GTRS overall cost???

[AquattroZ]

Hey guys. A while back I made a very similar post about the overall cost of an APRstage3 setup after all was said and done. I've been doing some more research and am now going to go with the GTRS kit. I've searched around and have a pretty good idea as to how much it will cost me but would like to hear directly from people who have actually gone with this setup. The kit from ecode seems to have just about everything i'll need, fmic, tip, dv, and exhaust (supporting mods) aside at $2700. Without the cost of brakes and suspension upgrades, what other expenses should I be considering? Ignition, plumbing, etc...?

I know these costs aren't EXACT but it's what I've come up with so far. I know I'm missing something though. What did your cost lists look like after everything was all said and done? As far as labor goes, I'll be doing the install myself.

$1500 - fmic
$1000 - exhaust
$150 - DV
$250 - TIP
$2700 - GTRS kit (revo software)

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I know I'll need a new clutch but don't know which one I'll be going with and have yet to do the research in that department. What have you guys installed? Thanks for any input you guys can add to what I've already come up with.

[widgget]

Try about $799-$999 for a FMIC, and i picked up my Thermal R&D race exhaust for $714- shipped (that was with some shopping around) and then another $300 for the downpipe since i have a tiptronic and the exhaust did not come with one, i think one fo rthe manual does though so you wouldn't need that.

Also what does the ecode "kit" come with? you can get a brand new hardware kit for $1399 (pm me and i'll tell you where) and the Revo tune for $699, that comes to $2098-. maybe the ecode kit comes with some other parts, $600 in extra parts?

[A4ringedONE8T]

$1,500 will get you an ER Comp, the correct decision for a GTRS

For clutches, Southbend FE SS $650 and the stock DM flywheel either new or resurfaced

[AquattroZ]

Try about $799-$999 for a FMIC, and i picked up my Thermal R&D race exhaust for $714- shipped (that was with some shopping around) and then another $300 for the downpipe since i have a tiptronic and the exhaust did not come with one, i think one fo rthe manual does though so you wouldn't need that.

Also what does the ecode "kit" come with? you can get a brand new hardware kit for $1399 (pm me and i'll tell you where) and the Revo tune for $699, that comes to $2098-. maybe the ecode kit comes with some other parts, $600 in extra parts?

Ecode Kit:
Up to 400HP (octane dependent), Ball bearing GTRS bolt-on turbo kit utilizing stock exhaust manifold in stock location. All hardware required for complete bolt-on. Completely stealth and stock appearing. Retains most emissions related components.

We highly recommend that this kit be used in conjunction with the Neuspeed Xtreme 1.8T Turbo Intake Hose. Be sure to order it with the turbo velocity adapter for the GTRS turbo.

Kit includes:

1. ATP GTRS turbo hardware retail $1595
2. ATP Manifold 1.8T Longitudinal HighFlow retail $349.00
3. Revo Big Turbo software retail $699
4. EuroCode Tuning EPipe TestPipe Retail $249.00
5. Turbonetics Variable Boost Control retail $70
6. Bosch 42lb - High Impedance 440cc injectors retail $199
7. 4 Bosch 3 Electrode Spark Plugs retail $19.96
8. The legendary EuroCode Tuning customer service and vast technical knowledge of the B6 A4 BT setup retail $Priceless

In addition to the hardware kit that you go, what else did you have to purchase? And yeah, gonna go with ER comp FMIC and thinking about the Milltek exhaust (want to keep this thing as quiet as POSSIBLE)

[NyteEscape]

am i correct in assuming that there is a power difference between the 440cc and the 550cc injectors?

if so, how do i figure out compensations?

[widgget]

Ecode Kit:
Up to 400HP (octane dependent), Ball bearing GTRS bolt-on turbo kit utilizing stock exhaust manifold in stock location. All hardware required for complete bolt-on. Completely stealth and stock appearing. Retains most emissions related components.

We highly recommend that this kit be used in conjunction with the Neuspeed Xtreme 1.8T Turbo Intake Hose. Be sure to order it with the turbo velocity adapter for the GTRS turbo.

Kit includes:

1. ATP GTRS turbo hardware retail $1595
2. ATP Manifold 1.8T Longitudinal HighFlow retail $349.00
3. Revo Big Turbo software retail $699
4. EuroCode Tuning EPipe TestPipe Retail $249.00
5. Turbonetics Variable Boost Control retail $70
6. Bosch 42lb - High Impedance 440cc injectors retail $199
7. 4 Bosch 3 Electrode Spark Plugs retail $19.96
8. The legendary EuroCode Tuning customer service and vast technical knowledge of the B6 A4 BT setup retail $Priceless

In addition to the hardware kit that you go, what else did you have to purchase? And yeah, gonna go with ER comp FMIC and thinking about the Milltek exhaust (want to keep this thing as quiet as POSSIBLE)

OK, the full kit is a good deal then. i didn't realize it came with the testpipe, manifold, MBC, and EFIs.

[RLB6]

am i correct in assuming that there is a power difference between the 440cc and the 550cc injectors?

if so, how do i figure out compensations?

You take the flow rate of the injector, multiply it by the max duty cycle, generally 80 - 85%, then divide that by the brake specific fuel consumption -- which for forced induction motors should be about .60 to .65

This would give you about how much power per injector you can support.


So.........

a 440cc injector flows 46.32 lbs/hr @ 3.67 BAR of fuel pressure

a 550cc injector flows 57.90 lbs/hr @ 3.67 BAR of fuel pressure


Now, plug that into the formula:

440cc -- 46.32 x .85 / .60 = 65.62 HP per injector

550cc -- 57.90 x .85 / .60 = 82.02 HP per injector

NOW, this is just a guideline and doesn't necessarily apply too all situations.

[Molotov]

i was under the impression that the 550 injectors didn't do dick.. other than a nicer spray pattern. Thought they just started using 550's because the 440's were almost maxed. Seeing as theres only a 550 file now, that I know of, and tons of people run 440's with no problem.. I'd say 550's don't get used to their full potential with the revo tuning. Correct me if I'm wrong

[Killerteve]

My kit is awaiting to be installed so I guess it's time I finally think about how much I've spent:

Test Pipe (ebay) - $125
Geneis 415cc Injectors (AZ classfieds) - $210
Gt2871r Elim (AZ Classifieds) - $1050
Lines and 034 TIP - $480
Racetec FMIC (Autobahn Exotics) - $850
Revo Software (Eurocode) - $550 + $50 at local shop for BT upgrade
Forge 007 - Free with Revo software from Ecode
034 Manifold (AZ Classified) - $250
CAI Going to make custom from my AFE ($250)
Custom Magnaflow Exhaust (local) - $275 for mufflers + $400 to shop
Southbend OFE SS (inc new flywheel and shop install) - $2000

Approximate total = about $6500 not including install of current kit.

Granted the clutch could have been done cheaper but it died at a shitty time which led to the dead flywheel. I think this is a pretty realistic progression from stage 1 to BT. I've never added this all up before ==>

[A4 TSCHUSS]

The 550s will not get you more power running the GTRS kit over the 440s.

[Killerteve]

^^I would agree with especially running a REVO tune. I mean you don't hear people saying, "Oh you can't go past Boost 7 on your SPS 3 unless your running 550's." I agree with the above poster about the spray pattern. The 440's are a single cone while the Genesis have the more stock like 4 hole pattern. When most people go with Genesis for the spray pattern they probably don't want to "downsize" to the Genesis 415's even though they get the job done just as well. The funny thing is there's Genesis 430's but no one ever seems to use those.

[RLB6]

The funny thing is there's Genesis 430's but no one ever seems to use those.

There's no such thing, the 415cc's are what they call the 430's because of the fuel pressure rate the B6's run at. There's only a 415cc genesis injector. No 430

[Killerteve]

There's no such thing, the 415cc's are what they call the 430's because of the fuel pressure rate the B6's run at. There's only a 415cc genesis injector. No 430

Is that what these are?

http://www.usrallyteam.com/index.php...products_id=85

Because they also have the 415's on the page right before these.

[RLB6]

Is that what these are?

http://www.usrallyteam.com/index.php...products_id=85

Because they also have the 415's on the page right before these.

Read the descriptions. They call the blue ones 430cc's because it's strictly for the 1.8T's with returnless systems, which runs at 3.67 BAR of pressure and would make those injectors have the flow as if they were 430cc's. The 415's listed are designated for fuel systems that have fuel rail pressure regulators and by changing to a higher fuel pressure regulator, you'll get the flow of 430cc's as well.

[mike-2ptzero]

The 550s will not get you more power running the GTRS kit over the 440s.

No but it does allow you to go with a bigger turbo later without having to change the injectors again.

[Molotov]

true.. but honestly from my perspective.. if I'm going BAT over my GTRS then I'd probably be using something other than 550's.. and I'm alright with losing the amount of money I spent on 440's

[A4 TSCHUSS]

true.. but honestly from my perspective.. if I'm going BAT over my GTRS then I'd probably be using something other than 550's.. and I'm alright with losing the amount of money I spent on 440's

exactly

[mike-2ptzero]

true.. but honestly from my perspective.. if I'm going BAT over my GTRS then I'd probably be using something other than 550's.. and I'm alright with losing the amount of money I spent on 440's

So you like throwing $200 in the trash?


The Genesis 550's just have a much better spray pattern then the 440's. But if the person wanted 440's instead of the 550's thats what they would get from me and what they pay would reflect that price difference.

[Molotov]

well.. i'd resell them haha.. gotta take into consideration, you typically sell things for a certain % less based on their use. Selling the cheaper injectors for x % nets a smaller loss than more expensive injectors for same x %

[NyteEscape]

so if i plan on staying with a gtrs, which i do...i guess i'll stick with the 440's then...

edit: just read mike's post...back to on the fence...

[RLB6]

you're much better off going with the 550's. Why go backwards? Plus, you could run more advanced timing with the 550s, on pump that is.

[mike-2ptzero]

well.. i'd resell them haha.. gotta take into consideration, you typically sell things for a certain % less based on their use. Selling the cheaper injectors for x % nets a smaller loss than more expensive injectors for same x %

Well used 440's are going to have a much lower market value then a set of GEN 550's, so you will have to sell the 440's at a much lower %.


Whats the point of going with cheaper injectors that have a bad spray pattern then spending a little more money to get a set of injectors that have a much better spray pattern for our multi valve head? It isn't like they went to 550's for no reason.

[NyteEscape]

Well used 440's are going to have a much lower market value then a set of GEN 550's, so you will have to sell the 440's at a much lower %.


Whats the point of going with cheaper injectors that have a bad spray pattern then spending a little more money to get a set of injectors that have a much better spray pattern for our multi valve head? It isn't like they went to 550's for no reason.

hmm...interesting...think i got my mind set on 550's now...

now to finish up the supporting mods...

[AquattroZ]

So... Does it look like I have everything covered in my list? Any little odds and ends that are gonna show up during the install? I'm pretty diligent about expenses and budgeting and want to have everything purchased before the install. I guess what I'm asking is, what are the hidden expenses? I want to be able to do this in 1 weekend without running backNforth to an autozone or even worse, have to order more stuff.

[Papachristou]

there is going to be some random stuff you cant plan for...

[EUROaleksey]

i would like to participate in this swell discussion... my paypal adress for deposits is >>>

[widgget]

there is going to be some random stuff you cant plan for...

Exactly. but i can think of two things that would be very good to do. replace the coilpacks and replace all the stock lines with high temp silicone lines to save you the trouble of leaks here and there.

[F16HTON]

This is about what my customers pay:

Full GTRS setup with select plus $3500 (that is everything engine related)
Clutch $500
FMIC $1200
Exhaust $1000

Good for 320AWHP on race gas, 280AWHP on pump.

[Papachristou]

greg, what would gt28rs kit make in power? thinking about using:

new ATP mani $300
gt28rs $1100-1200
mchammered metal TIP $350 i think
550cc injectors $335 + adaptors $85
ER 3" to 2.5" Test pipe $200
revo software with SPS3 $700 + 300

coolant/oil lineS?????

[F16HTON]

Chris, the stuff you listed is not compatible unless you meant GTRS instead of GT28RS. On the full GT28RS the power is the same as GTRS, just not as refined

[Papachristou]

Hmmm, i dont understand the power? do you mean it comes on smoother? the GTRS uses smaller port doesnt it? similar to stock? whats not compatible?

[HIERLEVELZ]

This is about what my customers pay:

Full GTRS setup with select plus $3500 (that is everything engine related)
Clutch $500
FMIC $1200
Exhaust $1000

Good for 320AWHP on race gas, 280AWHP on pump.

I am curious what PSI are you running to attain 280AWHP? Im assuming this is a stock block?

[AquattroZ]

Exactly. but i can think of two things that would be very good to do. replace the coilpacks and replace all the stock lines with high temp silicone lines to save you the trouble of leaks here and there.

That's the sort of stuff I'm looking for. I always read about people replacing coilpacks and haven't done much research to be honest, but what's the reason they fail after a large turbo install? Who makes the best replacement and how much do they typically go for?

[mike-2ptzero]

That's the sort of stuff I'm looking for. I always read about people replacing coilpacks and haven't done much research to be honest, but what's the reason they fail after a large turbo install? Who makes the best replacement and how much do they typically go for?

Heat and more voltage.

[dougyfresh]

So... Does it look like I have everything covered in my list? Any little odds and ends that are gonna show up during the install? I'm pretty diligent about expenses and budgeting and want to have everything purchased before the install. I guess what I'm asking is, what are the hidden expenses? I want to be able to do this in 1 weekend without running backNforth to an autozone or even worse, have to order more stuff.

Odds and Ends for the turbo install only:
- [required] cat/testpipe to downpipe gasket and new hardware (3 - 8mm bolts with copper locking nuts)
- [optional] exhaust manifold to head nuts and a spare stud or two
- [optional] exhaust manifold to head gasket
- [optional] turbo to cat/testpipe gasket (does it come in the kit from E-Code?)
- [optional] 100% silicon vacuum lines to replace the brittle factory ones
- [optional] some hose clamps to replace the one-time-use-only factory ones
- [optional] some zip ties to keep vacuum lines away from moving/hot objects
- [recommended] spare coil packs

What I listed as optional are exactly that. It is tough to prepare for every uncertainty. Every car is different and some things will come up along the way and some things will not. My car had 120k on it before I did any engine mods. My exhaust manifold to head studs were fine. Other people's vehicles may have those studs break. It is the luck of the draw.

What I listed as required is highly recommended for those items usually get destroyed upon removal.

Hmmm, i dont understand the power? do you mean it comes on smoother? the GTRS uses smaller port doesnt it? similar to stock? whats not compatible?

The fact that you listed the ATP exhaust manifold and also a full T25 housing GT28RS. The ATP exhaust manifold uses a turbo-manifold interface identical to the OEM KK03.

[AquattroZ]

Okay guys, bringing this one back for one last breath. Car fully stock, suspension exempt, how much am I looking at to run a solid/successful GTRS setup? I've done research but just want to hear it from you guys who have done it. I'm serious about doing this and finances are about adjusted, and I want as much input (cost wise) as I can get. Again, thx fellas!

[romell]

i hate looking at total costs.. makes me not want to do things =(

thats why im sourcing out the parts slowly, so its not a BIG BANG in my pocket.

[AudiA4_20T]

OMFG... Seriously, this shit has been covered SO MANY TIMES...

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sorry for ranting, Greg can we write a sticky strictly for GTRS and how a GTRS is not a GT28RS? and what the differences are?

[AquattroZ]

And yes, a "sticky" would be perfect

[AquattroZ]

Just got the wheels rolling on this. Just picked up an ER comp fmic and a hyperboost dv. Buying the kit from eurocode this week. Any tips or any insight on the install would be awesome as I should be doing this within the next month.