SP1x Outlaw finaly Mapped

[Mawhitey]

For a while now my car has been suffering, so i went and bought a brand new ECU from ebay with the aims of getting it re mapped to suit the Turbo.

I went in with no map at all @ 151.3 BHP and came away with 243 @ 6415 and 275 torques @ 3370. the car is so much better to drive.

She spikes up to 25 PSi and settles down to around 20 when pulling, she pulls so strongly its unbelievable for a small turbo/engine with such a heavy car.I cannot believe i have driven it for so long down on power

I cannot thank the guys form Chipped UK enough for helping me get this sorted, definatley money well spent. The customer service is brilliant as they didnt hesitate in booking me in for a one to one session to get my car sorted.

Later i will try and capture the boost guage, next stop is a quaife ATB diff i think

[docurley]

Wow and on stock injectors and MAF plus stock SMIC cant wait to do mine with upgraded injectors and MAF.

They are great figures will have to get Chipped UK to do mine just got to get every thing in but been quoted £350/$700 to do clutch, turbo and Oil pump I supply the parts.

[94jedi]

wow those are good numbers...I'm honestly surprised. what kind of dyno is it? Those are just shy of basic GTRS numbers. is your car quattro? no matter what though, at 6300, the turbo just can't hang anymore.

[mike-2ptzero]

wow those are good numbers...I'm honestly surprised. what kind of dyno is it? Those are just shy of basic GTRS numbers. is your car quattro? no matter what though, at 6300, the turbo just can't hang anymore.

You do know those are #s at the crank right?

243 bhp @ 6415 / 275 torques @ 3370

About the same #'s a PC16 makes and a little lower then the J31 has made, both on stock K04-15's.

[Mawhitey]

SORRY mike, i should have been clearer about FW figures

i know thats @ the FW, but its a good start considering we don't really have the support for k04 based turbos like you do. Still stock components too at the mo, so i guess a tweak here and there could net some more gains.
I was just so chuffed to have her perfoming like i expected her to in the first place i had to tll everyone,lol
I would so like to 1/4 mile her now

[docurley]

You do know those are #s at the crank right?


About the same #'s a PC16 makes and a little lower then the J31 has made, both on stock K04-15's.

But those figures are met with larger injectors 3" MAF FMIC and with better Gas than we get so I would think there is more to come based on what you guys have to do with stock K04's to get these figures.


Imagine one of your guys running this on there K04 J31 spec 1.8t and then drop in this Turbo with a remap.

[94jedi]

You do know those are #s at the crank right?


About the same #'s a PC16 makes and a little lower then the J31 has made, both on stock K04-15's.

thanks for the clarification. I skimmed right over that part.

[djwimbo]

243 @ 6415 and 275 torques @ 3370

That's crank HP? I'll stick w/ the K03s until I can spend the $ for a "real" turbo

[mike-2ptzero]

SORRY mike, i should have been clearer about FW figures

i know thats @ the FW, but its a good start considering we don't really have the support for k04 based turbos like you do. Still stock components too at the mo, so i guess a tweak here and there could net some more gains.
I was just so chuffed to have her perfoming like i expected her to in the first place i had to tll everyone,lol
I would so like to 1/4 mile her now

If you are going to 1/4 mile here I sure hope you have a FMIC on the car, because if you dont the car is going to drop power hard after 1-2 gears.


Oh you were clear about the #'s being at the FW. It's just that most people are used to dyno #'s showing whp.

But those figures are met with larger injectors 3" MAF FMIC and with better Gas than we get so I would think there is more to come based on what you guys have to do with stock K04's to get these figures.


Imagine one of your guys running this on there top J31 spec k04 and a remap I would imagine there would be better results.

Yes they are with 310cc injectors vs the stock 270cc, but the J31 is tuned for a stock maf not a 3" so not sure where you came up with the 3" maf part of that.

Better gas? We are talking 93 octane for the J31 and it can be ran on CA 91 which is pretty much the bottom of the barrel when it comes to the pump gas we all run in our cars. Was he running 95, 97 or 98 RON? Because you really cant compare the different fuels(UK vs USA) without known both the RON and MON of all the fuels. Here we use RdON which is Road Octane Number or an avg of both RON/MON. I found a site that states that RdOn is on avg 4-5 octane lower then RON used in the UK. So 93 octane here is equal to your 97-98, the 91 used every where but CA is equal to your 95. So CA 91 would be equal to one of your fuels that is lower then 95 if you have that.


The K04-15 housings are only going to flow so much air no matter what wheel you try to shove into it.

[docurley]

If you are going to 1/4 mile here I sure hope you have a FMIC on the car, because if you dont the car is going to drop power hard after 1-2 gears.


Oh you were clear about the #'s being at the FW. It's just that most people are used to dyno #'s showing whp.



Yes they are with 310cc injectors vs the stock 270cc, but the J31 is tuned for a stock maf not a 3" so not sure where you came up with the 3" maf part of that.

Better gas? We are talking 93 octane for the J31 and it can be ran on CA 91 which is pretty much the bottom of the barrel when it comes to the pump gas we all run in our cars.


The K04-15 housings are only going to flow so much air no matter what wheel you try to shove into it.

Very true the K04 is limited granted but our 97 Ron fuel is only about as good as your bottom of the barrel fuel as you call it .

Here is what is needed for the HAmmer file which ever one it is (I always get them mixed up).

Programming for - The 2001 - 2002 Euro B5 A4® 1.8T w/ K04-15 Turbo Upgrade
GIAC performance software for the 2001 - 2002
Euro B5 A4® 1.8T w/ K04-15 Turbo Upgrade smoothly delivers a 55-80 hp and 65-110 ft-lbs gain.

Required Hardware:

• 380 cc injectors (real S3/225TT 380 or Deka 1 Siemens 380, Genesis 380)
• 225 TT 3inch OD MAF with real TT sensor not golf jetta (Part number: 06A906461EX)
• Upgraded intercooler with less than 2 psi boost drop and IATs less than 50 deg. C. sustained.
• K04-1 or E05 turbo
• F - N75 valve works best
• Intake: long tube CAIs or stock air boxes, or short if velocity stacked properly.
• Green Coolant temp sensor.

Recommended:

• 2.5-3.0 inch. turbo back exhaust with a quality CAT.
• 104 octane for best performance in Race mode. 100 Octane performs well if not blended with pump fuel.
• Turbo inlet hose to prevent collapse if a lot of power is attained.

Note: Power gains stated above are based off of the varied starting base horsepowers of the 1.8T platforms as well as hardware and octane limitations.

[mike-2ptzero]

Very true the K04 is limited granted but our 97 Ron fuel is only about as good as your bottom of the barrel fuel as you call it .

Here is what is needed for the HAmmer file which ever one it is (I always get them mixed up).

The Hammer K04 file for the 2001 makes less power then the PC16 and J31, it is also the only K04 file that uses 380cc injectors. The PC16 was tuned for RC310 injectors and the J31 was tuned for stock 270cc/5bar fpr combo.


How do you get your 97 Ron is worse then our 91? I just said a site states that our fuels are on avg 4-5 octane lower then yours. So 93 = 97-98 ron and 91 = 95-96. Our CA 91 is burns like 87 octane which would be equal to 92-93 ron.


octane level info

[maxspeed]

a few things about this that strike me as interesting, if you look at the dynograph, his HP does not drop off like a k04 setup would, like stated, he made decent pc-16 numbers, but lets keep in mind that he dosent have a fmic or exhaust.

with those two in the picture, and maybe a highflow mani and some methinjection (), he could be making some very decent numbers.

[docurley]

a few things about this that strike me as interesting, if you look at the dynograph, his HP does not drop off like a k04 setup would, like stated, he made decent pc-16 numbers, but lets keep in mind that he dosent have a fmic or exhaust.

with those two in the picture, and maybe a highflow mani and some methinjection (), he could be making some very decent numbers.

That's my point but I think he does have an exhaust with a sports CAT.

PC-16 numbers without all the hardware.

[Mawhitey]

I have a 300cell cat and a 2.5 inch 2 muffler stainless exhaust, but standard manifold and all associated hardware. Nothing else has been changed bar the turbo and chip.
I am well chuffed with it, she goes like i knew she should

[mike-2ptzero]

a few things about this that strike me as interesting, if you look at the dynograph, his HP does not drop off like a k04 setup would, like stated, he made decent pc-16 numbers, but lets keep in mind that he dosent have a fmic or exhaust.

with those two in the picture, and maybe a highflow mani and some methinjection (), he could be making some very decent numbers.

That just means the turbo is taking longer to hit max spool while still only moving the same amount of air. By doing this it is increasing the amount of power band he has and he might be able to run way more boost then he is now to make more power, when he does that the peak hp will move down in the rpms.

Adding a fmic will only give a slight gain if he adds some timing after installing it or if he has too much timing pull now. It will also help to retain that power pull after pull or while he goes thru the gears.

[ModifiedA4]

through my research for the CAPS site:

98 RON = 93(R+M)/2
95 RON = 91(R+M)/2
91 RON = 87(R+M)/2

and is something wrong with those curves, arent they supposed to cross at 5500rpm?

[kextyn]

through my research for the CAPS site:

98 RON = 93(R+M)/2
95 RON = 91(R+M)/2
91 RON = 87(R+M)/2

and is something wrong with those curves, arent they supposed to cross at 5500rpm?

They should cross at about 5250. But the torque values are on the right and don't correspond to the HP numbers on the left.

[mike-2ptzero]

Yeah I noticed that too because I have had dyno sheets that did the same thing. The tq and hp scales are just not at the same rate. If you rescale the tq side it does cross the hp line at 5250.

[Mawhitey]

i never noticed that,OOPPS

I am pleased with it for all stock parts bar Turbo and tune.Need to get used to this before looking for more

[Mawhitey]

http://spreadsheets.google.com/pub?k...Itg1MoeeTVaBQg

Try that as a log, i know i logged quite a bit of info so the resolution isnt as good as it should be, but it gives you an idea
Thats 0 to 100 ish, MAF And IAT inc, as is timing pull. Ouside temp was around 22'c

[mike-2ptzero]

http://spreadsheets.google.com/pub?k...Itg1MoeeTVaBQg

Try that as a log, i know i logged quite a bit of info so the resolution isnt as good as it should be, but it gives you an idea
Thats 0 to 100 ish, MAF And IAT inc, as is timing pull. Ouside temp was around 22'c

What maf sensor/housing are you using?

[docurley]

Stock

[mike-2ptzero]

well then it must be rescaled because its ready might low for what he made on the dyno.

[SykoraA4]

well then it must be rescaled because its ready might low for what he made on the dyno.

sorry say again?

[mike-2ptzero]

sorry say again?

Tuners can rescale the maf map so that the g/s reads different for the voltage signal it sees.


Stock is 0-187 g/s for 0-5 volts. His readings only hit 158 max.

[SykoraA4]

i see. sorta im a noob when it comes to tuning and mapping. can you further explain this?