Looks like we have a new TB option

[waxxonMTL]

Guys, anyone tried the TB with a Strut bar??

2) paired with a CTS intake, does it fit ? is the intake tube more than 75mm ?

[Bailey12]

Guys, anyone tried the TB with a Strut bar??

2) paired with a CTS intake, does it fit ? is the intake tube more than 75mm ?The throttle body works with the ecs strut bar. It's a little figgitty with the wiring because it is hard to see and to get to it. But after you connect it just zip tie it to one of the hard brake lines at the back of the engine bay and it is out of the way and the strut bar hides it.

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[whiped]

Guys, anyone tried the TB with a Strut bar??

2) paired with a CTS intake, does it fit ? is the intake tube more than 75mm ?

I have the Ultraracing strut bar and it fits no problem.

The TB sits at the same location as the stock TB so I don't imagine you will run into any clearance issues like you would with the Ultracharger.

[Gberg888]

So, with dual pulley and a Merc Racing HX, if I add a TB upgrade will I be roasting my cats?

Do you roast your cats even when your not pushing the car or is only under heavier load?

[evil35r]

Just roast them and buy test pipes from me 🤣

[GandalfTheIbis]

EGT’s should only be climbing hard when the car is being pushed.

EGT’s however are not the sole identifiable cause of cat failure. You could also be dealing with some ignition of excessive fuel in the exhaust, coolant leaking into your engine and out through your exhaust, and factory defects in addition to EGT’s.


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[Steve R]

FYI, I received the new 75mm TB from the last GB, installed it last weekend, and have been driving for the past few days. Super easy install. On my stock EPL Stage 2 (currently single pulley) 93 Oct tune I'm not seeing any issues, just improved throttle response. The best way I can describe it is the car feels like "S" responsiveness when in "D" mode. Not sure if there's more power on the top end; my butt dyno's not that well calibrated. lol

I'm looking forward to installing a CTS 187mm CP (3.24) and MercRacing HX this weekend on the EPL S2 DP + TB tune this weekend. Then, WM injection in the Spring. :)

PSA; the day after posting this I started getting several TB related codes. I double checked my electrical connections and thought the issue may have been a problem with the TB or my tune. Thanks to good and quick advice from both Issam and Chris (EPL), I recognized I made an installation error. When I first installed the TB, I didn't have a proper 5mm Allen wrench so I used an Allen Key and made the eight 5mm Allen bolts "very hand tight". Turns out "very hand tight" with an Allen key isn't really that tight and I developed an air leak between the TB and SC. During my "re-install" of the TB I used a proper wrench, got a proper torque on the bolts, and have gone a week without any more codes.

Long story short; don't use an Allen Key to install these, use a proper Allen socket for a wrench to get sufficient torque. I should have known better and hope this post saves someone else from making the mistake I made.

On an unrelated note, the MercRacing HX install and Crank Pulley installs both went well. Very DIY'able.

[Bartlett]

PSA; the day after posting this I started getting several TB related codes. I double checked my electrical connections and thought the issue may have been a problem with the TB or my tune. Thanks to good and quick advice from both Issam and Chris (EPL), I recognized I made an installation error. When I first installed the TB, I didn't have a proper 5mm Allen wrench so I used an Allen Key and made the eight 5mm Allen bolts "very hand tight". Turns out "very hand tight" with an Allen key isn't really that tight and I developed an air leak between the TB and SC. During my "re-install" of the TB I used a proper wrench, got a proper torque on the bolts, and have gone a week without any more codes.

Long story short; don't use an Allen Key to install these, use a proper Allen socket for a wrench to get sufficient torque. I should have known better and hope this post saves someone else from making the mistake I made.

On an unrelated note, the MercRacing HX install and Crank Pulley installs both went well. Very DIY'able.

What was the torque spec?

[Morritse]

What was the torque spec?

+1 :)

[bajan01]

What was the torque spec?

Stripped -1N.m[emoji15]

[Steve R]

What was the torque spec?

https://www.audizine.com/forum/showthread.php/780609-Anyone-know-torque-spec-for-throttlebody

Per this thread, 88 inch pounds ~= 7 ft pounds.

[bhvrdr]

https://www.audizine.com/forum/showthread.php/780609-Anyone-know-torque-spec-for-throttlebody

Per this thread, 88 inch pounds ~= 7 ft pounds.

christ i'm sure we can get 7lbs with a hex key. i wonder if we need a bit of loctite purple?

[Steve R]

christ i'm sure we can get 7lbs with a hex key. i wonder if we need a bit of loctite purple?

I would have thought the same. All I can say is that I'm a reasonably strong guy and I was shocked at how loose they were from the first install when I hit them with the torque wrench. My $0.02.

I like the loctite purple idea and If I'm back in there I may add that to the threads for insurance.

[bhvrdr]

I would have thought the same. All I can say is that I'm a reasonably strong guy and I was shocked at how loose they were from the first install when I hit them with the torque wrench. My $0.02.I appreciate the heads up

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[toastsauce]

88 inch pounds divided by 12 gives you about 7 ft pounds. Yes it's that easy.

That's equivalent to 7 pounds of force 1 foot away. Or more realistically if you have a 3" shaft in the allan key for instance that would be 28 pounds. Not unreasonable but I can see how it would be possible to under torque them.

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[kelseysautobody]

I put together a custom intake tube last night. I have the original APR intake which uses the OE lower airbox, carbon cover and carbon fiber tube. The issue is the tube is only 2.80-2.93" ID at the the TB end (it isn't perfectly round.) Also the accordion coupler is closer to 2.75", so it seemed like a pretty big restriction right before the bigger TB.

The new tube is a 3.5" 45* silicon coupler, to a 4" long 3.5" aluminum joiner, and 3.25" 45* silicon coupler to the TB. Roughly, I trimmed 1" off the 3.25" coupler on the TB side and 2" off each side of the 3.5" coupler, maybe a little more on the air box side. For ease of install I could have cut them a little shorter and left some of the aluminum joiner exposed but it just kind of worked out that they butted up on the joiner. It was a bit of a bitch to stretch the 3.25" coupler over the joiner but with some lube it is do-able. For $50 I'm pretty happy with the way it came out.

3.5" coupler
https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B075STJZHY/ref=oh_aui_detailpage_o01_s01?ie=UTF8&psc=1

3.25" coupler
https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B075STTW99/ref=oh_aui_detailpage_o01_s01?ie=UTF8&psc=1

3.5" joiner
https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B014GXQ5MI/ref=oh_aui_detailpage_o01_s01?ie=UTF8&psc=1

https://i.imgur.com/3fTTN8k.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/IWtAQSm.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/VBA8l0Z.jpg

[bhvrdr]

I bought pretty much the same thing on ebay.l exceptt did a 3.25 to 3.5 elbow on the tb side. Did you also drill the silicone and use these

https://www.rockauto.com/en/parts/gates,28620,push-on+hose+elbow,259

For vacuum?

Mike

[kelseysautobody]

The 3.5 to 3.25 would have made life easier but I couldn't find one amazon prime. That's exactly what I did for the vacuum line, with a little bit of gel super glue to keep it in place.

https://i.imgur.com/vIK6OvV.jpg

[bajan01]

For vacuum?


Here was my solution for vacuum.

https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20181204/97525c7eb3c7d54b7b9b03caa7954c16.jpg

https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20181204/a08a7f06a3d3fbd3f8432b82bab30f63.jpg

https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20181204/fdf58481cc9ca53ec3bc9b2adf19ddbf.jpg

[bhvrdr]

Here was my solution for vacuum.

https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20181204/97525c7eb3c7d54b7b9b03caa7954c16.jpg

https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20181204/a08a7f06a3d3fbd3f8432b82bab30f63.jpg

https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20181204/fdf58481cc9ca53ec3bc9b2adf19ddbf.jpg

I like that alot. Can you link me? Thanks!

[bajan01]

I like that alot. Can you link me? Thanks!

https://www.ebay.com/p/Garrett-FTG-Quick-Tap-Kit-for-Turbo-Compressor-Housing-Air-Boost-Source (https://www.ebay.com/p/Garrett-FTG-Quick-Tap-Kit-for-Turbo-Compressor-Housing-Air-Boost-Source/22007417489?iid=261523835254&chn=ps&ul_ref=https%253A%252F%252Frover.ebay.com%252Frove r%252F1%252F711-117182-37290-0%252F2%253Fmpre%253Dhttps%25253A%25252F%25252Fwww .ebay.com%25252Fp%25252FGarrett-FTG-Quick-Tap-Kit-for-Turbo-Compressor-Housing-Air-Boost-Source%25252F22007417489%25253Fiid%25253D261523835 254%252526chn%25253Dps%2526itemid%253D261523835254 %2526targetid%253D552508925493%2526device%253Dm%25 26adtype%253Dpla%2526googleloc%253D9012049%2526poi %253D%2526campaignid%253D1616428036%2526adgroupid% 253D62824093322%2526rlsatarget%253Dpla-552508925493%2526abcId%253D1140426%2526merchantid% 253D101641830%2526gclid%253DEAIaIQobChMIs_z3_emG3w IVygOGCh2RwAVpEAkYASABEgIaSPD_BwE%2526srcrot%253D7 11-117182-37290-0%2526rvr_id%253D1768866872053%2526rvr_ts%253D7a88 9a821670aa1425939584ffd20718)

I found this other one too...

https://www.enjukuracing.com/products/vibrant-performance-soft-mount-vacuum-line-fitting-kit (https://www.enjukuracing.com/products/vibrant-performance-soft-mount-vacuum-line-fitting-kit.html?gclid=EAIaIQobChMI4_SQxueG3wIVw56zCh2dYwW 3EAQYECABEgKSPPD_BwE)

[bhvrdr]

https://www.ebay.com/p/Garrett-FTG-Quick-Tap-Kit-for-Turbo-Compressor-Housing-Air-Boost-Source (https://www.ebay.com/p/Garrett-FTG-Quick-Tap-Kit-for-Turbo-Compressor-Housing-Air-Boost-Source/22007417489?iid=261523835254&chn=ps&ul_ref=https%253A%252F%252Frover.ebay.com%252Frove r%252F1%252F711-117182-37290-0%252F2%253Fmpre%253Dhttps%25253A%25252F%25252Fwww .ebay.com%25252Fp%25252FGarrett-FTG-Quick-Tap-Kit-for-Turbo-Compressor-Housing-Air-Boost-Source%25252F22007417489%25253Fiid%25253D261523835 254%252526chn%25253Dps%2526itemid%253D261523835254 %2526targetid%253D552508925493%2526device%253Dm%25 26adtype%253Dpla%2526googleloc%253D9012049%2526poi %253D%2526campaignid%253D1616428036%2526adgroupid% 253D62824093322%2526rlsatarget%253Dpla-552508925493%2526abcId%253D1140426%2526merchantid% 253D101641830%2526gclid%253DEAIaIQobChMIs_z3_emG3w IVygOGCh2RwAVpEAkYASABEgIaSPD_BwE%2526srcrot%253D7 11-117182-37290-0%2526rvr_id%253D1768866872053%2526rvr_ts%253D7a88 9a821670aa1425939584ffd20718)

I found this other one too...

https://www.enjukuracing.com/products/vibrant-performance-soft-mount-vacuum-line-fitting-kit (https://www.enjukuracing.com/products/vibrant-performance-soft-mount-vacuum-line-fitting-kit.html?gclid=EAIaIQobChMI4_SQxueG3wIVw56zCh2dYwW 3EAQYECABEgKSPPD_BwE)Thanks again!

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[vpls4]

I thought this was supposed to be plug n play because of the chip... that was the justification on why it was so expensive.

It seems a lot of GIAC folks are having issues...(so perhaps not plug n play then?) According to this thread EPL & 034 have updated files already for this.

Yet not a peep from GIAC on here... and they were supposedly working with Evan etc and mentioned revised files...but nothing.

I really wish they would chime in more on these boards.

My Ported SC should be shipping next week, already have the TB but now I don't want to put it on, at least until after the holidays in case it doesn't play nice. I'd have to wait until after holidays to get it worked on again.

[DBFL]

I thought this was supposed to be plug n play because of the chip... that was the justification on why it was so expensive.

It seems a lot of GIAC folks are having issues...(so perhaps not plug n play then?) According to this thread EPL & 034 have updated files already for this.

Yet not a peep from GIAC on here... and they were supposedly working with Evan etc and mentioned revised files...but nothing.

I really wish they would chime in more on these boards.

My Ported SC should be shipping next week, already have the TB but now I don't want to put it on, at least until after the holidays in case it doesn't play nice. I'd have to wait until after holidays to get it worked on again.

GIAC is working to see why people have been getting codes. It seems to be only on the higher octane maps.

I went to Sebring for a weekend last month, and didn’t want any changes made to the car before a weekend long HPDE event. So I’ll take the blame for that part of the delay.

The plan was to load the latest revision of the file onto my car and do a bunch of logging as soon as I got back from Sebring. I even bought a bunch of MS109 for just that reason. Unfortunately, I shattered my windshield and the car had been undriveable until it was fixed, which finally happened this week. It was a 3+ week fight with my insurance to get it fixed since they wanted me to use crap Safelite glass. (Fuck State Farm by the way).

With the windshield now replaced the car is being logged to try and replicate the codes others are seeing. Once we can replicate what others are seeing the tune can be updated.

Edit: Go ahead and install the ported supercharger. You won’t have any issues there. If you are worried about codes from the throttle body, you can install it when the revised file comes out. No need to install both at once, and the TB is a very quick and easy swap.

[Morritse]

GIAC is working to see why people have been getting codes. It seems to be only on the higher octane maps.

I went to Sebring for a weekend last month, and didn’t want any changes made to the car before a weekend long HPDE event. So I’ll take the blame for that part of the delay.

The plan was to load the latest revision of the file onto my car and do a bunch of logging as soon as I got back from Sebring. I even bought a bunch of MS109 for just that reason. Unfortunately, I shattered my windshield and the car had been undriveable until it was fixed, which finally happened this week. It was a 3+ week fight with my insurance to get it fixed since they wanted me to use crap Safelite glass. (Fuck State Farm by the way).

With the windshield now replaced the car is being logged to try and replicate the codes others are seeing. Once we can replicate what others are seeing the tune can be updated.

Edit: Go ahead and install the ported supercharger. You won’t have any issues there. If you are worried about codes from the throttle body, you can install it when the revised file comes out. No need to install both at once, and the TB is a very quick and easy swap.

What kind of codes are being seen?

[DBFL]

What kind of codes are being seen?

I haven’t had any on my car. Some people have had a code or two pop up, but I don’t know specifically what they are. I think they are posted somewhere in this thread.
I’ve also been using only pump gas until now, which is how we know it’s limited to higher octanes.

[maty360414]

I thought this was supposed to be plug n play because of the chip... that was the justification on why it was so expensive.

It seems a lot of GIAC folks are having issues...(so perhaps not plug n play then?) According to this thread EPL & 034 have updated files already for this.

Yet not a peep from GIAC on here... and they were supposedly working with Evan etc and mentioned revised files...but nothing.

I really wish they would chime in more on these boards.

My Ported SC should be shipping next week, already have the TB but now I don't want to put it on, at least until after the holidays in case it doesn't play nice. I'd have to wait until after holidays to get it worked on again.

EPL fixed my 2 codes that were showing up when i installed the TB

[vpls4]

I haven’t had any on my car. Some people have had a code or two pop up, but I don’t know specifically what they are. I think they are posted somewhere in this thread.
I’ve also been using only pump gas until now, which is how we know it’s limited to higher octanes.

Oh well that sucks, I've been running race file with 100 octane for a couple months.

Could be the time to jump ship, if I do it will be EPL or 034. I could get a custom tune by Dyno-Comp who are local to me that would address any issues like this, idk yet. I'd really rather have a tried and true tune from a nationwide tuner.

[DBFL]

Oh well that sucks, I've been running race file with 100 octane for a couple months.

Could be the time to jump ship, if I do it will be EPL or 034. I could've gotten a fine tune by Dyno-Comp to fix any issues but they screwed me over on something and weren't stand up about it at all...so that options out

No need to jump ship. Read my previous reply (post #524).

[vpls4]

TB Adaptation ?

is this a legit TB Adaptation method for B8.5 S4?

https://www.audizine.com/forum/showthread.php/698879-Shift-points-too-low?p=11527291&viewfull=1#post11527291

I do have a vagcom, not sure where TB Adaptation is at though

anyone have a link?

[vpls4]

No need to jump ship. Read my previous reply (post #524).

ahhh awesome! thanks

[S4tranquility]

GIAC is working to see why people have been getting codes. It seems to be only on the higher octane maps.

I went to Sebring for a weekend last month, and didn’t want any changes made to the car before a weekend long HPDE event. So I’ll take the blame for that part of the delay.

The plan was to load the latest revision of the file onto my car and do a bunch of logging as soon as I got back from Sebring. I even bought a bunch of MS109 for just that reason. Unfortunately, I shattered my windshield and the car had been undriveable until it was fixed, which finally happened this week. It was a 3+ week fight with my insurance to get it fixed since they wanted me to use crap Safelite glass. (Fuck State Farm by the way).

With the windshield now replaced the car is being logged to try and replicate the codes others are seeing. Once we can replicate what others are seeing the tune can be updated.

Edit: Go ahead and install the ported supercharger. You won’t have any issues there. If you are worried about codes from the throttle body, you can install it when the revised file comes out. No need to install both at once, and the TB is a very quick and easy swap.

So no reported issues with the pump gas file? Concerns over this and the intake have been the only things holding me back. Does it matter what revision of the dual pulley file?

[Morritse]

Flashing a tune does TB adaptation BTW.

[jimrobbington]

Flashing a tune does TB adaptation BTW.Everyone has been saying clearing codes does as well.

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[Morritse]

Everytime has been saying clearing codes does as well.

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I've heard that too. I've also heard from a tuner that is doesn't.

[DBFL]

So no reported issues with the pump gas file? Concerns over this and the intake have been the only things holding me back. Does it matter what revision of the dual pulley file?

As far as I know, that is correct. Everyone that I've seen post about a problem has been on the race map (higher octane). I don't think the file version makes a difference.

[Morritse]

As far as I know, that is correct. Everyone that I've seen post about a problem has been on the race map (higher octane). I don't think the file version makes a difference.

I also had problems on multiple E85 files, but not 91/93

[maty360414]

I also had problems on multiple E85 files, but not 91/93

have you thought of moving into the W/M file?

[Morritse]

have you thought of moving into the W/M file?

And running what fuel?

[maty360414]

E30

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[Morritse]

E30

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I mean I don't have meth

[maty360414]

You would make so much more power with meth. Your car is very well set-up. You should consider it

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[Morritse]

You would make so much more power with meth. Your car is very well set-up. You should consider it

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It's on the table. Just a matter of $$$. I also have a nitrous kit sitting around that I need to install.

[Rex Wilkinson]

As far as I know, that is correct. Everyone that I've seen post about a problem has been on the race map (higher octane). I don't think the file version makes a difference.

I'm also curious to see if that GIAC file revision takes care of that sputter.

So I'm not savvy to what changes are made to a tune when going from Stage 2 to a DP tune exactly. Does anyone have reason to believe that that the larger TB and ported SC won't work with a stage 2 tune? I know the gains wont be as big as DP file, but before I spend the money to have these installed I just wanted to make sure nobody had reason to believe they won't work at stage 2.

[DBFL]

I'm also curious to see if that GIAC file revision takes care of that sputter.

So I'm not savvy to what changes are made to a tune when going from Stage 2 to a DP tune exactly. Does anyone have reason to believe that that the larger TB and ported SC won't work with a stage 2 tune? I know the gains wont be as big as DP file, but before I spend the money to have these installed I just wanted to make sure nobody had reason to believe they won't work at stage 2.

Are you talking about the partial throttle sputter from my video? If so, that’s from two things. One is that I’m on a very, very early version of the DP tune. It was addressed in an update, I just never had my car reflashed. The second reason is the secondary LPFP. It’s providing extra fuel too early. I didn’t want to adjust the pump because I don’t want to lose top end power. Reflashing to the newest file will let me change the setting on the pump, and that sputter would be gone. I just haven’t really cared about it. 90% of the miles my car sees are on the track, so a little bit of sputter hasn’t bothered me.

As for stage 2, there’s no reason why it wouldn’t work. I think Issam even said it would. You just won’t see the same gains. Chances are you’ll just bleed off a bit of boost since stage 2 tunes call for less boost than dual pulley.

[kelseysautobody]

I also had problems on multiple E85 files, but not 91/93

Email Chris/Tony and ask to try out an E30 or E40 file. Maybe they want testers for the user adjustable tune. You’d probably get 99% of the performance of the full E85 file.

[Rex Wilkinson]

Are you talking about the partial throttle sputter from my video? If so, that’s from two things. One is that I’m on a very, very early version of the DP tune. It was addressed in an update, I just never had my car reflashed. The second reason is the secondary LPFP. It’s providing extra fuel too early. I didn’t want to adjust the pump because I don’t want to lose top end power. Reflashing to the newest file will let me change the setting on the pump, and that sputter would be gone. I just haven’t really cared about it. 90% of the miles my car sees are on the track, so a little bit of sputter hasn’t bothered me.

As for stage 2, there’s no reason why it wouldn’t work. I think Issam even said it would. You just won’t see the same gains. Chances are you’ll just bleed off a bit of boost since stage 2 tunes call for less boost than dual pulley.

Yeah but I had that same exact sputter when I ran my DP file and I don't imagine it was as earlier file as your running. I also was running just the OEM LPFP so I'm not sure what the deal is with that. Looking forward to your results.

[hjaaamjb6]

034 Motorsport will have a 1-piece silicone intake tube available in about 4 weeks. It will be a direct connection between the factory airbox and the 75mm throttle body.

https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20181128/29c93a5b05c0ea2dbf9cffe7b909abd3.jpg


Any official word on this? I sent an email to 034 but no reply yet (only been one business day lol) but I don't want to be waiting if this isn't certain.

[bajan01]

Any official word on this? I sent an email to 034 but no reply yet (only been one business day lol) but I don't want to be waiting if this isn't certain.

I was just told that in general they don’t announce info until the product is in-house, but I was assured that they are currently in production.

[waxxonMTL]

I might be the first one, but after a bit more than a week, a couple redline acceleration, a dedicated TB updated tune, and about 500 kms, I can't tell a difference ( I previsiouly had a ported TB), maybe, just a slight difference when I'm on red line and applying 50%-ish throttle in D-mode. But really I would be hard pressed to tell a difference. Bottom line, its a mod that gives about 10-15hp on an already 400hp, so its not even a 4% increase in hp.

So question is, maybe I need to look at a maxing the efficiency of my air intake ? Currently rocking a CTS intake. I know there's bigger air filter out there, there's velocity stack and sone with 4 inch tube (I think?). Though?

Though?

[bhvrdr]

I might be the first one, but after a bit more than a week, a couple redline acceleration, a dedicated TB updated tune, and about 500 kms, I can't tell a difference ( I previsiouly had a ported TB), maybe, just a slight difference when I'm on red line and applying 50%-ish throttle in D-mode. But really I would be hard pressed to tell a difference. Bottom line, its a mod that gives about 10-15hp on an already 400hp, so its not even a 4% increase in hp.

So question is, maybe I need to look at a maxing the efficiency of my air intake ? Currently rocking a CTS intake. I know there's bigger air filter out there, there's velocity stack and sone with 4 inch tube (I think?). Though?

Though?

Just grab some 3.5" aluminum tubing that is 6" long and then two 45 degree silicone elbows. One of the elbows a 3.5" to 3.5" and the other a 3.5" to 3.25". Now you'll have a tube that can mate up to the OEM ported airbox or the APR open intake.

Mike

[bajan01]

Just grab some 3.5" aluminum tubing that is 6" long and then two 45 degree silicone elbows. One of the elbows a 3.5" to 3.5" and the other a 3.5" to 3.25". Now you'll have a tube that can mate up to the OEM ported airbox or the APR open intake.

Mike

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That’s exactly what I did initially...and many others. [emoji16]

[JACKAL]

This is a stupid question I’m sure but what exactly are the tuners adjusting when someone installs this? I realize it allows more airflow but as long as the fuel system can keep up, the widebands will adjust accordingly to meet the specified lambda target. Do they increase the boost limit? I wouldn’t think any change in timing.

Just want to understand what is done to maximize a tune vs just bolting this on and letting the ECU roll.

[bhvrdr]

This is a stupid question I’m sure but what exactly are the tuners adjusting when someone installs this? I realize it allows more airflow but as long as the fuel system can keep up, the widebands will adjust accordingly to meet the specified lambda target. Do they increase the boost limit? I wouldn’t think any change in timing.

Just want to understand what is done to maximize a tune vs just bolting this on and letting the ECU roll.

Honestly i dont think anything is maximized but rather they recalibrate the throttle to tp opening so nibody get throttle position codes.

[JACKAL]

Honestly i dont think anything is maximized but rather they recalibrate the throttle to tp opening so nibody get throttle position codes.

That’s exactly what I was getting at. They are essentially eliminating codes but not squeezing any additional performance right?

[JACKAL]

Installed this last night and on my initial drive (~10 miles) I didn't get any CELs and noticed a very slight improvement in throttle response. After letting the car warm up this morning the Check Engine light was on. I scanned and found the following:

6318 - Leak in Air Intake System
P2279 00 [047] - -
Confirmed - Tested Since Memory Clear
Freeze Frame:
Fault Status: 00000001
Fault Priority: 2
Fault Frequency: 2
Mileage: 142213 km
Date: 2018.12.13
Time: 06:37:39

Engine speed: 2021.00 /min
Normed load value: 23.1 %
Vehicle speed: 84 km/h
Coolant temperature: 71 °C
Intake air temperature: 8 °C
Ambient air pressure: 970 mbar
Voltage terminal 30: 14.421 V
Unlearning counter according OBD: 40
Engine speed: actual: 1856 /min
MAP_1_ENVD: 509.43750 hPa
MAP_2_ENVD: 504.13086 hPa
TPS_ENVD: 7.4 %
Ignition angle: actual: 16.125 °
RFP_AV_ENVD: 67.7953

6307 - MAP/MAF <-> Throttle Position Correlation
P0068 00 [175] - -
MIL ON - Confirmed - Tested Since Memory Clear
Freeze Frame:
Fault Status: 00000001
Fault Priority: 2
Fault Frequency: 1
Mileage: 142213 km
Date: 2018.12.13
Time: 06:37:39

Engine speed: 2021.00 /min
Normed load value: 22.7 %
Vehicle speed: 84 km/h
Coolant temperature: 71 °C
Intake air temperature: 8 °C
Ambient air pressure: 970 mbar
Voltage terminal 30: 14.421 V
Unlearning counter according OBD: 40
Engine speed: actual: 1856 /min
MAP_1_ENVD: 504.13086 hPa
MAP_2_ENVD: 504.13086 hPa
PDT_ENVD: 477.59766 hPa
AMP_ENVD: 971.1152 hPa
RFP_AV_ENVD: 67.7953

I believe others have gotten the Throttle Position Correlation code right? That's the common one that get's tossed up with this? The air leak was a surprise though as I was careful (I thought) when installing the adapter plate, throttle body, and intake tube that everything was sealed well. Visual inspection appears to show everything in proper order with no visible gaps. Any thoughts? It looks like both codes threw at exactly the same time...

[bhvrdr]

Installed this last night and on my initial drive (~10 miles) I didn't get any CELs and noticed a very slight improvement in throttle response. After letting the car warm up this morning the Check Engine light was on. I scanned and found the following:

6318 - Leak in Air Intake System
P2279 00 [047] - -
Confirmed - Tested Since Memory Clear
Freeze Frame:
Fault Status: 00000001
Fault Priority: 2
Fault Frequency: 2
Mileage: 142213 km
Date: 2018.12.13
Time: 06:37:39

Engine speed: 2021.00 /min
Normed load value: 23.1 %
Vehicle speed: 84 km/h
Coolant temperature: 71 °C
Intake air temperature: 8 °C
Ambient air pressure: 970 mbar
Voltage terminal 30: 14.421 V
Unlearning counter according OBD: 40
Engine speed: actual: 1856 /min
MAP_1_ENVD: 509.43750 hPa
MAP_2_ENVD: 504.13086 hPa
TPS_ENVD: 7.4 %
Ignition angle: actual: 16.125 °
RFP_AV_ENVD: 67.7953

6307 - MAP/MAF <-> Throttle Position Correlation
P0068 00 [175] - -
MIL ON - Confirmed - Tested Since Memory Clear
Freeze Frame:
Fault Status: 00000001
Fault Priority: 2
Fault Frequency: 1
Mileage: 142213 km
Date: 2018.12.13
Time: 06:37:39

Engine speed: 2021.00 /min
Normed load value: 22.7 %
Vehicle speed: 84 km/h
Coolant temperature: 71 °C
Intake air temperature: 8 °C
Ambient air pressure: 970 mbar
Voltage terminal 30: 14.421 V
Unlearning counter according OBD: 40
Engine speed: actual: 1856 /min
MAP_1_ENVD: 504.13086 hPa
MAP_2_ENVD: 504.13086 hPa
PDT_ENVD: 477.59766 hPa
AMP_ENVD: 971.1152 hPa
RFP_AV_ENVD: 67.7953

I believe others have gotten the Throttle Position Correlation code right? That's the common one that get's tossed up with this? The air leak was a surprise though as I was careful (I thought) when installing the adapter plate, throttle body, and intake tube that everything was sealed well. Visual inspection appears to show everything in proper order with no visible gaps. Any thoughts? It looks like both codes threw at exactly the same time...

uninstall and re-torque everything. check vacuum line too

[kelseysautobody]

A couple of us, myself included, got the air leak code as well. You probably do not have an actual air leak but double check everything. You're going to need your tuner to write a TB file.

[BlueSteW8]

Question: is anybody writing a file to actually optimize the throttle body, or just eliminating the error code(s)?

It sounds like EPL may be writing a tune for specifically for throttle body and/or ported SC?
Interested in seeing how EPL and IE handle their own 80mm TB upgrades, if they are still working on them.

[JACKAL]

Question: is anybody writing a file to actually optimize the throttle body, or just eliminating the error code(s)?

It sounds like EPL may be writing a tune for specifically for throttle body and/or ported SC?
Interested in seeing how EPL and IE handle their own 80mm TB upgrades, if they are still working on them.

See I don’t know how much a tune can really be optimized for this. Our widebands will adjust fueling to meet the target lambda, boost request won’t change, and timing won’t get any more aggressive. I think the tunes are just eliminating the codes.


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[DBFL]

Question: is anybody writing a file to actually optimize the throttle body, or just eliminating the error code(s)?

Yes. I have a test file from GIAC that optimizes for a ported supercharger and larger throttle body. So far, it’s all good.
Still some more testing and logging before it’s ready, so no official ETA.

[JACKAL]

Yes. I have a test file from GIAC that optimizes for a ported supercharger and larger throttle body. So far, it’s all good.
Still some more testing and logging before it’s ready, so no official ETA.

Do you know what the changed specifically?

[DBFL]

Do you know what the changed specifically?

Nope. They send a file, it gets flashed, I log it and the logs get sent to GIAC. If the logs show that something needs to be changed, they’ll make changes and send a new file.
There is no ETA, and there won’t be one announced. When GIAC sees logs that they are happy with, they will release the revision.

[vpls4]

Nope. They send a file, it gets flashed, I log it and the logs get sent to GIAC. If the logs show that something needs to be changed, they’ll make changes and send a new file.
There is no ETA, and there won’t be one announced. When GIAC sees logs that they are happy with, they will release the revision.

Right On! Thanks for doing this!

[QuattroRingKing]

Do you know what the changed specifically?

Do you feel a difference with the test file versus the dual pulley file ? I️ am Ported blower Giac dual pulley with Islam’s TB. I’m hoping I’ll be able to notice a difference once it’s released.

[JACKAL]

Do you feel a difference with the test file versus the dual pulley file ? I️ am Ported blower Giac dual pulley with Islam’s TB. I’m hoping I’ll be able to notice a difference once it’s released.

Was that question for me?

[QuattroRingKing]

Was that question for me?

My apologies that was meant for DBFL

[QuattroRingKing]

Nope. They send a file, it gets flashed, I log it and the logs get sent to GIAC. If the logs show that something needs to be changed, they’ll make changes and send a new file.
There is no ETA, and there won’t be one announced. When GIAC sees logs that they are happy with, they will release the revision.

Do you feel a difference with the test file versus the dual pulley file ? I️ am Ported blower Giac dual pulley with Islam’s TB. I’m hoping I’ll be able to notice a difference once it’s released

[JACKAL]

My apologies that was meant for DBFL

No worries at all - just wasn’t sure I’d be able to answer your question!

[k186]

Installed the new TB on Saturday, performed TB adaptation in VCDS, and flashed the EPL 93 TB file.

I wasn't able to take direct before and after logs, but I'm seeing a consistent drop in peak air mass from around ~1410kg/h (stock TB) to now ~1390kg/h (75mm TB). One thing I noticed is that the throttle valve position in my logs fluctuate between 85.9 and 85.5 at WOT. I did not see this fluctuation with the stock TB. I believe I'm also seeing a corresponding drop in performance from the stock TB. I took off and reinstalled the TB and I'm seeing the same reduced air mass (consistently peaking ~1390kg/h). Any thoughts on what might be going on?

Using an ECS carbon fiber inlet tube --> 3 in to 3.25 in coupler --> 75mm TB. I did strip a screw slightly during reinstall and there's a chance some metal flakes fell into the SC inlet / manifold, but I doubt this is related to what I'm seeing. No whistling or leaks as far as I can tell. I will try to record another 3d gear pull today to confirm.

[kelseysautobody]

Installed the new TB on Saturday, performed TB adaptation in VCDS, and flashed the EPL 93 TB file.

I wasn't able to take direct before and after logs, but I'm seeing a consistent drop in peak air mass from around ~1410kg/h (stock TB) to now ~1390kg/h (75mm TB). One thing I noticed is that the throttle valve position in my logs fluctuate between 85.9 and 85.5 at WOT. I did not see this fluctuation with the stock TB. I believe I'm also seeing a corresponding drop in performance from the stock TB. I took off and reinstalled the TB and I'm seeing the same reduced air mass (consistently peaking ~1390kg/h). Any thoughts on what might be going on?

Using an ECS carbon fiber inlet tube --> 3 in to 3.25 in coupler --> 75mm TB. I did strip a screw slightly during reinstall and there's a chance some metal flakes fell into the SC inlet / manifold, but I doubt this is related to what I'm seeing. No whistling or leaks as far as I can tell. I will try to record another 3d gear pull today to confirm.

Can you post the logs on google docs? Ambient conditions have a huge effect on air mass. The variations you're seeing are very slight.

[bhvrdr]

Can you post the logs on google docs? Ambient conditions have a huge effect on air mass. The variations you're seeing are very slight.

+1

[k186]

Can you post the logs on google docs? Ambient conditions have a huge effect on air mass. The variations you're seeing are very slight.

Yes, you're right. Here are the logs from today. I'm seeing even more of a decrease in air mass from even yesterday where peak air mass was around ~1350.

75TB Run 1: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/16abUaatxvlUxuOnQY1cOxbVWyu2XrhSruEeTD1xnqNA/edit?usp=sharing
75TB Run 2: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1Wd3gkLzvQxYidr-PhgBDSxOEubVUQJMhrpospNJOd2Q/edit?usp=sharing

Stock TB: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1Q6spS6lmlrZMFz6FPVSanAyoAeX4WoNQ4UGLoi5_QmU/edit?usp=sharing

Vdyno Comparison (I know these were weeks apart, but I think it's consistent with the differences I'm feeling):
https://i.imgur.com/09RqlcR.jpg



edit: wording

[Whitee]

Yes, you're right. Here are the logs. Showing even more of a decrease in air mass from even yesterday.

75TB Run 1: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/16abUaatxvlUxuOnQY1cOxbVWyu2XrhSruEeTD1xnqNA/edit?usp=sharing
75TB Run 2: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1Wd3gkLzvQxYidr-PhgBDSxOEubVUQJMhrpospNJOd2Q/edit?usp=sharing

Stock TB: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1Q6spS6lmlrZMFz6FPVSanAyoAeX4WoNQ4UGLoi5_QmU/edit?usp=sharing

Vdyno Comparison (I know these were weeks apart, but I think it's consistent with the differences I'm feeling):
https://i.imgur.com/09RqlcR.jpg



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Seems as if you have more issues than just air mass. How are you only making 360whp with an EPL dual pulley file? Those are close to stage 1 numbers...


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[k186]

Seems as if you have more issues than just air mass. How are you only making 360whp with an EPL dual pulley file? Those are close to stage 1 numbers...


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I failed to mention I'm at 5900ft elevation

[Whitee]

I failed to mention I'm at 5900ft elevation

Ahhh...makes more sense why I’m only seeing 17 psi in your logs. Numbers seem to still be low even considering that. You would expect to see 3 or so more psi at a 0DA.


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[k186]

Ahhh...makes more sense why I’m only seeing 17 psi in your logs. Numbers seem to still be low even considering that. You would expect to see 3 or so more psi at a 0DA.


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I think 16-17psi is pretty typical for DP files up here.... [=(]

I'm just wondering why I'm losing power with the larger TB. Wondering if I somehow managed to mess up an easy install or if it might be other things like changes in ambient conditions causing this. Obviously would have a much better comparison if I logged directly before / after. But my excitement got the better of me and I threw on the new TB as soon as it arrived.

[Whitee]

Yet to really see anything mind boggling with this, sounds like it’s a several hundred dollar increase to throttle response with some people having issues. Prove me wrong....


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[Sick S4]

Yet to really see anything mind boggling with this, sounds like it’s a several hundred dollar increase to throttle response with some people having issues. Prove me wrong....


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I haven’t seen much of a gain; maybe 10-15 whp. I didn’t see any increase in boost but did see my mass air increase slightly with a before and after run with same conditions which is opposite of what other guy is seeing.

It is more of an add on and will surely show its potential when running ported SC and a tune to go with it. Waiting to see what Evil gets out of his with EPL.


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[evil35r]

Me too haha, you also have to figure everything you do via efficiency larger TB, ported sc and test pipes all helps with flow... the better the flow the less the boost but more power. So sometimes you’ll get lower boost. I lost a psi or two with the test pipes but gained it back with the ported sc. working with Tony hopefully we stick with me ratio or I go bigger. We’ll see how she goes. The logs are looking great though. Waiting for a update.

[QuattroRingKing]

Me too haha, you also have to figure everything you do via efficiency larger TB, ported sc and test pipes all helps with flow... the better the flow the less the boost but more power. So sometimes you’ll get lower boost. I lost a psi or two with the test pipes but gained it back with the ported sc. working with Tony hopefully we stick with me ratio or I go bigger. We’ll see how she goes. The logs are looking great though. Waiting for a update.

I️ agree. I️ am running test pipes, ported blower and 75mm Tb. The max boost I️ see is 21.xx psi with my p3. I️ have a 57/189 but I️ think my giac dual pulley file may be limiting boost as well.

[vpls4]

Yet to really see anything mind boggling with this, sounds like it’s a several hundred dollar increase to throttle response with some people having issues. Prove me wrong....


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Throttle response would be a step in the right direction. Being an 'offensive' driver (ya know what i mean) it's all about throttle response especially in and around the city and its freeways getting out of the flow of stupid drivers etc.

[vpls4]

Yes. I have a test file from GIAC that optimizes for a ported supercharger and larger throttle body. So far, it’s all good.
Still some more testing and logging before it’s ready, so no official ETA.

How's it going with this? Also do you know if they plan to address the 1-2 gear slam thing that's happening with wheel spin, as far as raising torque limits & clamping pressure?

If they don't have any plans to improve the tcu tune, do you think the TVS tcu tune would play nice with GIAC.

I put a call into them but it was right before the holidays so I'll try again, may pm them on fb and press my shop to get some answers. The tcu issue is a huge piece of the equation for me...I no longer trust launching for fear of catastrophic failure and a lot of folks say that's tune related...ok mostly Oleg, lol. When there's other tuners willing to work with us making tcu adjustments for this issue with the extra whp we're seeing now.

[QuattroRingKing]

So I kinda hate to send this message and steer anyone away from their chosen tuner, but I’d like to point out that IE has a 45 day money back guarantee. I was a GIAC dual pulley customer who was dissatisfied with my tune and felt GIAC kept scapegoating random issues and not giving my logs or my issues a proper examination or consistent feedback. Switching to IE my launches feel better and the redline increase to 7400 on certain gears and adjustable launch control RPM are big positives. I’ll also not that from preliminary testing, my 60-130 seems to have improved by at least about a half a second and was significantly below average on my GIAC tune. The only real symptom in my logs was a boost request that would drop from 2450 down to 2350.

Paul


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What were you getting for a 60-130 on the Giac file as well as what does it run now ?

[maty360414]

How's it going with this? Also do you know if they plan to address the 1-2 gear slam thing that's happening with wheel spin, as far as raising torque limits & clamping pressure?

If they don't have any plans to improve the tcu tune, do you think the TVS tcu tune would play nice with GIAC.

I put a call into them but it was right before the holidays so I'll try again, may pm them on fb and press my shop to get some answers. The tcu issue is a huge piece of the equation for me...I no longer trust launching for fear of catastrophic failure and a lot of folks say that's tune related...ok mostly Oleg, lol. When there's other tuners willing to work with us making tcu adjustments for this issue with the extra whp we're seeing now.Are you jumping ships to EPL?

[kjeeper10]

Throttle response would be a step in the right direction. Being an 'offensive' driver (ya know what i mean) it's all about throttle response especially in and around the city and its freeways getting out of the flow of stupid drivers etc.

Sprintbooster night and day. Had one on my jeep for years, really wakes the car up.

[QuattroRingKing]

Sprintbooster night and day. Had one on my jeep for years, really wakes the car up.

The sprint booster did make a big difference. Very sesnsitive throttle in red mode. Basically WOT or idle lol

[vpls4]

Are you jumping ships to EPL?

Definitely a possibility... I like that there is a presence here, and if/when we encounter issues they seem to get a revised file out pretty quickly.

I'll talk to Tony sometime soon. But want to also see what GIAC is actually doing, aside from the TB issue, the tcu issues.

I'm starting to think Drivibility really kinda sucks with giac. Heavy engine braking 3-2 downshift when coming to a stop that revs higher and makes a lot of unecessary noise. And the car/tune doesn't realize your driving in the city and need it to change to 5th gear instead of high rev'n in 4th. I always have to manually shift it to 5th when cruising in between traffic lights. That and the other odd high revs in 2nd that take forever to wind down and don't match that I'm not WOT and need it to shift to 3rd.

Yea so basically I think their tcu tune sucks.

Perhaps even APR whom I dislike for the cost rape but there's no doubt they have a good product. Don't know much about IE.
I do know I want to be able to switch maps on the fly between spirited street and drag strip race file.

[GandalfTheIbis]

Yea so basically I think their tcu tune sucks.

Perhaps even APR whom I dislike for the cost rape but there's no doubt they have a good product. Don't know much about IE.
I do know I want to be able to switch maps on the fly between spirited street and drag strip race file.

On the fly or at home? Because IE has a very user friendly interface, but they recommend a battery charger and require a WIFI connection like EPL.

GIAC is the most “on the fly” with the handheld unit but I prefer the experience of IE


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[DBFL]

How's it going with this? Also do you know if they plan to address the 1-2 gear slam thing that's happening with wheel spin, as far as raising torque limits & clamping pressure?

If they don't have any plans to improve the tcu tune, do you think the TVS tcu tune would play nice with GIAC.

I put a call into them but it was right before the holidays so I'll try again, may pm them on fb and press my shop to get some answers. The tcu issue is a huge piece of the equation for me...I no longer trust launching for fear of catastrophic failure and a lot of folks say that's tune related...ok mostly Oleg, lol. When there's other tuners willing to work with us making tcu adjustments for this issue with the extra whp we're seeing now.

I gave the car to Evan at Tampa AutoSports to finish the logging. I knew that I’d be busy with work and wouldn’t have time to do anything. He tells me that it’s running fine. It sure how many changes they’ve made, but it’s definitely faster. He’s posted a video or two to the Facebook page.

My car is a 6MT, so I can’t answer anything DSG related - except that they (obviously) aren’t testing any TCU tune on my car.

Edit: Since my car isn’t getting any lights/codes, I’m starting to wonder if this is an E85 issue. I won’t put the stuff in my car. It’s either Shell 93 or MS109 for me.

[vpls4]

On the fly or at home? Because IE has a very user friendly interface, but they recommend a battery charger and require a WIFI connection like EPL.

GIAC is the most “on the fly” with the handheld unit but I prefer the experience of IE


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Cool, I haven't looked into IE because not many people on here have their tune. So didn't really know about them. Were they real popular with other platforms?

How do you like their TCU tune. So for ECU you went DP pump gas? Do you still have iABED TB and ported SC?

What kind of battery charger are you using for flashes?

[GandalfTheIbis]

Cool, I haven't looked into IE because not many people on here have their tune. So didn't really know about them. Were they real popular with other platforms?

How do you like their TCU tune. So for ECU you went DP pump gas? Do you still have iABED TB and ported SC?

What kind of battery charger are you using for flashes?

They’re well established within the tuning world and very big with the Golf guys.

It’s hard for me to say during general driving if their TCU is better or worse as I didn’t really have big gripes with the GIAC one. The big plus on the TCU is selecting your own launch rpm. It’s nice to be able to launch down lower towards 3000. With GIAC I would just spin and get error codes, rinse repeat.

I’m running 100 octane as I was on GIAC. The acceleration is just smoother. I would get weird dips and surges with GIAC around 4500 ish that weren’t super noticeable but I’m happy they’re gone because now power delivery is better to redline. I don’t have my throttle body installed nor did I on GIAC. I do have a ported supercharger installed. I will be able to provide feedback on how the throttle body behaves with IE in the coming weeks and will likely flash back to GIAC just to compare.

And regarding the battery charger... I don’t have one and I know my battery is going out on the S4 (original from 2009... unheard of I know) so I hooked my other car up to the jump posts while running for the initial flash just like I did for GIAC.


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[Shane Horning]

I just tuned my c7 a6 with I E dual pulley. Car was completely stock except both pulleys and ecu + tcu tune. I haven't had time to try a quarter mile yet as I'm working on cooling upgrades now but here's a 0 to 60 run on pump fuel on 91 octane file99265

[maty360414]

I just tuned my c7 a6 with I E dual pulley. Car was completely stock except both pulleys and ecu + tcu tune. I haven't had time to try a quarter mile yet as I'm working on cooling upgrades now but here's a 0 to 60 run on pump fuel on 91 octane file99265Shit that's fast for a6

[Shane Horning]

Shit that's fast for a6Thanks. Just upgraded fuel pump with autotech and installing mercracing hx and cold air intake. Gonna try the e40 file which supposed to give 80 more hp. I'm determined to get this thing below 3 sec[emoji848]

[brs2c]

Cool, I haven't looked into IE because not many people on here have their tune. So didn't really know about them. Were they real popular with other platforms?

Here is a recent video of them on the 2.5tt platform setting records for their stage 1 or 2 (not willing to watch again to find which) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yG8Eg1cr7MU&t=1375s. I thought that was pretty impressive, and they seem VERY aggressive... Aggressive may also mean the least 'safe' tune, but I suppose time will tell.

[vpls4]

They’re well established within the tuning world and very big with the Golf guys.

It’s hard for me to say during general driving if their TCU is better or worse as I didn’t really have big gripes with the GIAC one. The big plus on the TCU is selecting your own launch rpm. It’s nice to be able to launch down lower towards 3000. With GIAC I would just spin and get error codes, rinse repeat.

I’m running 100 octane as I was on GIAC. The acceleration is just smoother. I would get weird dips and surges with GIAC around 4500 ish that weren’t super noticeable but I’m happy they’re gone because now power delivery is better to redline. I don’t have my throttle body installed nor did I on GIAC. I do have a ported supercharger installed. I will be able to provide feedback on how the throttle body behaves with IE in the coming weeks and will likely flash back to GIAC just to compare.

And regarding the battery charger... I don’t have one and I know my battery is going out on the S4 (original from 2009... unheard of I know) so I hooked my other car up to the jump posts while running for the initial flash just like I did for GIAC.


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So is your IE file for 100 octane? Are you making the 100 oct with E or is it straight 100 oct like sunoco gt260?

Yea the tcu tune has a real aggressive downshift from 3-2 where it revs up letting police know I'm there and to keep an eye on me.

I don't like that and I don't like the 1-2 gear slam I experienced at the strip. Just yesterday driving when I got on it a bit I felt a 1-2 jerk and wasn't launching or wot. So if they don't improve their tune (supposedly clamping pressure / torque limiter) or maybe even how the tune deals with transmission heat.

[GandalfTheIbis]

I’m using Sunoco 260 gt. There’s a pump of it 10 minutes from my house and this is my weekend car seeing 100 miles a week right now in the off season.

On my GIAC tune whenever I would launch and stay in it to 100 my dash would light up like a Christmas tree four out of five times. That was a huge frustration for me. I’m hoping the IE tune will stop that behavior but I haven’t put it through the ringer yet to claim one way or another.


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[vpls4]

I just tuned my c7 a6 with I E dual pulley. Car was completely stock except both pulleys and ecu + tcu tune. I haven't had time to try a quarter mile yet as I'm working on cooling upgrades now but here's a 0 to 60 run on pump fuel on 91 octane file99265

Wow that is a good time and on 91 oct. I can't run the 91 oct here. Our gas is crap, a lot of knock until mixed to E25 or 30.

[vpls4]

I gave the car to Evan at Tampa AutoSports to finish the logging. I knew that I’d be busy with work and wouldn’t have time to do anything. He tells me that it’s running fine. It sure how many changes they’ve made, but it’s definitely faster. He’s posted a video or two to the Facebook page.

My car is a 6MT, so I can’t answer anything DSG related - except that they (obviously) aren’t testing any TCU tune on my car.

Edit: Since my car isn’t getting any lights/codes, I’m starting to wonder if this is an E85 issue. I won’t put the stuff in my car. It’s either Shell 93 or MS109 for me.

I'll check fb out, i did see your car and a white one that were at the 'armory' lol.

Have you tested it on race map with the MS109? I think people were having issues with any high oct.

If you're not running any E or high oct, maybe they need more test subjects.

I have been running GT 260 for a couple months now but usually run pump mixed to E30 on pump file.
I could send logs if I decide to install it prior to a revision..but still trying to open up a comms to them.

[Shane Horning]

Wow that is a good time and on 91 oct. I can't run the 91 oct here. Our gas is crap, a lot of knock until mixed to E25 or 30.I sure can't complain about our fuel around here.

[kelseysautobody]

Yes, you're right. Here are the logs from today. I'm seeing even more of a decrease in air mass from even yesterday where peak air mass was around ~1350.

75TB Run 1: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/16abUaatxvlUxuOnQY1cOxbVWyu2XrhSruEeTD1xnqNA/edit?usp=sharing
75TB Run 2: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1Wd3gkLzvQxYidr-PhgBDSxOEubVUQJMhrpospNJOd2Q/edit?usp=sharing

Stock TB: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1Q6spS6lmlrZMFz6FPVSanAyoAeX4WoNQ4UGLoi5_QmU/edit?usp=sharing

Vdyno Comparison (I know these were weeks apart, but I think it's consistent with the differences I'm feeling):
https://i.imgur.com/09RqlcR.jpg



edit: wording

Your non TB log is the cleanest with no knock and the lowest IAT's. The two TB logs have a couple degrees of correction in certain spots. Its possible you have lower quality fuel in this tank as when you logged with no TB. Being in CO could you have logged at different elevations? Say 500ft elevation change, the IATs and timing correction could easily account for the data. If you have the time try to get logs on the same day and location and swap out the TB's.

[k186]

Your non TB log is the cleanest with no knock and the lowest IAT's. The two TB logs have a couple degrees of correction in certain spots. Its possible you have lower quality fuel in this tank as when you logged with no TB. Being in CO could you have logged at different elevations? Say 500ft elevation change, the IATs and timing correction could easily account for the data. If you have the time try to get logs on the same day and location and swap out the TB's.

Thanks for your feedback! I used the same stretch of road for both pulls, but I probably did have a little less e85 in the tank (hence the timing pull) when logging the larger TB. I think you're right (and thanks for confirming) that differences in IAT / timing correction could likely cause this difference. Only one way to find out for sure by logging with both TBs on the same day.

[DBFL]

I'll check fb out, i did see your car and a white one that were at the 'armory' lol.

Have you tested it on race map with the MS109? I think people were having issues with any high oct.

If you're not running any E or high oct, maybe they need more test subjects.

I have been running GT 260 for a couple months now but usually run pump mixed to E30 on pump file.
I could send logs if I decide to install it prior to a revision..but still trying to open up a comms to them.

Testing is done on 93. It’s on the race map with MS109 now. I was just saying that I won’t put an ethanol blend in the car.

[Wizard-of-OD]

Thanks for your feedback! I used the same stretch of road for both pulls, but I probably did have a little less e85 in the tank (hence the timing pull) when logging the larger TB. I think you're right (and thanks for confirming) that differences in IAT / timing correction could likely cause this difference. Only one way to find out for sure by logging with both TBs on the same day.
Needs a more controlled environment than "same day" IMHO. Not possible to get on a dyno?
I know some users here are skeptical regardless of the data but in the near future there will be alot more data put forward as to why the 75mm outshines the others.

[k186]

Needs a more controlled environment than "same day" IMHO. Not possible to get on a dyno?
I know some users here are skeptical regardless of the data but in the near future there will be alot more data put forward as to why the 75mm outshines the others.Thanks, Issam. I agree more ideal to jump on a dyno back to back with stock TB then 75mm TB.

I was just concerned about the "hypothetical"/"virtual" losses I was seeing. Given it was weeks apart, but just magnitude of the difference had me wondering if there was definitely something wrong, or if it's something that could be accounted for by changing ambient conditions.

Now I'm pretty set on logging again with the stock TB to compare, but before I do that, I'm worried about reusing the supplied gaskets. What's the best way I can get a new set of gaskets from you?

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[vpls4]

How long did it take you guys to get a ported / coated SC from Tampa / Evan?

I paid for mine over 6 weeks ago when he was beginning to port it. I'm starting to think he gave it to someone else.

[maty360414]

How long did it take you guys to get a ported / coated SC from Tampa / Evan?

I paid for mine over 6 weeks ago when he was beginning to port it. I'm starting to think he gave it to someone else.1 month total

[JACKAL]

How long did it take you guys to get a ported / coated SC from Tampa / Evan?

I paid for mine over 6 weeks ago when he was beginning to port it. I'm starting to think he gave it to someone else.

Took about 10 days for me period. Have you been able to get in touch with Evan?

[vpls4]

Yea he gives me a date then the date passes then i call he gives me another date or ship by date then it passes etc, no info.

Getting tired of calling him but he's got $1500 of my $$$ and I have to keep canceling appt's with my shop to get it installed so 'I' can be prompt in returning the core. It's not been a pleasant experience. Originally I had to reach out to him like three times for him to finally give me an invoice to even get things started.

[GandalfTheIbis]

vpls4, I sent you a message. That's unlike Evan. It's no excuse but I'm guessing it has something to do with the time of year. I hope it gets resolved soon.

[bhvrdr]

Yea he gives me a date then the date passes then i call he gives me another date or ship by date then it passes etc, no info.

Getting tired of calling him but he's got $1500 of my $$$ and I have to keep canceling appt's with my shop to get it installed so 'I' can be prompt in returning the core. It's not been a pleasant experience. Originally I had to reach out to him like three times for him to finally give me an invoice to even get things started.


I emailed him about an intake a couple months ago. No response which is fine so I called. He said no problem he had one ready to go just needed to be coated and in 5 days its mine. Never heard from him again so I called 3 more times each time being reassured there's nothing more needed from me and he'll contact me as soon as its done. Never have heard back from him now. Odd because I want to give this guy a ton of money in future projects but I hate chasing people to give them business.

[EvanDoel]

This is absolutely correct. Unfortunately , I am at the mercy of the company doing the coating. This was paid for 11/27/18 and subsequently completed and prepped for coating two weeks later. I dropped the case off to be coated and the company that I use completely shut down from the 21st until yesterday. I should have confirmed with them their timeline at that time however I failed to do so and now obviously created an issue as a result. During that time , I also spent an entire week in and out of the hospital with my wife on a personal matter which did not help things either. There are several members on here that can confirm that as well so it doesn't come off as just another excuse. I spoke to them this morning and will be picking up your case tomorrow morning to be built and shipped out immediately.
I will also be overnighting the blower to you once completed to hopefully save time on your end for the extended wait time. As we spoke earlier , your intake is already packaged and waiting to be shipped along with the blower.
My sincerest apologies for the delay as this was not intentional and certainly I have not given your blower to anyone else.

Please feel free to reach out to me at anytime to discuss further Bill. I am glad to discuss any concerns you have.

Thanks,

E

[vpls4]

This is absolutely correct. Unfortunately , I am at the mercy of the company doing the coating. This was paid for 11/27/18 and subsequently completed and prepped for coating two weeks later. I dropped the case off to be coated and the company that I use completely shut down from the 21st until yesterday. I should have confirmed with them their timeline at that time however I failed to do so and now obviously created an issue as a result. During that time , I also spent an entire week in and out of the hospital with my wife on a personal matter which did not help things either. There are several members on here that can confirm that as well so it doesn't come off as just another excuse. I spoke to them this morning and will be picking up your case tomorrow morning to be built and shipped out immediately.
I will also be overnighting the blower to you once completed to hopefully save time on your end for the extended wait time. As we spoke earlier , your intake is already packaged and waiting to be shipped along with the blower.
My sincerest apologies for the delay as this was not intentional and certainly I have not given your blower to anyone else.

Please feel free to reach out to me at anytime to discuss further Bill. I am glad to discuss any concerns you have.

Thanks,

E

Thanks Evan,

I understand, no worries. Looking forward to it. I'm also putting the iABED TB when GIAC revises a file for it.

Bill

[EvanDoel]

I emailed him about an intake a couple months ago. No response which is fine so I called. He said no problem he had one ready to go just needed to be coated and in 5 days its mine. Never heard from him again so I called 3 more times each time being reassured there's nothing more needed from me and he'll contact me as soon as its done. Never have heard back from him now. Odd because I want to give this guy a ton of money in future projects but I hate chasing people to give them business.


This is also correct, We had a fitment issue with a set of intake tubes that we made that were too long and would not allow for any filter to be fitted without creating and issue as well. I had customers that were waiting for these prior to our conversations that needed to be satisfied with their orders which certainly took priority at that time over anything else as these were pre-paid orders Including the gentleman above whose blower I have. I apologize for not getting back to you regarding the order and interest.
Unfortunately , We are not a large production facility and the majority of these things are crated by me so as 1 dude running a shop 5 days a week and then working until 11pm in the evenings most days, I have lost sight of some things along the way regarding product development as well as inventory.

[bhvrdr]

This is also correct, We had a fitment issue with a set of intake tubes that we made that were too long and would not allow for any filter to be fitted without creating and issue as well. I had customers that were waiting for these prior to our conversations that needed to be satisfied with their orders which certainly took priority at that time over anything else as these were pre-paid orders Including the gentleman above whose blower I have. I apologize for not getting back to you regarding the order and interest.
Unfortunately , We are not a large production facility and the majority of these things are crated by me so as 1 dude running a shop 5 days a week and then working until 11pm in the evenings most days, I have lost sight of some things along the way regarding product development as well as inventory.

Hey man thanks for reaching out and responding to this. My best regards to your family and I'm more than willing to give this another go. I'll reach out when the next phase comes up for things like ice box fab.

Mike

[BlueSteW8]

Needs a more controlled environment than "same day" IMHO. Not possible to get on a dyno?
I know some users here are skeptical regardless of the data but in the near future there will be alot more data put forward as to why the 75mm outshines the others.

I'm skeptical of some of the "data", not put forward by you, per se - or of your product by the way.
We see people claiming that "someone" has reported over 30hp gain, another claims 70 tq gain.
But I'm waiting to see what is proven, both on the dyno and the track.
It is good to see people innovate, and for me it helped to drive the cost of a competing product down about $480.00.
Just gotta' love capitalism!

[vpls4]

Testing is done on 93. It’s on the race map with MS109 now. I was just saying that I won’t put an ethanol blend in the car.

How's the high octane/race map testing going? Any issues?

Talked with Andrew from GIAC for about 45 minutes, real nice guy. He said he hasn't really seen a reason to revise the file yet for the TB. Looking forward to see how it goes with the high octane as that is what I'd be running.

He said clamp pressure variable 16-17 bar and limit of 19 bar.
(edit) I just found out I can log clamp pressure...who knew, lol.

He did say too much clamping pressure and it would be hard to get into the next gear and that could actually cause the 1-2 slam, as could ATF being too hot, or gears being glazed.

[k186]

Well, I did my best at an A/B comparison. Same day, ~1.5 hour apart. I guess I'm not seeing much (if any) difference. There was a temperature diff between runs, but I tried to keep IATs as close to each other as I could. Logged airflow dropped even more significantly, but I'm chalking that up to the weather.

Stock TB log - EPL DP 93 (Ambient Pressure 817hpa): https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1tmRCP_u9AUsUeBHA3IDKK8y9-miisUBxBTwDDAZMZXI/edit?usp=sharing

75mm TB log - EPL DP 93 TB update (Ambient Pressure 817hpa): https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1PCitqAC1LpY2ex6bD1FKV6kXFgusNVBMmHjr0ByCRyc/edit?usp=sharing

vdyno:
https://i.imgur.com/zr583az.jpg

[Sick S4]

^^what is your pulley ratio?

[chilort]

Well, I did my best at an A/B comparison. Same day, ~1.5 hour apart. I guess I'm not seeing much (if any) difference. There was a temperature diff between runs, but I tried to keep IATs as close to each other as I could. Logged airflow dropped even more significantly, but I'm chalking that up to the weather.

Stock TB log - EPL DP 93 (Ambient Pressure 817hpa): https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1tmRCP_u9AUsUeBHA3IDKK8y9-miisUBxBTwDDAZMZXI/edit?usp=sharing

75mm TB log - EPL DP 93 TB update (Ambient Pressure 817hpa): https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1PCitqAC1LpY2ex6bD1FKV6kXFgusNVBMmHjr0ByCRyc/edit?usp=sharing


Something isn't right. Single pulley and I'm pushing 400hp. Boost is going up to stage 2 levels in your plot, not DP levels.

Edit: Wait, Colorado. Wow.

[k186]

Something isn't right. Single pulley and I'm pushing 400hp. Boost is going up to stage 2 levels in your plot, not DP levels.

Edit: Wait, Colorado. Wow.

Yea - 5900 ft. Dual Pulley 187mm / 57.75 so 3.24 PR.

Edit:

DA calculator gives me ~7500ft DA based on today's conditions for these pulls.

Also, is there a difference between the tunes? It seems the TB updated tune shows lower timing by 1 degree compared to the regular 93 DP file.

[Adamantium]

Can I just ask, virtual dyno is the software right, the actual dyno isn't virtual?

ie. it was strapped to some rollers?

[k186]

Can I just ask, virtual dyno is the software right, the actual dyno isn't virtual?

ie. it was strapped to some rollers?

No, vdyno is a simulated dyno based on the logs I recorded for a 3rd gear pull I did on an empty on-ramp.

[jimrobbington]

Something isn't right. Single pulley and I'm pushing 400hp. Boost is going up to stage 2 levels in your plot, not DP levels.

Edit: Wait, Colorado. Wow.FWIW, i'm at +-6500ft, and max boost i've seen is 17 psi on a 3.1 PR.

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[k186]

FWIW, i'm at +-6500ft, and max boost i've seen is 17 psi on a 3.1 PR.

Sent from my SM-G965U using TapatalkYea, I can get up to 17-18psi on a good day.

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[Whitee]

Well, I did my best at an A/B comparison. Same day, ~1.5 hour apart. I guess I'm not seeing much (if any) difference. There was a temperature diff between runs, but I tried to keep IATs as close to each other as I could. Logged airflow dropped even more significantly, but I'm chalking that up to the weather.

Stock TB log - EPL DP 93 (Ambient Pressure 817hpa): https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1tmRCP_u9AUsUeBHA3IDKK8y9-miisUBxBTwDDAZMZXI/edit?usp=sharing

75mm TB log - EPL DP 93 TB update (Ambient Pressure 817hpa): https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1PCitqAC1LpY2ex6bD1FKV6kXFgusNVBMmHjr0ByCRyc/edit?usp=sharing

vdyno:
https://i.imgur.com/zr583az.jpg

So what does a stock car dyno at this altitude? I’m not all caught up to speed on all the differences when u have a high DA but something seems to be off for a DP EPL file. I could be wrong but you’re only seeing 19 degrees of timing at the top. My stage 2 EPL car dynos over 100whp more than your DP car, granted that is in a negative DA but logs and vdyno seem to be off.

Your fueling looks like it could use some adjusting too, seems to be a tad rich for what these cars like.


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[bhvrdr]

So what does a stock car dyno at this altitude? I’m not all caught up to speed on all the differences when u have a high DA but something seems to be off for a DP EPL file. I could be wrong but you’re only seeing 19 degrees of timing at the top. My stage 2 EPL car dynos over 100whp more than your DP car, granted that is in a negative DA but logs and vdyno seem to be off.

Your fueling looks like it could use some adjusting too, seems to be a tad rich for what these cars like.


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6000ft altitude will easily kill 50hp or so on a 450hp car

[Whitee]

6000ft altitude will easily kill 50hp or so on a 450hp car

330whp is much more than 50hp lost. All those mods to feel basically how a stock car feels.


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[bhvrdr]

330whp is much more than 50hp lost. All those mods to feel basically how a stock car feels.


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In can be more than one factor. Altitude plays a huge role but so may hardware issues, fuel quality, tune, etc.

I wouldnt worry without some draggy data and address what you can in the logs.

My virtual dyno said something like 380whp and i just did a draggy of 11.35 at 121mph on pump 93 with very minimal mods. Ive seen folks with 430whp dynos do much worse. dyno is just one data point

[Whitee]

In can be more than one factor. Altitude plays a huge role but so may hardware issues, fuel quality, tune, etc.

I wouldnt worry without some draggy data and address what you can in the logs.

My virtual dyno said something like 380whp and i just did a draggy of 11.35 at 121mph on pump 93 with very minimal mods. Ive seen folks with 430whp dynos do much worse. dyno is just one data point

Valid points but doesn’t his timing seem to be low for a DP TB File?


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[bhvrdr]

Valid points but doesn’t his timing seem to be low for a DP TB File?


Sent from my iPhone using TapatalkTiming is largely dictated by the tunes targets and then what your fuel quality and iat can support. If youre on 91 octane id guess maxing out at 16 degrees or even less. On 93 maybe 18-22 degrees depending on location/quality and go all the way up to 30 degrees depending on e85 mixtures or race gas. ..or meth

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[kelseysautobody]

Valid points but doesn’t his timing seem to be low for a DP TB File?

Timing looks completely normal. In line with what my car sees with the 93 TB file. Not everyone has their virtual dyno set up the same way which can cause huge differences like Mike was getting at. I wonder if at elevation the bigger TB can't take advantage of more air because of the poor air density?

[bhvrdr]

Timing looks completely normal. In line with what my car sees with the 93 TB file. Not everyone has their virtual dyno set up the same way which can cause huge differences like Mike was getting at. I wonder if at elevation the bigger TB can't take advantage of more air because of the poor air density?

This would not surprise me at all. Looking at logs the high ratio dual pulley guys at altitude were making the boost of a stage 2 car... given the reduced air going in it makes sense theres less improvement. If i was at 6k feet id have a 200+mm crank pulley and the smallest sc pulley i could find and corn in the tank

[k186]

So what does a stock car dyno at this altitude? IÂ’m not all caught up to speed on all the differences when u have a high DA but something seems to be off for a DP EPL file. I could be wrong but youÂ’re only seeing 19 degrees of timing at the top. My stage 2 EPL car dynos over 100whp more than your DP car, granted that is in a negative DA but logs and vdyno seem to be off.

Your fueling looks like it could use some adjusting too, seems to be a tad rich for what these cars like.


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I don't think ~0.85 lambda is rich? I think that's running leaner than APR for sure.

Here's a stock tune log to satisfy your curiosity (but with dual pulley installed): https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1Mign1l3s7d00jQat9dgq2zAw7X9FtEqZNtJ-fFLyUAY/edit?usp=sharing

According to vdyno, stock file peaked at ~260hp / 280lb-ft on this particular run. I'm not too concerned with the reported peak WHP / TQ, and mainly posted the previous set of vdynos for comparison purposes only between the TBs.

1) If I use SAE correction, I'm seeing expected (edit: ballpark) WHP / TQ figures for stage 2 DP (430+ whp)

2) With logs on a good day with denser air, I will see 380-390 WHP uncorrected

3) My logs are recorded on an uphill on-ramp. This will also impact the vdyno reported WHP / TQ figures.


Timing looks completely normal. In line with what my car sees with the 93 TB file. Not everyone has their virtual dyno set up the same way which can cause huge differences like Mike was getting at. I wonder if at elevation the bigger TB can't take advantage of more air because of the poor air density?

This x100. I think you may be right. I'm just not seeing any increase in air flow, unless maybe I have some leaks somewhere from reusing the gasket each time I swapped TBs.

[bhvrdr]

I don't think ~0.85 lambda is rich? I think that's running leaner than APR for sure.

Here's a stock tune log to satisfy your curiosity (but with dual pulley installed): https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1Mign1l3s7d00jQat9dgq2zAw7X9FtEqZNtJ-fFLyUAY/edit?usp=sharing

According to vdyno, stock file peaked at ~260hp / 280lb-ft on this particular run. I'm not too concerned with the reported peak WHP / TQ, and mainly posted the previous set of vdynos for comparison purposes only between the TBs.

1) If I use SAE correction, I'm seeing expected (edit: ballpark) WHP / TQ figures for stage 2 DP (430+ whp)

2) With logs on a good day with denser air, I will see 380-390 WHP uncorrected

3) My logs are recorded on an uphill on-ramp. This will also impact the vdyno reported WHP / TQ figures.



This x100. I think you may be right. I'm just not seeing any increase in air flow, unless maybe I have some leaks somewhere from reusing the gasket each time I swapped TBs.

Your setup looks normal to me for your conditions and agree your afr is not rich. Its fine

[Saleen S7 TT]

So IE just released their TB.
Any update on the iABED TB issues with GIAC tune? I have GIAC Stage 2 dual pulley currently and a iABED TB waiting to be installed.

[GandalfTheIbis]

Zero update.


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[kielp]

I removed the iABED TB from my GIAC DP tuned car. Never ran right for me. Issam is going to inspect the TB and harness in case it is not an issue with the tune or my particular car.

[vpls4]

I removed the iABED TB from my GIAC DP tuned car. Never ran right for me. Issam is going to inspect the TB and harness in case it is not an issue with the tune or my particular car.

Oh great! I'm getting mine installed now..hopefully it was just a defective part or something.

I talked to Evan and he said they tested with MS109 and had no issues. It's hit n miss taking him at his word. I personally can't trust anything he says. I'll post a reply of his post to me above & a review of the whole experience I recently had with the ported sc...but after I cool down. I'm still pretty pissed about the whole thing. I just want to state facts and not attitude...still too soon [:)]

I also talked to Andrew at GIAC and he said after looking at logs he didn't see a reason to update the DP file for it.

Did you reach out to GIAC and tell them about the problems or codes or send logs?

[maty360414]

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[maty360414]

Oh great! I'm getting mine installed now..hopefully it was just a defective part or something.

I talked to Evan and he said they tested with MS109 and had no issues. It's hit n miss taking him at his word. I personally can't trust anything he says. I'll post a reply of his post to me above & a review of the whole experience I recently had with the ported sc...but after I cool down. I'm still pretty pissed about the whole thing. I just want to state facts and not attitude...still too soon [:)]

I also talked to Andrew at GIAC and he said after looking at logs he didn't see a reason to update the DP file for it.

Did you reach out to GIAC and tell them about the problems or codes or send logs?What if it does it does not work for you this time

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[k186]

I removed the iABED TB from my GIAC DP tuned car. Never ran right for me. Issam is going to inspect the TB and harness in case it is not an issue with the tune or my particular car.Can you tell us (me) some of the problems you ran into? I'm still wondering if something isn't quite right with mine too.

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[vpls4]

What if it does it does not work for you this time

What? Was that meant for someone else?

Mine hasn't been installed for the 1st time yet. Should be done friday and it's on race map w/sunoco 260 gt 100 oct in the tank (as some were thinking it was probs w/ higher oct)

I'll share about it. If there's problems I'll log and also send any codes to GIAC.

[kielp]

Can you tell us (me) some of the problems you ran into? I'm still wondering if something isn't quite right with mine too.

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I posted above in this thread: persistent P0068 Throttle Position Correlation and P2279 Leak in Air Intake System a triggered at part throttle and low load. Trying to drive longer to let it adapt didn't work, as the problem matured into a P310B Low Fuel Pressure Regulation - Fuel Pressure out of Spec code. No other codes before or after.

[Whitee]

So IE got 12whp on a dual pulley e40 file. Is it really worth the 800 dollars for 12whp? Seems like a last ditch effort to make money (iAbed & IE) as their isn’t anything left to do to these cars other than them selling ported blowers/heads or cams. The TB is obviously much more profitable to sell.


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[bhvrdr]

So IE got 12whp on a dual pulley e40 file. Is it really worth the 800 dollars for 12whp? Seems like a last ditch effort to make money (iAbed & IE) as their isn’t anything left to do to these cars other than them selling ported blowers/heads or cams. The TB is obviously much more profitable to sell.


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Thats your call but people have spent three times that on exhausts or twice that on ultrachargers. Even though IE says the tune is free you have to realize its built into the price. Here they sell the same tb for $199 to the vw crowd...

https://www.performancebyie.com/oe-80mm-hemi-throttle-body-plug-and-play-for-1-8t-s4

The extra $600 is not just for a silicone intake tube and extension harness.

That said its still less than the apr ultracharger and only about $300 more than my iabed setup. At this point we are trying to maximize anywhere we can being stuck with the stock blower. Porting is around a grand and thats probably realistically good for maybe 20hp or so.

Mike

[Loe]

12awhp may be peak, but there is more power under the curve where it counts the most. Additionally, benefits aren't fully realized until you start porting the s/c and increase the crank size, this is why the TB matters to us who are still at dual-pulley levels.

[Solarsuplex]

I wonder if they would sell the cast / CNC milled transition section separately?

[EvanDoel]

Oh great! I'm getting mine installed now..hopefully it was just a defective part or something.

I talked to Evan and he said they tested with MS109 and had no issues. It's hit n miss taking him at his word. I personally can't trust anything he says. I'll post a reply of his post to me above & a review of the whole experience I recently had with the ported sc...but after I cool down. I'm still pretty pissed about the whole thing. I just want to state facts and not attitude...still too soon [:)]

I also talked to Andrew at GIAC and he said after looking at logs he didn't see a reason to update the DP file for it.

Did you reach out to GIAC and tell them about the problems or codes or send logs?


Bill,

I emailed you this morning to offer concession regarding your unsatisfactory experience as well as speaking to the shop performing your install to confirm there were no issues with the blower etc.
Please respond to the email with the information I requested so that I can handle it accordingly. My apologies for any frustration caused by me during your wait time etc. I would like to have the opportunity to make it right.
I also have nothing to hide and am by no means perfect so I understand if you need to post about your experience and please feel free to do so.

Hope to hear from you soon !

E,

[vpls4]

Bill,

I emailed you this morning to offer concession regarding your unsatisfactory experience as well as speaking to the shop performing your install to confirm there were no issues with the blower etc.
Please respond to the email with the information I requested so that I can handle it accordingly. My apologies for any frustration caused by me during your wait time etc. I would like to have the opportunity to make it right.
I also have nothing to hide and am by no means perfect so I understand if you need to post about your experience and please feel free to do so.

Hope to hear from you soon !

E,

I just don't understand it Evan...I'd just rather be the told the truth, whatever truth that is.

My frustration lies in this...


I spoke to them this morning and will be picking up your case tomorrow morning to be built and shipped out immediately

That didn't happen, that was the 3rd...fedex label created Tue the 8th and picked up by them Wed the 9th


I will also be overnighting the blower to you once completed to hopefully save time on your end for the extended wait time

This definitely didn't happen! It took a full week. Originally when I ordered this I was told when it's done it's shipped using Fedex 3 day. That's fine and I even $70 for the delivery. It took a week to get here after receiving tracking #

You called me a week from last Tue on the 8th and gave me a tracking # and at first fedex said delivery Sat the 12th. I'm thinking..well it's not overnight like you said but it'll work as my appointment isn't until Mon & Tue to get all this installed. TB, SC, Intake, Fuel-it Sensor, Possibly IC Cores.

Then Wed I look it up and it says Scheduled delivery for Tue the 15th. (a full week after receiving tracking #)


Please feel free to reach out to me at anytime to discuss further Bill. I am glad to discuss any concerns you have.

So I do reach out and was totally blown off. Never did get a response.

I sent an email on Wed saying hey Fedex is saying Tue the 15th, that's neither the overnight nor the 3-day shipping originally discussed and paid for. So I ask in email if you could look into it because I have an appointment this Mon & Tue and if it's not going to be here I'd like to give my shop some notice so they can book someone else for Monday.

So I get no reply from you, who's glad to discuss any concerns.. But I look at the Fedex site on Thur and it says scheduled for Sat the 12th again, so I think ok he must've straightened something out with fedex... Negative. I blew off stuff Sat so I'd be here when the SC came..(didn't want to chance having it left at door) I had looked again since it said by 8pm Sat and it was past that time and it never came..again it's back to Scheduled for Tue the 15th

So now I have to cancel with my shop the same day I'm supposed to have all day booked with them. (can't reach them on the weekend)


As we spoke earlier , your intake is already packaged and waiting to be shipped along with the blower.

This really took the cake here. I wasn't even given another tracking # for this by you so I think, ok this Intake is being shipped at same time like you said it would be. Under same tracking label I guess.

With all this hassle I had signed up for fedex delivery manager so I can maybe see what time this stuff was coming 'Sat' What do I find on there? Another tracking # for the Intake that was supposedly 'all boxed up and ready to go' to be shipped along with the SC and it wasn't even sent until 4 days after the SC. So the Intake wouldn't have been there for my appt either.

So Mon night and Tue morning I'm on the phone multiple times with fedex to get them to hold at facility so I can pick it up and still try to use one of my days I had scheduled with my shop (Tue)

The items were sent 4 days apart and using different fedex services so I had to pick them up at two different sites

I got confirmation fedex would hold one of my pkgs. I was told they would hold both but the next morning it said one was out for delivery. So I picked up the one and went back home to await the other. I looked up status again later and it says its ready for pickup wth.

Nothing about this experience has been anywhere near pleasant.

The porting/coating looks great...just all the rest that was a little frustrating. I mean it even started out that way with having to beg you for an invoice to get things started.

When I talk to you, you seem like a great guy and I have no doubt as many local guys testify to that fact. I just don't think you realize how frustrating it is to be told things and have them not be true. That's my only issue with the whole thing really.

[maty360414]

I just don't understand it Evan...I'd just rather be the told the truth, whatever truth that is.

My frustration lies in this...



That didn't happen, that was the 3rd...fedex label created Tue the 8th and picked up by them Wed the 9th



This definitely didn't happen! It took a full week. Originally when I ordered this I was told when it's done it's shipped using Fedex 3 day. That's fine and I even $70 for the delivery. It took a week to get here after receiving tracking #

You called me a week from last Tue on the 8th and gave me a tracking # and at first fedex said delivery Sat the 12th. I'm thinking..well it's not overnight like you said but it'll work as my appointment isn't until Mon & Tue to get all this installed. TB, SC, Intake, Fuel-it Sensor, Possibly IC Cores.

Then Wed I look it up and it says Scheduled delivery for Tue the 15th. (a full week after receiving tracking #)



So I do reach out and was totally blown off. Never did get a response.

I sent an email on Wed saying hey Fedex is saying Tue the 15th, that's neither the overnight nor the 3-day shipping originally discussed and paid for. So I ask in email if you could look into it because I have an appointment this Mon & Tue and if it's not going to be here I'd like to give my shop some notice so they can book someone else for Monday.

So I get no reply from you, who's glad to discuss any concerns.. But I look at the Fedex site on Thur and it says scheduled for Sat the 12th again, so I think ok he must've straightened something out with fedex... Negative. I blew off stuff Sat so I'd be here when the SC came..(didn't want to chance having it left at door) I had looked again since it said by 8pm Sat and it was past that time and it never came..again it's back to Scheduled for Tue the 15th

So now I have to cancel with my shop the same day I'm supposed to have all day booked with them. (can't reach them on the weekend)



This really took the cake here. I wasn't even given another tracking # for this by you so I think, ok this Intake is being shipped at same time like you said it would be. Under same tracking label I guess.

With all this hassle I had signed up for fedex delivery manager so I can maybe see what time this stuff was coming 'Sat' What do I find on there? Another tracking # for the Intake that was supposedly 'all boxed up and ready to go' to be shipped along with the SC and it wasn't even sent until 4 days after the SC. So the Intake wouldn't have been there for my appt either.

So Mon night and Tue morning I'm on the phone multiple times with fedex to get them to hold at facility so I can pick it up and still try to use one of my days I had scheduled with my shop (Tue)

The items were sent 4 days apart and using different fedex services so I had to pick them up at two different sites

I got confirmation fedex would hold one of my pkgs. I was told they would hold both but the next morning it said one was out for delivery. So I picked up the one and went back home to await the other. I looked up status again later and it says its ready for pickup wth.

Nothing about this experience has been anywhere near pleasant.

The porting/coating looks great...just all the rest that was a little frustrating. I mean it even started out that way with having to beg you for an invoice to get things started.

When I talk to you, you seem like a great guy and I have no doubt as many local guys testify to that fact. I just don't think you realize how frustrating it is to be told things and have them not be true. That's my only issue with the whole thing really.I'm very sorry you have to go through this it does sounds frustrating

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[waxxonMTL]

TBH, thats the issue with most performance shop, they are born from hobbyist who love ( to some extend obviously!) modding cars, but they are 1) victim of their success 2) are by no means ppl with accounting/administrative degree/mindset. They are pro at getting their hand dirty, not being organised and professional. The tailgate was when you had to chase them for business. It is okay to send 1-2 reminder, but more than that.. lol. its a sign!

With that said, I had ''similar'' experience with another porter. So, I'm not suprised, it took probably longer than you to receive ( all in all, was about 5-6 weeks if I'm not mistaken!), but I wasn't lied neither! Which is really the worst part of the story.

However.... the worst is behind you. if the product is good and perform.. snap it on your car, and turn the page! :) go rev da bitch! :P

[EvanDoel]

I just don't understand it Evan...I'd just rather be the told the truth, whatever truth that is.

My frustration lies in this...



That didn't happen, that was the 3rd...fedex label created Tue the 8th and picked up by them Wed the 9th



This definitely didn't happen! It took a full week. Originally when I ordered this I was told when it's done it's shipped using Fedex 3 day. That's fine and I even $70 for the delivery. It took a week to get here after receiving tracking #

You called me a week from last Tue on the 8th and gave me a tracking # and at first fedex said delivery Sat the 12th. I'm thinking..well it's not overnight like you said but it'll work as my appointment isn't until Mon & Tue to get all this installed. TB, SC, Intake, Fuel-it Sensor, Possibly IC Cores.

Then Wed I look it up and it says Scheduled delivery for Tue the 15th. (a full week after receiving tracking #)



So I do reach out and was totally blown off. Never did get a response.

I sent an email on Wed saying hey Fedex is saying Tue the 15th, that's neither the overnight nor the 3-day shipping originally discussed and paid for. So I ask in email if you could look into it because I have an appointment this Mon & Tue and if it's not going to be here I'd like to give my shop some notice so they can book someone else for Monday.

So I get no reply from you, who's glad to discuss any concerns.. But I look at the Fedex site on Thur and it says scheduled for Sat the 12th again, so I think ok he must've straightened something out with fedex... Negative. I blew off stuff Sat so I'd be here when the SC came..(didn't want to chance having it left at door) I had looked again since it said by 8pm Sat and it was past that time and it never came..again it's back to Scheduled for Tue the 15th

So now I have to cancel with my shop the same day I'm supposed to have all day booked with them. (can't reach them on the weekend)



This really took the cake here. I wasn't even given another tracking # for this by you so I think, ok this Intake is being shipped at same time like you said it would be. Under same tracking label I guess.

With all this hassle I had signed up for fedex delivery manager so I can maybe see what time this stuff was coming 'Sat' What do I find on there? Another tracking # for the Intake that was supposedly 'all boxed up and ready to go' to be shipped along with the SC and it wasn't even sent until 4 days after the SC. So the Intake wouldn't have been there for my appt either.

So Mon night and Tue morning I'm on the phone multiple times with fedex to get them to hold at facility so I can pick it up and still try to use one of my days I had scheduled with my shop (Tue)

The items were sent 4 days apart and using different fedex services so I had to pick them up at two different sites

I got confirmation fedex would hold one of my pkgs. I was told they would hold both but the next morning it said one was out for delivery. So I picked up the one and went back home to await the other. I looked up status again later and it says its ready for pickup wth.

Nothing about this experience has been anywhere near pleasant.

The porting/coating looks great...just all the rest that was a little frustrating. I mean it even started out that way with having to beg you for an invoice to get things started.

When I talk to you, you seem like a great guy and I have no doubt as many local guys testify to that fact. I just don't think you realize how frustrating it is to be told things and have them not be true. That's my only issue with the whole thing really.As stated above, I reached out to you to attempt to make things right and am yet to get a response per my request. I appreciate the diatribe above and I don't recall stating any argument to any of your statements other than apologizing for the issues and trying to handle the situation. There are a few things listed above that are innacurate, however, I don't need attention from fellow AZ members enough to write a legnthy response to it.

Im glad you got everything as purchased and are having them installed. I also truly hope you enjoy the increase in performance and can go kick some ass at the track. I will be waiting for you to simply give me your paypal info so that I can provide you a credit as stated in my email...

Please send to me when you can !!

Thanks,

E

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[vpls4]

As stated above, I reached out to you to attempt to make things right and am yet to get a response per my request. I appreciate the diatribe above and I don't recall stating any argument to any of your statements other than apologizing for the issues and trying to handle the situation. There are a few things listed above that are innacurate, however, I don't need attention from fellow AZ members enough to write a legnthy response to it.

Im glad you got everything as purchased and are having them installed. I also truly hope you enjoy the increase in performance and can go kick some ass at the track. I will be waiting for you to simply give me your paypal info so that I can provide you a credit as stated in my email...

Please send to me when you can !!

Thanks,

E

You reached out to me yesterday in a very brief email asking for my paypal info so you could throw some money at me. Again it just seems like another attempt at placating me, before it was with false statements. What's changed, nothing.

It's not about money. I don't need soothing. It's about principles vs telling people whatever just to placate them with no intention of honoring those statements.

Besides as stated above, I did reach out to you and you blew me off. The time to 'make things right' would've been then. That window has passed and as mentioned, the frustration is over and I already had to screw my shop over by canceling my appointments the day of. So it's done, our business has concluded.

This isn't for attention or consoling comments from other members. It's an honest account of my dealings with you, so that others can know what they too 'may' experience. You seem to do good work but dealing with you 'may' be less than optimal. If folks know this they can keep their expectations in check and not be bothered by it. Win/Win

[vpls4]

I posted above in this thread: persistent P0068 Throttle Position Correlation and P2279 Leak in Air Intake System a triggered at part throttle and low load. Trying to drive longer to let it adapt didn't work, as the problem matured into a P310B Low Fuel Pressure Regulation - Fuel Pressure out of Spec code. No other codes before or after.

Did you have the Autotech hpfp or the lpfp ugrades? Wondering if GIAC would be able to adapt better with these?
Having my iAbed TB installed today...hoping to not have these issues. Car happens to be on race map with race gas at the moment so we'll see when I get the car back tonight.

[kielp]

Did you have the Autotech hpfp or the lpfp ugrades? Wondering if GIAC would be able to adapt better with these?
Having my iAbed TB installed today...hoping to not have these issues. Car happens to be on race map with race gas at the moment so we'll see when I get the car back tonight.

I have both hpfp and lpfp upgrades. I hope it woks out well for you. Maybe my car is a fluke...

[bajan01]

I have both hpfp and lpfp upgrades. I hope it woks out well for you. Maybe my car is a fluke...

I will also state that I ran the 75mm TB for quite a while without the LPFP or HPFP upgrade (3.18PR and EPL ECU tune running E25 ish fuel) and I only recently upgraded the HPFP when I went up to a 3.37PR...no problems at all. Next up is a ported SC and port matched adapter plate.

[ModItNow]

I will also state that I ran the 75mm TB for quite a while without the LPFP or HPFP upgrade (3.18PR and EPL ECU tune running E25 ish fuel) and I only recently upgraded the HPFP when I went up to a 3.37PR...no problems at all. Next up is a ported SC and port matched adapter plate.How's the 3.37 PR? I was always hesitant to go that high with Epl's tune. Now that I have a ported blower and thinking of adding meth I'm thinking 194mm which would put me at 3.35

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[bajan01]

How's the 3.37 PR? I was always hesitant to go that high with Epl's tune. Now that I have a ported blower and thinking of adding meth I'm thinking 194mm which would put me at 3.35

It’s a nice bump up from my previous 183/57.6 setup...I’m currently 194/57.6. I was on an EPL DP 93 file with the old setup running about 4 gallons of E85 per full tank of 93 and W/M for cooling (AEM kit with 500cc/min nozzle). With the change to the 194mm ring I did change to the EPL DP 93 W/M file but haven’t logged since flashing the other night. I also changed to a 1000cc/min nozzle. She feels much stronger both down low and up top. I am also running a custom TCU tune, redlining at 7200rpm.

[p3u]

I've been nothing but blown away by Evan's professionalism, quality of product and the fact that he takes the time to do right by the customer. Beyond this post I dont think I've ever heard a peep of anything other than Evan is the man.

He's earned my business and countless others for a reason. He cares and he takes care of.

[bhvrdr]

Soon to come...

74mm vs 82mm throttle body testing...https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20190118/d8f0af2d5c21e832e82dcc54fa81a8e1.jpg

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[ModItNow]

Soon to come...

74mm vs 82mm throttle body testing...https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20190118/d8f0af2d5c21e832e82dcc54fa81a8e1.jpg

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[chilort]

Soon to come...

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Wow!

[bajan01]

Soon to come...

74mm vs 82mm throttle body testing...

Are you testing the 82mm TB on the 3.17 pr or going with a higher ratio?

[bhvrdr]

Good question. I have a few tests to do. One is on the cw50 vs cw100 pump and then another on ported blower. Im trying to sort the order of things so i can get the most meaningful data. As an exaple if the cwa100 has zero impact on iat then it won't make sense to increase the pr too much. At the same time if the ported blower happens to help a bit with iat maybe i can increase the pr a bit. Alot of interdependence in the variables

[bajan01]

Good question. I have a few tests to do. One is on the cw50 vs cw100 pump and then another on ported blower. Im trying to sort the order of things so i can get the most meaningful data. As an exaple if the cwa100 has zero impact on iat then it won't make sense to increase the pr too much. At the same time if the ported blower happens to help a bit with iat maybe i can increase the pr a bit. Alot of interdependence in the variables

I agree. I also have a CWA100 pump en route for testing on my SQ5, but I am also running and AMS hx and reservoir with a VariMax pump so it will be interesting to see how my IATs react to the CWA100 pump. I am currently at a 3.37 pr.

[vpls4]

Soon to come...

74mm vs 82mm throttle body testing...

So Mike what do you propose doing to get these to work when so many people are having issues?

Are you going to use the iABED harness?

Will Unitronic adjust their tune to make it work if not plug n play for you?

[bhvrdr]

Its plug and play. Been running the 74mm for awhile in all kinds of conditions including track and nutball street testing runs. No issues at all and logs are spot on

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Soon to come...

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Going to be very little difference, if the SC inlet is stock diameter. You can’t take advantage of the 82mm, unless you either have the blower inlet ported out to almost no metal left (76-78 opening), OR cut the inlet off and weld a flange on at the wider point of the inlet (80mm opening, and the safer option). Do either of these, and you will see a difference over the 74mm.


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[bhvrdr]

Going to be very little difference, if the SC inlet is stock diameter. You can’t take advantage of the 82mm, unless you either have the blower inlet ported out to almost no metal left (76-78 opening), OR cut the inlet off and weld a flange on at the wider point of the inlet (80mm opening, and the safer option). Do either of these, and you will see a difference over the 74mm.


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Its a good point. I'm probably going to have to do the TB testing twice at the least. Once now and once with the ported blower installed and we'll see about how we can get good transition

[vpls4]

TB Installed now ABS is engaging at slow speeds with a constant clicking sound from the dash like a relay switch

< No Codes & No Dash Light Warnings >

Any Ideas ?

Low speed braking shop experienced ABS engaging like they were braking on ice... different corners pumping / pulling calipers independently.

Aside from taking TB back off to rule out anything else. Any Ideas on what would cause this?

I'm GIAC and sounds like they have no revisions/plans to fine tune their DP software for bigger TB, so hoping it's some other issue.


Wheel speed sensor? Issue with throttle plate vs throttle position vs calc maf from tb? Other guesses?

Anyone else have ABS issues with TB install ?

[maty360414]

I feel so bad for you your having problems after problems.

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[vpls4]

Not really, it's just a minor inconvenience.

Worse case take it off, and find a new tuner that has already revised a file for the TB upgrade

It's weird though...haven't heard of anyone else having ABS issues after install. My shop will figure it out.

[maty360414]

Not really, it's just a minor inconvenience.

Worse case take it off, and find a new tuner that has already revised a file for the TB upgrade

It's weird though...haven't heard of anyone else having ABS issues after install. My shop will figure it out.Since you already have the iabed TB just talk to Chris at EPL. You don't wanna buy a different TB like IE and sell your iabed to lose more money. I have nothing but positive reviews about EPL. I am in the Custom 8 file for W/M and more to come maybe 10

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[vpls4]

I actually don't know what's going on over at GIAC with this.

I talked to Andrew a few weeks back and he said "we haven't seen a need to revise the DP file for Ported SC/TB"

Yet DBFL said he was sent a test file to test out. And Tampa said everything worked good no issues even with high octane map.

But that was on the test file right? We don't have the test file and we are having issues and people are taking TB back off and/or switching tuners.

If no issue with the test file...why not release it? GIAC should at least post something about its development on here and a possible timeline for release.

I wonder if Tampa/DBFL used the file everyone else is using if they too would see issues.

Has any GIAC users installed SC/TB w/o issue on their DP file?

[vpls4]

Since you already have the iabed TB just talk to Chris at EPL. You don't wanna buy a different TB like IE and sell your iabed to lose more money. I have nothing but positive reviews about EPL. I am in the Custom 8 file for W/M and more to come maybe 10

EPL is at the top of my list. They have multiple files and they are actually active on here.

Probably wait for the next sale if TB won't work with GIAC DP.

[DBFL]

I actually don't know what's going on over at GIAC with this.

I talked to Andrew a few weeks back and he said "we haven't seen a need to revise the DP file for Ported SC/TB"

Yet DBFL said he was sent a test file to test out. And Tampa said everything worked good no issues even with high octane map.

But that was on the test file right? We don't have the test file and we are having issues and people are taking TB back off and/or switching tuners.

If no issue with the test file...why not release it? GIAC should at least post something about its development on here and a possible timeline for release.

I wonder if Tampa/DBFL used the file everyone else is using if they too would see issues.

Has any GIAC users installed SC/TB w/o issue on their DP file?

I am on an off-the-shelf dual pulley file that is available to anyone. I have had no codes or issues at all. Logging shows that my car isn’t exceeding any values (AFR, boost, timing, etc.). So a revised file isn’t necessary. There may be other variables that are causing issues for some people, but we haven’t been able to replicate any of the problems that others are seeing. At this point, there’s nothing to change based on what logs are showing.

[maty360414]

I am on an off-the-shelf dual pulley file that is available to anyone. I have had no codes or issues at all. Logging shows that my car isn’t exceeding any values (AFR, boost, timing, etc.). So a revised file isn’t necessary. There may be other variables that are causing issues for some people, but we haven’t been able to replicate any of the problems that others are seeing. At this point, there’s nothing to change based on what logs are showing.He is having issues.

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[Sick S4]

Looks like GIAC is going to be losing multiple customers and future customers if they don’t address the issues customers are experiencing with the TB upgrade. It has been silence from them on the forum and private responses stating they see no reason to make changes.

Glad I am an EPL customer. It was addressed 1 week of having the IABED TB and no issues since.


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[maty360414]

Looks like GIAC is going to be losing multiple customers and future customers if they don’t address the issues customers are experiencing with the TB upgrade. It has been silence from them on the forum and private responses stating they see no reason to make changes.

Glad I am an EPL customer. It was addressed 1 week of having the IABED TB and no issues since.


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[DBFL]

He is having issues.

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I’m not disputing that. But I only can speak to what I’ve seen with my car.
He stated that I was on a test file and that isn’t the case. I was just clarifying that error.
The plan was to use a test/beta file if needed. But based on logs of my car, it wasn’t necessary. I’m not saying that’ll be the case for everyone. There are a ton of variables. All I can say is there is no issue with my car.

[maty360414]

I’m not disputing that. But I only can speak to what I’ve seen with my car.
He stated that I was on a test file and that isn’t the case. I was just clarifying that error.
The plan was to use a test/beta file if needed. But based on logs of my car, it wasn’t necessary. I’m not saying that’ll be the case for everyone. There are a ton of variables. All I can say is there is no issue with my car.Correct from your experience, he is having a completely different experience in his side.

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[vpls4]

Yes. I have a test file from GIAC that optimizes for a ported supercharger and larger throttle body. So far, it’s all good.
Still some more testing and logging before it’s ready, so no official ETA.

^ so you switched back to a normal file after having the test file ?

edit: just saw you're above post, so that file wasn't needed

[vpls4]

my issues will hopefully get figured out when my shop opens up again monday,

i am definitely going to have the TB on there one way or another

they said they reached out to Evan about something and that he was real helpful

the ABS thing is weird for sure especially since there are no codes or dash light warnings

[DBFL]

^ so you switched back to a normal file after having the test file ?

edit: just saw you're above post, so that file wasn't needed

All we did was update to the latest OTS file. I had been on a DP beta file to that point. But we wanted to test on the finished file that was available to everyone. And the file actually feels much more consistent and powerful than the old beta. We never updated past that point because logs showed it wasn’t necessary.

[Rex Wilkinson]

All we did was update to the latest OTS file. I had been on a DP beta file to that point. But we wanted to test on the finished file that was available to everyone. And the file actually feels much more consistent and powerful than the old beta. We never updated past that point because logs showed it wasn’t necessary.

On a separate note. Did the latest file address that 4th gear sputter?

[DBFL]

On a separate note. Did the latest file address that 4th gear sputter?

Yep. Completely gone.

[QuattroRingKing]

Yep. Completely gone.

Do you know when the most recent update was released? I️ have been giac dual pulley since mid 2018. Recently I️ have upgraded to a 189 lower and getting the sputter. Other than that the car runs mint with Issam’s TB.

[Blink S4]

Anyone here with new tb and 91 map from epl ? Looks like epl only updated 93 file so far


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[DBFL]

Do you know when the most recent update was released? I️ have been giac dual pulley since mid 2018. Recently I️ have upgraded to a 189 lower and getting the sputter. Other than that the car runs mint with Issam’s TB.

I do not know when it was updated. I’d call the shop that flashed your car and see what version you are on and ask if that’s the latest.
Also, I have a 186mm lower pulley and I don’t have the HPFP that you have. I’m not sure if that’s going to change anything sputter related.

[ModItNow]

It’s a nice bump up from my previous 183/57.6 setup...I’m currently 194/57.6. I was on an EPL DP 93 file with the old setup running about 4 gallons of E85 per full tank of 93 and W/M for cooling (AEM kit with 500cc/min nozzle). With the change to the 194mm ring I did change to the EPL DP 93 W/M file but haven’t logged since flashing the other night. I also changed to a 1000cc/min nozzle. She feels much stronger both down low and up top. I am also running a custom TCU tune, redlining at 7200rpm.Thanks for the feedback, sounds like I'm going in the right direction [emoji6]

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[bajan01]

Thanks for the feedback, sounds like I'm going in the right direction [emoji6]


Logged last night and sent file off to EPL for an adjustment to the W/M tune. [emoji2958]

[kelseysautobody]

It’s a nice bump up from my previous 183/57.6 setup...I’m currently 194/57.6. I was on an EPL DP 93 file with the old setup running about 4 gallons of E85 per full tank of 93 and W/M for cooling (AEM kit with 500cc/min nozzle). With the change to the 194mm ring I did change to the EPL DP 93 W/M file but haven’t logged since flashing the other night. I also changed to a 1000cc/min nozzle. She feels much stronger both down low and up top. I am also running a custom TCU tune, redlining at 7200rpm.

Nice to see some more EPL guys pushing it a littler further over the "normal" DP ratio. I'm curious about your custom TCU tune. Do the shifts feel any more consistent or crisper at 7200 instead of 7400? Any specific reasoning for lowering redline?

[bajan01]

Nice to see some more EPL guys pushing it a littler further over the "normal" DP ratio. I'm curious about your custom TCU tune. Do the shifts feel any more consistent or crisper at 7200 instead of 7400? Any specific reasoning for lowering redline?

My reasoning is that I am running factory cats and for daily driving 7200rpm is plenty. For the track I’ll probably bump it up a bit in an attempt not to change to 5th before the 1/4 mile mark. That’s dependent on how high the ECU tune caries timing/fuel though.

[vpls4]

I believe I'm getting my car back today. TB & Tampa ported SC / 4" intake have been installed.

Shop says my car is crazy fast now & no issues or codes!

They kept overnight to test that the ABS issue had cleared. It was engaging at low speed they swapped back to stock TB, issue was still there so they reset ABS module and it hasn't come back.

Also installed 2 new IC Cores as both of mine had small leaks.

Next drag nite is Feb 8th, hoping to put down some sub 11.5 times that better reflect the mods i have.

[GandalfTheIbis]

That's great news. I hope to see some good passes from you. I'm glad you're now without issue.

Let us know how it goes with the high octane GIAC file. Also, are you still running a CTS intake?

[QuattroRingKing]

I do not know when it was updated. I’d call the shop that flashed your car and see what version you are on and ask if that’s the latest.
Also, I have a 186mm lower pulley and I don’t have the HPFP that you have. I’m not sure if that’s going to change anything sputter related.

I️ flashed the car myself using the flash loader mobile as I’ve been working with GIAC directly. I’ll have to look at the software level in my files and ask what the latest is. It only happens on occasion. Car rips otherwise

[vpls4]

That's great news. I hope to see some good passes from you. I'm glad you're now without issue.

Let us know how it goes with the high octane GIAC file. Also, are you still running a CTS intake?

Got the all good from the shop going to pick it up now.

Longest I've been w/o my baby..a week! Funny my wife can go to Washington for a week and i'm like wow you're back already, Lol. But the car....

It is actually on race map with sunoco gt 260 100oct. So all good on the race file. And I had a fuel-it ethanol analyzer installed so can save some $$ running race map with E38 or so. I'm running Evan's 4" intake with it.

Yea hoping to see some good passes too. With new IC Cores as well, maybe that's why my car wasn't seeing good traps, and I'm running a 30/70 water/coolant mix now.

[Morritse]

Got the all good from the shop going to pick it up now.

Longest I've been w/o my baby..a week! Funny my wife can go to Washington for a week and i'm like wow you're back already, Lol. But the car....

It is actually on race map with sunoco gt 260 100oct. So all good on the race file. And I had a fuel-it ethanol analyzer installed so can save some $$ running race map with E38 or so. I'm running Evan's 4" intake with it.

Yea hoping to see some good passes too. With new IC Cores as well, maybe that's why my car wasn't seeing good traps, and I'm running a 30/70 water/coolant mix now.

You should be hitting 11.3s bro! Good luck!

[GandalfTheIbis]

Consider me invested. I was running slow times on my GIAC race file with that fuel but I did not have a throttle body.

[vpls4]

1st Impression of Ported SC & iABED TB.... Hell Yea! Haven't had chance to log or even really have a good workout with her yet

I swear the exhaust note has changed, not as loud but deeper. A little of it could be that I'm hearing more of the SC whine now.

I do think I'll probably have to to drive with traction control off (one-touch-off). I lose traction (dash light) now when i somewhat punch it even when already moving at 35-40mph. Will be much better prepared for the occasional roll race.

Perhaps someone could help identify this new noise since having this stuff installed

Not the steady noise but the.... dudle aht da, dudle aht da


https://youtu.be/BqS_5EnS_CU

[maty360414]

1st Impression of Ported SC & iABED TB.... Hell Yea! Haven't had chance to log or even really have a good workout with her yet

I swear the exhaust note has changed, not as loud but deeper. A little of it could be that I'm hearing more of the SC whine now.

I do think I'll probably have to to drive with traction control off (one-touch-off). I lose traction (dash light) now when i somewhat punch it even when already moving at 35-40mph. Will be much better prepared for the occasional roll race.

Perhaps someone could help identify this new noise since having this stuff installed

Not the steady noise but the.... dudle aht da, dudle aht da


https://youtu.be/BqS_5EnS_CUThat doesn't sound good does it come from the S/C?

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[vpls4]

i believe it's somewhere in front like maybe sc pulley or belt or...idk I was kinda hoping it worked itself out, lol

I'll look at it in the light tomorrow...I thought maybe the sc pulley was wobbling or something

any insight appreciated

[kelseysautobody]

i believe it's somewhere in front like maybe sc pulley or belt or...idk I was kinda hoping it worked itself out, lol

I'll look at it in the light tomorrow...I thought maybe the sc pulley was wobbling or something

any insight appreciated

Sounds like a belt or pulley. Spray your SC belt with some water and see if the noise goes away.

[evil35r]

Agreed if noise goes away when water is sprayed on it then comes back it’s the belt. I have had a similar noise for a while now but it always goes away when the car is warm. So Im letting it buff out.

[vpls4]

Better video of the noise...

It did not go away when I sprayed water at it but not sure I was able to hit the inside of belt good enough, kinda hard to get to


https://youtu.be/tzCpwPaW6Zw

https://image.frl/i/apa0i7ooeoh7iysr.jpg

[vpls4]

the pulley attached to the water pump was wobbling and I just had pump replaced in march...should be under warranty at least.

edit: a shop tightened bolts when he pointed it out and hasn't wobbled since.

[vpls4]

[drive]

You're going to love it :)

Yes I did! The extra Umph & Responsiveness were great but its just not playing nice with others

Should we perhaps try another harness? Also going to try another tuner after replacing pcv valve again suspect it was defective from the get-go

After installing TB, Ported SC, 4" intake

2328.74 - 970 = 1358.74 x 0.014503774 = 19.70 psi and 27.375* of timing

Couple of logs with the 75mm TB still on the car.
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1fdach-1fJQxFnRS9vWEJ-RtE2zWAaDLd/view?usp=sharing
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1yuLl8EVzEzb-x0mAtjkMcR-GAgq4rdny/view?usp=sharing

Stock TB and 3" intake are going back on so i'll compare how much boost timing I had gained with the TB (despite the errors of course)

Had these errors, plus constant idle hunting and misfires at idle.

P0068 Throttle Position Correlation
P2279 Leak in Air Intake System
P0456 Very Small Leak Detected
+
P052E PCV Valve Malfunction << had this code March, right after replacing pcv valve and everything else under sc and fueling upgrades all at the same time. (going to have it replaced again perhaps defective)

My shop did compression test all good w/i 3 psi of each other, plugs evenly worn no fouling.
They also checked all of the following:

1. pcv neck directly under the center of sc
2. pcv box (check for small hairline crack)
3. hose just underneath the tb are pretty brittle could also be split
4. use an rtv gasket sealant on IC Core O-rings

[vpls4]

@ Chris@EPL

Thanks for reaching out on PM. I am still keeping you guys in the mix. Will reach out for pricing etc for DP TB / Ported SC tune and DSG tune.

I have all the hardware and would be switching from another vendor, not sure if you throw a discount for that or not.

Also would I be able to switch between a couple tunes such E40/100 and Pump? Not sure how your tunes switching or flashing to another one works.

[kelseysautobody]

@ Chris@EPL

Thanks for reaching out on PM. I am still keeping you guys in the mix. Will reach out for pricing etc for DP TB / Ported SC tune and DSG tune.

I have all the hardware and would be switching from another vendor, not sure if you throw a discount for that or not.

Also would I be able to switch between a couple tunes such E40/100 and Pump? Not sure how your tunes switching or flashing to another one works.

Switching tunes is very easy. Download EPL's flash loader to your laptop or tablet once then its a 5-10 minute process to switch files with a good wi-fi connection. You'll need EPL's cable. I've never done it but others have switched files using a mobile hot spot.

[Chris@EPL]

Yes flashing only takes about 4 mins.

[Morritse]

Switching tunes is very easy. Download EPL's flash loader to your laptop or tablet once then its a 5-10 minute process to switch files with a good wi-fi connection. You'll need EPL's cable. I've never done it but others have switched files using a mobile hot spot.

I've done it with a hotspot before.

I wonder if it's possible, during the flashing process, to completely download the flash BEFORE erasing the ECU, that way we can use a hotspot without having to worry.

[brs2c]

I wonder if it's possible, during the flashing process, to completely download the flash BEFORE erasing the ECU, that way we can use a hotspot without having to worry.

I have wondered this, too. I use the hotspot with only 1 bar of 4g, every time. Kind of scary.

[vpls4]

I posted this in another thread but...should post here since it might help someone else out.

They were able to diagnose my two codes and fix them!!!

The long-standing P052E PCV Valve Malfunction was from CTS intake breather tube barb fitting to extend the hose. Visually it looked fine but I guess they got a bad batch of plastic and it had melted together inside and allowed no air through. So when the pcv went to do it's intermittent pressure check it would fail.

The other intermittent P0456 Very Small Leak Detected was a tiny hairline fracture on the solenoid on SC above the TB....somewhere in that location.
For now superglue it and order another one. He said they got real lucky in that they just happened to be leaning over that area when pcv did one of its test and they heard air release from that area.The crack ran along one of the molding/fab lines so super hard to even see.

So as far as the other two: P0068 Throttle Position Correlation & P2279 Leak in Air Intake System
Well those are the two codes that some folks from all different tuners across the great tuning divide were getting. Just happens that most, if not all tuners but mine, revised their tunes within a day or two.

I'm going to put about 500 miles on the car like she is DP 3.18 pr and ensure all good with the other two codes and then get that TB back on there and if still get the two codes people were getting...then change tuners.

So I see some road trips for wife and I in the very near future gotta put some mile on her now. I'll miss that TB but it's cool cause I still have a good ported sc.

[Rodizzle]

How's it going with this? Also do you know if they plan to address the 1-2 gear slam thing that's happening with wheel spin, as far as raising torque limits & clamping pressure?

If they don't have any plans to improve the tcu tune, do you think the TVS tcu tune would play nice with GIAC.

I put a call into them but it was right before the holidays so I'll try again, may pm them on fb and press my shop to get some answers. The tcu issue is a huge piece of the equation for me...I no longer trust launching for fear of catastrophic failure and a lot of folks say that's tune related...ok mostly Oleg, lol. When there's other tuners willing to work with us making tcu adjustments for this issue with the extra whp we're seeing now.


Just finished reading all 18 pages lol great information guys . My car tells me yes on the TB but my pockets are asking if it really worth it [emoji23] .
Either way , did your tuner resolve the 1st to 2nd gear slamming ? l know Oleg said its tune related . I don’t doubt him , I’m not sure if it ECU or TCU tho . IE , 034 and APR all has the 1st gear slamming . The only tuner I haven’t heard from was EPL [emoji1687].
The reason I mentioned ECU , it’s because I’m currently back with 034 testing out developing ecu/tcu files which Nate has put in so much hard work in rewriting his E Maps (shout out to them ) and since then I haven’t notice any “slamming of gear” .

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qnOpE7FJqvE

[jimrobbington]

That seems hella fast!

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[FastLane1000]

Are guys with Unitronic tunes running the Iabed setup without codes? Mine is on the way.
Thanks!

[bhvrdr]

Are guys with Unitronic tunes running the Iabed setup without codes? Mine is on the way.
Thanks!

No issues with the 74.5mm one. With the 82mm one i get the tb correlation code but no performance or driveability issues.

[FastLane1000]

No issues with the 74.5mm one. With the 82mm one i get the tb correlation code but no performance or driveability issues.

Perfect Thanks!

[mantech4]

Anyone know what is a open throttle plate?

Looking to buy a TB but not sure how to spot the difference between each option. Also is there an installation guide?

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[Morritse]

Anyone know what is a open throttle plate?

Looking to buy a TB but not sure how to spot the difference between each option. Also is there an installation guide?

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Choose that option if you have a ported blower of plan to eventually get a ported blower. They match the adapter plate to a ported snout.

You really don't need an installation guide. It's extremely self explanatory.

[mantech4]

Choose that option if you have a ported blower of plan to eventually get a ported blower. They match the adapter plate to a ported snout.

You really don't need an installation guide. It's extremely self explanatory.I have the TB but not sure if it is adapter plate is matched to a ported snout. Anyone have a picture?

Where could I buy this adapter plate?
Doesn't seem to come individually...


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[ModItNow]

I have the TB but not sure if it is adapter plate is matched to a ported snout. Anyone have a picture?

Where could I buy this adapter plate?
Doesn't seem to come individually...


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[mantech4]

Try installing it or else your probably going to have to measure it and compare to someone else's.

Sent from my SM-G965U using Audizine mobile app (http://r.tapatalk.com/byo?rid=87676)Sent an email to see if I can just order the open throttle plate.

Will post when I get an answer so that people who port in the future can see.

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[bhvrdr]

Sent an email to see if I can just order the open throttle plate.

Will post when I get an answer so that people who port in the future can see.

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I ordered stuff all separately. Already had both throttle bodies. Ordered two adapter plates and a cable then later ordered justca cable to work with an ultracharger kit

Mike

[mantech4]

I ordered stuff all separately. Already had both throttle bodies. Ordered two adapter plates and a cable then later ordered justca cable to work with an ultracharger kit

MikeCool. Do you have a picture of the piece that is suppose to link to the ported SC? I think that's what I'm missing.

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[bhvrdr]

Cool. Do you have a picture of the piece that is suppose to link to the ported SC? I think that's what I'm missing.

Sent from my SM-G973W using TapatalkIts just a spacer/adapter platehttps://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20190721/888187698b138653f1cb41a6ce210a42.jpg

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[mantech4]

Its just a spacer/adapter platehttps://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20190721/888187698b138653f1cb41a6ce210a42.jpg

Sent from my SM-G935V using TapatalkThanks a bunch! I'll buy that to complete my setup.

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[Morritse]

Thanks a bunch! I'll buy that to complete my setup.

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That's for the 80mm TB. The 75mm ported plate looks the same as the one you got, just with some material removed.

[bajan01]

That's for the 80mm TB. The 75mm ported plate looks the same as the one you got, just with some material removed.

Unless there was a revision, both the 75mm and the 82mm iAbed Industries (http://www.iabedindustries.com) TB adapter plates look similar.

75mm TB Adapter Plate:

https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20190721/d2c62a5f7b92beedfa943806390b0f23.jpg

82mm TB Adapter Plate:

https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20190721/f8b74c387532dce1d91af45781eced15.jpg

The subtle differences are that the bolt holes for the 82mm TB are further out than those for the 75mm TB and the factory bolt hole locations are closer to the opening for the 82mm TB vs. the 75mm TB.

[bhvrdr]

They look very similar
https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20190721/216e6141324636a25d1696fb37a2fb75.jpghttps://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20190721/cb0ea5f0328f487d1f6a9be95c43f7f8.jpg

[Morritse]

They look very similar
https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20190721/216e6141324636a25d1696fb37a2fb75.jpghttps://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20190721/cb0ea5f0328f487d1f6a9be95c43f7f8.jpg

Obviously the inner bolt holes have to be the same since they both bolt up to the stock throttle plate. But the outer ones are different, and I doubt the holes on the 75/82mm TBs are in the exact same place.

[nkh79]

Quick revival for this one. I purchased the 75mm from Issam months ago (I think it was during the 2nd or 3rd batch), but never got around to installing it since I was worried about CELs and didn’t have time to deal with it back then.

I finally got some time to investigate and was able to bring it to Midwest Performance Cars in Northbrook, IL, and after my car did throw a light, they worked with GIAC to get me an updated file (semi custom I think). Car is running great with the TB now and no lights, so for any GIAC people that were on the fence, it looks like there’s a solution now.

[bajan01]

Quick revival for this one. I purchased the 75mm from Issam months ago (I think it was during the 2nd or 3rd batch), but never got around to installing it since I was worried about CELs and didn’t have time to deal with it back then.

I finally got some time to investigate and was able to bring it to Midwest Performance Cars in Northbrook, IL, and after my car did throw a light, they worked with GIAC to get me an updated file (semi custom I think). Car is running great with the TB now and no lights, so for any GIAC people that were on the fence, it looks like there’s a solution now.

Is GIAC tuning for the 82mm TB with ported blower and test pipes?

[GandalfTheIbis]

Is GIAC Tuning for the 82mm TB with ported blower and test pipes?

This would surprise me. I bought a new tune because GIAC was taking the stance that big TB's didn't require any further tuning.

[Wizard-of-OD]

This would surprise me. I bought a new tune because GIAC was taking the stance that big TB's didn't require any further tuning.
Just to clarify this. GIAC wanted to streamline the offerings they had.
82mm tune is available from others.

[wrxkyle]

Just to clarify this. GIAC wanted to streamline the offerings they had.
82mm tune is available from others.

I have a hard time believing that no gains exist to be made with dedicated tunes to specific mods, the ecu is smart but it’s not that smart. I could be 100% wrong but giac doesn't seem very interested in spending resources to continue developing for the b8.5 platform. iE and awe seem more involved with pushing what can be done.

Called the only local giac dealer to see about getting a ecu file update and they evidently only work on porches and charge $150-200 to update the ecu. Thats half the cost of a full tune on some platforms... for like 15 mins labor to connect a cable, pull up a file and hit send...

Wish it wasn't so cost prohibitive to switch tuners.

[jimrobbington]

I have a hard time believing that no gains exist to be made with dedicated tunes to specific mods, the ecu is smart but it’s not that smart. I could be 100% wrong but giac doesn't seem very interested in spending resources to continue developing for the b8.5 platform. iE and awe seem more involved with pushing what can be done.

Called the only local giac dealer to see about getting a ecu file update and they evidently only work on porches and charge $150-200 to update the ecu. Thats half the cost of a full tune on some platforms... for like 15 mins labor to connect a cable, pull up a file and hit send...

Wish it wasn't so cost prohibitive to switch tuners.JHM has started working on 3.0T tuning for our platform, sp thru must believe there's something left on the table to offer...

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[wrxkyle]

JHM has started working on 3.0T tuning for our platform, sp thru must believe there's something left on the table to offer...

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oh i agree, and the work from integrated engineering and others definitely proves that. been kind of put off by giac's/their dealers general attitude. i asked if a cold start delete file could be made and there response was WELL THAT'S ILLEGAL YOU CAN'T DO THAT!. tbh well that's none of your business, i'm asking if a file without the extra fuel dump and timing changes can be made for those without cats. like apr and others have made.

simply saying "we aren't really interested in pursuing further development on the s4 platform" would be sufficient.

i'm sure no giac tuned car has ever had any illegal parts, or, you know, driven in california where their tunes aren't legal at all.... if tunes were closer to $600 like in the subaru world i'd see jumping at swapping tuners but when we are talking about a $1500+ premium just to leave one tune that you really can't resell anyway to go to another tuner it's cost prohibitive.

would love to see IE do something like a special deal if you show that you have a tuned car and want to switch to them, i think business wise getting more people to switch at a deeply discounted rate would be more lucrative than hoping that some people will switch at full price.

[9lives]

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Heres my unboxing of the product, thoughts and installation. Hopefully this will help out others making a purchase of the "boost brat."


https://youtu.be/DxwGnpbYpWo

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[9lives]

But wait.. how does it run off hotdogs?

[dropshadow]

...

[fastslash25]

oh i agree, and the work from integrated engineering and others definitely proves that. been kind of put off by giac's/their dealers general attitude. i asked if a cold start delete file could be made and there response was WELL THAT'S ILLEGAL YOU CAN'T DO THAT!. tbh well that's none of your business, i'm asking if a file without the extra fuel dump and timing changes can be made for those without cats. like apr and others have made.

simply saying "we aren't really interested in pursuing further development on the s4 platform" would be sufficient.

i'm sure no giac tuned car has ever had any illegal parts, or, you know, driven in california where their tunes aren't legal at all.... if tunes were closer to $600 like in the subaru world i'd see jumping at swapping tuners but when we are talking about a $1500+ premium just to leave one tune that you really can't resell anyway to go to another tuner it's cost prohibitive.

would love to see IE do something like a special deal if you show that you have a tuned car and want to switch to them, i think business wise getting more people to switch at a deeply discounted rate would be more lucrative than hoping that some people will switch at full price.

IE offers a 10% discount for switching tuners with proof of purchase of old tune. I checked on Dec 31, 2019

[scar]

Heres the inner workings of the brat. Have fun.

https://www.audizine.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=91385&d=1541099465

This was a joke, right? That's an off the shelf cigarette lighter to USB charger circuit board.

Sorry, I realize I'm replying to a very old comment on this thread. I'm still working my way through it all

[pewpewprince]

Yop, its not even connected. Iam workin on it 2.

[slacktide]

Yep, that's pretty clearly a 12v-5v DC-DC buck converter ripped out of a USB cigarette lighter adapter. There is absolutely no proprietary logic conversion, level shifting, or anything fancy at all going on there. It's kind of silly that they are re-purposing an USB cigarette charger for parts, when you can buy bare-board buck converters for less than a dollar on aliexpress. I have a newer Brat, and it's a little different under the insulation, so it looks like maybe they've done that change now. But yeah, this appears to be nothing other than a power adapter.

https://www.aliexpress.com/item/4000064597454.html?spm=a2g0o.productlist.0.0.471ea 153T0jBQs&algo_pvid=08c877e2-b9d2-40a1-a147-82c0136a8ccd&algo_expid=08c877e2-b9d2-40a1-a147-82c0136a8ccd-0&btsid=0ab6f82315988946834826069e4536&ws_ab_test=searchweb0_0,searchweb201602_,searchweb 201603_

[bajan01]

https://www.audizine.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=91385&d=1541099465

This was a joke, right?

Yes, 100% a joke...

[toastsauce]

Yes, 100% a joke...

Anyone install the iAbed TB on an APR tune? Or a stock tune?

I'm dual pulley and can't get rid of the P2279 and P0068 codes w/ the 74mm TB. I've reinstalled this 3 times and am sure I am over the 11n-m torque spec and even put some teflon on the meth port plug. Thinking of using gasket sealant also.

Is the only way to resolve switching tuners? APR obviously doesn't have a separate file for this.

Thanks

[djn876]

Anyone install the iAbed TB on an APR tune? Or a stock tune?

I'm dual pulley and can't get rid of the P2279 and P0068 codes w/ the 74mm TB. I've reinstalled this 3 times and am sure I am over the 11n-m torque spec and even put some teflon on the meth port plug. Thinking of using gasket sealant also.

Is the only way to resolve switching tuners? APR obviously doesn't have a separate file for this.

ThanksThe codes are likely not an air leak and are due to the throttle body needing an update in the tune to account for the extra air flow. If you search this thread you will see it is not that uncommon. APR will be unlikely to update the tune for this TB I would guess. The codes aren't hurting anything though, assuming it isn't causing a CEL, which is more just annoying and masking other codes.

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