I think I will contact the guy you purchased from.

[mkvR32-709]

I have 2008 R32 and have been looking around at different aftermarket brake kits. I then stumbled upon this thread and was wondering if any other VAG caliper would work with my stock setup? I'd like at least a dual piston setup where my stock calipers have one large piston. When braking they have a very "on" or "off" feel. The specs for my fronts are 13.6" (345mm x 30mm).

Any advice would be appreciated.

Thanks,
R.

[pzp107]

your offsets for the rotor is different so we wouldnt be able to help you with this.

[pzp107]

if anyone needs a set of c32 amg rotors (slotted only) with black powdercoated veins and rotor hat I have a pair for sale for 275 shipped. Less than 500 miles on them. They were pictured in my previous posts if you want to see or pm me for a picture.

[Z3R013]

This should get him started,

APPLICATION NOTES: 2PCS 203 421 13 12



MERCEDES BENZ C230
year Type liter del. asp. vin designation where used position notes
2004 L4 1.8 FI S Front Brake Disc Front Kompressor; Sedan; w/ sport package Vented; Cross-drilled; 330mm diameter
2003 L4 1.8 FI S Front Brake Disc Front Kompressor; Sedan; w/ sport package Vented; Cross-drilled; 330mm diameter

MERCEDES BENZ C240
year Type liter del. asp. vin designation where used position notes
2005 V6 2.6 FI N 112.912 Front Brake Disc Front w/ sport package Vented; Cross-drilled; 330mm diameter
2004 V6 2.6 FI N 112.912 Front Brake Disc Front w/ sport package Vented; Cross-drilled; 330mm diameter
2003 V6 2.6 FI N 112.912 Front Brake Disc Front w/ sport package Vented; Cross-drilled; 330mm diameter
2002 V6 2.6 FI N 112.912 Front Brake Disc Front w/ sport package Vented; Cross-drilled; 330mm diameter
2001 V6 2.6 FI N Front Brake Disc Front w/ sport package Vented; Cross-drilled; 330mm diameter

MERCEDES BENZ C320
year Type liter del. asp. vin designation where used position notes
2005 V6 3.2 FI N Front Brake Disc Front Sedan; Wagon; w/ sport package Vented; Cross-drilled; 330mm diameter
2004 V6 3.2 FI N 112.946 Front Brake Disc Front Sedan; Wagon; w/ sport package Vented; Cross-drilled; 330mm diameter
2003 V6 3.2 FI N 112.946 Front Brake Disc Front Sedan; Wagon; w/ sport package Vented; Cross-drilled; 330mm diameter
2002 V6 3.2 FI N 112.946 Front Brake Disc Front Sedan; Wagon; w/ sport package Vented; Cross-drilled; 330mm diameter
2001 V6 3.2 FI N Front Brake Disc Front Sedan; Wagon; w/ sport package Vented; Cross-drilled; 330mm diameter

MERCEDES BENZ C280 4MATIC
year Type liter del. asp. vin designation where used position notes
2007 V6 3.0 FI N 272.941 Front Brake Disc Front w/ sport package Vented; Cross-drilled; 330mm diameter
2006 V6 3.0 FI N 272.941 Front Brake Disc Front w/ sport package Vented; Cross-drilled; 330mm diameter

MERCEDES BENZ C230 KOMPRESSOR
year Type liter del. asp. vin designation where used position notes
2005 L4 1.8 FI S Front Brake Disc Front Sedan; w/ sport package Vented; Cross-drilled; 330mm diameter

MERCEDES BENZ C230 SPORT
year Type liter del. asp. vin designation where used position notes
2007 V6 2.5 FI N 272.920 Front Brake Disc Front Vented; Cross-drilled; 330mm diameter
2007 V6 2.5 FI N 272.920 Front Brake Disc Front w/ sport package; Code 949 & 950 Vented; Cross-drilled; 330mm diameter
2006 V6 2.5 FI N 272.920 Front Brake Disc Front w/ sport package; Code 949 & 950 Vented; Cross-drilled; 330mm diameter

Are all of these rotors asymmetrical? which ones will the veins face the same way on both sides? I found out the 2004 MB Zimmerman c230 aren't. I am sending them back and trying to find a cheap directional rotor. Thanks.

[pzp107]

mine are directional I have for sale

[pzp107]

and the machining was done already, professionally

[Raacerx]

Are all of these rotors asymmetrical? which ones will the veins face the same way on both sides? I found out the 2004 MB Zimmerman c230 aren't. I am sending them back and trying to find a cheap directional rotor. Thanks.

You know dude, Partsgeek is the only place I have heard of the same direction rotors thing happening. I liked their prices but something seems to be up. The other 5 sets of C230 rotors I have bought, have all been normal left and right. I guess I will go back to the $180 pair instead of $150. I'll post the link when I can find the bill for them.

[Z3R013]

Thanks. I have decided to go with some Brembo cross drilled sport rotors from JDMhub.com for the c230 sport. They are pretty much the same price as the Zimmerman's but come with both right and left plus they are Brembo. Full 6 pot Brembo BBK for around $650 I can't wait.

[BlkdoutS4]

Thanks. I have decided to go with some Brembo cross drilled sport rotors from JDMhub.com for the c230 sport. They are pretty much the same price as the Zimmerman's but come with both right and left plus they are Brembo. Full 6 pot Brembo BBK for around $650 I can't wait.

the Brembo sport rotors on that site are for c230's without the sports package...

[Z3R013]

the Brembo sport rotors on that site are for c230's without the sports package...

http://www.jdmhub.com/index.php?rout...oduct_id=34718

These are the ones I am going to get. It says right in the table 2003 c230 w/ sport package. Will these not work??

[BlkdoutS4]

http://www.jdmhub.com/index.php?rout...oduct_id=34718

These are the ones I am going to get. It says right in the table 2003 c230 w/ sport package. Will these not work??

my bad, i saw all the ones w/o sports package and missed that one.

[infinkc]

http://www.jdmhub.com/index.php?rout...oduct_id=34718

These are the ones I am going to get. It says right in the table 2003 c230 w/ sport package. Will these not work??

when i look up the part i show that it is only a 300mm rotor, i was going to order these but did some searching. doesnt look like brembo makes one for the sport model
http://www.brembo.com/NR/rdonlyres/3...resolution.pdf

[Z3R013]

when i look up the part i show that it is only a 300mm rotor, i was going to order these but did some searching. doesnt look like brembo makes one for the sport model
http://www.brembo.com/NR/rdonlyres/3...resolution.pdf

Where are you seeing that diameter in those tables? All I see under MB C230 2003 w/sport it says the minimum thickness being 25.4 and the part number under the front column. Am I missing it?

[Raacerx]

That list is really odd. It says "excluding Sport model" and then says "Including Sport Model". You'd better confirm the size before you order, and make sure you get a Left and Right hand rotor.

[Z3R013]

That list is really odd. It says "excluding Sport model" and then says "Including Sport Model". You'd better confirm the size before you order, and make sure you get a Left and Right hand rotor.

Good call, I just got done talking to Adam from thmotorsports.com who helped me double check all the sizes by cross referencing with the stoptech database. Infinkc was correct about the 2003 mb sport rotors being 300mm. I found that a 2000 S500 cross drilled front rotors has the specs 330mm diameter, 32mm normal thickness, weight of 23.12lbs, but a bolt size of 15mm. Would putting some sort of fitting in the bolt size to make it work with our 14mm bolts work? or would the offset be completely off?

[manhertm]

Yeah, that's what been stopping me from getting the Brembo decal, it was either too little or too big. I ended up ordering some Porsche decals, but I think I will contact the guy you purchased from.

Well, the Porsche decals came in today and I place them on one caliper to see how they look. I'm kinda split, I like 'em ,but I still wanna see how the Brembo decals will look. What do you guys think?


By manhertm, shot with COOLPIX S560 at 2009-12-04

[awd2ks4]

Well, the Porsche decals came in today and I place them on one caliper to see how they look. I'm kinda split, I like 'em ,but I still wanna see how the Brembo decals will look. What do you guys think?


By manhertm, shot with COOLPIX S560 at 2009-12-04

i like them are those the ones of ebay too? im going to go this route also, dont like the look of the brembo stickers

[BlkdoutS4]

i like them are those the ones of ebay too? im going to go this route also, dont like the look of the brembo stickers

but yours arent even from a porsche.. ha

i will be getting the brembo decals like that guy posted earlier in this thread.

[BlkdoutS4]

Well, the Porsche decals came in today and I place them on one caliper to see how they look. I'm kinda split, I like 'em ,but I still wanna see how the Brembo decals will look. What do you guys think?


By manhertm, shot with COOLPIX S560 at 2009-12-04

how did you paint your calipers?