75mph oversteer!

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So I was leaving Seattle last weekend, on my way back to Spokane and of course, it was raining like hell the entire time. As I was coming up to a 45mph turn i was in the left lane and was coming up on someone else really fast. D-bag wouldn't move over to the right to let me pass, so I did it myself. I passed on the right, and as I entered the turn, was able to move over the left lane (inside of left turn). Problem is, I went inside too late, after the apex, and began to oversteer!

I didn't have my ESP on, well, because I never do . The car was at about 20 degrees as compared to the lane when I let off the gas, gave a little correction, and immediately righted the car. To say the least, it was scary as fuck! Not very fun going sideways at 75. I've raced a couple times, in my old 93 Celica GT4, but never oversteered going that fast before.

Anyway, I am super fucking glad that I had my RS4 rear sway bar in, because if I hadn't, I may have understeered into that turn. Understeer=Death! It was great to have the back come around, because it's so much easier to correct .

So, that's my story and I hope you all enjoy. My fiance didn't say a word the entire time, and after we drove away, she let me hear it! Oh well, I know what I'm doing and it felt pretty good actually!

[African2.7T]

wow thats crazy

Big thanks to the rs4 sways right

[absolutegtr]

So you entered a 45mph-turn @ 75mph in the rain?

[PCYC]

So you entered a 45mph-turn @ 75mph in the rain?

Do you remember anamanicacs i think this is a bad idea

[yung turbo]

75 in 45 turn+Rain+RS4 sway+Quattro= HELLA HELLA FUN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[agart]

I thought you weren't suppose to let off the gas in that circumstance. I thought you were suppose to power through and let quattro basically pull through. Not trying to say you did it wrong I'm actually just really curious to know what is the correct method in case I ever do get put in that position myself.

[Maverick]

My fiance didn't say a word the entire time, and after we drove away, she let me hear it!

i would totally get a wife like her

[J-jizzle]

I thought you weren't suppose to let off the gas in that circumstance. I thought you were suppose to power through and let quattro basically pull through. Not trying to say you did it wrong I'm actually just really curious to know what is the correct method in case I ever do get put in that position myself.

Never hit the break is what I know.

[A4SoftWalker]

So you entered a 45mph-turn @ 75mph in the rain?

I didn't have my ESP on, well, because I never do ?

WOW

I thought you weren't suppose to let off the gas in that circumstance. I thought you were suppose to power through and let quattro basically pull through.

When I went for a test drive with an Audi salesman in the rain he said to power through a corner bcs quattro only does its work under power and not while coasting.

Of course ABS is different.

[BlaQ_B6]

I love the rain and my Quattro. I can't wait til my first winter with her :D

[Smiley]

I thought you weren't suppose to let off the gas in that circumstance. I thought you were suppose to power through and let quattro basically pull through. Not trying to say you did it wrong I'm actually just really curious to know what is the correct method in case I ever do get put in that position myself.

Exactly what I've heard and had to use one time going around an "S" at around 70 km/h...for some reason I broke traction, well maybe because my tires were near complete and the roads were a bit wet..

Still...Just felt gliding and no response from steering, turned to where i wanted to go and gave it gas and it saved my ass from smashing into the curb/fencing/telephone poles

[jackyaudi]

I didn't have my ESP on, well, because I never do .

I thought the ESP button was to actually TURN OFF your ESP, not the opposite. ESP should be ON all the time when you are driving. Or am I not correct?

[Jung]

ESP = gay

i always turn that shit off. it just doesnt allow wheelspin and makes you understeer in rainy conditions

[absolutegtr]

I thought the ESP button was to actually TURN OFF your ESP, not the opposite. ESP should be ON all the time when you are driving. Or am I not correct?

Well thats obviously the drivers choice.....

I just have this feeling that if I, god forbid, was to ever loose traction and the back end kick out, and I try to power out, ESP will kick in and cut throttle......yet i still drive with ESP on.....

[jackyaudi]

Well thats obviously the drivers choice.....

I meant to say, unless someone purposely turn off the ESP every time they drive, it should be activated all the time... and if its raining and slippery thats another reason not to turn off the ESP!

[marc1]

So I was leaving Seattle last weekend, on my way back to Spokane and of course, it was raining like hell the entire time. As I was coming up to a 45mph turn i was in the left lane and was coming up on someone else really fast. D-bag wouldn't move over to the right to let me pass, so I did it myself. I passed on the right, and as I entered the turn, was able to move over the left lane (inside of left turn). Problem is, I went inside too late, after the apex, and began to oversteer!

I didn't have my ESP on, well, because I never do . The car was at about 20 degrees as compared to the lane when I let off the gas, gave a little correction, and immediately righted the car. To say the least, it was scary as fuck! Not very fun going sideways at 75. I've raced a couple times, in my old 93 Celica GT4, but never oversteered going that fast before.

Anyway, I am super fucking glad that I had my RS4 rear sway bar in, because if I hadn't, I may have understeered into that turn. Understeer=Death! It was great to have the back come around, because it's so much easier to correct .

Sh*t man, lucky escape! Sounds fun though if it's intended. If the back end comes round too much tho it's all over!! So good work with the correction.

I'm interested to know how a front wheel drive would cope in this situation with the Rear RS4 sway (a mod that's next on my list), as FWD generally understeer more so. I'm thinking as you gas it at the right point with quattro, your rear wheels eventually regain traction and help to power you in the correct direction, not so sure this would happen with a FWD . Any idea's people?

Man I'd love a quattro!!!!

[yung turbo]

im a lil confused on the ESP. when the light is on the dash does that mean its on or off?

[marc1]

im a lil confused on the ESP. when the light is on the dash does that mean its on or off?

Means it's off mate.

[absolutegtr]

I'm interested to know how a front wheel drive would cope in this situation with the Rear RS4 sway (a mod that's next on my list), as FWD generally understeer more so. I'm thinking as you gas it at the right point with quattro, your rear wheels eventually regain traction and help to power you in the correct direction, not so sure this would happen with a FWD . Any idea's people?

Man I'd love a quattro!!!!

If you were able to get a FWD to kick the back end out, then you are obviously oversteering at that point, not understeering. So you car would just pull right out of the slide if you powered out of it. It would 'pull' the car out of the slide.

A quattro would essentially do the same thing, it would act as a FWD when when you power out of a oversteer. If quattro sent the power to the rear and you gassed it without regulating the steering or throttle.....bye bye Thats why if you had a RWD car you had better take it easy on those rainy turn

A FWD has ALOT better traction when shit gets bad

[Four Play]

I thought you weren't suppose to let off the gas in that circumstance. I thought you were suppose to power through and let quattro basically pull through. Not trying to say you did it wrong I'm actually just really curious to know what is the correct method in case I ever do get put in that position myself.

The few times I've been in a hairy situation, the car didn't do its thing till I hit the brakes. At that point, the car knows your in some shit, so just keep on the brake and point the wheel in the direction you want to go, and the car will do the rest.

And keep your ESP on kiddies, it's there for a reason...

[Pothole]

This wasnt in my audi but it was fwd, same kinda situation only it was a right turn and on a wet road after the rain,
Anyway the rear of the car started to go around so i kept on the gas and tried to turn in to it but i was in overdrive so there was little acceleration, but after doing a full 180 (now going backwards on the on-ramp at 70mph) i bumped the curb and that sent me back around in another 180, it was crazy only bad thing was i got some nasty curb rash, and didnt get it on film!

I love the Quattro no more FWD for me

Glad to hear that you made it out alright too!

[20vturbo]

hmm I was entering this highway on rain so I go wot on the lane that brings me to the highway wich is pretty long I enter the highway and go for the left lane to hit a fuckin puddle of water at about 200km/h...the rear went left where was the wall so i said no not that way and gave a slight correction and let go the gas a bit, the car drifted to the right lane and i was lucky that there was no car there..I don't have to say that if it wasn't a quattro that would have been the biggest accident ever for me...highways in quebec and canada in general are bad also..it should be designed so that the water drains away
I had my 18 wheeler do that to me on black ice and I was surprised that i was able to recover and how easy actually was, you have to be very gentle and remember that the laws of phisics pretty much do the job, somebody that panics and jumps the brakes can say good bye

[Killerteve]

WOW
When I went for a test drive with an Audi salesman in the rain he said to power through a corner bcs quattro only does its work under power and not while coasting.

He is talking about with traction control on. In those circumstances the ESP will reduce power to the slipping wheels to minimize wheelspin. If you stay on the gas it will restore power when no slippage is detected. Good method if you don't know how to control slides like most people that buy these cars.

The few times I've been in a hairy situation, the car didn't do its thing till I hit the brakes. At that point, the car knows your in some shit, so just keep on the brake and point the wheel in the direction you want to go, and the car will do the rest.

The car will not know you're in some shit until it detects slippage or hard enough braking to active the ABS. If you lose traction in any way, you will see the ESP light flash on the dash. This is a different way of dealing with the same situation and in cases with no danger if you go off the road is the safest, assuming you won't get hit by traffic behind you.

EDIT: ^^ is more for understeer than oversteer.

The final option for those who can control slides would be what the OP did, but that only works with ESP off. This involves modulating the throttle during the slide to keep the car sliding through the turn until you straighten out and can floor it again. But once in a slide with ESP off you definitely DO NOT want to be flooring it!(even if ur doing donuts)

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First, I was doing 75mph because I was it was raining, I could have easily been doing 90mph on dry pavement. I am a very conscious driver and would never endanger myself or my fiance just to have fun. If I though I was going too fast, this never would have happened.

Next, I guess I shouldn't have said 'always' with the ESP thing. When I'm on a Sunday afternoon drive, extremely relaxed and ready to fall in love with my car all over again, that ESP goes off and I open up. Although it was raining, I though I was fine. BTW: When the ESP light in 'on' in your cluster, your ESP is off. When there is NO light, ESP in on.

So here's what I've learned from the small amounts of road track experience and veteran advice. Unless you are good enough to to willingly power through oversteer, releasing the throttle is the best idea. It's not a video game out there, but then again, I'm not exactly certain on this either. The ESP, from what I know, simply pulls the power from the wheels, regardless of the gas pedal being depressed or not. Correct me if I'm wrong, but that's what ESP does.

Anyway, thanks for the responses!

[Shady Milkman]

lol @ all these pro drivers turning esp off

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CORRECTION: The ESP light will flash in the cluster when you lose traction and the ESP begins pulling power.

[Killerteve]

The ESP, from what I know, simply pulls the power from the wheels, regardless of the gas pedal being depressed or not. Correct me if I'm wrong, but that's what ESP does.

If you are not on the gas it has nothing to control. Plus it's hard to oversteer without using the throttle (we're not talking on snow though).

Moral of the Story: Play lots of video games like Forza and Gran Turismo so that when you oversteer you know what to expect. If ur using a wheel you will see how hard it really is to correct at high speed or with high hp.

[ngng]

lol @ all these pro drivers turning esp off

lol, I was thinking the same thing

[Jmaak]

JMO but there is no such thing as an apex on regular streets. Its a public road not a race track. If you want to drive fast that's great, but passing people on the right going double the speed limit in the rain, "cause you know how to drive" is retarded.

[sean1.8t]

Oh well, I know what I'm doing

obviously you don't

all i know is when my gf is in the car, my driving style changes completely. pretty much drive like my grandma

half the time while we're in the car she questions why i have such a fast car if im never going to drive it fast. i usually just give a smirk and tell her: "less talky out of your mouth, more cocky in your mouth"

[AudiA4Turbo22]

^^agreed

The smart move to make with sways seems to be that one should get both upgraded front and rear sways, to bring a balance of oversteer and understeer.

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It wasn't just a public 'street' per say. It was a 75mph interstate with a sweeping turn. So I would disagree and say there is an apex. And, my fiance loves cars almost as much as I do, and she enjoys a fun drive just as much. We always have a good time, when the time is right, and let my car scream. I know, being in the rain wasn't the best, but it didn't happen because I was going too fast, it happened because I misjudged the turn.

[A4SoftWalker]

First, I was doing 75mph because I was it was raining, I could have easily been doing 90mph on dry pavement. I am a very conscious driver and would never endanger myself or my fiance just to have fun. If I though I was going too fast, this never would have happened.

It's not a video game out there, but then again, I'm not exactly certain on this either. The ESP, from what I know, simply pulls the power from the wheels, regardless of the gas pedal being depressed or not. Correct me if I'm wrong, but that's what ESP does.

SERIOUSLY... hydroplanning regardless of tire can happen @ 55mph in 0.5 - 1 inch of water.

Not to be anyone's guardian or anything but ur protestations of experience sprinkled with shades of doubt reminds me of this deadly V10 M5 accident earlier this year READ and LEARN everyone... sorry if this is a repost but it dovetails in perfectly with this post:::

http://www.iwsti.com/forums/off-topi...ast-night.html

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We do take risks and minimizing those risks is important. Thanks for posting that article, it does mean a lot. Thanks for your concern for my safety, and be assured, a lesson was learned.

[velocipedio]

So I was leaving Seattle last weekend, on my way back to Spokane and of course, it was raining like hell the entire time. As I was coming up to a 45mph turn i was in the left lane and was coming up on someone else really fast. D-bag wouldn't move over to the right to let me pass, so I did it myself. I passed on the right, and as I entered the turn, was able to move over the left lane (inside of left turn). Problem is, I went inside too late, after the apex, and began to oversteer!

I didn't have my ESP on, well, because I never do . The car was at about 20 degrees as compared to the lane when I let off the gas, gave a little correction, and immediately righted the car. To say the least, it was scary as fuck! Not very fun going sideways at 75. I've raced a couple times, in my old 93 Celica GT4, but never oversteered going that fast before.

Anyway, I am super fucking glad that I had my RS4 rear sway bar in, because if I hadn't, I may have understeered into that turn. Understeer=Death! It was great to have the back come around, because it's so much easier to correct .

So, that's my story and I hope you all enjoy. My fiance didn't say a word the entire time, and after we drove away, she let me hear it! Oh well, I know what I'm doing and it felt pretty good actually!

Your swaybar and overly stiff rear probably caused the problem in the first place. Snap oversteer?

[dextrek]

so let me clearify one thing.

When the TCS light comes on, it means TCS is active,
When the TCS light is off, it means TCS is not active?

I, for some reason, thought when I push the TCS button to make the light come up was to disable the TCS...No?

That brings up my next question. How do I perminately turn off my TCS? Without the automatic assist?

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When the light is 'OFF', during normal driving conditions, it is 'ON' and ready to go to work.

When the light 'FLASHES' it is in the process of correcting slippage.

When you press the button and the light turns 'ON' solid, and stays 'ON' solid, then it is 'OFF' and will not correct slippage.

Hopefully that helps.

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No light - TCS is 'ON' and ready to correct slippage if it occurs.

Flashing light - TCS is in the process of correcting slippage.

Solid light - TCS is 'OFF' and will not correct slippage.

[Killerteve]

SERIOUSLY... hydroplanning regardless of tire can happen @ 55mph in 0.5 - 1 inch of water.

Not to be anyone's guardian or anything but ur protestations of experience sprinkled with shades of doubt reminds me of this deadly V10 M5 accident earlier this year READ and LEARN everyone... sorry if this is a repost but it dovetails in perfectly with this post:::

http://www.iwsti.com/forums/off-topi...ast-night.html

That is a repost but it's still important for people to be aware of...especially rich parents. I was depressed for the rest of the day after first reading that. There was a post in B6 Chatterbox that linked to a thread on M5boards.com where that poor kid was a member and they eventually discovered he was the one that crashed.

[marc1]

If you were able to get a FWD to kick the back end out, then you are obviously oversteering at that point, not understeering. So you car would just pull right out of the slide if you powered out of it. It would 'pull' the car out of the slide.

A quattro would essentially do the same thing, it would act as a FWD when when you power out of a oversteer. If quattro sent the power to the rear and you gassed it without regulating the steering or throttle.....bye bye Thats why if you had a RWD car you had better take it easy on those rainy turn

A FWD has ALOT better traction when shit gets bad

Thanks for that mate