TTE Turbo info/review thread?

[VR6Bomber]

This has turned into a TTE Turbo Information Sharing / Discussion thread.

For those seeking information on TTE Turbos and for those wishing to share information on TTE Turbo products.

Post information on your TTE Builds, TTE info, TTE questions and TTE whatever!
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Original Post:
Is there a already a thread where discussing TTE's?

TTE doesn't seem to get as much discussion on AZ as the other turbo options..

Is this due to lack of availability? Because the TTE price point is higher? Or because they aren't AZ vendors?
I expected to find some info on TTE as they appear to be a quality (non-budget) turbo option.

I'd like to find some first hand info on the TTE600 series vs 605's vs K24's, specific to reliability and build quality. The TTE might to have the highest build quality, however this is only my assumption and based on public marketing material and the vendor's descriptions (made in Germany, BW components)

What is a "reinforced 360 degree motorsport bearing system", just a fancied up term for thrust bearing? or Something better?
TTE doesn't seem to offer ball bearings, even on their highest end product the TTE950+. Is this 'motorsport bearing system' that good?, Are the centers that well balanced?

Feel free to PM me if I can find TTE related info on another forum.

[christianb5s4]

Generally speaking, there's been a few threads on here but this one comes to mind: https://www.audizine.com/forum/showthread.php/748911-ok-spit-it-out-who-bought-the-TTE950-kit

The consensus in my mind is TTE makes some very high quality parts that are mostly used by European cars and rarely used in the US (at the least, US owners running these don't post much if at all publicly). Price point is a big factor as is availability however prepare yourself for a lot of back and forth debate on them in this thread. Really depends on your goals and budget.

I'd be willing to try them a try if I can see more data and it becomes more commonly used out here. I've personally never skimped a single penny on my build, however if I'm getting ~90% of the performance out my K24s vs. a comparable TTE offering for 1/3 the price is an attractive value proposition no matter how you slice it.

[TighTT]

I run TTE 550's on my 3 liter cactus sedan and will soon be running TTE 950+ setup on my wide body wagon (3 liter). No complaints thus far with the 550's....they absolutely rip.

[VR6Bomber]

I run TTE 550's on my 3 liter cactus sedan and will soon be running TTE 950+ setup on my wide body wagon (3 liter). No complaints thus far with the 550's....they absolutely rip.

Whats the story on the 'motorsport 360 degree bearing"?
I'm having a tough time getting past spending the extra money for a 'premium' kit that doesn't have ball bearings.

[projectvoltron]

Subscribing because id like to know about TTE stuff myself

[SoundEfx]

I'll be building my spare engine, so this info will be useful.

[VR6Bomber]

I've been thinking about the tte550 (ko4 exhaust housing?) and tte600 (RS6 exhaust housing?).
I'd like to see a hp/tq curve for each.

The TTE website is comically bad and is void of any real info, they just have pictures as far as I can tell.

[projectvoltron]

I've been thinking about the tte550 (ko4 exhaust housing?) and tte600 (RS6 exhaust housing?).
I'd like to see a hp/tq curve for each.

The TTE website is comically bad and is void of any real info, they just have pictures as far as I can tell.

If i'm not mistaken, The TTE550 is based off the RS4 k04 and the TTE600s are based off the rs6 k04s

[christianb5s4]

Not to derail the thread, but does anyone know if the TTE y-pipe works with a stock RS4 accordion hose and RS4 lobster claws?

[VR6Bomber]

Not to derail the thread, but does anyone know if the TTE y-pipe works with a stock RS4 accordion hose and RS4 lobster claws?

Do you mean THE-Tuner Y-Pipe (http://www.the-tuner.com/en/produkt/s-rs4-102mm-ansaug-y)?
"We mostly use the Y in combination with THE - MAF housing, but it is also possible in combination with the Rs4 MAF. We also offer compatible silicone tubes."

Sounds like you have to buy theirs..?

[dalazybastard]

I too just last week was wondering what they meant by the 360* bearing and did some extensive searching to no avail.

Subbed for hopes of an answer.

Also I noticed if you already have k04’s they will rebuild them for you too make them tte550’s


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[S4James]

360 degree thrust bearings are a pretty common thing with newer hybrid turbos. you can google the differences.. Near as I can tell the TTE claims to use OE castings and "custom" wheels.. but they were recently outed as a customer of KTE, a Malaysian manufacturer of turbo impeller wheels.... I suspect they are the standard fare of asian sourced innards. And black paint.

Good turbos? Definitely.

Worth the premium? maybe. depends on what that extra 10% is worth to you I guess.



here, i googled it for you: http://www.superstreetonline.com/how-to/engine/0405tur-basic-turbo-tech-part-1/

[Zba]

360 degree thrust bearings are a pretty common thing with newer hybrid turbos. you can google the differences.. Near as I can tell the TTE claims to use OE castings and "custom" wheels.. but they were recently outed as a customer of KTE, a Malaysian manufacturer of turbo impeller wheels.... I suspect they are the standard fare of asian sourced innards. And black paint.

Good turbos? Definitely.

Worth the premium? maybe. depends on what that extra 10% is worth to you I guess.



here, i googled it for you: http://www.superstreetonline.com/how-to/engine/0405tur-basic-turbo-tech-part-1/

I usually don't enter these types of discussions because once you start talking about where components come from, all hell breaks loose and this place turns into a scene from lord of the flies.

With that said, why do you make the assumption that wheels from a supplier are not custom? The way you present your argument is that because they come from Malaysia (or is your argument that they come from a supplier?) that they are not in fact custom at all.

Bear in mind, even your favorite manufacturers have to source components to build every component you put on your car or use elsewhere.

I agree that they are expensive, but for me personally, two FT21 failures have forever soured me on budget turbos.

To go a step further, THETuner stuff is expensive as hell too, but I will be supporting their efforts and purchase what i can from them. I realize WDR stuff is cheaper but I value the OE design and the costs that go into that.

Rant over...

[FlyboyS4]

I've been thinking about the tte550 (ko4 exhaust housing?) and tte600 (RS6 exhaust housing?).
I'd like to see a hp/tq curve for each.

The TTE website is comically bad and is void of any real info, they just have pictures as far as I can tell.

I believe that is correct, they both use the same center that is similar to the RS6, and the turbine housing is what is different.
The data from each that I've found looks like you'd expect if comparing K04's to RS6's, the 550 builds torque quicker, but around 4000 rpm the 600 surpasses it and then maintains advantage from there on.

I suspect cost is what makes them a little less used, but then PB5 and TC sell less expensive turbo's and they don't get much attention either.

[christianb5s4]

Do you mean THE-Tuner Y-Pipe (http://www.the-tuner.com/en/produkt/s-rs4-102mm-ansaug-y)?
"We mostly use the Y in combination with THE - MAF housing, but it is also possible in combination with the Rs4 MAF. We also offer compatible silicone tubes."

Sounds like you have to buy theirs..?

Sorry, I realized that it was THE-Tuner after the fact.

[S4James]

I usually don't enter these types of discussions because once you start talking about where components come from, all hell breaks loose and this place turns into a scene from lord of the flies.

With that said, why do you make the assumption that wheels from a supplier are not custom? The way you present your argument is that because they come from Malaysia (or is your argument that they come from a supplier?) that they are not in fact custom at all.
.

IF you read carefully, i made no such suggestion. They could be a custom part made by KTR for their application, or an off the shelf offering... nothing bad about either possibility. Just stating that they source their parts from the same low cost suppliers that many others do.. I expect they make a very tidy profit.

They do make some awesome looking products no doubt. I would just never pay that much for them.. Im not bashing, im just poor..

[FlyboyS4]

Also I noticed if you already have k04’s they will rebuild them for you too make them tte550’s

It was around 1900 for me to have a set of K04's converted to 550's.

Here is the 550 vs 600 data (http://www.myaudis4.com/2015/11/09/tte-550-vs-tte-600/) I compared.

A few pro's for the 550 product (http://www.myaudis4.com/tte550-turbochargers/) I had, the wastegates apparently are stock units that use a different spring setup, presumably better suited to the higher target boost levels.
They port the inlet (http://www.myaudis4.com/2016/04/09/one-tte550-installed-almost/) to the compressor housing.
More than just stating that they balance the turbo's they provide a balance sheet for each one when they're delivered. I believe the 550's were balanced to 250k rpm.

[S4James]

Is TTE porting the hot side? I was under the impression they were.









edit: off topic stuff removed.. dunno why I posted all that...

[TighTT]

I had TTE lighten the turbines on my 550's...just for fun. =)

https://images49.fotki.com/v606/photos/8/232908/13952896/35494209715309-vi.jpg

[Drehmoment]

TTE 1200 is the top dog now, CNC Billet compressor housings

https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=1866228850075516&set=pcb.1866235610074840&type=3&theater

[dalazybastard]

It was around 1900 for me to have a set of K04's converted to 550's.


What/how was the process?

Turnaround time?

I don’t recall seeing it in your posts.


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[landfill]

As far as ball bearings let’s say tial’s
to these look at the numbers and customer cars floating around. There’s
TTE cars in the 9’s and one or maybe two tial 770 cars in the 10’s. You could always do a custom GT setup. I was about to finish my car and then moved on. For the money you can just do a vrt swap or stk and be done with it.

[projectvoltron]

360 degree thrust bearings are a pretty common thing with newer hybrid turbos. you can google the differences.. Near as I can tell the TTE claims to use OE castings and "custom" wheels.. but they were recently outed as a customer of KTE, a Malaysian manufacturer of turbo impeller wheels.... I suspect they are the standard fare of asian sourced innards. And black paint.

Good turbos? Definitely.

Worth the premium? maybe. depends on what that extra 10% is worth to you I guess.



here, i googled it for you: http://www.superstreetonline.com/how-to/engine/0405tur-basic-turbo-tech-part-1/

IMO just because they outsourced the hard and expensive machine work doesn't mean that they still aren't quality products. A 5 axis mill. which is what is required for a turbine wheel, is not a cheap thing to get into. Im sure they still designed and just had some cheaper company cut them. 6065 aluminum (or what they use) is the same across the board.

From the way it sounds they have a pretty stringent quality control and not to mention they still balance everything that leaves there company.

As for the higher price point, I agree. It all depends on if its worth it to you.

[VR6Bomber]

As far as ball bearings let’s say tial’s
to these look at the numbers and customer cars floating around. There’s
TTE cars in the 9’s and one or maybe two tial 770 cars in the 10’s. You could always do a custom GT setup. I was about to finish my car and then moved on. For the money you can just do a vrt swap or stk and be done with it.

What were you trying to say here?

[projectvoltron]

What/how was the process?

Turnaround time?

I don’t recall seeing it in your posts.


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I would also like to know the process


What were you trying to say here?

I would also like to know what they are talking about

[VR6Bomber]

To follow up on my original quandary on TTE550 vs TTE600;
From what I found it seems that the TTE550 has a nice lump of tq/hp and tapers down after 4000rpms, and the TTE's keep building all the way until 7000 kind of like how the 770's just don't seem to run out of breath.
I think that I like the TTE600's, but I'd like to hear someone say that the TTE600's are in fact drive-able and that the power doesn't come on so late that you never really are in the powerband

[Drehmoment]

If you are concerned about drive ability 550's hands down, which means city driving with limited open road access. Top end power skip the 600's and go straight to 780's, you have to build the motor for either one, TTE will tell you to get the 780's.

[FlyboyS4]

What/how was the process?

Turnaround time?

I don’t recall seeing it in your posts.

About two weeks from them receiving the used turbos to shipping back the finished product. They would not use the turbine housings from the BW K04's that I sent them (the wastegate passage exits on both had small cracks) so I had to buy a pair they had, so more like $2800 to convert an existing set of K04's.


Im sure they still designed and just had some cheaper company cut them.

I doubt very much they are designing the compressor wheel, unless you mean by picking from a catalog of options.


To follow up on my original quandary on TTE550 vs TTE600;
From what I found it seems that the TTE550 has a nice lump of tq/hp and tapers down after 4000rpms, and the TTE's keep building all the way until 7000 kind of like how the 770's just don't seem to run out of breath.
I think that I like the TTE600's, but I'd like to hear someone say that the TTE600's are in fact drive-able and that the power doesn't come on so late that you never really are in the powerband

Pick a boost level you want to operate at and then find a turbo to match it. A turbocharger won't 'run out of breath' if it is operated within the range it was designed for.

[VR6Bomber]

As far as stateside TTE vendors, it appears to be USP and ETEK tuning (Las Vegas)
Anyone heard of or done business with ETEK?
Never heard of them, but their price on the TTE600 is 200$ less than USP.

[VR6Bomber]

About two weeks from them receiving the used turbos to shipping back the finished product. They would not use the turbine housings from the BW K04's that I sent them (the wastegate passage exits on both had small cracks) so I had to buy a pair they had, so more like $2800 to convert an existing set of K04's.



I doubt very much they are designing the compressor wheel, unless you mean by picking from a catalog of options.



Pick a boost level you want to operate at and then find a turbo to match it. A turbocharger won't 'run out of breath' if it is operated within the range it was designed for.
True, good point.
Your site and information have been very informative and thank you for your contributions.
Why did you move on from the 550's?
And how did you find their quality overall?

[FlyboyS4]

True, good point.
Your site and information have been very informative and thank you for your contributions.
Why did you move on from the 550's?
And how did you find their quality overall?

I had other turbos I wanted to try out. They seemed like a well put together product, I would not have a problem with using them again.

[GTFORZA]

Here is the things with turbos. I used to work a a turbo shop. 360° thrust bearings increase reliability. Pretty much all turbos use a thrust bearings. Ball bearing turbos pretty much have a ball bearing assembly that replace the journals per say. Next, if you are worried about cheap Asian products, Borgwarner now has a plant in China. It makes the k03/k04 very cheap. Not just because labor, but because the plant increases production volume. Finally, a CNC milled part is only as good as its materials, it's design, and the CNC resolution. That being said. As long as parts check all those boxes it will make zero difference as to where it is made.

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[FlyboyS4]

Next, if you are worried about cheap Asian products, Borgwarner now has a plant in China. It makes the k03/k04 very cheap. Not just because labor, but because the plant increases production volume.

BW having a plant in China does not to address the concerns about the quality of non-BW turbos.

[VR6Bomber]

I had other turbos I wanted to try out. They seemed like a well put together product, I would not have a problem with using them again.

Do you know the material used for the TTE bearings? Were they bronze?

Your impressions of the TTE550 vs the tial 605's, as far as performance characteristics?
I only ask this b/c I had a 605 car, I have that as a personal point of reference. I'm not comparing or considering 605s right now.

[S4James]

think of the TTE 550 like a well sorted k04/rs6 hybrid

[TighTT]

BW having a plant in China does not to address the concerns about the quality of non-BW turbos.

I believe his point is/was that just because something is make in China, does not necessarily condemn to the product to inferiority, using BW as an example (make in China but with proper (hopefully) QC procedures).

[FlyboyS4]

Do you know the material used for the TTE bearings? Were they bronze?

Your impressions of the TTE550 vs the tial 605's, as far as performance characteristics?
I only ask this b/c I had a 605 car, I have that as a personal point of reference. I'm not comparing or considering 605s right now.

I did not disassemble them. Contact Simon at TTE, he was very good about responding to questions I had.

The 550 is similar to performance of other K04 hybrids like the F21 and SRM's K04.

I had the 605v1, the difference was as expected, quicker spool up from the 550 and more top end from the 605.

[1ScientisT]

I have been running TTE550 turbos on my S4 for two seasons now (maybe 9-10k miles). HS Tuning in Westlake, OH is the TTE dealer I used, which is luckily pretty close to where I live. They shipped my worn RS4 K04 turbos out, and the finished TTE550s showed up about 6 weeks later. Rebuild was approximately $1700, and I was out of pocket around $2100 total including shipping. On a stock block/heads/cams, they hit hard around 4k rpm and slowly taper to redline. The car is pretty quick...runs dead even with my friend's blown e39 M5. On a side note, the TTE550s have to be the loudest small frame turbos I've heard. The car sounds absolutely menacing when just casually rowing gears, and I've had more than one potential sparring partner think better of it after cruising next to me. Probably going to be selling mine this winter in favor of 770s.

[Perth_RS4]

I run TTE 550's on my 3 liter cactus sedan. No complaints thus far with the 550's....they absolutely rip.

Do you have a dyno graph or some data on this setup?
I have wondered how these would perform on a 3 liter setup.

[landfill]

I was saying in your OP your worried
about finding quality turbos with ball bearing chra’s. The top ball bearing choice for the 2.7t is tial 770’s. The tial turbos and even Garrett kits have nowhere near the proven dyno and track results compared to the TTE cars from across the pond. If you want the best of the best in twin configuration for the 2.7t then TTE is where you want to spend your money.

They are the best turbo option we have currently imo. Just listening to the TTE cars is mind blowing.

[FlyboyS4]

I was saying in your OP your worried
about finding quality turbos with ball bearing chra’s. The top ball bearing choice for the 2.7t is tial 770’s. The tial turbos and even Garrett kits have nowhere near the proven dyno and track results compared to the TTE cars from across the pond. If you want the best of the best in twin configuration for the 2.7t then TTE is where you want to spend your money.

They are the best turbo option we have currently imo. Just listening to the TTE cars is mind blowing.

Asserting that TTE sells a higher quality turbo than Garrett is a stretch.

[csobel]

And here I was thinking that being one of the most respected makers of turbos didn’t really count as a “track record”.

[RS6Tuner]

IMO just because they outsourced the hard and expensive machine work doesn't mean that they still aren't quality products. A 5 axis mill. which is what is required for a turbine wheel, is not a cheap thing to get into. Im sure they still designed and just had some cheaper company cut them. 6065 aluminum (or what they use) is the same across the board.

From the way it sounds they have a pretty stringent quality control and not to mention they still balance everything that leaves there company.

As for the higher price point, I agree. It all depends on if its worth it to you.


Hi

We have a 5 axis, and two 4 axis CNC mills, also CNC lathes in-house that are in constant work. Making compressor wheels right now makes no business sense for us or many when there are companies out there that do nothing else but make compressors and yes many of our wheels are custom to our design and only avalible to us. We still use BorgWarner compressors in some turbos stages as well as other names too.

Our RS4/S4 turbos are more expensive to some others based on non-genuine rs4/rs6 turbos, yes but really its all to do with producing turbos of what we consider higher quality than many and using many far more expensive original BWTS parts. As an example: TTE550 is a set of Genuine RS4 K04 then reworked using a Genuine BWTS K04 RS6 shaft and genuine BWTS motorsport bearing pack and the billet compressors. Gen RS4 K04 are expensive even to us, prices do change all the time at wholesale due to being a low demand speclist turbocharger but TTE prices remain stable. Geuniue RS6 parts are even more expensive again due to is a pretty low demand product. We do wait months sometimes for stock as are mostly on backorder.

TTE600 is a set of Genuine RS4 turbos and Genuine RS6 K04 turbine housings. We use the RS4 compressor housings and RS4 bearing housings & BWTS Motorsport Bearing pack and combine with the RS6 turbine housings and RS6 turbine wheels and use Billet compressors.

We were using BWTS cast compressors before on these two stages but did switch to the billet of near exact same geometry and size for a few positive reasons: supply, price, billet. The average performance did increase and no faulire or quality issues to date.

Only the individual can decide said depending on your budget and if you think the price point is worth the money for a set of TTE.

NEWS UPDATE

Philipp in his RS4LIMO TTE1200 (1232PS 1297Nm)

Managed to set we think a world record 1/2 mile pull at the RACE1000 event in Germany for the B5 platform this weekend with a speed of 318.58 KMH (197.95 MPH) in only 5th gear and managed a PB record 200-300kmh time of 6.09sec (pbox) maybe a world record? I did speak with USP owner on the 1/2 mile and Chris feels this is fastest shared. This was the cars first run and shakedown for 1/2 mile event. More to come and hopfully goes faster this year.

http://i1158.photobucket.com/albums/p613/TheTurboEngineers/32384027_2125032034178493_1090999664020291584_o_zp sfrkby5qw.jpg (http://s1158.photobucket.com/user/TheTurboEngineers/media/32384027_2125032034178493_1090999664020291584_o_zp sfrkby5qw.jpg.html)
http://i1158.photobucket.com/albums/p613/TheTurboEngineers/32323126_2125032224178474_1289771145616162816_o_zp sve8hfyhx.jpg (http://s1158.photobucket.com/user/TheTurboEngineers/media/32323126_2125032224178474_1289771145616162816_o_zp sve8hfyhx.jpg.html)


Few videos

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2b7JwnRSEF8

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0LZWEo9Jycc

Regards Simon@TTE

[VR6Bomber]

Hi

We have a 5 axis, and two 4 axis CNC mills, also CNC lathes in-house that are in constant work. Making compressor wheels right now makes no business sense for us or many when there are companies out there that do nothing else but make compressors and yes many of our wheels are custom to our design and only avalible to us. We still use BorgWarner compressors in some turbos stages as well as other names too.

Our RS4/S4 turbos are more expensive to some others based on non-genuine rs4/rs6 turbos, yes but really its all to do with producing turbos of what we consider higher quality than many and using many far more expensive original BWTS parts. As an example: TTE550 is a set of Genuine RS4 K04 then reworked using a Genuine BWTS K04 RS6 shaft and genuine BWTS motorsport bearing pack and the billet compressors. Gen RS4 K04 are expensive even to us, prices do change all the time at wholesale due to being a low demand speclist turbocharger but TTE prices remain stable. Geuniue RS6 parts are even more expensive again due to is a pretty low demand product. We do wait months sometimes for stock as are mostly on backorder.

TTE600 is a set of Genuine RS4 turbos and Genuine RS6 K04 turbine housings. We use the RS4 compressor housings and RS4 bearing housings & BWTS Motorsport Bearing pack and combine with the RS6 turbine housings and RS6 turbine wheels and use Billet compressors.

We were using BWTS cast compressors before on these two stages but did switch to the billet of near exact same geometry and size for a few positive reasons: supply, price, billet. The average performance did increase and no faulire or quality issues to date.

Only the individual can decide said depending on your budget and if you think the price point is worth the money for a set of TTE.

NEWS UPDATE

Philipp in his RS4LIMO TTE1200 (1232PS 1297Nm)

Managed to set we think a world record 1/2 mile pull at the RACE1000 event in Germany for the B5 platform this weekend with a speed of 318.58 KMH (197.95 MPH) in only 5th gear and managed a PB record 200-300kmh time of 6.09sec (pbox) maybe a world record? I did speak with USP owner on the 1/2 mile and Chris feels this is fastest shared. This was the cars first run and shakedown for 1/2 mile event. More to come and hopfully goes faster this year.

http://i1158.photobucket.com/albums/p613/TheTurboEngineers/32384027_2125032034178493_1090999664020291584_o_zp sfrkby5qw.jpg (http://s1158.photobucket.com/user/TheTurboEngineers/media/32384027_2125032034178493_1090999664020291584_o_zp sfrkby5qw.jpg.html)
http://i1158.photobucket.com/albums/p613/TheTurboEngineers/32323126_2125032224178474_1289771145616162816_o_zp sve8hfyhx.jpg (http://s1158.photobucket.com/user/TheTurboEngineers/media/32323126_2125032224178474_1289771145616162816_o_zp sve8hfyhx.jpg.html)


Few videos

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2b7JwnRSEF8

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0LZWEo9Jycc

Regards Simon@TTE
Thanks for stopping by with this info!
pm'd you

[projectvoltron]

Hi

We have a 5 axis, and two 4 axis CNC mills, also CNC lathes in-house that are in constant work. Making compressor wheels right now makes no business sense for us or many when there are companies out there that do nothing else but make compressors and yes many of our wheels are custom to our design and only avalible to us. We still use BorgWarner compressors in some turbos stages as well as other names too.

Our RS4/S4 turbos are more expensive to some others based on non-genuine rs4/rs6 turbos, yes but really its all to do with producing turbos of what we consider higher quality than many and using many far more expensive original BWTS parts. As an example: TTE550 is a set of Genuine RS4 K04 then reworked using a Genuine BWTS K04 RS6 shaft and genuine BWTS motorsport bearing pack and the billet compressors. Gen RS4 K04 are expensive even to us, prices do change all the time at wholesale due to being a low demand speclist turbocharger but TTE prices remain stable. Geuniue RS6 parts are even more expensive again due to is a pretty low demand product. We do wait months sometimes for stock as are mostly on backorder.

TTE600 is a set of Genuine RS4 turbos and Genuine RS6 K04 turbine housings. We use the RS4 compressor housings and RS4 bearing housings & BWTS Motorsport Bearing pack and combine with the RS6 turbine housings and RS6 turbine wheels and use Billet compressors.

We were using BWTS cast compressors before on these two stages but did switch to the billet of near exact same geometry and size for a few positive reasons: supply, price, billet. The average performance did increase and no faulire or quality issues to date.

Only the individual can decide said depending on your budget and if you think the price point is worth the money for a set of TTE.

NEWS UPDATE

Philipp in his RS4LIMO TTE1200 (1232PS 1297Nm)

Managed to set we think a world record 1/2 mile pull at the RACE1000 event in Germany for the B5 platform this weekend with a speed of 318.58 KMH (197.95 MPH) in only 5th gear and managed a PB record 200-300kmh time of 6.09sec (pbox) maybe a world record? I did speak with USP owner on the 1/2 mile and Chris feels this is fastest shared. This was the cars first run and shakedown for 1/2 mile event. More to come and hopfully goes faster this year.

http://i1158.photobucket.com/albums/p613/TheTurboEngineers/32384027_2125032034178493_1090999664020291584_o_zp sfrkby5qw.jpg (http://s1158.photobucket.com/user/TheTurboEngineers/media/32384027_2125032034178493_1090999664020291584_o_zp sfrkby5qw.jpg.html)
http://i1158.photobucket.com/albums/p613/TheTurboEngineers/32323126_2125032224178474_1289771145616162816_o_zp sve8hfyhx.jpg (http://s1158.photobucket.com/user/TheTurboEngineers/media/32323126_2125032224178474_1289771145616162816_o_zp sve8hfyhx.jpg.html)


Few videos

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2b7JwnRSEF8

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0LZWEo9Jycc

Regards Simon@TTE

Thank you for chiming in!

I have been seeing those videos all over Facebook

Seems like a wild ride.

Congrats on the new records!

When it comes time for me to be upgrading turbos on my b6 2.7 swap I will for sure be hitting you guys up. As far as quality is concerned you are the benchmark and I only like to use quality stuff. "do it nice, or do it twice" is a good motto to live by when upgrading audis.

[christianb5s4]

Love it, I'm always so impressed with Philipp's dedication to this platform and it shows with results like this. His car is goals for many of us.

[RS6Tuner]

I made an error as Philipp placed 2nd in class [up]


http://i1158.photobucket.com/albums/p613/TheTurboEngineers/CLASS%201_zpsiaihjkcj.jpg (http://s1158.photobucket.com/user/TheTurboEngineers/media/CLASS%201_zpsiaihjkcj.jpg.html)

[S4James]

The stuff you need to do to get this little motor up to 1200 hp boggles the mind....

[VR6Bomber]

The stuff you need to do to get this little motor up to 1200 hp boggles the mind....
Impressive? Absolutely!
I just don't think that its really feasible to make that power with the 2.7 platform.
I'd put my money towards a 07k swap it if I was doing a higher HP (700+) project.
The stuff that Iroz is doing with that motor is super-wow.

[projectvoltron]

The stuff you need to do to get this little motor up to 1200 hp boggles the mind....

Yeah I agree.


Impressive? Absolutely!
I just don't think that its really feasible to make that power with the 2.7 platform.
I'd put my money towards a 07k swap it if I was doing a higher HP (700+) project.
The stuff that Iroz is doing with that motor is super-wow.

I also agree with you. Up to 700-800hp the 2.7 is a pretty impressive motor. After that the 07k is the way to go. It is such an incredible platform.

[Zba]

While I love the 07K and VR swaps, I think you guys are crazy for saying switch to a different engine to make power.

[VR6Bomber]

While I love the 07K and VR swaps, I think you guys are crazy for saying switch to a different engine to make power.

Calling it unfeasible? The car makes the power! How is that unfeasible!?

Feasible is the ability to do something easily or conveniently.
Its fairly established that the the 2.7 isn't the best platform for reliable high hp goals. There are more robust alternatives, VR and 07k being the most current.
Things get dicey when you push the 2.7 block towards the 700-1000hp mark, can it be done? Well yes, it certainly can.
Do other platforms do it better, more reliably, for less $$, yes.
I do love the 2.7, but it has its limitations.
It just won't ever be known as a 'legendary' bottom-end as the vw 5cyl is becoming known for or the audi 3b/AAN 5cyl's previous to it.

Side note: I put a GT3071R on a bone stock 200k mile 5cyl AAN @ 30 PSI, and that 20yrs old motor still made very good compression numbers at nearly twice stock output. I wouldn't consider doing the same on a stock 200k mile 2.7.


Edit:
Sorry for getting way off the original TTE topic.


It's going to be TTE600's for my current build project. Should be a good couple weeks out, but sometime this summer (I hope) I'll include pics, info and results..

[projectvoltron]

The stuff you need to do to get this little motor up to 1200 hp boggles the mind....


Feasible is the ability to do something easily or conveniently.
Its fairly established that the the 2.7 isn't the best platform for reliable high hp goals. There are more robust alternatives, VR and 07k being the most current.
Things get dicey when you push the 2.7 block towards the 700-1000hp mark, can it be done? Well yes, it certainly can.
Do other platforms do it better, more reliably, for less $$, yes.
I do love the 2.7, but it has its limitations.
It just won't ever be known as a 'legendary' bottom-end as the vw 5cyl is becoming known for or the audi 3b/AAN 5cyl's previous to it.

Side note: I put a GT3071R on a bone stock 200k mile 5cyl AAN @ 30 PSI, and that 20yrs old motor still made very good compression numbers at nearly twice stock output. I wouldn't consider doing the same on a stock 200k mile 2.7.


Edit:
Sorry for getting way off the original TTE topic.


It's going to be TTE600's for my current build project. Should be a good couple weeks out, but sometime this summer (I hope) I'll include pics, info and results..

My thoughts exactly

Also I look forward to seeing your progress

[Zba]

Feasible is the ability to do something easily or conveniently.
Its fairly established that the the 2.7 isn't the best platform for reliable high hp goals. There are more robust alternatives, VR and 07k being the most current.
Things get dicey when you push the 2.7 block towards the 700-1000hp mark, can it be done? Well yes, it certainly can.
Do other platforms do it better, more reliably, for less $$, yes.
I do love the 2.7, but it has its limitations.
It just won't ever be known as a 'legendary' bottom-end as the vw 5cyl is becoming known for or the audi 3b/AAN 5cyl's previous to it.

Side note: I put a GT3071R on a bone stock 200k mile 5cyl AAN @ 30 PSI, and that 20yrs old motor still made very good compression numbers at nearly twice stock output. I wouldn't consider doing the same on a stock 200k mile 2.7.


Edit:
Sorry for getting way off the original TTE topic.




It's going to be TTE600's for my current build project. Should be a good couple weeks out, but sometime this summer (I hope) I'll include pics, info and results..

I realized my error and edited my post.

[FlyboyS4]

It's going to be TTE600's for my current build project. Should be a good couple weeks out, but sometime this summer (I hope) I'll include pics, info and results..

I'd use the 780 over the 600 if you are building the engine.

[S4James]

agree.. the 600 isnt much of a turbo for all that work.

[ChanceA4Parks]

I went with the TTE600s for a current 2.7t swap. I ordered them about 4 weeks ago from USP. They said 4 -5 weeks, but I have a feeling it will take longer. Not a big deal because I'm still building the engine. Simon at Turbo Engineers has been pretty helpful with letting me know what supporting mods would be the most beneficial. I'm building the motor for 600hp+ and was told these turbos should get me there pretty easily and reliably. Only time will tell. Supporting mods that were discussed through a few emails were:

-Pistons with a 9.0:1 cc
-044 Fuel pump
-Stock manifold is ok
-K04 RS4 inlets original or THE-TUNER
-Deka 630cc long or EV14
-Porting your inlet tracts in the head and matching the inlet manifold
-valves and springs would be a good idea
-Wagner side mount IC
-De-cat 3” dp

[RS6Tuner]

I went with the TTE600s for a current 2.7t swap. I ordered them about 4 weeks ago from USP. They said 4 -5 weeks, but I have a feeling it will take longer. Not a big deal because I'm still building the engine. Simon at Turbo Engineers has been pretty helpful with letting me know what supporting mods would be the most beneficial. I'm building the motor for 600hp+ and was told these turbos should get me there pretty easily and reliably. Only time will tell. Supporting mods that were discussed through a few emails were:

-Pistons with a 9.0:1 cc
-044 Fuel pump
-Stock manifold is ok
-K04 RS4 inlets original or THE-TUNER
-Deka 630cc long or EV14
-Porting your inlet tracts in the head and matching the inlet manifold
-valves and springs would be a good idea
-Wagner side mount IC
-De-cat 3” dp

yeah, we are on back order with BorgWarner for the RS6 exhaust housings so is a delay right now. I Apologise for any inconvenience if are late

Turbo cores and cold sides are built up just waiting on the housings landing anytime.

TTE600 rip past 600ps crank quite reliably and even up to 650+ on some.

If budget allows TTE780 are a good option for 600 crank and with no downsides apart from cost of units and extra hardware needed for

[RS6Tuner]

Impressive? Absolutely!
I just don't think that its really feasible to make that power with the 2.7 platform.


It's not and I never advise anyone goes for it but there are guys out there wanting this performance as I get emails all the time. This car is a one-off crazy project with an endless budget and a progression over many years and failures.

TTE1200 are available at a cost of 6999.00 euro inc vat (5669.19 euro to USA) BIG money some will say but really its small change to the cash needed for a build they require.


My honest belief as an RS4 B5 owner for near a decade is 500-600 is the sweet spot. More is very costly and the fun factor starts to lean after... Only my personal opinion

[VR6Bomber]

I realized my error and edited my post.[up][up][:)]

- - - Updated - - -


I'd use the 780 over the 600 if you are building the engine.
^I'd like to know more.

Even though it will be built, I don't want to come even close to the limits of the bottom end (lessons learned from younger, stupider, times lol)

[projectvoltron]

My honest belief as an RS4 B5 owner for near a decade is 500-600 is the sweet spot. More is very costly and the fun factor starts to lean after... Only my personal opinion


You're not the first person to say this. From what I have been reading and have read, this does seem like the sweet spot for the 2.7 platform.

I am getting ready to start a minor block build just so I can be in the 500-600whp range and have a fun car to drive. Since they just stopped offering e85 in my area I would like to accomplish this power goal off of pump 91 with room to grow with either water/meth or if we get e85 back.

500-600whp is all I will be looking for.

Would you suggest the tte550 or the tte600 for this power goal

[Drehmoment]

You will never make 500 to 600 whp on pump with 550/600’s, you need 780’s with a lot of supporting mods for that goal, no ifs or but.

E85 is race gas never forget......for example K24’s are a absolute dog on pump with very high EGT’s if you push them, no matter what some SRM jock rider tells you or “proves” with some carefully massaged logs

[ChanceA4Parks]

Alright, I called USP and paid the difference for the 780s. Hopefully they aren't delayed. My Pauter rods will hopefully be in at the end of the week and that's all thats holding me back from starting the assembly. I've got everything else and I'm starting to get pretty excited. Here is a list of my collection of supporting mods. Anyone have a clue what I could safely push the build to or changes to the build?

-Full RS4 intake system
-2.8 heads
-034 air intake
-034 fuel rail
-fuel surge tank with 044 pump
-ASP exhaust mani
-SRM turbo intake
-SRM bi pipes 54mm
-snow performance stage 3 methanol
-supertech valves and springs
-pauter rods
-JE pistons 81.5mm bored w/9.0:1 cc
-awe smic
-bosch ev15 630cc
-lots of 034 hoses and a few deletes
-Borla 2.5" catback (was on car originally)
-SSAC Downpipe for Hybrid RS6 (might not work with new TTE780s)
-new turbo oil lines


Im sure theres more, and I'll update the list as I remember it.



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[VR6Bomber]

Alright, I called USP and paid the difference for the 780s. Hopefully they aren't delayed. My Pauter rods will hopefully be in at the end of the week and that's all thats holding me back from starting the assembly. I've got everything else and I'm starting to get pretty excited. Here is a list of my collection of supporting mods. Anyone have a clue what I could safely push the build to or changes to the build?

-Full RS4 intake system
-2.8 heads
-034 air intake
-034 fuel rail
-fuel surge tank with 044 pump
-ASP exhaust mani
-SRM turbo intake
-SRM bi pipes 54mm
-snow performance stage 3 methanol
-supertech valves and springs
-pauter rods
-JE pistons 81.5mm bored w/9.0:1 cc
-awe smic
-bosch ev15 630cc
-lots of 034 hoses and a few deletes
-Borla 2.5" catback (was on car originally)
-SSAC Downpipe for Hybrid RS6 (might not work with new TTE780s)
-new turbo oil lines


Im sure theres more, and I'll update the list as I remember it.



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that's (1) 044 pump?

[Drehmoment]

Alright, I called USP and paid the difference for the 780s. Hopefully they aren't delayed. My Pauter rods will hopefully be in at the end of the week and that's all thats holding me back from starting the assembly. I've got everything else and I'm starting to get pretty excited. Here is a list of my collection of supporting mods. Anyone have a clue what I could safely push the build to or changes to the build?

-Full RS4 intake system
-2.8 heads
-034 air intake
-034 fuel rail
-fuel surge tank with 044 pump
-ASP exhaust mani
-SRM turbo intake
-SRM bi pipes 54mm
-snow performance stage 3 methanol
-supertech valves and springs
-pauter rods
-JE pistons 81.5mm bored w/9.0:1 cc
-awe smic
-bosch ev15 630cc
-lots of 034 hoses and a few deletes
-Borla 2.5" catback (was on car originally)
-SSAC Downpipe for Hybrid RS6 (might not work with new TTE780s)
-new turbo oil lines


Im sure theres more, and I'll update the list as I remember it.



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It appears this is not a budget build,

Skip the o44 and consider this https://www.facebook.com/thetunercom/photos/a.520186424761387.1073741838.463958107050886/1641869162593102/?type=3&theater or similar.

You need way more injector for your goals

Dump the Borla

You NEED, I repeat you NEED steel mains with a line bore, absolute crucial for longevity in the weak S4 block.

Eventually you will be held back by the puny stock manifolds with EGT's on sustained runs running way to high, solution is this http://www.the-tuner.com/de/produkt/s4-rs4-kruemmer or build your own but please no "Weisser Hund" Racing manifolds.

Naturally all that is $$$$$ but if you want to do it right the above is a must.

[landfill]

@flyboy I wasn’t saying Garrett aren’t as good as TTE overall. I was just saying as far as the 2.7t platform TTE has yielded the best proven performance.

@vr6bomber you’re over on MG so you’re familiar with the OG 5 bangers.
I also slapped on a bigger turbo to a 250k mile aan and it still had good compression and leak down at 300k.
To me they’re bulletproof.

[ChanceA4Parks]

I was told that a single 044 would be sufficient for the original build. Now that its changed a little, a second one might not be out of the question if its needed.

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[ChanceA4Parks]

It appears this is not a budget build,

Skip the o44 and consider this https://www.facebook.com/thetunercom/photos/a.520186424761387.1073741838.463958107050886/1641869162593102/?type=3&theater or similar.

You need way more injector for your goals

Dump the Borla

You NEED, I repeat you NEED steel mains with a line bore, absolute crucial for longevity in the weak S4 block.

Eventually you will be held back by the puny stock manifolds with EGT's on sustained runs running way to high, solution is this http://www.the-tuner.com/de/produkt/s4-rs4-kruemmer or build your own but please no "Weisser Hund" Racing manifolds.

Naturally all that is $$$$$ but if you want to do it right the above is a must.This build actually started out as a basic drop in motor swap into a B7 A4. It has snowballed into this craziness. I can't use the same pumps as the B5 S4 because of the difference in chassis. I've been trying to figure out the best way to get enough fuel to the motor from the weaker a4 pumps. That's when I was told about fuel sumps and 044s. I will get bigger injectors. How much bigger though? Also, what do you mean by steel mains, I'm assuming con rods, but I'd rather be clear.

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[christianb5s4]

My honest belief as an RS4 B5 owner for near a decade is 500-600 is the sweet spot. More is very costly and the fun factor starts to lean after... Only my personal opinion


You're not the first person to say this. From what I have been reading and have read, this does seem like the sweet spot for the 2.7 platform.


I agree on that being the sweet spot. There are some outliers that make more than that and have had a reasonably reliable car, but those are the outliers. A very well built 550-600whp B5 S4/RS4 is a fast car and the car will together so you can actually go and enjoy it rather than have it be having frequent issues.

That said, I have big respect for those who really push the envelope on this platform. Just depends on the cost vs. benefit and which way you are willing to invest.

[Drehmoment]

Billet main bearing caps

https://www.facebook.com/thetunercom/photos/pcb.1477245042388849/1477234219056598/?type=3&theater

Eurospec might have them too.

[VR6Bomber]

@vr6bomber you’re over on MG so you’re familiar with the OG 5 bangers.
I also slapped on a bigger turbo to a 250k mile aan and it still had good compression and leak down at 300k.
To me they’re bulletproof.

Those motors are truly unbelievable no doubt.

Yea, I bounce back and forth between AZ if I'm working on a B5 or MG when I'm feeling more 5cyl-ie, lol. Sounds like you too?

[VR6Bomber]

Billet main bearing caps

https://www.facebook.com/thetunercom/photos/pcb.1477245042388849/1477234219056598/?type=3&theater

Eurospec might have them too.
I never used them, anyone else?

[S4James]

dunno how they would help prevent the block from cracking the webbing.

[landfill]

I think all the monster builds are running billet mains with a line hone of the block as drehmoment said previously also possibly a girdle tying them together.

Also the trend seems to be to skip a bel block and only start with an AZR or ASJ code block.

[ChanceA4Parks]

Of course mine is a APB coded engine

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[projectvoltron]

You will never make 500 to 600 whp on pump with 550/600’s, you need 780’s with a lot of supporting mods for that goal, no ifs or but.

E85 is race gas never forget......for example K24’s are a absolute dog on pump with very high EGT’s if you push them, no matter what some SRM jock rider tells you or “proves” with some carefully massaged logs

I guess my post was kind of off putting.

I am wanting this off of pump 91 with water/meth. Then e85 in the future when and if we get it back in our valley

I don't think low 500whp is too out of the question on 91 with meth

I'm fully aware e85 is race fuel. This will be the 4th car i've built to run e85. I don't drive it much as I have a work truck. I may just buy it by the barrel

[S4James]

..for example K24’s are a absolute dog on pump with very high EGT’s if you push them, no matter what some SRM jock rider tells you or “proves” with some carefully massaged logs

Nonsense. I pull 2.75 FATS on pump gas and make over 500whp.

If you are suggesting that data is falsified I definitely take issue. nothing massaged here: https://www.audizine.com/forum/showthread.php/765894-K24-spoolup-profile/page4

[projectvoltron]

Nonsense. I pull 2.75 FATS on pump gas and make over 500whp.

If you are suggesting that data is falsified I definitely take issue. nothing massaged here: https://www.audizine.com/forum/showthread.php/765894-K24-spoolup-profile/page4

I read that entire thread earlier today. Pretty impressive! At least you guys get 94 octane

[S4James]

The US 93 octane is way better. Much higher energy density. Our 94 cheats with a bunch of ethanol.

[christianb5s4]

The US 93 octane is way better. Much higher energy density. Our 94 cheats with a bunch of ethanol.

You guys are lucky. K24s on just 91 (no methanol injection) are no slouch but feel lazy compared to being on E85.

[FlyboyS4]

@flyboy I wasn’t saying Garrett aren’t as good as TTE overall. I was just saying as far as the 2.7t platform TTE has yielded the best proven performance.

By proven performance are you referring to peak hp numbers? What specific models are you comparing?


I agree on that being the sweet spot. There are some outliers that make more than that and have had a reasonably reliable car, but those are the outliers. A very well built 550-600whp B5 S4/RS4 is a fast car and the car will together so you can actually go and enjoy it rather than have it be having frequent issues.

I disagree, approaching 500 whp and beyond trades off too much. In the ballpark of 400 whp is a better street car on U.S. roads.

[S4James]

That's entirely subjective. Ive done the 400whp street car for the better part of 10 years.... The 500+whp street car is just a different flavor of fun.

[slvrbulet]

That's entirely subjective. Ive done the 400whp street car for the better part of 10 years.... The 500+whp street car is just a different flavor of fun.

I agree, its all about what your looking for/ goals are. that being said would i daily a 600hp car.... probably not but i will not say that it wouldnt be fun. [drive]

[VR6Bomber]

I disagree, approaching 500 whp and beyond trades off too much. In the ballpark of 400 whp is a better street car on U.S. roads.
^Well, That certainly depends on a lot of factors..

Being an owner of 300, 400 and 500whp cars I have to say the 500 will definitely run out of road quick but:
http://www.motorgeek.com/gallery/main.php?g2_view=core.DownloadItem&g2_itemId=113000&g2_GALLERYSID=5d006a351593891fb8aa71e93b0b4415



Of course mine is a APB coded engine
I wouldn't worry about that, or worry about steel main caps either for a 500whp/600chp motor.

[S4James]

Well, That certainly depends on a lot of factors..
Being the owner of 300, 400 and 500whp cars I have to say the 500 definitely ran out of road quick but:
http://www.motorgeek.com/gallery/main.php?g2_view=core.DownloadItem&g2_itemId=113000&g2_GALLERYSID=5d006a351593891fb8aa71e93b0b4415



I wouldn't worry about that, or worry about steel main caps either for a 500whp/600chp motor.


LOL.. Yup. Racing supercars to the end of 6th gear is now a thing. Great fun.

[landfill]

MAZ is your eBay aan manifold you have for sale t3 or kkk flange. I’m interested....

[VR6Bomber]

MAZ is your eBay aan manifold you have for sale t3 or kkk flange. I’m interested....
Cool dude. It's been sitting in my garage for 10 yrs, lol.
Never used.
I'm near certain that it is kkk. Let me double check the flange.

[projectvoltron]

That's entirely subjective. Ive done the 400whp street car for the better part of 10 years.... The 500+whp street car is just a different flavor of fun.

This.

I have had multiple 300 whp, 350whp, 420whp cars. The 420whp was a load of fun. But like most cars got a little bit boring after a while.

[VR6Bomber]

This.

I have had multiple 300 whp, 350whp, 420whp cars. The 420whp was a load of fun. But like most cars got a little bit boring after a while.

If I lived in Colorado I would tune my car to 420whp too, mr. funny man.[:p]

[projectvoltron]

If I lived in Colorado I would tune my car to 420whp too, mr. funny man.[:p]

No pun intended lol

[slvrbulet]

No pun intended lol

Hahaha I didn't catch that at first lmao that's great [>_<]

[ChanceA4Parks]

I wouldn't worry about that, or worry about steel main caps either for a 500whp/600chp motor.[/QUOTE]

Thanks for the info. I have been reading that the stock mains were pretty strong. Is it the rods that are the weaker link?



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[Drehmoment]

I wouldn't worry about that, or worry about steel main caps either for a 500whp/600chp motor.

Thanks for the info. I have been reading that the stock mains were pretty strong. Is it the rods that are the weaker link?



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780's done right will crack your block......unless you are only running them at 80% potential..........you will learn.....the hard and $$$ way.

[FlyboyS4]

780's done right will crack your block......unless you are only running them at 80% potential..........you will learn.....the hard and $$$ way.

What's needed to have a build 'done right' with the 780's?

[VR6Bomber]

Thanks for the info. I have been reading that the stock mains were pretty strong. Is it the rods that are the weaker link?
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Rods aren't a 'weak link', they are a supporting mod



780's done right will crack your block......unless you are only running them at 80% potential..........you will learn.....the hard and $$$ way.
I'd like to see some more info on this. Sounds like you had a failure or know of one?
If this was a common issue, I think there would be more information on this topic considering the age of the platform at this point?
Certainly a worn out cap or cap reinstalled improperly could make something bad happen, but that's true for any part of the motor I guess..

I do know of at least 2 shop-owner 'no expense spared' 770 builds where the stock caps were used.

[projectvoltron]

Thanks for the info. I have been reading that the stock mains were pretty strong. Is it the rods that are the weaker link?



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Stock rods are the weak link of a stock block. They should probably be the first thing upgraded if you're looking for more than 475wtq. There are plenty of car making 500+ whp on stock block with the torque curve tuned to be later and more liniar

[VR6Bomber]

Ordered a set of the TTE600's today from USP. Should be a few weeks. I'll post some pics when they are received.

[RS6Tuner]

if you can afford id honestly go TTE780+ there just are no downside really but offer great power advantage and can give better driverbilty over TTE600 with more torque in lower RPM


Good example is below:

Boost log kindly shared by Kemal Mocke

Direct comparison of a rs4 b5 2.7 (9.0-1 CR) on stock RS6 turbos vs TTE780

Same engine, same road, same near conditions and same fuel.

As you see it backs up my telling all spool is great and not laggy at all. Reinforces why we dropped TTE700..


http://i1158.photobucket.com/albums/p613/TheTurboEngineers/TTE780%20Vs%20RS6%20OEM_zpsyaurverv.jpg (http://s1158.photobucket.com/user/TheTurboEngineers/media/TTE780%20Vs%20RS6%20OEM_zpsyaurverv.jpg.html)

[VR6Bomber]

What inlets are the best to use with the TTE's?

[FlyboyS4]

As you see it backs up my telling all spool is great and not laggy at all. Reinforces why we dropped TTE700..

Looks to be on par with the RS6/K24 (JB & BB). Both which in my opinion have more lag than K04's.

http://www.myaudis4.com/wp-content/uploads/turbo_boost_onset.png

[ChanceA4Parks]

Just received my TTE780+ turbos last week. Now to get this block and heads completed6874368744

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[ChanceA4Parks]

Ordered a set of the TTE600's today from USP. Should be a few weeks. I'll post some pics when they are received.I could be wrong, but it will probably take you longer than a few weeks to get your turbos after talking to Turbo Engineers. I waited for 4-5 weeks for the 600s before I changed my order, because no one was sure of when TE would receive parts. I ended up ordering a pair he had already built and had custom heat plated. They were not cheap ($5700 to be exact)!!! Hopefully it does work out for you, but USP really doesn't know when they will ship. Shoot TE a message on Facebook for a faster response. Simon will most likely be the one getting back to you and he is awesome and extremely helpful.

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[VR6Bomber]

I could be wrong, but it will probably take you longer than a few weeks to get your turbos after talking to Turbo Engineers. I waited for 4-5 weeks for the 600s before I changed my order, because no one was sure of when TE would receive parts. I ended up ordering a pair he had already built and had custom heat plated. They were not cheap ($5700 to be exact)!!! Hopefully it does work out for you, but USP really doesn't know when they will ship. Shoot TE a message on Facebook for a faster response. Simon will most likely be the one getting back to you and he is awesome and extremely helpful.

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I think that I'm going to change up my order too and do the 780s based on information ive received on their low end performance over the 600s. Not going to be spending 5700 though, lol. I think the 780s are $4900 no?

Niiice pics btw!!!

[RS6Tuner]

What inlets are the best to use with the TTE's?

TTE550, 600 use K04 rs4 inlets. I recommend original audi rs4 inlets or THE-Tuner oversize for greater gains in performance great fit also.

TTE780+ use THE-Tuners inlets and wise to use there manifolds too. http://www.the-tuner.com/en/produkt/s4-rs4-kruemmer

http://www.the-tuner.com/en/produkt/s-rs4-frischluftrohre

[VR6Bomber]

TTE550, 600 use K04 rs4 inlets. I recommend original audi rs4 inlets or THE-Tuner oversize for greater gains in performance great fit also.

TTE780+ use THE-Tuners inlets and wise to use there manifolds too. http://www.the-tuner.com/en/produkt/s4-rs4-kruemmer

http://www.the-tuner.com/en/produkt/s-rs4-frischluftrohre
Have to use the THETuner inlets with 780s..?
I'll be staying with the 600s then.
I can't allow myself to spend 800usd on inlets yikes!

[RS6Tuner]

Have to use the THETuner inlets with 780s..?
I'll be staying with the 600s then.
I can't allow myself to spend 800usd on inlets yikes!

You dont have to use but there recommended as are bigger diameter tubing. TTE780 have a bigger compressor and inlet size than stock size rs4/rs6 inlets (TTE600)

Would make no sense to buy TTE780 and restrict the power potential and response due to smaller inlets being used.

[Mocke]

Have to use the THETuner inlets with 780s..?
I'll be staying with the 600s then.
I can't allow myself to spend 800usd on inlets yikes!

You will regret not going 780s now when you have a chance. You can use any 58mm inlets with silicon hose if needed to comp housing.
If you need any data or have questions about 780s - feel free to contact me.
TTEs are not cheap but they are good quality product and if you get technical issues, you will be taken care of urgently. That’s worth alot.

[FlyboyS4]

Have to use the THETuner inlets with 780s..?
I'll be staying with the 600s then.
I can't allow myself to spend 800usd on inlets yikes!

If you are sticking with the S4 Y-pipe there's likely next to no benefit to using those larger turbo inlet pipes.

I doubt the pressure drop through them is much of a gain over K04 size pipes, especially if the diameter changes.

[VR6Bomber]

Stock oil and water lines work the with the TTE's ?

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[Mocke]

Stock oil and water lines work the with the TTE's ?

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Yes

[ChanceA4Parks]

I picked up some Paragon Performance turbo oil/wastegate lines for my setup. Got them from someone on here.

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[VR6Bomber]

Just received my TTE780+ turbos last week. Now to get this block and heads completed6874368744

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Any updates?
Those 780 compressor wheel inlets are laarge! wow

[ChanceA4Parks]

Yes sir. I finally got my block back from the machine shop. Took a little longer because he accidentally bore the block an extra .5mm and he had to order larger pistons. I have zero issue with this. This is my first engine build and I am taking my time and being extremely OCD with everything and I can only work a few hours a day on it. It's coming though. Here's some new pictures of the motor and the exterior of the car which is what's been worked on resently. I need a set of non s line door blades. I almost feel guilty for posting pictures because it almost feels like porn. https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20180623/de0ac497f19aded33462db07a534055a.jpghttps://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20180623/f9440dfe17abc116ec8ee1c265456e4c.jpghttps://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20180623/89e6f910d39aea3995d4ac7041cb3e0f.jpghttps://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20180623/5554b22249b9f9e7c925f46331666a4c.jpghttps://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20180623/9b8c138819d7355d2db7beb2ef22fd3d.jpghttps://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20180623/49bbfad642acf628862f2e98db303889.jpg

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[VR6Bomber]

^ nice work!
Looking good my man! Can't wait too see more!

I'm still waiting on the TTE600's to arrive. ..........:(

[ChanceA4Parks]

Here's the most recent update.

Watch "First Start Up.......2008 Audi A4 b7 with 2.8t swap TTE780+ Turbos" on YouTube
https://youtu.be/D5zP8q-B87k

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[VR6Bomber]

Here's the most recent update.

Watch "First Start Up.......2008 Audi A4 b7 with 2.8t swap TTE780+ Turbos" on YouTube
https://youtu.be/D5zP8q-B87k

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[drool][drool][drool]
Moar vids please


My TTE600's are still sitting in a box in my office..Soon I hope

[landfill]

@Flyboy the real world performance I’m referring to is the drag strip numbers that TTE has produced and whp figures. No Garrett or Tial full interior b5’s in the 9’s I’m aware of.


@vr6bomber the main webbing cracking problem is well documented and a very real concern when running over 700awtq..

Under that threshold I would only be worried about the rods. There have been documented failures on here. It has also been documented that APB early 2.7 block have the weakest/thinned main webbing. Then there’s later BF 2.7 blocks with stronger main webbing. Then you have azr/asj rs4 block with the strongest & thickest main webbing. Some b5 builders have welded added material in the main webbing area of the block and some just use a girdle. You can do a combination of things. The problem is not the main caps but the actual main webbing in the block itself.

[VR6Bomber]

@vr6bomber the main webbing cracking problem is well documented and a very real concern when running over 700awtq..
700awtq?
So this might be a problem for very very few people..?
Won't be an issue for RS6-based cars.

[FlyboyS4]

@Flyboy the real world performance I’m referring to is the drag strip numbers that TTE has produced and whp figures. No Garrett or Tial full interior b5’s in the 9’s I’m aware of.

I don't equate product quality with drag strip times.

[Drehmoment]

700awtq?
So this might be a problem for very very few people..?
Won't be an issue for RS6-based cars.


Tial 605's have cracked blocks.......performance wise they are certainly in the RS6KO4 territory.

If you ever see a RS4 block next to a S4 block you will realize that the S4 block is nothing but a bean counters exercise, if it would be this unbelievable 9th wonder of the world with just rods why would Quattro GMBH ever commission Cosworth to build a entire new engine for a measly 385 crank HP.

One more time, you push 780's/770's on race gas or E85 to the limit, unless you use steel mains or a girdle, you will destroy the weak S4 block, no ifs or buts

[jaychen]

Fastest v6 2.7 engine in the world is NOT an RS4 2.7 - 9.01/1320.

[landfill]

That argument has been going on for over a decade in the b5 community. In my opinion what better real world data then repeatable 1/4 mile times. People bought 770’s, GT’s, etc. wanting their cars to perform at a certain level but most never trapped better than k04/rs6 turbo’d cars.

To each their own I guess but that’s my personal opinion.

[ChanceA4Parks]

I will purchase an extra block and a girdle and have them on stand by for when I crack the block. I'll push the turbos once everything on the drivetrain is upgraded and I've built myself a roll cage. For now its going to be rolling starts. I got the a/c, intercooler brackets welded, and meth/water kit completed last night and hopefully Ill have her on the ground tonight. I'll post up some more videos and pictures as soon as I canhttps://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20180810/0bafa9bcdd761eb31bb78531f7f4038a.jpghttps://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20180810/685a3ca19007821910d1f3e08ef63bbb.jpg

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[FlyboyS4]

That argument has been going on for over a decade in the b5 community. In my opinion what better real world data then repeatable 1/4 mile times. People bought 770’s, GT’s, etc. wanting their cars to perform at a certain level but most never trapped better than k04/rs6 turbo’d cars.

To each their own I guess but that’s my personal opinion.

I don't recall making the case that the quality of turbochargers is determined by how quickly the car passes down a drag strip. It's a good measure of power production potential, but not quality.

Since there was no answer given to the second question I posed,


By proven performance are you referring to peak hp numbers? What specific models are you comparing?

By just referring to TTE producing fast times, and not a specific product, I assume you are referring to turbochargers that are larger than 770's.

If the argument is that larger turbochargers can produce more power, and TTE sells larger turbochargers than TiAL, then I agree with you, TTE does sell larger turbo options than what are available from TiAL. I was addressing your mention of quality of the products, which now seems was not what you meant to talk about.



I was saying in your OP your worried
about finding quality turbos with ball bearing chra’s. The top ball bearing choice for the 2.7t is tial 770’s. The tial turbos and even Garrett kits have nowhere near the proven dyno and track results compared to the TTE cars from across the pond. If you want the best of the best in twin configuration for the 2.7t then TTE is where you want to spend your money.

They are the best turbo option we have currently imo. Just listening to the TTE cars is mind blowing.

[ChanceA4Parks]

Just an update on the build, "Damn She's Fast. The car kicks my ass every chance it gets when it comes to problems and building, but I am going to win this war. For the first time, I was actually able to get into the throttle tonight. I still have a misfire in one cylinder (can't find the issue yet, o2 I'm sure), I still have a small boost leak somewhere, I'm only running one bar of boost at them moment, I haven't even started playing with the 800cc meth injection kit yet (which is completely installed), and it's already scary fast. As soon as the turbos kick in, it puts you in the back seat. I broke loose in third gear and my arse hole puckered up a little as well as my girlfriend's. I cant wait until shes completely done and the clutch is completely broke in. It is going to be insane.

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[DieselElectric]

I disagree, approaching 500 whp and beyond trades off too much. In the ballpark of 400 whp is a better street car on U.S. roads.

I understand your point entirely. My car was a TON of fun around the 400-450whp mark with f21s on tight back roads. Now, I can't really use the power on the same roads. In the 600+ whp range those same backroads just get downright scary unless I leave a lot of power on the table, which just isn't as much fun when you can't put the pedal to the floor.

But then again, it's still more fun overall.

[CELison]

I understand your point entirely. My car was a TON of fun around the 400-450whp mark with f21s on tight back roads. Now, I can't really use the power on the same roads. In the 600+ whp range those same backroads just get downright scary unless I leave a lot of power on the table, which just isn't as much fun when you can't put the pedal to the floor.

But then again, it's still more fun overall.

x2. They get a full head of steam really fast. It's fun on long open roads, but ripping around town isn't really a thing anymore. For a daily, 400-500whp is perfect.

[ChanceA4Parks]

Here's a quick pull from last nights data logging.

https://youtu.be/wVQRktquGIk

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[VR6Bomber]

Here's a quick pull from last nights data logging.

https://youtu.be/wVQRktquGIk

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NICE

[Gujuhammer]

Any updates? I might be in the market.

[VR6Bomber]

nuttin here.
Motor still coming together, slowly.....

[ChanceA4Parks]

Pulled my motor to just rearrange some hoses, modules, and wiring. Decided to shave as much as I can and move pretty much everything. 108671108672

[VR6Bomber]

600's are on:
https://i.imgur.com/TrD9sP3.jpg
https://imgur.com/AaUK5QA.jpg

[Gujuhammer]

^^^More pictures please.

Read through the whole thread and I'm going this direction. Just need to decide btw the 600's and 780's.

Can't wait to see these projects when they are completed.

[landfill]

Cool stuff. I haven’t had
my hands on any TTE parts
yet.

@vr6bomber are you
completely out of the classic
5 cylinder game or do you
still have one lingering around?

[ChanceA4Parks]

I love and miss my 780s. I hate driving my other vehicles now (both Toyotas). Chiseling away at it though and will hopefully be up and running in the next month or so. We'll see. 108794108795

[VR6Bomber]

Cool stuff. I haven’t had
my hands on any TTE parts
yet.

@vr6bomber are you
completely out of the classic
5 cylinder game or do you
still have one lingering around?
I wish, I sold my last AAN 90TQ (originally Alex europrice's car before mine) to Isaam.




^^^More pictures please.

Read through the whole thread and I'm going this direction. Just need to decide btw the 600's and 780's.

Can't wait to see these projects when they are completed.

IMO 600 vs 780's is a jump is supporting mods. Think 605's vs 770s.

I chose 600s for my project because I wanted a 500whp weekend cruiser and keep a factory appearance in the engine bay. noracecar
I wanted to retain reliability and drive-ability and not have to have a complicated meth or monster fueling system, jumbo inlets, braided AN lines, etc.

https://imgur.com/XSwjCPB.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/fRo8l0x.jpg
Bored to 2.8L
JE's
IE's
2.8 heads ferrea valves


James @ CSP (https://www.csperformance.net/) built the motor.

[Gujuhammer]

I talked to TTE today. I was trying to get them to use my JHM RS6-RS turbos..."we would not rework those due to being non-OEM china clone turbos."

@VR6Bomber What do you need for the 780's other than the inlets? They bolt right up from what Eurotec told me. I have the same goals as you do but I'm leaning towards the 780's because I'm set up for RS6's.

[VR6Bomber]

I talked to TTE today. I was trying to get them to use my JHM RS6-RS turbos..."we would not rework those due to being non-OEM china clone turbos."

@VR6Bomber What do you need for the 780's other than the inlets? They bolt right up from what Eurotec told me. I have the same goals as you do but I'm leaning towards the 780's because I'm set up for RS6's.

TTE will only work with OE BW housings, TTE is particular about keeping their product OE++, I can definitely respect that, and that is exactly what I wanted for this OEM++ build.
Was it 'RS6tuner' that you spoke with, Simon IIRC? He was helpful in my purchase.

The 780s, I do not have direct experience with them (perhaps ask Mocke), I understand also bolt right up and I believe are their most popular (best selling) offering over there.

I really didn't think that I would be taking advantage of the 780 power potential with my plan for this build. I wanted to be at 500whp, that's my personal comfort level with this motor platform, and that's on a built block. 500whp and appear RS4 OEM stock, airbox, and all, we are going to aim for that goal on 93 without meth.
UM will make the fueling hardware selection and tuning.

For me with this current project, it is more important than additional power, to have a engine bay appearing RS4 factory. Using only factory RS4 intake hardware fuel rail bits. That meant no billet fuel rails, AN lines, no over-built PCV breather systems, meth or any other jazzy modified-looking stuff that would likely be required to take advantage of those 780's.







Sorry if this is turning into my project page..

[Gujuhammer]

TTE will only work with OE BW housings, TTE is particular about keeping their product OE++, I can definitely respect that, and that is exactly what I wanted for this OEM++ build.
Was it 'RS6tuner' that you spoke with, Simon IIRC? He was helpful in my purchase.

The 780s, I do not have direct experience with them (perhaps ask Mocke), I understand also bolt right up and I believe are their most popular (best selling) offering over there.

I really didn't think that I would be taking advantage of the 780 power potential with my plan for this build. I wanted to be at 500whp, that's my personal comfort level with this motor platform, and that's on a built block. 500whp and appear RS4 OEM stock, airbox, and all, we are going to aim for that goal on 93 without meth.
UM will make the fueling hardware selection and tuning.

For me with this current project, it is more important than additional power, to have a engine bay appearing RS4 factory. Using only factory RS4 intake hardware fuel rail bits. That meant no billet fuel rails, AN lines, no over-built PCV breather systems, meth or any other jazzy modified-looking stuff that would likely be required to take advantage of those 780's.


Sorry if this is turning into my project page..


I did speak with Simon and he was very helpful.

We have the same set up other than you bored it out to a 2.8. I'm looking for 500-600whp along with daily driveability & relative reliability. I'm also going for the "stock" look but not as far along as you are.

Don't apologize, you've been more than helpful and I appreciate all the information.

[VR6Bomber]

I did speak with Simon and he was very helpful.

We have the same set up other than you bored it out to a 2.8. I'm looking for 500-600whp along with daily driveability & relative reliability. I'm also going for the "stock" look but not as far along as you are.

Don't apologize, you've been more than helpful and I appreciate all the information.
I should have also added,
I also trying to temper myself with purchasing the 600's in avoiding the 'rabbit hole'
Gotta save yourself from yourself sometimes.. Step 1 is admitting that we are powerless over addiction lol.

[Gujuhammer]

I should have also added,
I also trying to temper myself with purchasing the 600's in avoiding the 'rabbit hole'
Gotta save yourself from yourself sometimes.. Step 1 is admitting that we are powerless over addiction lol.

That struggle is real...I'm trying to restrain myself as well. Still need to buy coilovers, re-spray, and a ton of small things.

What inlets are you running with the 600's?

[RubenS4]

...avoiding the 'rabbit hole'
Gotta save yourself from yourself sometimes.. Step 1 is admitting that we are powerless over addiction lol.

I know this feeling all too well. I spent 4 years going down this rabbit hole.....it felt like a prison term. I ended up choosing OE rs6 turbos with all rs6 upper components, which included intake, fuel rail, throttle body, y-pipe, airbox, etc. I also chose to go with a 3 liter bottom end using Cunningham rods. The intent was a moderate boost (26 lbs) daily driver that delivered quick boost and early torque delivery....I wanted to enhance and not change the natural design of what the Audi engineers intended for our bi-turbo motor. Since I did not want nor needed to go much above 7000rpm, I stayed with my stock heads and simply had them rebuilt. The addiction is real fellas.

[ChanceA4Parks]

My name is Chance...........and I've offically been an addict for a little over a year now. I have bought pretty much every upgrade you can find and then some (okay, a lot some). I don't even need anything and I feel the need to look at the classifieds every day at some point. I won't even realize what I'm doing until I'm already there. I never thought it would happen to me!!!!!

[Gujuhammer]

My name is Chance...........and I've offically been an addict for a little over a year now. I have bought pretty much every upgrade you can find and then some (okay, a lot some). I don't even need anything and I feel the need to look at the classifieds every day at some point. I won't even realize what I'm doing until I'm already there. I never thought it would happen to me!!!!!

It's a disease, we all have it, and you described the symptoms perfectly.

[landfill]

Yea it always starts as budget
builds and then ends up going
$10k+ over. Every damn time
like clockwork.

[VR6Bomber]

My name is Chance...........and I've offically been an addict for a little over a year now. I have bought pretty much every upgrade you can find and then some (okay, a lot some). I don't even need anything and I feel the need to look at the classifieds every day at some point. I won't even realize what I'm doing until I'm already there. I never thought it would happen to me!!!!!

Welcome Chance, thank you for sharing,
Have a seat, this is a friendly environment, take a pamphlet and make yourself a sandwich.

[b518]

Welcome Chance, thank you for sharing,
Have a seat, this is a friendly environment, take a pamphlet and make yourself a sandwich.Lmaoooooo

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[b518]

My name is Chance...........and I've offically been an addict for a little over a year now. I have bought pretty much every upgrade you can find and then some (okay, a lot some). I don't even need anything and I feel the need to look at the classifieds every day at some point. I won't even realize what I'm doing until I'm already there. I never thought it would happen to me!!!!![emoji23] [emoji23] that's a fact. In the classifieds with no business being there.

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[S4James]

vr6bomber must have a head injury, did a transmission fall on him too? "freindly" ? har!

[Lupe-81]

You will regret not going 780s now when you have a chance. You can use any 58mm inlets with silicon hose if needed to comp housing.
If you need any data or have questions about 780s - feel free to contact me.
TTEs are not cheap but they are good quality product and if you get technical issues, you will be taken care of urgently. That’s worth alot.

Do you Mocke or someone else have any experience on TTE880 which are developed from TTE780? Are there proven results available somewhere?

https://tteglobal.com/audi/s4/b5-2.7-v6/283/tte880-upgrade-turbochargers?c=94

[Mocke]

Do you Mocke or someone else have any experience on TTE880 which are developed from TTE780? Are there proven results available somewhere?

https://tteglobal.com/audi/s4/b5-2.7-v6/283/tte880-upgrade-turbochargers?c=94

Not that i know of now, but i do have several projects in pipeline with 880s that should be done this year.
I am expecting improvements over 780s

[Mikse]

Doubt we´ll ever see back to back comparison with TTE780 vs TTE880 to make a fare comparison (with back pressure data).

[Mocke]

I agree, but you was comparing 2.7 Engine with one gearbox to 3.0stroker with Another gearbox and took it for valid, so your standards cant be high haha.

Sorry jk, back to topic - We know what 780s can do roughly on differnt fuels. There is tons of data sofar.
We´ll see al least a pattern where it differs when 880 data is available.

[Mikse]

I agree, but you was comparing 2.7 Engine with one gearbox to 3.0stroker with Another gearbox and took it for valid, so your standards cant be high haha.
.mmkay.. [confused] Did not compare my turbos or setup in any way here but was just answering to Lupe's question about TTE780 vs TTE880 data.

[ChanceA4Parks]

I'm still chiseling away at this thing. Got the dual 3" turbo back pipes done. Still have to do some aligning but it's going to look good I feel. Got the catch cans situatated I think. I have to figure out if I want to weld a couple of bungs to the oil pan for caught oil/water return, but I've seen the crap that comes out if these things. I might just run a combined hose to a spot and drain it the same time I do oil changes. Got all but the rear quarter panels for the RS4 conversion. Got the 275/35/r19s for the rear in today and they look beefy as hell. It's starting to look like the TTEs will be going back in sooner than I thought. Next on the list.....the engine girdle. Yay. Hopefully this goes smooth. Then I'll have the engine recoloring and hopefully putting it all back in...again. 119646119647119648119649119650

[VR6Bomber]

Got the 275/35/r19s for the rear holy moly.
What wheels, et, pics?

[ChanceA4Parks]

The wheels are Roti SPFs at the moment. Not sure if I'm keeping them or not. I'll get some pictures of them mounted once I get them back from being refinished and have the tires mounted on them. Here's a test fitting picture I took while doing the rear brakes. 119666

[landfill]

^^^If you’re welding in b7 rs4
quarters you should of started
with an avant. We already have
the saloons over here.

Still a cool project never the less.

[ChanceA4Parks]

^^^If you’re welding in b7 rs4
quarters you should of started
with an avant. We already have
the saloons over here.

Still a cool project never the less.

I already have one station wagon style vehicle (Toyota Venza) I use for sound quality demoing. I wanted something that isn't a vacation vehicle. I wanted to build a toy and learn as much as I could about the mechanical side of things versus the electrical side (which is what I do for a living). I didn't realize I'd need rehab after the project is completed. My girlfriend hasn't seen me in over a year.....hahaha.

[ChanceA4Parks]

These colors............scream the 80s to me. 120158

[landfill]

^Lol

[ubeermench]

These colors............scream the 80s to me. 120158

Looks like the inside of a Taco Bell

[ChanceA4Parks]

Looks like the inside of a Taco Bell

Hopefully its as fast as Taco Hells food through my stomach. It does look like it though.

[Lupe-81]

Not that i know of now, but i do have several projects in pipeline with 880s that should be done this year.
I am expecting improvements over 780s


Any updates?

[Mocke]

Any updates?

The engine has been built.
Going into car soon.
We expect tuning in about two month.
First petrol, there it will not be pushed far, as engine has been built high CR.
After that E85 + WMI.


EDIT

Nice pic 950 vs 880 vs 780s


https://i.ibb.co/s6mm3yH/Foto-2019-07-13-21-17-24.jpg

[Mocke]

There was recently a request about tte780 spool in one thread.
I said i was going to post it, so here it comes.

Built AZR with ported 2.4 heads, stock RS4 cams
Oversize intakes, E85, Winter time.
This was while tuning, not a final revision. Log taken in 3rd gear.
In 4th gear car spoled even faster.
This is extreme thou, for some reason it just works better on some setups, and not as good on others.
Enjoy.


https://i.ibb.co/mGtBLY9/tte780-spool.jpg

[1thenaton1]

Thanks for sharing. is that actual psi on the Y2 axis? If so why does the pull start at 10psi?

[Mocke]

Yeah. Thats actual boost, ofc.
Bc the logger dont start recording until 95% throttle position. The driver Was too fast on throttle.

[vavJETTAw36]

Yeah. Thats actual boost, ofc.
Bc the logger dont start recording until 95% throttle position. The driver Was too fast on throttle.

You can adjust that in settings. Drop the minimum throttle.


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[Mocke]

Hehe. Naturlishh

[s4rmm]

Thank you for posting it. Unbelievable spool;)

35-36 psi from just 57-60% wg duty?

[Mocke]

[QUOTE=s4rmm;13838601]Thank you for posting it. Unbelievable spool;)

35

This particular car had very strong WG settings. - stronger than usually.
Usually it needs in range of 75-80% wgdc to achive this kind of boost profile.
In the end wgdc is not that important - the exhaust backpressure and EGTs stops it from making Power.

[Silverex]

Rs4 trans?

What was the exhaust setup on the car?

[VR6Bomber]

My built TTE600 car is finally up and running.
Its getting some remote tuning done via UM and I should hopefully have some more information soon.

Glad to see that others are having good success with the TTE turbochargers so far.

Nothing to really report on here, they work!

[NOTORIOUS VR]

This particular car had very strong WG settings. - stronger than usually.
Usually it needs in range of 75-80% wgdc to achive this kind of boost profile.
In the end wgdc is not that important - the exhaust backpressure and EGTs stops it from making Power.

That likely explains why this car spools stronger than the usual setups (along with the cold winter air).

[Mocke]

That likely explains why this car spools stronger than the usual setups (along with the cold winter air).

Cold weather contributes most definitely.
Harder WGs not so much as tte780s come with very strong settings from factory.
I’ve tuned lots of 780s in all kind of weathers, cams, heads, intakes, and non was this fast.
This car was scary fast spooling.
Iirc this car made 30psi in 4th gear before 3500rpm.
Usually i can se 30psi at 3800-4000rpm.
I got some 3L strokers with 780s coming up for tuning shortly. See how these will do.

Yes to RS tranny.
Zinram 3dp. At least they are sold as full 3” but This DPs are extremely wide just after turbo - looks more like 3.5, than goes full 3.
No cats - singel 3 the rest with one high flow muffler.

[NOTORIOUS VR]

Cold weather contributes most definitely.
Harder WGs not so much as tte780s come with very strong settings from factory.
I’ve tuned lots of 780s in all kind of weathers, cams, heads, intakes, and non was this fast.
This car was scary fast spooling.
Iirc this car made 30psi in 4th gear before 3500rpm.
Usually i can se 30psi at 3800-4000rpm.

It is surprising what extra WG pre-load does to be honest. Just that little extra helps keep them closed slightly longer during spool when back pressure isn't high yet. I'm not saying it's what is making all the difference in this case, but it does help :)

[Mocke]

Some more impressive data.
Run taken today.
Full weight RS4 wagon with S4 3rd gearing ( proper FATs)
1800kg incl driver and 1/3 tank
12deg C outside temp
E80 fuel
FATs - 1.9 sec
60-130 in 6.42sec - one shift
Not even imoressiv spool. But it pulls crazy.
Tuned by me.
Enjoy.

https://i.ibb.co/4NfBZv4/Sk-rmklipp-2019-09-19-20-36-31.png

[Lupe-81]

So is this 780 or 880? Other specs of the hardware?

[Mocke]

So is this 780 or 880? Other specs of the hardware?

A true RS4 wagon
ASJ block - forged, race spec tolerances and balance
82.5mm - true 2.8L - 9:1 CR
THE oil pump
AZR heads - supertech
Brand New 2.8cams
Oversize intakes and ICs
3Dps - 3.5 the rest
Fueling, cach can.....
TTE780 i have been beating for 3 years now at 35+ psi
TDI - DQT tranny - same 3rd gearing as std S4.
All spec’d, built n tuned by me.
Thats about it - short version.

[1thenaton1]

interesting, car spools almost 1000 rpm later, but still rips.

[Mocke]

Its still bit worm outside plus i got bigger cams - latens the spool. Also different calibration. Iirc the fast spooling car did like low 2sec on RS4 tranny which is like 2.3sec. I need to check among logs. But it was a show car at almoust 4400lbs with driver n passanger. Loads of big woofers n and amplifiers etc....
It was never this fast or intended to do any records. Made iirc 640ish wheel.
This engine i put together is scary fast. It just spins effortlessly. Around 700wheel hp.

[Silverex]

interesting, car spools almost 1000 rpm later, but still rips.

That other car spools ridiculously quick, I’d say this one is more inline for the norm.

[slowSfaux]

Its still bit worm outside plus i got bigger cams - latens the spool. Also different calibration. Iirc the fast spooling car did like low 2sec on RS4 tranny which is like 2.3sec. I need to check among logs. But it was a show car at almoust 4400lbs with driver n passanger. Loads of big woofers n and amplifiers etc....
It was never this fast or intended to do any records. Made iirc 640ish wheel.
This engine i put together is scary fast. It just spins effortlessly. Around 700wheel hp.

Just to reiterate what you're saying here, 2.3 second fats (on s4 gearing) equates to around 640whp?

[Mocke]

[QUOTE=slowSfaux;13846300]Just to reiterate what you're saying here, 2.3 second fats (on s4 gearing) equates to around 640whp?[/QUOTE

In this case it is what it is. That car is 4400lbs

[g_svan]

Not that i know of now, but i do have several projects in pipeline with 880s that should be done this year.
I am expecting improvements over 780s

Hej Mocke!! Any of those 880-projects generated any data yet? [wrench]

//g_svan

[Mocke]

Hej Mocke!! Any of those 880-projects generated any data yet? [wrench]

//g_svan

PMa mig, så tar vi ett snack ;)

[Lupe-81]

Any 880 results Mocke? 780/880 comparison?

[VR6Bomber]

We had some issues with fueling connectors that had delayed my builder/tuner (James Caste and UM).
The PB5 fuel pump hat turned our to be a real POS and was shorting out the pump circuit. James Caste custom built a aluminum hat and we are back to tuning the tte600s.
We are only up to 18psi so far. I was wondering how much boost others are hitting with the 600's?

[Mocke]

Any 880 results Mocke? 780/880 comparison?

One 880 build is scheduled End of January.
Its petrol only so not too much expectations and the owner is not “all out” interested. But - it should give solid data.
The other one i recon feb - mars. Those are closest. Others are in engine building state. That takes time.

[Perth_RS4]

We had some issues with fueling connectors that had delayed my builder/tuner (James Caste and UM).
The PB5 fuel pump hat turned our to be a real POS and was shorting out the pump circuit.

I had the PB5 fuel pump lid and wiring. I can confirm it is complete rubbish and not fit for purpose. Connectors are under sized for the current a Walbro 450 pulls and results in the connectors melting. Lid is 3d printed and very flimsy. Mine feel apart when running E85.

[Mocke]

Couple of these beauties on my table :)


https://i.ibb.co/GPxrWWk/Foto-2019-12-19-09-22-07.jpg

[NOTORIOUS VR]

I had the PB5 fuel pump lid and wiring. I can confirm it is complete rubbish and not fit for purpose. Connectors are under sized for the current a Walbro 450 pulls and results in the connectors melting. Lid is 3d printed and very flimsy. Mine feel apart when running E85.

I had a local car B5 car I tuned here, same thing that PB5 fuel pump lid is a complete joke and had to be tossed in the bin - he had a local CNC shop turn a new one.

[VR6Bomber]

I had a local car B5 car I tuned here, same thing that PB5 fuel pump lid is a complete joke and had to be tossed in the bin - he had a local CNC shop turn a new one.

The cure for all your PB5 junk fuel pump lid ills?
Know someone with a lathe!

Courtesy of James@CSP:
https://i.ibb.co/dmbtjhX/017-2.jpg

[protocol_droid]

Couple of these beauties on my table :)


https://i.ibb.co/GPxrWWk/Foto-2019-12-19-09-22-07.jpgyum...shoulda taken advantage of the black friday deal

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[Mocke]

Yeah. Those deals was good.
I can still set you up with better deal then most can offer. Or at least what i can see on net.
Unfortunately most of stock is gone.
I only have one last set 550s ready to go.
I know you want bigger.
These take apx 4 weeks to deliver.
Cheers

[Mocke]

I just finished TTE880 project.
I think its the first official results with these turbos.
Ill post info later today.

[Mocke]

S4 Wagon
3L AZR fully built
Ported 2.8 heads with 2.8 cams - Ferrera valves......
All the THE-Tuner intakes

RS4 B7 tranny - short gearing.

Low amb temps.
Tuned on pump petrol 98 (Us93)

610wtq - 630 whp

Never mind FATs as gearing is very short ( 1.52 in 3rd gear).


I belive this is the first TTE880 setup finalized WWW.
It is not quite respresentative to draw any conclussions due to short gearing.
They do make a lots of Torque and do not feel laggy, but i would say just a tad laggier then 780s.
Next setup inline has a std S4 tranny and will be tuned on E85 as well. I recon these will be doing tons of TQ and north of 700whp easy with Ethanol.

So long - this is how a boost graph looks like and a pull from tuning.

Cheers.


https://i.ibb.co/DRnLxR4/Foto-2020-01-30-21-01-23.png



Video



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_gvlDBQck6Y

[james 408]

Why is there needlepause at 5 grand after shift in a straightline on shortened gearing if it doesn't feel laggy? When, if ever, would something feel laggy, in your opinion? Have you tried actually testing the lag, or even showing a boost guage on the car in your adverts? Maybe like actually showing when you first get on the gas after being off of it? Sounds radical I know, but say I were trying to make a case that something wasn't laggy, and I could prove it... hey that's a good idea, you should do that, might sell well.

Is there a timeslip available? like from a track, using their equipment, on a representative sample?

[jorntoffe]

Why is there needlepause at 5 grand after shift in a straightline on shortened gearing if it doesn't feel laggy? When, if ever, would something feel laggy, in your opinion? Have you tried actually testing the lag, or even showing a boost guage on the car in your adverts? Maybe like actually showing when you first get on the gas after being off of it? Sounds radical I know, but say I were trying to make a case that something wasn't laggy, and I could prove it... hey that's a good idea, you should do that, might sell well.

Is there a timeslip available? like from a track, using their equipment, on a representative sample?

Well its my car. The box is short and very fun to drive with. The needlepause you are talking about is because i hesitated a bit and did not ninjashift like maybe you do. Maybe u should stop talk bullsh#t all over this forum and grow up?

[james 408]

sure bud. I can hear your clutch pedal and your shifter, and the note change in the engine along with the needle man. Show the boost guage, let me watch your lies unravel :)

Hint: that thing on the left is called a tachometer, it will show you everything you need to know, even without the boost guage, if you know what you're looking at. Your slowest shift, was released and gas depressed a full 1k above match, and it chug chugged cause your shift wasn't quite perfect, although not bad.

Sweet car though, bullshit aside.

[Mikse]

?When, if ever, would something feel laggy, in your opinion?

When, if ever, would something NOT feel laggy, in your opinion?

[james 408]

if it didn't have lag that I could feel or see. Not to be a radical or anything. From there it's degrees, and fact based. Tradeoff can be worth it, or it can not be. But if you just pretend it doesn't exist, well, wtf game are we playing here, I'm confused.

Now this Not Laggy is slightly lagier than that not laggy? jesus.

[replica_rs4]

James 408 what is your turbo and fuel set up at the moment?

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[Mikse]

if it didn't have lag that I could feel or see. Not to be a radical or anything.
OK, just stick with N/A or electric car and don't waste your life here.

[james 408]

Replica: Just OTS k04 stuff. Nothing special. More reliability and rally in mind than a drag/airport car, grip focused build. Might consider something next time they go, not k24s or anything until they get the lag sorted (probably about when I get my true hoverboard), it's bad enough as is coming out of hairpins, resort to touching first at 6 grand if you're really pushing on an uphill offcamber, a few of em actually that readily come to mind where it gives you bit of onthrottle correction to straighten you a bit and avoid spinning or guesswork on the clutch at real low rpms.

Nothing wrong with turbos mikse, I just don't pretend it disappeared after group B, or anytime it's been claimed since then :)

[NOTORIOUS VR]

if it didn't have lag that I could feel or see.

There is no such thing with turbo cars. Stop being a dumb ass in peoples threads.

All turbo cars have a measurable mount of lag.

[james 408]

Correct sir. Some more than others. and yeah I look forward to being able to stop calling bullshit. Not fun, but worth it.

[tjb616]

Bumping this old thread.

I see lots of 780 sales getting posted on the gram lately. Anyone here have a recent dyno sheet from a new 780 setup?

[Mocke]

Bumping this old thread.

I see lots of 780 sales getting posted on the gram lately. Anyone here have a recent dyno sheet from a new 780 setup?

No point in looking for results in US.
We have a record of what’s sold to US and there is not much. Some tuners in US are talking about working with these products, but reality is - no or bad just yet.
Search for info in Europe.
German sites and forums.
Good luck.

[tjb616]

Any suggestions? I only know RS246 and there is only one TTE780 search result.

[Mocke]

Any suggestions? I only know RS246 and there is only one TTE780 search result.

Its FB groups.
Check for Tunetec - Germany
MB- Tuning - Austria
Obviously being German products there is most job dobe. But they are not too chatty.
Outside Germany and English speaking it’s probably
me with most experience and work around these.
Get in contact @ 2.7TMotorsport

Regards.

[tjb616]

Thanks!

Tunetec had a few awesome builds. All 3L and all made 400ft lbs around 3250RPM, which is amazing.

I'm hoping the turbo can deliver 400ft lbs at sea level on 93oct on a 2.7L on a Mustang dyno before 4,000RPM.

Didn't find any charts on MB's page but I'll keep digging.

[Mocke]

Here is some dynos n videos.

https://www.audi-sport.net/xf/threads/tte780-upgrade-performance-turbochargers-rs4-s4-b5-a6-2-7t.234835/

[tjb616]

How in the hell did this car make 475ft lbs at 3k (more than K04) and 700 ft lbs at 4k RPM? This is the chart dreams are made of. I'd love to know what that would look like on a Mustang dyno and went into that motor build.

TUNETEC RS4 3.0 TTE780 768PS 1006.3Nm 102 Fuel, 2.1bar - 1.55bar

http://i1158.photobucket.com/albums/p613/TheTurboEngineers/11914242_814213478698517_8471377460327819561_n_zps rg7eejn0.jpg

[NOTORIOUS VR]

How in the hell did this car make 475ft lbs at 3k (more than K04) and 700 ft lbs at 4k RPM? This is the chart dreams are made of. I'd love to know what that would look like on a Mustang dyno and went into that motor build.

TUNETEC RS4 3.0 TTE780 768PS 1006.3Nm 102 Fuel, 2.1bar - 1.55bar

1. That graph is a calculated value
2. It's not a rolling road (from what I've seen) - rather some device that is used on the car and then on the street.
3. the TQ figures are at the engine - so there is some nonsense calculation involved with drivetrain loss, etc.

[S4James]

134mph is no joke though.

[Mocke]

How in the hell did this car make 475ft lbs at 3k (more than K04) and 700 ft lbs at 4k RPM? This is the chart dreams are made of. I'd love to know what that would look like on a Mustang dyno and went into that motor build.

TUNETEC RS4 3.0 TTE780 768PS 1006.3Nm 102 Fuel, 2.1bar - 1.55bar

http://i1158.photobucket.com/albums/p613/TheTurboEngineers/11914242_814213478698517_8471377460327819561_n_zps rg7eejn0.jpg


Its meassured with Insoric. This is a device imho same as Me7 Logger. It meassures out on road, so no heatsoaking as on dyno. The curves are right ofc, the numbers I dont know.
These guys are the most famous German tuners (tuned RS4 Limo) but i have not seen much performance numbers lately. I guess they are BIG and have nothing to prove any longer plus work overload.
Worth mentioning all Hybrids are heat sensitive. The difference between winter/E85 car and summer/petrol tuned car is day and night.
This is typical for hybrids. OE pjk04s and rs6 turbos dont suffer this. This is why dyno or any sort of plots varie so much in spool and power.

[rnagy86]

Just so that there is also a negative review. I have been asked to tune a pair of TTE780 turbos on
car local to me, which was making really bad hooting sounds at part throttle and was heavily
surging at WOT at anything over 1.5 bar of boost. I have basically told the owner that the turbos
are shit and he should send it back to TTE as they definitely f'd something up.
The turbos were sent back to TTE and it took them 2-3 weeks even to say something about the status
of the turbos and they said that the compressor wheels hit the compressor housings, but they have
no idea why. Well we told them it was surging like crazy so I have no idea why this was a surprise
to them. Anyway they were nice enough to send a completely overhauled set of turbos under warranty,
so that's obviously a plus to them.

The turbos were fitted to the car hoping that something magical would have happened,
but unfortunately all remains the same.

Enjoy the magic hybrids:

https://i.imgur.com/Hp1bRFe.png

https://i.imgur.com/MVRprze.png

Note that the car is heavily modified already with the following mods:
- Built ASJ block, with polished 2.4 heads and cams, supertech valves and double springs
with titanium retainers, blablabla
- THE-Tuner intake manifold
- THE-Tuner cast exhaust manifold
- THE-Tuner RS6 throttle body
- THE-Tuner pressure pipes
- THE-Tuner all the fucking things :)
- 3" DPs
- SRM v2 intercoolers

Obviously the hardware have been checked thoroughly several times and everything is in order,
and I honestly doubt that the engine can't take the air in :)

Time to install some proper ball bearing turbos.

[Silverex]

God damn are those things spooling fast! Well the second graph for sure....why is the spool slower on the first one? Can you post graphs with wastegate duty cycle also?


Assuming it’s stock displacement at 2.7?
Stock sized valves?
When do you have the cam switch over and what’s the numbers for the banks on measuring block 93?

Thanks for posting the pros and cons of these turbos since they aren’t that common over in the states. Also nice to see data from someone that’s not selling them too.

[rnagy86]

God damn are those things spooling fast! Well the second graph for sure....why is the spool slower on the first one? Can you post graphs with wastegate duty cycle also?


Assuming it’s stock displacement at 2.7?
Stock sized valves?
When do you have the cam switch over and what’s the numbers for the banks on measuring block 93?

Thanks for posting the pros and cons of these turbos since they aren’t that common over in the states. Also nice to see data from someone that’s not selling them too.


2nd graph was 5th gear, first was 4th gear. Anyway here is a graph with fixed 50% WGDC in 4th, cam changeover does not really have any effect on the surge,
with the cams not advanced, it just spools later but still surges :)

https://i.imgur.com/TYL04S0.png

Yes it is a stock displacement with 8.5:1 CR. Stock sized valves.

block 93 is -1, 0, but as i said, timing has been checked

[armageddon-]

rnagy86, weren't you having a similar issue with some rs6 hybrids before you chose to go gtx route?

[rnagy86]

rnagy86, weren't you having a similar issue with some rs6 hybrids before you chose to go gtx route?

Well that was my car with a completely different setup but yeah it was something similar, but far from as bad as this.
Those turbos were cheap custom made so anything was possible, but these are 4.5k+ EUR turds shined by the interwebz,
with another 5-6k EUR "useless supporting mods".

[Silverex]

O ok that spool up makes me feel a lot better now with my setup. Lol
Got any graphs in 3rd?..what trans? Mainly curious since that’s all I usually log and always nice to have other comparisons.

Seems like you got all the obvious stuff lined out so I’d be thinking the turbos also, sucks they couldnt give you anymore input but atleast they rebuilt them and I’m sure they will sell quick.

[rnagy86]

O ok that spool up makes me feel a lot better now with my setup. Lol
Got any graphs in 3rd?..what trans? Mainly curious since that’s all I usually log and always nice to have other comparisons.

Seems like you got all the obvious stuff lined out so I’d be thinking the turbos also, sucks they couldnt give you anymore input but atleast they rebuilt them and I’m sure they will sell quick.

Sorry, no 3rd gear pulls. It is an oem rs4 transmission.

[MCP]

Just so that there is also a negative review. I have been asked to tune a pair of TTE780 turbos on
car local to me, which was making really bad hooting sounds at part throttle and was heavily
surging at WOT at anything over 1.5 bar of boost. I have basically told the owner that the turbos
are shit and he should send it back to TTE as they definitely f'd something up.
The turbos were sent back to TTE and it took them 2-3 weeks even to say something about the status
of the turbos and they said that the compressor wheels hit the compressor housings, but they have
no idea why. Well we told them it was surging like crazy so I have no idea why this was a surprise
to them. Anyway they were nice enough to send a completely overhauled set of turbos under warranty,
so that's obviously a plus to them.

The turbos were fitted to the car hoping that something magical would have happened,
but unfortunately all remains the same.

Enjoy the magic hybrids:

https://i.imgur.com/Hp1bRFe.png

https://i.imgur.com/MVRprze.png

Note that the car is heavily modified already with the following mods:
- Built ASJ block, with polished 2.4 heads and cams, supertech valves and double springs
with titanium retainers, blablabla
- THE-Tuner intake manifold
- THE-Tuner cast exhaust manifold
- THE-Tuner RS6 throttle body
- THE-Tuner pressure pipes
- THE-Tuner all the fucking things :)
- 3" DPs
- SRM v2 intercoolers

Obviously the hardware have been checked thoroughly several times and everything is in order,
and I honestly doubt that the engine can't take the air in :)

Time to install some proper ball bearing turbos.

I don’t believe that ball bearings will necessarily remedy the issue, I know of a high end build in the states that was running a set of ball bearing Borg Warner EFR 6758 turbos and they never got it running properly due to surging issues as well


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[rnagy86]

I don’t believe that ball bearings will necessarily remedy the issue, I know of a high end build in the states that was running a set of ball bearing Borg Warner EFR 6758 turbos and they never got it running properly due to surging issues as well

Of course but at least you get a compressor map that will tell you exactly what to expect and even if you are in the surge line, you most probably have an anti-surge compressor housing.

[MCP]

Of course but at least you get a compressor map that will tell you exactly what to expect and even if you are in the surge line, you most probably have an anti-surge compressor housing.

Yep, with that I agree, it’s nice having a compressor map and being able to plot the engines volumetric output against it, and yes most of the high end new turbo options have the anti-surge compressor housings which in my book is a huge plus, hope that helps prevent any future surging issues with my build as well.


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[Silverex]

I don’t believe that ball bearings will necessarily remedy the issue, I know of a high end build in the states that was running a set of ball bearing Borg Warner EFR 6758 turbos and they never got it running properly due to surging issues as well


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Those turbos weren’t a good match for his setup, pretty sure he had smaller exhaust housing which was causing his issues.

I honestly don’t think compressor maps are that big of a deal but it is nice to have them if your going drop the coin on a speed sensor.

[Mocke]

@RNagy86

This is the same car you already posted surging logs about in the other thread?

Peter from Motorsport Protechnic??

This guy contacted me on your recommandation and he was suspecting the tune to be issue. I guess he tuned it himself, not sure.
In the end i see he did not want to pay my prices to get tuned, As he said he was going to pull the turbos and send them back to TTE and then get back to me.

Anyway.
Only turbo in TTEs line that had proven surge issuse was TTE700 when they was used with 2.5" inlets.
This is something reported by me and some other tuners, and those turbos was taken out of production permanently.
In all these years, dealing with 780s both personally and in contact with other owners and tuners -. tte780s has never been reported as turbo with surge issue. And these has been used to all sort/size builds, fuels and power outcomes.
If the issue is not in Wastegates ( being of sync), something else is overlooked here.
I am also very intressted to see what happend here.

[rnagy86]

I would really love to see a MAF signal curve from a 4 gear pull from your logs if possible.

[rnagy86]

That's what I thought :)

[Mocke]

That's what I thought :)

Listen Robert, No matter how much you trying to provoke me, I will not forgett that i do this for living.
No free lunches here, spec when your customer already contacted me and didnt want to pay my prices.
If you have issues with TTE turbos - take it with TTE ppl. Thats not me. I have no bone in this.
As the rest, i wish you sort it and tell us what was the cose. I,d also like to know.
Good luck now.

[Silverex]

Mocke: trust me I get not doing stuff for free but is posting a graph of the maf curve asking for that much?
Not being a smart ass, legit asking.

[rnagy86]

Nobody is provoking anyone, i just asked for proof and a maf curve in 4th gear will show if it surges or not, nothing else.

But honestly I don't care, it is not my problem.

[tjb616]

Any new TTE builds in the last couple months?

[VR6Bomber]

Any new TTE builds in the last couple months?

I'm currently removing my TTE600s for 780's.
Mocke is doing the software.

Its a built motor, but we are not going for high HP.

[tjb616]

I'm currently removing my TTE600s for 780's.
Mocke is doing the software.

Its a built motor, but we are not going for high HP.

Happy to hear it. Are you in NNJ or SJ? Would love to see a local 780 car.

[VR6Bomber]

Happy to hear it. Are you in NNJ or SJ? Would love to see a local 780 car.

Central NJ
Hopefully it will be cruise ready for this spring.

[tjb616]

Best of luck with the build! Shot you PM, btw.

[zatch_303]

It's a widebody Avant. Pure sechs.

[VR6Bomber]

It's a widebody Avant. Pure sechs.

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[Mocke]

Due to a new situation that has accoured between us and Sharp Motorsport ( representative for TTE), we will not any longer be selling TTE turbochargers.
The way they have treated us cosing that We do not have any loyality to them any longer or obligations. For this reason i will post what you asked about.
We are also users as any other here so the information is benificial to all.

We have for quite some time noticed a difference in product, mostly reliability and performance was not there with later TTE chargers. They was noticably more smoking and failour reportings.
The power numbers on petrol alone was way too low. Just seen the other day a built RS4 with all the juicy stuff on tte780s and ron 98 do only 605bhp and 645nm only.



This is what i was able to dig out quickly.

4th gear, 1 bar no issues

https://i.ibb.co/yfZJ3tv/1.png

4th gear, 2 bar - clear surge maf readings. No noticable surge sounds but the sounds you have posted i have heard several times on part throttle.
This might be a proper surge or WG issue ( being out of sinc inbetween the sides).

https://i.ibb.co/K9DfPQt/2bar.png

[tjb616]

Wow, sorry to hear they're having QC issues and handling them so poorly.

Curious, other than out of sync waste gates, what variance in the turbo build quality could cause surge?

[RS6Tuner]

Due to a new situation that has accoured between us and Sharp Motorsport ( representative for TTE), we will not any longer be selling TTE turbochargers.
The way they have treated us cosing that We do not have any loyality to them any longer or obligations. For this reason i will post what you asked about.
We are also users as any other here so the information is benificial to all.

We have for quite some time noticed a difference in product, mostly reliability and performance was not there with later TTE chargers. They was noticably more smoking and failour reportings.
The power numbers on petrol alone was way too low. Just seen the other day a built RS4 with all the juicy stuff on tte780s and ron 98 do only 605bhp and 645nm only.





Hi Guys,

This story has two sides as ever, but in a nutshell..

Sharp motorsport is TTE’s Global distribution partner (TTEGLOBAL.COM) and is owned by myself. I am also very much TTE and have worked for and on behalf of TTE for many years and my key role is TTE’S global sales director.

Its true we could not work things out with 2.7 motorsport and we did try. But was never quality issues raised in this dispute ever, but it was actually his concerns to non-EU to EU sales and his profit margins and accusations of sharp motorsport assigning other dealers that he did not approve off.

What happened is 2.7 MOTORSPORT tried to force a deal lacking any business etiquette, rudely and with false info to the CEO of TTE and myself, in hopes of trading directly with TTE.
Direct trade was never going to be allowed but was listened too and was declined politely. He was then rude and still I tried to resolve and then finally he was abusive and with threats of legal action and causing a “public circus” in his own words. This was when it came to an end and where any form of communication was blocked by myself and his current orders was refunded in full and the account was finally cancelled.

The End.

To draw a positive out of anyone reading this I would like to offer a 5% “AUDIZINE” discount coupon at TTEGLOBAL.COM

[Stage_3]

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[Mocke]

This will be a long input, for good reason.

As Simon said there is two sides of the story.
I will brake it down in several parts.

We have been working with TTE products for over 5 years where last two years has been directly buying and selling TTE turbos. You all know how much i have done to promote their product.Some thought i was directly working for TTE
I was under assumption that i was dealing with TTE, but i was not. Simon owns a company Sharp Motorsport and i was basicly dealer for a dealer. I was not presented this information until i received first bills.
The fact is that there are vendors working directly with with TTE - the real engeeners is just a fact 100%. I know a couple of them.

We have had several customers that worked with other builders and tuners and having multiple TTE turbos fail for no reason. Before they come to us.
They all receive same treatmant from Simon.
Either NO anwer att all after brand new 5000Euro turbo just starts smoking or getting answers as Impossible, We never had a quality issue. Our turbos never fail. There are people on this forum that can confirm this.
Or just arque with you blaming on builders, tuners or you. Just about anything to avoid the responsability.
Majority gets tired, have no energy to go through the abuse and feeling stupid, specially after they paid enormous amounts of money for what they belive is Top Noch products.

Every time i raised the concers about something being wrong or just a failiour accoured, i was never getting any answers.
And how would i? I dont get to talk to real TTE engeneers. I get to spek to Simon who is a simple seller, that never ever does any work. No engeenereing, no mechanics, no tuning. His job is to sell. And he does it well using all means possible.
So I started investigating what is going on, Why are turbos failing. In general.
I posted a Turbo tech on my site. Purely informative. See 2.7TMotorsport on FB date 25.12.2020 or our IG.

This is the post.

Christmas Turbo tech
Turbocharger failiours.
This is a topic many have different theories, ideas, opinions about.
In my work i have opportuity to both see first hand and i get alot of emails from rundom owners around the world that had turbocharger failiours of different nature.
Some facts in my experience:
1. Leaks - leads to overspin and journal damage ( Always owners fault)
2. FOB - foreign objectes entering turbo. Medium hard to spot. FOBs comes in through the contaminated oil ( rebuilding the engins with used parts).
Bad or none air filters, Metal parts chipping of from intake piping, bad weldings within insides etc.. Not easy to spot.
3. Oil starvations - Hard one to spot.
4. Out of balance - This is easy to avoid as every quality turbocharger comes with highspeed balance sheet.
5. Bad quality - not balanced, low grade parts used. Very common.
6. Bad tunes - This is easy to check as every real tuner has all the LOGs to support the events.
IE: You can not ask for 2 bar from pjk04 turbo or even rs6 k04. It will not run for very long.
Otherwize there is nothing in tune that damages the turbo. Its a mechanical thing.
6. Bad engeneering. This one is tricky as the manufacturours will seldom provide complete spec, naturally bc of copy reasons....
I am talking about - Too big wheels for the shaft size and stifness.
This one is very common with hybrid turbochargers, as bigger is seldom better in same size housing or shaft thickess.
Bigger the wheels, means more rotating mass furher from center. Combine that with low quality or undersized shafts and the turbocharger has no chance living long. The forces are too high on the bearings bc of bending shafts, cosing premature failing of the bearing and oilleaks - turbo smoking.
Or wheels rubbing the housings and seazing.
For this reason, stock turbos ( in our case PJk04 and RS6 k04) tend to last very long time even with serious overboosts, noliftshifts, launches, hard continious beatings etc... It is simply well ballanced compressor size to turbine size along with quality and strong enough shaft inbetween to support both wheels in enough big housing.
Take your time and watch this video, it will explain alot. It applies to all turbos and platforms.
https://www.youtube.com/watch...
Note!
Make sure you buy a quality turbochargers from reputable manufactourors that can support their products with data, tests and tech.
I hope you find this intresting!


He immediatly started PM-me and attacking me for posting negative about a product i was selling.
I did not understand what he was talking about at first, what did i do wrong? Asking him to stop attacking me. he kept on and told me straight out: What you goona do about it? Seriously?? Is this the level of abuse i need to take?
He addmitted that the turbo in video was actually a TTE turbo and that guy that posted the video is no good. This is how all conversations goes with Simon. Its always degrading people and insulting them. Nobody knows nothing - he knows it all.

See video for yourself. Its up to you to decide if the tech in the video knows what he is talking about. His video is purely informative, not bashing on anyone, a proper tech that i found aligning with what my thought are about possible turbo failiours.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?fbclid=IwAR2VJQeVdeJe4N571POhcmfxMoCDinGP5nZ 7XukJdVs34AKACwulWmBnU8Y&v=Qfyfb6MHnTI&feature=youtu.be


The real problem here is that Simon just admited for me, that they are using China rotating assambly in their turbos. The bigger problem is that he also besides the PMs to me comented on angry on my FB site about this video. What happend? Public made a connection and understood this was a TTE turbo. And we started getting emils from ppl that we have nothing to do with about their TTE faiulours and no warranties.


2. Deal with Sharp Motorsport/ TTE

You are not deling with TTE, you have nothing to do with TTE!! You are dealing with Sharp Motorsport - totaly different company.
You get 20% discount.
All fine. All good.
Problem here is, anybody gets this deal. You can be selling tractors and have a valid VAT ( registred company) and sell TTE turbos.
Bigger problem here is, that anyone that contacts Simon as a private person gets the same deal - 20% off. I did back in the days, all my friends i recommanded did it as well.
You don not have any kind of deal in reality. You are basicly a cheap advertizer that earns no money and deals with issues when customers gets issues with turbos not performing.
You are not protected in any case. He is nor respecting you at all as a dealer of his own products. The only one that is earning money and not taking any resposibility is Simon.
Think where this puts you as a deler!! Just have a thought.
Why would anyone buy a turbo from me when they can go straight to source and get the same deal?
If i want to sell any turbos, i need to give them underprice and basicly give it away considering you need to pay Taxes, bank conversion fees.
Also, as said there are TTE dealers that has no clue about turbos, building cars, tuning. They have the same deal.
Now, Put yourself in my position here.
Guy that has been owning these turbos, working with them long time, developing, tuning, has a proper expirinece about the product. Guy that sold or influenced loads of buyers too get this product.
Its all for nothing. I brought these concernes to Simon couple of times very friendly in the past. He would not do anything about it.
Well, i cant tell him how to run his business so i just accepted it. What can you do,

Problem that brought this up to situation now.
Simon Sharp is in UK - not EU after 1.1 2021. TTE is in Germany - EU. We are in EU.
Bc of Brexit - UK is not in EU any longer. The rules has changed about taxes and VAT costs. We are running a legit business, this is very imortant or you get into issues with IRS.
After new year we was not able to order turbos and pay to Sharp Motorsport in UK and then get turbos dropshipped from Germany which is within EU.
Simple technicality. No issue at all. Its just a matter of sending a bill to me straight from TTE Geramny and i get the product from same place Germany. This way booking alignes as it should. Everyone happy,but not Simon as this way he did not get turbo sold from his company.
I had several orders placed since way back - last year when it was under old rules.
One of them was a set of refubed 550s for a customer. As these turbos has not been able to deliver new since April last year. TTE did not have parts for them.
They introduced this 9 blade technology instead of a real B&W rs6 turbine.
You can see this is a China shaft, its a downgrade not an upgrade.
So, We received a set of refubed TTE550s for a customer that i said i want them redone old style proper RS6 turbine.
Chargers came. No old style but a 9 blade. Well, what can you do, if they dont have parts, you must accept it.
Problem was they damaged the ehaust side, Made a small pithole that is not any practical problem. But just ugly to see when customer pays top dollar.

So i contacted Chriss ( TTE CEO) and talked to him about this pithole. Did not mention 9 blade turbine as i assumed they just dont do it the old way any longer.
All good. Explanations accepted.
I brought up Brexit issue and asked for the bills and product come from same place.
And he said - Ok no problem, notify Simon and we will proceed.

So I did tell Simon about it and that we can not deal any longer bc of Tax reasons.

What does Simon do?? What Simon always do. He bullyed the TTE CEO not to sell to me ande i was his customer. Lij ei was making up Brexit?? The Brexit rules was brought up to me from my own accountant.
Day after i spoke to TTE CEO and i.v seen he delited what he told me.
He could not help me. I was Simons customer and so it shell be.
Knowing this was not practicly possible any longer.

And you know what. This is where i had it enough!! It was the drop for me.
I WOULD NOT DEAL WITH SIMON SHARP EVER AGAIN - if this means i have to close down my own company. This guy will never sell anything of my back again.
So i told both him and CEO about my thoughts and dissapointment.

Here is exactly what i forwarded to both of them:

I see that you already have worked on Chriss.
So, i will give you my real reasons.
I find the arrangemans we have had disrespectful. I am tired of it.

I was in belife that i delt with TTE from the beggining. I was not aware that i was dealing a product for a dealer.
I have raised my concernes couple of times about you giving these deals to everyone and anyone and selling the same product 20% off to basicly anyone who asks. I know this for fact. This puts me in a very shitty position where i work for nothing or even worse i need to answer for others fuckups and i have taken soooo much personal abuze defending your products bc people belive that i work for TTE. Truth is, I have not much for it besides issues. My deep knowladge and experience is equelized to some rookies with valid VAT behind the computer that never built anything.Dont even understand the dynimics of building and tuning a car. But We both have same deals. Thats the game as you said last time.
It was never about how many units i sell, its all about how many units YOU sell. You know this very well. And i influenced a lot of those sales.
I am sick and tired having low minded dissussions with you that always endsup in personal attacks, bulling, threats etc or almost neantherthal challanges asking me " What you goona do about it?? Seriously?
Its impossible to have a techical talk about furthering the product and having constructive conversation, solving the issues and keeping the customers happy.

Its always everyones else fault, I never liked that guy, people are haters etc these are your answers... meanwhile customers are paying for the most expensive parts in the world. Its just unworthy.

Now, I can not tell you how you gonna run your business, but i am for sure in charge of my own and i have made a decision.
I deserve more respect and appriciation for everything i contributed to TTE over the years.
For those reasons i will never buy anything from you again.
And Stay out of my business Simon!!


Let me tell you how Simon works and responds to customers. This is in general, He was not abusive to me last time. But the time before when i posted turbo tech.
He is arrogant as allways first, he pushes, he insults, he degrades you, he bullys you.
Then he delites all of that.
When this does not work.
He Change tactics and tone in same conversation.
Starts appologizing.Kissing ass. Try to buy you off, as he says resolve the situation.
When this does not work - he delites that too.
When everything is lost and he sees he can not controll the writing.
He wants to call you up or just calls up.
This where he can unload his real feelings.
DO NOT ACCEPT THIS EVER. Keep everything in writing with this guy.
Then he just stops and gets all diplomatic, playing nice. Thumbs up etc....
Starts deliting the conversations, it almost looks like you are talking to yourself.
He works in PMs - degrading you, contacting your affiliates spreading lies, telling you are not good as he doesnt need you any more.
Degrading the same partners he benefit so many times from and shared their good work to sell own products.
Is there is use for you - he will use you. When that stops - he will just go forward as you never existed.
This is just his game. I dont play games Simon. I dont delite anything and i do not care what you are deliting. I have nothing to hide.
Then he block you everywhere. Usually after some time he comes back, kissing ass again or sends somone else to appologize, worm you up.
This gu has no friends anywhere, nowhere to turn to as the ring of ppl wanted to work with him is smaller and smaller. And for the good reason.

I have been threatened with lawers in the past if i post videos of their turbos fail.
There is always and underlined intimidation involved from Simos side.
This is a hidious person, a professional lier. This guy will do anything to damage you if dont play his game.
There is TONs of people expirienced this same treatmant as i have. You guys need to step up. This guy need to be stopped.
This is one of the most HATED person i have ever had to work with,
This guy has more enemies over the world then anyone i have ever seen.


After long input ( see above) i wrote to Simon, i answered only once again.

This is what i wrote:

""QUOTE""

Two things!!
Business.
Two of orders already paid for!
This must be delivered as there will be some very pissed off customers.
One of them you have already screwed on lots of money and time and he had to pay for everything anyway.
Brand new tte780 blew up in 50km on not even tuned fully that you just rebuilt.
There is all the conversations saved, where you are telling him to loose all the pictures and never post etc...pictures, data....
Still, he paid for everything,
Now, he spent loads of money AGAIN preparing for 950 build.
Plus, I will charge you for loss of income bc you refused to delivere already agreed and paid for.


Personal!!

Speak to me?? You do not deserve 2 minuts of my time any more.
I have kids to feed same size as yours, and you went and muscle Chriss and me out of TTE????
How dear you, you peace of shit??
I already spoke to Chriss yesterday. He was Ok with it and then you came to play cowboy and fuck everything up.
After 5 years supporting you and your public lies,you go and muscle me out just becouse you feel like it??
Ohh no son, you dont!! Now, you PISSED ME OFF.
The only way for you to fix this is to cut your bullshit you just made up with Chriss so we both can keep earning money, and you can do what ever you want - just long away from me. I don`t wanna see or hear your name.
Close that account. YOU will never earn anything on me again.




We had two orders for turbos for our customers paid and ordered way back in last year.
One of these is for a person that had two TTE780s fail.
This person had to deal with Simos arrogance and still pay for all the damage first time.
No explanation why chargers was damaged,
Received refubed 780s. They run 50km ( 30 mile) - failed again at 60% wgdc 2.1 - 1.6 bar making hardly 500bhp. Both started smoking - blew up completely before car was stopped.
Sent in again. AGAIN .- had to cover all costs - no technincal explanation besides its his own fault. Had again to pay for everything.
Same customer ordered TTE950s now and spent loads of money to support this build.
This is one of the orders Simon just decided to cancle. Damaging the innocient customer that did no wrong,
And there was no reason at all to do so, turbos was soon done, bills paids long ago. This is just Simon being Simon.
This is the part that explaind " business section above" and why its compolitely unnececery to not deliver a product to a paying customer. It is not me, Simon is damgaing,
He is damaging TTE and customer. And customers will talk openly and it will be public circus.

The other " personal answer"

Does that look to you coming from me and wanting to solve something with Simon? To agree to sell myself after he did what he did. I would rather drop dead then dirty myself down ever again dealing with Simon.
Does that look like i want to get a better deal??
Oh NO.
I do not wish to deal with Simon Sharp in under any conditions possible!! Not even if he gave me turbos for free.
Thats exactly what is stated there. Close my account and dissaper.
The only way i would deal with TTE is directly.


You can clearly see what kind of person this is, he just tried to buy the comunity above.



As last.
Word of advice.


Simon Sharp is a NOT a person you want to deal with.
Simon Sharp should get fired from TTE if they are smart and worry about their reputation as he did ger fired from LOBA back in the days.
This is an extremaly dishonest and bad person.
Our customers has been screaming to us to get any other solution so they can avoid dealing with TTE in the future. All TTE build has been dropped and reverted, No one of our future customers will proceed using TTE. Those that already built cars with turbos on will be tuned in. Whateever happens - information will be shared openly on our channel.
If you are a Sharp Motorsport dealer - sorry to say - You are just another sucker as i was.
Distance yourself from these products, They are twice the price similar, using same China internals, and you will get stuck alone if problems accure. There will be no help,

If you are already using their products and having premature issues - do not hasitate. Get on the, do not accept anything but a total cost refund.
Plz, share this information as much you can, and get in with your own thoughts and expirinces.


Regards.

[RS6Tuner]

This little ploy of Kemal's was hatched on a sunday afternoon while I was out with my children walking in the rain with limited cellular service via a facebook messenger.

He is a 1 man show that does very little business and thinks everyone owes him or hes a major player or something.. Get a grip man and I hope this is a lesson for you.

I won't even waste my time anymore to reply to your fake statements and false reality and your"public circus" ive real work to do.


Enjoy

[jorntoffe]

Well, I have som experiences my self
I have bought several Turbos from Loba and TTE
2x set Loba600, where one got converted to tte780
1x 880
1x 950 ( which got canceled above)

The Loba 600 i installed in my Rs4 back in 2011 which were 1. gen. Theese still kick ass, and no sign of shaft play, after 100k driven, and usually 6-7 trackdays yearly. By my experience best turbos made for this platform
The other lo600 got converted to TTE780 due to chiped blades ( owned the car with another guy and when i bought him out i pulled engine and realised he have driven car wtihtout air filter)

When they got converted to TTE780 i built an 3L Azr. Mapped on dyno but sold car in parts, and saw the turbines had small chips on them. This was due to bad welding on supporting parts. Sent them back for full rebuild
Then I built my Imola Rs replica, and installed the 3L AZR engine fully built ( by engine workshop) and was ready for tune. All supporting hardware from the Tuner, everything fit good and no leak when pressure testing. )

Drove the car for 600 km for looking for issues or leaks but none appeared. We started making pulls and logging for mapping. I thikn we managed 5 pulls and then something happened and car started smoking like crazy. Got it towed back home and investigated. Put a inspection camera down the intake piping and it was wet of oil, saw the turbine wheel very clearly out of position. When I pulled the engine and removed the turbos i saw what had happened. Shaft just snapped. Contacted TTE for service and support, had to send both turbos in. Needed fully rebuild and was of course my fault the shaft snapped. I tried get answer why it was my fault or what had happened. All I got was it was my own fault.

When I saw the movie above it was very clear to me why it happened, Too big wheels making too much force on the shaft.

Now I am only worried about the same will happen to my 880. They got even bigger wheels. And it will happen, that I am very sure of

That was the reason I went for the TTE950 back in november, since they are another platform ( have same base on my car with Dahlback Racing turbos (k16/24 based) They have been abused for a decade, mostly on track with 20 min heats for weekends after weekends. Still running strong and no shaft play) So I payed up and 2.7tmotorsport ordered them in november. Now Simon have canceled them, making me in a bit of position since the build I am making are based out of those turbos. Here is Sharp motorsport, putting a customer, that have used already too much money in this game at theese two companies (Loba/TTE) in an awkard position. Canceling my Turbos which were paid for back in november 2020. Excellent customer service... And I feel sorry for the other guys that got screwed over same way by getting canceled.
What am i supposed to do now? Already used too much for support the TTE950, but that seems like its no longer an option...