APR 1+...is it rubbish?? Perhaps

[cyclo]

ok, I got dusted by a friggin' Rav4. First time, I pulled around him on a city street. The both of us pulled over to allow a fire truck to pass. We were both completely stopped. When he saw me pulling around he gave it the gas and I couldn't get around. The second time he pulled into the oncoming lane to come around just after I pulled off a red light. He was actually able to come from behind, pull even and then pull in front of me while I was full on the throttle. I have an APR 1+, stock exhaust and dv on a 1.8t. Why does my car suck so bad that it can't even beat off a Rav4.

I might just sell this POS.
I'm not looking for an extremely fast car but a Rav4 should be easily beatable with a stock 1.8.

Obviously, I'm wrong...but why???
Should I start my search for an S4 now???

[cyclo]

The more I think about it the more disgusted I get!!!

[nimski62]

Reminds me of the I was driving around in my 3.0, just got it cleaned, i felt pretty good. That is, until a chick in a civic SI, killed me at a light. NICE.

[JoshDub]

you got beat by a Rav4? i have never had that problem, and i have a 1.8T as wheel. I did try to race an AMG benz yesterday, that was embarrassing.

[Apraudi23]

My 1+ stays with the new GTIs. Something must be going on with your programming. A Rav 4 should be easy to beat.

[cyclo]

It gets worse guys. The one that stomped my @$$ was probably a 2.4 liter 161hp engine. I was wringing the living daylights out of my car which probably means we have no power high in the rev range...
A4 seems to have a really short powerband, and it also seems you need to judiciously decide when to run.
-Don't race uphill, we're too heavy
-Don't race over 20 mph, we have no top end
-Don't race anything that has a bigger engine, which is mostly every car made
-Don't race at high revs, no power to be found there...totally counter-intuitive
-Do race in the rain or snow in the twisties? Yeah, that's the only place that we can win...and it's suicide for most drivers so not only will another driver not take up the challenge, you could take yourself out.

[KareemA4]

My 1+ stays with the new GTIs. Something must be going on with your programming. A Rav 4 should be easy to beat.

are you AWD or FWD?

[KareemA4]

Cyclo- are you quattro or FWD?

[WhoisMario]

The V6 Rav four's have a 3.5 Liter that delivers like 257HP. I feel your pain brother. I remember being walked by a Tahoe in my B5 when it was stock. I went straight to gt28. I wont be doing that with my B6 Vant. I thought about buying a WRC before my B6, but the the look, feel, and panache of an A4 is why I'm at this party...not for the 1/4 time slips.

[Arclight]

This thread is hilarous...thank goodness our A4s at least have style when they are losing at the stoplight drags.

[eclimax13]

It gets worse guys. The one that stomped my @$$ was probably a 2.4 liter 161hp engine. I was wringing the living daylights out of my car which probably means we have no power high in the rev range...
A4 seems to have a really short powerband, and it also seems you need to judiciously decide when to run.
-Don't race uphill, we're too heavy
-Don't race over 20 mph, we have no top end
-Don't race anything that has a bigger engine, which is mostly every car made
-Don't race at high revs, no power to be found there...totally counter-intuitive
-Do race in the rain or snow in the twisties? Yeah, that's the only place that we can win...and it's suicide for most drivers so not only will another driver not take up the challenge, you could take yourself out.

you forgot one
-dont buy an a4 if you want to race
and heres my reason for owning one
-do buy an a4 for the quattro
-do buy an a4 for the mpg
-do buy an a4 if you want an enjoyable ride that doesnt sacrifice the first two reasons

[b6onboost]

1. Upgrade your DV.
2. Don't race people. 1+ is quicker than stock, but far from fast.

I have an APR 1+, stock exhaust and dv on a 1.8t. Why does my car suck so bad that it can't even beat off a Rav4.

[rxrep]

What the heck will an upgraded DV do? I ran stock, then 710n OE with Stage 3+ for 6 months before getting a deal on a forge.
DV really doesn't do squat, unless the stock one is causing a boost leak. It's funny how many people want to upgrade that as one of their first mods like it's going to add a ton of HP or something.

OP, go BT and you will be all giggly inside when you're seeing the RAV4 real tiny in your rearview mirror. Considering 1+ on the 1.8t is like a stock 2.0l A4, you're only doing just enough to be a stock Audi these days, lol.

[cyclo]

I have a 5spd quattro. Don't get me wrong, the car is great and is one of the nicest cars I've ever owned....but mother of god it's slow!!

slow

slow

slow!!!

A RAV4??? C'MON AUDI...what's that about???

[KareemA4]

is this 5 speed quattro slow?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1pxj-uAjcfs
lol

[cyclo]

1. Upgrade your DV.
2. Don't race people. 1+ is quicker than stock, but far from fast.

Yeah, what DOES a forge do for you that the 710 won't?

And

The funny thing is that it wasn't a race originally. I was just going to pass this slowpoke and jump behind the firetruck, we were both standing still. He didn't want me too pass and no matter what gear I was in or how hard I was jamming on the gas...I couldn't pass!!!

[cyclo]

is this 5 speed quattro slow?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1pxj-uAjcfs
lol

No fair!! A4TSCHUSS is legendary!!

[KareemA4]

you could make your car like that.

[eurogruppe]

is this 5 speed quattro slow?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1pxj-uAjcfs
lol

not bad for a weak sauce turbo

[vinny.dtw]

^^it is a small turbo in the grand scheme of things, but far from weak sauce imo.

What the OP has to realize is you are comparing almost a 6 year old car to probably a 2007/8 Rav 4, with a newer engine, more displacement, less drivetrain loss, and possibly lighter...Everythign is against your odds, and even more so from a roll...since most rav 4's are fwd... Just learn to know that your car is slow, unless you dump a lot of money on it.

[Arclight]

is this 5 speed quattro slow?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1pxj-uAjcfs
lol

Damn, A4TSCHUSS's car is very quick...An M3 is no pushover...

[cyclo]

^^it is a small turbo in the grand scheme of things, but far from weak sauce imo.

What the OP has to realize is you are comparing almost a 6 year old car to probably a 2007/8 Rav 4, with a newer engine, more displacement, less drivetrain loss, and possibly lighter...Everythign is against your odds, and even more so from a roll...since most rav 4's are fwd... Just learn to know that your car is slow, unless you dump a lot of money on it.

Actually I stated earlier that it was probably a 2005 with a 2.4 liter 161hp engine...but your point is still true mostly.
For sure it's lighter and with an engine that's rated with a tad less power the extra displacement and lighter weight is what cooked me.

Lesson for 1.8t A4 owners...don't pick any fights, because it seems most cars can run us down or run away from us...unless we spend thousands.

[Trev]

I was wringing the living daylights out of my car which probably means we have no power high in the rev range...

I presume you are still on you stock SMIC? You were probably completely heat soaked the whole time.

[A4 KiDD 810]

There are a few things to say to this 1: He was in a POS Rav4, you were in an Audi A4. 2: If you want power - go BT- end of story. Audi did not make the a4 with the same intentions that subaru made the wrx or sti. It is lower end luxury with good handling(quattro). Thats why we a) go BT or b) tuners don't buy this car and they get something with a little bit more tuning anticipated when they made it i.e. GTI, R32, wrx, sti, evo, etc. But because the car can look so nice on the exterior with some mods, people often add power to balance it out, and that excludes the exceptions- some people are up for the challenge of making it fast (again...BT) or unique(capt.obvious) and the rest of us fall somewhere inbetween.

[czero]

My 1+ stays with the new GTIs. Something must be going on with your programming. A Rav 4 should be easy to beat.

Your 1.8t should run mid 14's then

[EBG 18T]

Your 1.8t should run mid 14's then

I don't think we have seen anyone with a 1.8T Quattro break into the 14's with a 1+ setup from anyone. I wonder if Apraudi23 is FWD.

[Molotov]

I'm just going to go ahead and say the M3 is a pushover when you're BT.

[phantom b6]

I'm surprised no one said this yet.. don't rev all the way to 6500. That turbo loses boost over 5200.

[cyclo]

ok, so I had 2 nights to sleep on it....

and after much careful consideration I can say with a clear mind...

that:

-my A4 is frikkin' slow
-I will never run it with the intention of passing a minivan, an 18 wheeler (from a dead start), a child on a bike or a person on one of them electric handicap scooters...because I'll prolly lose.
-I should buy a Prius.

[passatkid]

ok, I got dusted by a friggin' Rav4. First time, I pulled around him on a city street. The both of us pulled over to allow a fire truck to pass. We were both completely stopped. When he saw me pulling around he gave it the gas and I couldn't get around. The second time he pulled into the oncoming lane to come around just after I pulled off a red light. He was actually able to come from behind, pull even and then pull in front of me while I was full on the throttle. I have an APR 1+, stock exhaust and dv on a 1.8t. Why does my car suck so bad that it can't even beat off a Rav4.

I might just sell this POS.
I'm not looking for an extremely fast car but a Rav4 should be easily beatable with a stock 1.8.

Obviously, I'm wrong...but why???
Should I start my search for an S4 now???

They make 260Hp.

[cyclo]

They make 260Hp.

Not the 2005 one. That was the one I was up against. It makes a paltry 161hp from a 2.4 liter engine

and if I have to say it one more time...i'm gonna go crazy on someone!!

[absolutegtr]

-I should buy a Prius.

I wouldnt be so quick to say that.

The otherday I was pulling onto an on-ramo and a Prius was in front....I gave the car all she had and I did not pull 1 inch on it. (Obviously both of us were going WOT to merge with traffic, but I didnt pull close to his car at all)

i am stock though

I did beat a 4.3l V6 blazer though

[Molotov]

I'll give ya a +1 on the prius, did you test drive your car before you bought it? It's not supposed to be a fast car

[absolutegtr]

I'll give ya a +1 on the prius, did you test drive your car before you bought it? It's not supposed to be a fast car

haha no. i came from a 2002 chevy cavalier....this car hauled ass to me, and (to me) it still does....:)

[a4darkness]

That's a really good point. I've recently made an effort to always shift at 5K and it really helps... especially when you're still stock like me.

I'm surprised no one said this yet.. don't rev all the way to 6500. That turbo loses boost over 5200.

[cyclo]

yeah, a lot of folks on here say you should launch at 3k too. It's gonna be a short run for the A4 driver if you only have 2000 revs to play with.

But honestly, with all the money spent on injectors and the APR programming kinda seems like a zero gain. The car was slow before it and still slow after it. You'd think the A4 with a 1+ could beat a 161hp RAV 4. I would venture to say the cars that we were really close to before a 1+ are still really close. Can anyone reliably confirm that this is or isn't the case? Has anyone gone head to head against the same car before and after a 1+?

I know compared to a Porsche we're standing still. I didn't get the car because it was fast in that respect, but it does seem a car (like ours) that does a 0-60 in under 7 seconds (am I right on this one?) is now really slow or at least extremely beatable. Heck, I'd never race a Porsche Cayman but I heard on Top Gear the other day the 0-60 on that car is like 5.5 seconds.

Opinions?

[eurogruppe]

Umm before i got a tune, my buddy in his mkv R32 would get like 5 car lengths on me from a roll, after the tune he couldnt pull more than a car and a half at the most from any mph roll, even from a 40-120 on the highway.

[Molotov]

maybe you blew your DV and didn't realize the awful sound its making, or any vac leaks. Don't know how you could possibly say 1+ seems like zero gain if your car was functioning properly.

[cyclo]

The car was just in for service at the stealership like a month ago. Everything checked out except for slight leak at the cam seal...but they said it was not serious at all.

Impressive to keep the R32 within site. When you ran did you have the exhaust and TP?

I'm a stocker with the exception of the chip, injectors and dv

[eclimax13]

your probably in stock mode and dont even know it