TTE Turbo info/review thread?

[okkim]

Put some Garretts in...

[RS6Tuner]

Now I am only worried about the same will happen to my 880. They got even bigger wheels. And it will happen, that I am very sure of

That was the reason I went for the TTE950 back in november, since they are another platform ( have same base on my car with Dahlback Racing turbos (k16/24 based) They have been abused for a decade, mostly on track with 20 min heats for weekends after weekends. Still running strong and no shaft play) So I payed up and 2.7tmotorsport ordered them in november. Now Simon have canceled them, making me in a bit of position since the build I am making are based out of those turbos. Here is Sharp motorsport, putting a customer, that have used already too much money in this game at theese two companies (Loba/TTE) in an awkard position. Canceling my Turbos which were paid for back in november 2020. Excellent customer service... And I feel sorry for the other guys that got screwed over same way by getting canceled.
What am i supposed to do now? Already used too much for support the TTE950, but that seems like its no longer an option...

You can buy from me at a discounted price for the inconvenience. I have your set still, no problem.

Was only another TTE550 set i canceled and id offer the same to that guy

[q20v]

It's interesting and good to hear about some design feedback on this line of turbos. My impression had always been that these were equal to / greater than OE in terms of durability. I have no direct experience with them so will leave my opinions out, but came damn close to grabbing a set of 9-blade TTE550 for my build, now hearing that they are using undersized Chinese components on critical parts, for the price you pay, makes me go [o_o]

[S4James]

Take an SRM car for a spin before you pull the trigger on anything... Now.. where on earth can you find one of those? ;)

[q20v]

Take an SRM car for a spin before you pull the trigger on anything... Now.. where on earth can you find one of those? ;)

I don't want to drive yours until I've driven mine, I don't want to set the bar at 700hp and then jump in mine on K04s and have it feel slow haha

[S4James]

Punxsutawny Phil says 6 more weeks of winter.

[Imho]

Is anyone able to proof that 9B shaft is undersized ?

[q20v]

Punxsutawny Phil says 6 more weeks of winter.

Kids/GF/Work say at least 6 more months of build [=(]


Is anyone able to proof that 9B shaft is undersized ?

For me it's the logic explained at about 5:45 in that video above. Bigger comp wheel and turbine while keeping the same shaft size. The idea of having these upsized in stock K04 cold/hot side housings initially appealed to me from a quick spool / higher HP perspective, but it has shed light on the fact that maybe looking at a larger framed turbo to begin with is a better idea from a durability / longevity point of view. Not saying all the 550's are going to grenade, and everyone has different requirements when putting together their build. There are plenty of people using these turbos without issue but I don't know what kind of long term data exists for them. Not hating on anyone here, just like I said above, it's interesting to hear feedback about turbo design especially with these turbos, considering they are seen as one of the higher-end options.

[jorntoffe]

Put some Garretts in...

Yes, am in the planning for go for the Garret G25 550 turbos. So the plan is go that route instead. Easier to deal with a company produced turbo "as is" from Garret, who have been into the turbo business for half a decade. Dont need to be sent halfway aroud the globe for rebuild.





You can buy from me at a discounted price for the inconvenience. I have your set still, no problem.

Was only another TTE550 set i canceled and id offer the same to that guy

Sorry but its kinda bad customer service letting this go out on the end customer like it did this time. If you had been professional you let thosse orders go through and finnished off as planned, rather than cancel the whole shabang. Thats the thing that's making me go another route. It's us that suffer from this.
I will skip the thing since it ends up getting a more expensive turbo than was in the first place. Since now have to pay tax and shippng around everywhere. (first shipping from Ger to UK, then Back to Ger, then to me in Norway. with all taxes etc that generates )
So I'll go down the G25 route.

[RS6Tuner]

Sorry but its kinda bad customer service letting this go out on the end customer like it did this time. If you had been professional you let thosse orders go through and finnished off as planned, rather than cancel the whole shabang. Thats the thing that's making me go another route. It's us that suffer from this.
I will skip the thing since it ends up getting a more expensive turbo than was in the first place. Since now have to pay tax and shippng around everywhere. (first shipping from Ger to UK, then Back to Ger, then to me in Norway. with all taxes etc that generates )
So I'll go down the G25 route.

That's fine and your opinion.

If I had known your contact details I would of reached out directly to fix but only now, 2 days later do I know.

Any extra shipping costs I would of covered anyhow if actually was any and no difference in Taxes I think.

[NOTORIOUS VR]

go on....

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[CELison]

go on....

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x2. The semi-broken English only heightens the experience as well.

[colicabcadam]

My experience of mocke...... he’s a cry baby who is always right.

I’ve had a running with him, to the point where he could not handle the “online” confrontation anymore so he threatened court action before blocking me, he thinks he is god’s gift to bosch ecu’s and the 2.7 platform.

It’s a good laugh seeing him throw a tantrum again, he’s not changed one bit.

[jballou]

I see children fighting on both sides... Sharp should have completed their final obligations, then cut ties if that is what is called for. Mocke feels the way he feels and sometimes neither side can come to an agreement, business is business, even if your heart and soul is in it..sucks, but it happens all quite a bit.

Bringing it to a public place does provide entertainment, and in the end, both sides lose.

[Mocke]

I see Simon has called up on friend Intervention.
Adam Luke Corbett. I had to check your profile bc i could not place you right. I have never done any trades or business with you. Thats a fact. You are in title to your opinion, but you need to accept that people will not associate with you bc of your online behaviour.
I know you are enjoying the show, but after 6 years of not making a single post here you just pop here, 4 AM in the morning is proving my point that Simon is all about using and bashing on peoples personalites and not disscussing the real issue. Which is the fact that TTE is using a china internals and Sharp Motorsport is not a company to deal with they are not standing behind the warranties or agreemants.

Good job Simon Sharp - TheTurboEngeneers representative. You certenaly have a style. You just damaged TTE even more with this move. Good luck with that.

@jballou

You are absolutly right, but if you see my first post - it was about technical issue concering TTE turbo.
I also explained why i am posting that being off the TTEs hook and no futher obligations towords them. Or Sharp Motorsport.

The next one came from Simon getting personal and this is where my long post came to explain situation.
It is pretty obvious that one that looses is Me ( economicly) as my work was based alot on TTE chargers.
You can call it stupid, or bad business, I call it being straight and doing the right thing. Being deceived for long time and intimidated not to speak up about these turbos failing at high rate is not doing me any favores. Or my customers, or public.

Customers contacts me spending huge money building motors around TTE turbos which they belive will make a big power figures safely. This is promoted as OE genuine parts, highest quality. Best on the market.
TTE880 means - 880 hp possible
TTE780 means - 780 hp possible

The position i get into is really tough.
Customers screaming, I spend big money, I want 800hp. I,v seen it on internet. But the reality is you will make way less or the turbos will blow up at early stage not even tuned or on very low boost.
After that the real pain comes when customer gets back to Sharp Motorsport and doesn`t get any answers or has to pay for everything getting the blame as well.
Do you see the picture, and what position i am in?

Anyway, Lets keep it techncal here.

Here is Jorntoffe`s TTE780 blowing up without any reason.
Brand new, just came from TTE´s refube.

Initial WG liniarisation Logs bumping WG 10% at the time.
You can see all good 50%, where 60% shows a sign of bit slower spool. The car started smoking gradually more and more until turbo shafts snappt cruising to a stop.
Motor was healthy, no leaks. Turbos just popped not even fully boosted, making barely 500bhp. 2.1 - 1.5 bar.

https://i.ibb.co/nrqTLys/Sk-rmklipp-2021-02-03-14-53-54.png


Compressor side. No damage to it. No overspin.

https://i.ibb.co/R4dHWtd/780-comp.jpg


Turbine snapped.

https://i.ibb.co/nsWWxJF/780turbine.jpg


Why wasn`t this customer taken care of?
Why did he have to pay for everything? Its a clear cut case of faulty product that just came back from these same people? The most expensive chargers in the world? Top Noch quality?
In addition this same guy buys another set, this time TTE880.
And now again builds an 3L AZR with girdle and all possible most expensive internal parts to support TTE950s and than gets it cancled for no reason?
Do you think this person vill ever want to do anything with TTE?
I guess not. As a matter of fact, i have a line of customers screaming for any other solution for this platform, just to avoid dealing with Sharp Motorsport and Simon Sharp.

I also want to make perfectly clear. TTE is not to be blamed here to0 much, The focus is on Sharp Motorsport as he is handeling all the contact and sales.

Sorry for broken English, I am trying my best using 3rd language.

Regards.

[colicabcadam]

Stop thinking you are a god in the tuning world, you’re not, listen to yourself, constantly bigging yourself up.

You said TTE turbos are shit and Chinese, use another turbo brand, simple.

A car you tuned in the UK recently blew up, your ratio of cars mapped to cars blowing up is a joke, but you never tell anyone this huh ?

Pointless replying to me, I’m not coming back.

[Imho]

That's the problem of this industry no one wants to tell about failures. The sad truth is that warranty on turbocharger is a myth.
But maybe if more ppl start to tell "hey i bought XXX brand turbos it last for 1 month with 1.8bar and blown" - someone else will think 3 times before purchase ?
Kemal, maybe its time to count how many you installed and how many failed? I have seen recently your FB story about tte780 lasting for 5 years (or something similar) - so quality dropped recently i guess?

And same from my side: "Sorry for broken English, I am trying my best using 3rd language."

[Mocke]

Your intentions are very obvious and i will answer to you or Simon that is moving you around as a puppet. But, yes, please Go away and stop making yourself relative for no reason.
The engine you are using to bash me about has nothing to do with me tuning it.
That motor was not built by us in any way or shape.
Car was tuned a year ago, running great. No issues at all. Super happy customer.
Recently he was cruising on roundabout and dropped a valve. He posted the pictures online and this very explanation himself. Working to fix it and i will be tuning it.
Unless you belive that we tuned in some kind of timer - dropp valve after 9 month, you clearly show that you have no mechanical or tuning skillz and is here to do Simons dirty job.
We are working on his new setup, actually a very satisfied customer to us. Hope he chims in here.
Adam/Simon - Good luck with your intentions.

@Imho - Yes that is very much true for obvious reasons. Its all roses until it tips over and gets to much.


I am one of the earliest owners of TTE780s. Its them you are reffering to.
Have them running for 4.5 years, No issues. They came with WGs out of sinc ( one was 11psi - the other 13). I corrected. Other than that, all good. No bad word on that pair.
Somewhere down the line things started to happen with ppl i know had these installed.
Couple loosing WG tension, thing common to China chepaer WGs. One owner had a pair compressor falling of. This was allthough his own fault as he had IC hose popping off on several occasions.
The thing is until about 3 years ago you could not hear so much buzz and those that got into issues was usually taken care of.
As new platform grew ( RS3,TTRs, MQB) the aftercare disapiered. This is where more n more stories kept coming up. Me, not involved so, nothing i would be talking about. I leave that to owners themselves.
I do not have count, i dont have these numbers but 780s has been sold by 100s n 100s..
If you look the TTE owners list - there is mine and one more TTE780 car listed only for 100-200.
Our car still runs great - the other one from Germany melted.
So, where are all the TTE780 owners and results?? I have asked this question numerous times.
Every product fails. That is 100%. But the keyword is aftercare. Today there are even cheapest Ebay turbos that have a warranty. TTE is on the other side of the scale - warranty should not even be discussed.

Its not fun to talk about negative things as you may be attacked from all angles for the things that are not relative at all. Most ppl can not handle that. For this reason many talk in PMs and doesnt post online.

[Silverex]

Sorry but its kinda bad customer service letting this go out on the end customer like it did this time. If you had been professional you let thosse orders go through and finnished off as planned, rather than cancel the whole shabang. Thats the thing that's making me go another route. It's us that suffer from this.
I will skip the thing since it ends up getting a more expensive turbo than was in the first place. Since now have to pay tax and shippng around everywhere. (first shipping from Ger to UK, then Back to Ger, then to me in Norway. with all taxes etc that generates )
So I'll go down the G25 route.
While I completely get your frustration after seeing what Mocke posted if I was in Simon’s shoes I would have done the same, canceled orders and cut ties with the vender. When another business starts making demands/threats it’s time to move on and 99.99% of the time thats what a business owner does. Put yourself in Simon shoes and understand that he was probably worried about issues arising after delivery of parts and didn’t want to deal with the headache. He did offer to sell you the turbos at cost. while he could have tried to get your info and contact you directly, the way the conversation was going I probably wouldn’t have asked either.

Just my 2cents as someone who ran a small business for 5yrs


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Can you shed some light on RS6 turbine availability, like can you still get 550-780s with that turbine instead of a larger one?

Any input on the turbine shaft being undersized for wheel size. I feel like that video posted shows some legitimate concerns of using a smaller shaft with larger wheel and it would be nice to see your opinion on it

[Mocke]

[QUOTE=Silverex;14430541]While I completely get your frustration after seeing what Mocke posted if I was in Simon’s shoes I would have done the same, canceled orders and cut ties with the vender. When another business starts making demands/threats it’s time to move on and 99.99% of the time thats what a business owner does. Put yourself in Simon shoes and understand that he was probably worried about issues arising after delivery of parts and didn’t want to deal with the headache. He did offer to sell you the turbos at cost. while he could have tried to get your info and contact you directly, the way the conversation was going I probably wouldn’t have asked either.

You did not think this through good enough.
Delivering those turbos to me or Jorn directly, makes no difference. As its still Jorn that will have them in our project that will be tuned by us. If there is potential possible issue that he was concered about - its not being resolved by not delivering them to me but then delivering to end customer. This is Simon being Simon. Simple as that. The only thing he managed to do is to break legal contract, damage me economicly and piss off end customer and get into public circus. I do not see any wins in this case. There will be no more interactions between us. If those turbos needed attention afterwards, it does not matter who received them in the first place. We or Jorn.
And I cut the ties - not him. There is no circumstances i would buy anything from him again.

[RS6Tuner]

Can you shed some light on RS6 turbine availability, like can you still get 550-780s with that turbine instead of a larger one?

Any input on the turbine shaft being undersized for wheel size. I feel like that video posted shows some legitimate concerns of using a smaller shaft with larger wheel and it would be nice to see your opinion on it


TTE780
Has never has changed. Same K16 BorgWarner turbine, same bearings (BW 7pad- TTE Journal) same BW compressor, same BW housings and even same CNC program. Effectively clones from the beginning of launch.


TTE550
Sure we have the BorgWarner K04(rs6 c5)Shafts that was swapped out of TTE550 for the 9blade now used. It's actually not a bigger diameter just more open to flow. same BW bearing system used as ever.

We nearly always have those k04 shafts in stock as are parts of turbos we disassemble to make the hybrids. My guys that build the units tell me, quality and balance is better on 9blade vs the ko4 on the whole.

It is the turbo's / housings that can be a pain to get stock of from BW, as are an old turbo design that has a very low volume of sales now.

[Silverex]

You did not think this through good enough.
Delivering those turbos to me or Jorn directly, makes no difference. As its still Jorn that will have them in our project that will be tuned by us. If there is potential possible issue that he was concered about - its not being resolved by not delivering them to me but then delivering to end customer. This is Simon being Simon. Simple as that. The only thing he managed to do is to break legal contract, damage me economicly and piss off end customer and get into public circus. I do not see any wins in this case. There will be no more interactions between us. If those turbos needed attention afterwards, it does not matter who received them in the first place. We or Jorn.
And I cut the ties - not him. There is no circumstances i would buy anything from him again.

I did think it through and who receives the turbos does make a difference. If there was issues with the turbos, shipping, or whatever then he would have to still deal with you versus mailing straight to customer and dealing with him for any follow up questions or issues. Did you think through how the way your representing yourself and business is coming off?

There is definitely no wins in this situation especially on your end with the way you continue to handle the situation. If there’s issues with the turbos I’d suggest posting about that and only that, keep your personal stuff out of it.

Seems like he’s the one that cut ties since he refunded your order not you canceling it, then TTE cut ties with you. Can you blame TTE for doing so, who would want to deal with a company that makes threats then airs stuff out online. A professional company would do whatever they thought was in their legal means and move on. Bashing online is a petty bitch move IMO. If you have issues with the turbos all the sudden then stop recommending them and if you have proof of multiple ones failing in a similar fashion then by all means post it but please keep your personal stuff out of it. It will only help your business.


TTE780
Has never has changed. Same K16 BorgWarner turbine, same bearings (BW 7pad- TTE Journal) same BW compressor, same BW housings and even same CNC program. Effectively clones from the beginning of launch.


TTE550
Sure we have the BorgWarner K04(rs6 c5)Shafts that was swapped out of TTE550 for the 9blade now used. It's actually not a bigger diameter just more open to flow. same BW bearing system used as ever.

We nearly always have those k04 shafts in stock as are parts of turbos we disassemble to make the hybrids. My guys that build the units tell me, quality and balance is better on 9blade vs the ko4 on the whole.

It is the turbo's / housings that can be a pain to get stock of from BW, as are an old turbo design that has a very low volume of sales now.
Sorry I forgot which turbo had what but nice to hear the 780s havnt changed at all.
How about the 880s...arnt they basically 780 with larger turbine wheel? If yes is it a larger turbine wheel on same sized shaft?

[tjb616]

For what it's worth, I can't help but feel that a US based retailer AND accredited warranty/service/repair center would be hugely beneficial to TTE's stateside business.

The potential of having to deal with international warranty claims, no matter how reputable the product, is a major obstacle when deciding to purchase something like a set of turbochargers.

[Andrew@ORT]

For what it's worth, I can't help but feel that a US based retailer AND accredited warranty/service/repair center would be hugely beneficial to TTE's stateside business.

The potential of having to deal with international warranty claims, no matter how reputable the product, is a major obstacle when deciding to purchase something like a set of turbochargers.

Been in biz for 15 years, spent 6 of them more or less dealing exclusively with one vendor based in Austria. We rarely had issues with getting parts warrantied, it was the core return + lead time for a new part that really hampered our success. That said, I don't wish it upon anyone Stateside as it's a time suck no matter how you play the cards.

[RS6Tuner]

Sorry I forgot which turbo had what but nice to hear the 780s havnt changed at all.
How about the 880s...arnt they basically 780 with larger turbine wheel? If yes is it a larger turbine wheel on same sized shaft?

TTE880 Has a bigger compressor and 2mm bigger turbine dia but the real advantage is 9 blades so more open to flow, also a nice plus is its lighter. Same shaft size but we think no problem as the K16 size is a thicker shaft vs K04. We use these combos of sizes in our Porsche hybrids as example.

For the record i've never made the calls on Warranties ever. Warranties are handled by our Engineers And Mostly Chris actually the CEO, and you know what he's extremely fair and generous I feel, as wants happy customers as do I, but sometimes he has to say no is not covered under warranty but he still offers help by doing a cheaper overhaul or other.

[MCP]

TTE880 Has a bigger compressor and 2mm bigger turbine dia but the real advantage is 9 blades so more open to flow, also a nice plus is its lighter. Same shaft size but we think no problem as the K16 size is a thicker shaft vs K04. We use these combos of sizes in our Porsche hybrids as example.

For the record i've never made the calls on Warranties ever. Warranties are handled by our Engineers And Mostly Chris actually the CEO, and you know what he's extremely fair and generous I feel, as wants happy customers as do I, but sometimes he has to say no is not covered under warranty but he still offers help by doing a cheaper overhaul or other.

One thing I have always wondered is why TTE does not list the basic information that most big name turbocharger companies have when listed for sale online. Things like compressor & turbine wheel inducer and exducer size, compressor maps, turbine maps, A/R, wastegate cracking pressure are not included and I was just curious as to why do they refrain from giving/not list this information.


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[g_svan]

On my tte780+'s, I was given a 10% discount on a rebuild, after turbo failure in under 2000km of driving [o_o]

I'm running 880's now, and they also failed - this time in less than 30km... During clutch break in, Bearing housing came loose, on the first light pull to wg pressure -lol- This time I got a rebuild under warranty. I was told the failure was oil pressure related, and they wanted me to fit the The-Tuner's oil pump upgrade, witch I did (I was running a good looking rs4 oil pump).

I've now had the car tuned to about the same hp that when I ran the 780's
Haven't been able to test them (due to icy roads), but still hope for some improvements vs the 780's ;)

Tuning our cars to these power levels is always a gamble, and I suppose I understand TTE and their warranty policy, but still, I'm a bit disappointed

Next time - and I'm sure it will be - I think I'll try some Garretts :D

Take care,
g_svan

[jorntoffe]

Same feeling as me, like when my 780 failed. After 5 pulls when mapping. Engine was newly built, all healthy and bnib rs4 oil pump was installed along with all new parts in engine. Ran the car at low rpm for 1 tank to rule out leaks etc before start tuning. When they came to TTE all I got for reply was my own fault. They couldnt explain to me why it was, it just was my fault. 1450 euro poorer for the rebuild cause of snapped shaft. It was clear to me what happened when i saw the movie poseted above.

And same feeling like you on the 880's, I kinda expect them to fail sooner or later. But hey, they have already lasted longer than my 780 did.

Also next time, which are now for my build to another car I go Garrett, they are already ordered due to the refund of the canceled 950's

Too bad it is like this, and I am sure there are more that have same experiences...

[Silverex]

Same feeling as me, like when my 780 failed. After 5 pulls when mapping. Engine was newly built, all healthy and bnib rs4 oil pump was installed along with all new parts in engine. Ran the car at low rpm for 1 tank to rule out leaks etc before start tuning. When they came to TTE all I got for reply was my own fault. They couldnt explain to me why it was, it just was my fault. 1450 euro poorer for the rebuild cause of snapped shaft. It was clear to me what happened when i saw the movie poseted above.

And same feeling like you on the 880's, I kinda expect them to fail sooner or later. But hey, they have already lasted longer than my 780 did.

Also next time, which are now for my build to another car I go Garrett, they are already ordered due to the refund of the canceled 950's

Too bad it is like this, and I am sure there are more that have same experiences...
Just to play devils advocate they use a OE K16 turbines in the 780s so the video posted doesn’t relate to your failure since it’s not a modified shaft.
The other day I did see someone post on FB that they had brand new OE BW RS4 turbos fail twice (1st set then the warranty replacement) so it makes me wonder if it’s maybe BW that has the quality issues recently and since TTE uses a lot of their parts it would make sense they have issues also.

I 100% agree that the situation sucks and I’d be pissed also after purchasing one of the most expensive turbo options for our platform that fail and the company blames you but can’t explain why they think so. Just spit balling here but since you ran them on a freshly built motor it could have had some metal from machining/break in go through the turbos but I’d assume that would be pretty obvious on disassembly.

Just curious how much boost were you running prior to failure? Wonder if they are just pushed to far

[jorntoffe]

The engine was flushed 3 times with all new fresh oil. Also have magnet on drain plug. Was flushed at my engine workshop as well. I did install a brand new the tuners upgraded oil punp when put in the 880’s since I heard rumours they like more oil and pressure. If thats the case its pretty obvious they should set it as a prerequisite for even buying thise chargers.

I had no boost on them. Base map with wg pressure. Think its 0.8 or 1 bar. And for the record i do have an oil pressure gauge in car so oil pressure are in control.

[AudiAR01]

My brand new set of BW k04 turbos have a 7mm shaft.... A k16 turbo frame should have a 8.42mm shaft at factory specs with factory compressor and turbine wheel. A simple measurement of the shaft in the TTE turbos can tell what size the shaft is. If it's less than 8.42mm then it's too small for a larger wheel especially on both sides.
I believe the video said it had 5mm shaft. That is entirely way to small for that size compressor and turbine wheel.
2003 A6 2.7T 6spd Stage 1+ (motor pulled for stage 3+ upgrades)

2001 Allroad TIP Stage 1
2006 A3 2.0T 6spd Stage 1

[james 408]

LMAO

It's funny how the information being put forth suddenly transforms when the relationship sours and the money stops flowing, and not a moment before. Ugly.

Ethics/credibility please?

TTE: I told you so. Forums: I told you so.

[Silverex]

The engine was flushed 3 times with all new fresh oil. Also have magnet on drain plug. Was flushed at my engine workshop as well. I did install a brand new the tuners upgraded oil punp when put in the 880’s since I heard rumours they like more oil and pressure. If thats the case its pretty obvious they should set it as a prerequisite for even buying thise chargers.

I had no boost on them. Base map with wg pressure. Think its 0.8 or 1 bar. And for the record i do have an oil pressure gauge in car so oil pressure are in control.
I understand doing a lot of oil changes but there will still be some metal but I doubt it was that since it’d be pretty obvious.

Damn so you never ran turbos over 1bar boost and they failed?

Do they mention what kind of oil pressure they want you to have?

LMAO

It's funny how the information being put forth suddenly transforms when the relationship sours and the money stops flowing, and not a moment before. Ugly.

Ethics/credibility please?

TTE: I told you so. Forums: I told you so.
Ugh I hate to agree with ya but him sayin that he has no obligation to not tell the true made me think the same thing.

[james 408]

Funny thing is I got in trouble for calling BS, cause obviously it was, and now they're both calling each other liars in open forum. You reap what you sew, they deserve each other -- I just feel bad for the customers, as usual.

I mean the same party was literally saying it wasn't the TTE rebuild on public threads a few months ago, but is saying he noticed the problem 2 years ago -- while pretending to be taking the moral high ground for the customer. Like... hello? Anybody home in there?

[Silverex]

My brand new set of BW k04 turbos have a 7mm shaft.... A k16 turbo frame should have a 8.42mm shaft at factory specs with factory compressor and turbine wheel. A simple measurement of the shaft in the TTE turbos can tell what size the shaft is. If it's less than 8.42mm then it's too small for a larger wheel especially on both sides.
I believe the video said it had 5mm shaft. That is entirely way to small for that size compressor and turbine wheel.
2003 A6 2.7T 6spd Stage 1+ (motor pulled for stage 3+ upgrades)

2001 Allroad TIP Stage 1
2006 A3 2.0T 6spd Stage 1
Yea I wonder if they machine the k16 shaft down to 7mm or if they machine the bearing housing for the larger shaft OD.

[AudiAR01]

Yea I wonder if they machine the k16 shaft down to 7mm or if they machine the bearing housing for the larger shaft OD.You would hope they don't machine the shaft at all. It should stay at it's large size. You should nvr machine the shaft smaller for a larger wheel. On either side. That makes absolutely zero sense.

2003 A6 2.7T 6spd Stage 1+ (motor pulled for stage 3+ upgrades)

2001 Allroad TIP Stage 1
2006 A3 2.0T 6spd Stage 1

[RS6Tuner]

You would hope they don't machine the shaft at all. It should stay at it's large size. You should nvr machine the shaft smaller for a larger wheel. On either side. That makes absolutely zero sense.

2003 A6 2.7T 6spd Stage 1+ (motor pulled for stage 3+ upgrades)

2001 Allroad TIP Stage 1
2006 A3 2.0T 6spd Stage 1


No is a standard sized K16 Genuine BW shaft. We never machine shafts.


For interest Me & Chris just did a rough estimate on sales to failure rate and its under 2% on TTE780's.

I've contacted Jorntoffe privately and we are cool. I have known Jorntoffe near 10years and we have never had a bad word between us.


Just a quick look on 2.7motorsports instagram in the last few months of 2020 shows he seemed to think TTE was a good option. The failure above of Jortoffe turbos in this thread shared by Mocke(2.7 motorsport)was from NOV 2019.



https://hosting.photobucket.com/images/p613/TheTurboEngineers/1(1).png?width=1920&height=1080&fit=bounds (https://app.photobucket.com/u/TheTurboEngineers/p/ac9580c3-4cd0-40f1-a337-56573aeb8e44)

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[RS6Tuner]

My brand new set of BW k04 turbos have a 7mm shaft.... A k16 turbo frame should have a 8.42mm shaft at factory specs with factory compressor and turbine wheel. A simple measurement of the shaft in the TTE turbos can tell what size the shaft is. If it's less than 8.42mm then it's too small for a larger wheel especially on both sides.
I believe the video said it had 5mm shaft. That is entirely way to small for that size compressor and turbine wheel.
2003 A6 2.7T 6spd Stage 1+ (motor pulled for stage 3+ upgrades)

2001 Allroad TIP Stage 1
2006 A3 2.0T 6spd Stage 1

The video is of a IS38 VAG 2.0 TSI EA888.3 Hybrid IHI(GOLF 7R as example). Its not relevant to anything B5 at all.

[AudiAR01]

No is a standard sized K16 Genuine BW shaft. We never machine shafts.


For interest Me & Chris just did a rough estimate on sales to failure rate and its under 2% on TTE780's.

I've contacted Jorntoffe privately and we are cool. I have known Jorntoffe near 10years and we have never had a bad word between us.


Just a quick look on 2.7motorsports instagram in the last few months of 2020 shows he seemed to think TTE was a good option. The failure above of Jortoffe turbos in this thread shared by Mocke(2.7 motorsport)was from NOV 2019.



https://hosting.photobucket.com/images/p613/TheTurboEngineers/1(1).png?width=1920&height=1080&fit=bounds (https://app.photobucket.com/u/TheTurboEngineers/p/ac9580c3-4cd0-40f1-a337-56573aeb8e44)

https://hosting.photobucket.com/images/p613/TheTurboEngineers/3(1).png?width=1920&height=1080&fit=bounds (https://app.photobucket.com/u/TheTurboEngineers/p/e24e5b67-5358-49a9-b8ce-1518c4a1baee)

https://hosting.photobucket.com/images/p613/TheTurboEngineers/2(1).png?width=1920&height=1080&fit=bounds (https://app.photobucket.com/u/TheTurboEngineers/p/1e50a8f6-60a5-4595-8060-b68daf54dfd2)

https://hosting.photobucket.com/images/p613/TheTurboEngineers/4.png?width=1920&height=1080&fit=bounds (https://app.photobucket.com/u/TheTurboEngineers/p/4bc5b929-08e0-4bd2-bab4-5ba6fbddbd1e)Yeah I didn't figure you machined the shaft smaller to accept a larger wheel. Because that makes absolutely no sense at all.

2003 A6 2.7T 6spd Stage 1+ (motor pulled for stage 3+ upgrades)

2001 Allroad TIP Stage 1
2006 A3 2.0T 6spd Stage 1

[AudiAR01]

The video is of a IS38 VAG 2.0 TSI EA888.3 Hybrid IHI(GOLF 7R as example). Its not relevant to anything B5 at all.I wasn't saying it did. I was just saying that turbo they said a 5mm. Which is too small. And that's causing the breakage. I was just giving info on shaft size. That a k04 turbo shaft is this size. And k16 shaft is this size. I didn't say the is38 has anything to do with TTE turbos. And I didn't post that video. Mocke did saying you said that turbo was a TTE turbo. That you admitted that was your turbo. But in the comments on the video the poster even said he didn't how you could say it was your turbo without seeing it in hand. Bc they show nothing about branding or names.

2003 A6 2.7T 6spd Stage 1+ (motor pulled for stage 3+ upgrades)

2001 Allroad TIP Stage 1
2006 A3 2.0T 6spd Stage 1

[AudiAR01]

As you can see he tried to say you said it was your turbo. And the original poster said he doesn't how you can claim it's yours by the video.

And the plot thickens dun dun dun....

2003 A6 2.7T 6spd Stage 1+ (motor pulled for stage 3+ upgrades)

2001 Allroad TIP Stage 1
2006 A3 2.0T 6spd Stage 1
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[RMode]

For what it's worth, I can't help but feel that a US based retailer AND accredited warranty/service/repair center would be hugely beneficial to TTE's stateside business.

The potential of having to deal with international warranty claims, no matter how reputable the product, is a major obstacle when deciding to purchase something like a set of turbochargers.

The volume and margin are likely not worth the drama. Far better investment to mate up to a US based supplier and develop something stateside, whether "bolt on" or not. The market is also NOT in B5's, but in the rest of the Audi lineup (RS3, TTRS, S6/7, and particular, the VW side, since there are far more of those made/sold and modded)

This is the inherent risk when you mod your car. Some parts are obviously better than others, but expecting true OE consistency is begging to be let down. I don't care what the price point of the product is. It's, at best, a gamble. Even the OEM's get things wrong (ie, early S6/S7 turbos). But, they have the resources in place to solve these issues for the bulk of the customer base, without charging them. There's no aftermarket company that can, or will, do this, because it's financially impossible. I learned this a long, long time ago. Some times I'm willing to gamble, and other times, I'm not. It's at best, a calculated risk.

[RS6Tuner]

I wasn't saying it did. I was just saying that turbo they said a 5mm. Which is too small. And that's causing the breakage. I was just giving info on shaft size. That a k04 turbo shaft is this size. And k16 shaft is this size. I didn't say the is38 has anything to do with TTE turbos. And I didn't post that video. Mocke did saying you said that turbo was a TTE turbo. That you admitted that was your turbo. But in the comments on the video the poster even said he didn't how you could say it was your turbo without seeing it in hand. Bc they show nothing about branding or names.

2003 A6 2.7T 6spd Stage 1+ (motor pulled for stage 3+ upgrades)

2001 Allroad TIP Stage 1
2006 A3 2.0T 6spd Stage 1

Cool.[up]

The Video is from last year. See I commented to Mocke about it being more generalized but you cant talk to this guy as he freaks out and accuses you of attacking... Most turbo companies use this type of shaft in IS38 hybrids now. We did use that or similar shaft/turbine wheel in video on the discontinued(2018) TTE525R launched in 2014/15. Now I don’t know it is a TTE 100% but it is similar and if it is, it’s an old unit and I can’t say is not a South African rebuild of a TTE. So not sure on bearings so on who knows… You see what I see and its not clear.

TTE525R IS38 : http://www.audi-sport.net/xf/threads/tte525r-upgrade-performance-turbocharger-golf-r-gti-mk-7-s1-s3-8v-tts-cupra-sc-5f-octavia-vrs.261889/



See my point was that this is a particularly easy to break this turbo in stock and hybrid form as is an electronic wastegate and was really the first in performance hatchback. Loads of IS38 upgrades and stock turbos have been broke.(Just google is38 failure) It took a long time for ECU tuners to figure out calibrations. With a electronic gate if you’re not experienced it will boost too destruction and there was issues. When we was seeing failures we would ask for logs and many times we would find issues and there was trend to boost more and more… it was a 500-525HP unit on 98-102ron under 2 bar but guys was pushing 2.2-2.4 and even more

Now days on our IS38 hybrids failures are extremely low as everything is developed and limits are known yet same shaft size.

[james 408]

the stockholm syndrome defense isn't widely accepted, for the record.

There's a big gap between honesty and ethical/legal behavior versus being cussed out publicly. Spreading misinformation directly and/or through intermediaries and deliberately not coming clean on any of it... [down]

Instead of disciplining you F'd the guy over who contributed greatly to the charade. Then you have a public berating match. I mean I'd understand if it was any of this stuff in isolation, with steps to correct it... but the whole package... This is gross.

[tjb616]

The volume and margin are likely not worth the drama. Far better investment to mate up to a US based supplier and develop something stateside, whether "bolt on" or not. The market is also NOT in B5's, but in the rest of the Audi lineup (RS3, TTRS, S6/7, and particular, the VW side, since there are far more of those made/sold and modded)

This is the inherent risk when you mod your car. Some parts are obviously better than others, but expecting true OE consistency is begging to be let down. I don't care what the price point of the product is. It's, at best, a gamble. Even the OEM's get things wrong (ie, early S6/S7 turbos). But, they have the resources in place to solve these issues for the bulk of the customer base, without charging them. There's no aftermarket company that can, or will, do this, because it's financially impossible. I learned this a long, long time ago. Some times I'm willing to gamble, and other times, I'm not. It's at best, a calculated risk.

Well I wouldn't think they'd take my suggestion without also supporting the more modern and relevant platforms they offer products for stateside. So I believe we're in agreement there.

We all know the risks of modifying cars. That doesn't excuse a drastic departure from the cost and quality correlation, nor poor customer service. Regardless of the truisms in your second paragraph, small companies still have the same obligation to deliver on the expectations they set as large corporations do.

[RMode]

Well I wouldn't think they'd take my suggestion without also supporting the more modern and relevant platforms they offer products for stateside. So I believe we're in agreement there.

We all know the risks of modifying cars. That doesn't excuse a drastic departure from the cost and quality correlation, nor poor customer service. Regardless of the truisms in your second paragraph, small companies still have the same obligation to deliver on the expectations they set as large corporations do.

Thing is, we have no idea what was used, say, on the B5 platform years ago, vs what is used now, with respect to this brands offerings. None of us here, not even the people tossing the arrows, are engineers by my guess. We also have so many variables. Were new oil lines used? If so, whos? New coolant lines? What was the mechanical condition before the mods began? From simple things, to more complex things, there are far too many (bad pun) moving parts, and cooks in the kitchen, to often actually determine "this is why abc's setup blew up". There is also always going to be someone, somewhere, who had a bad experience with a product that prior to that point, was widely used with generally favorable results. Tuners blame products, product manufacturers blame outside forces they can't control, and the merry go round, keeps going round. Happens on this, and every other platform, for better or worse. This is why many shops choose the staged approach - it often leaves power on the table, but, it's consistent, and those in things for the long haul tend to be faced with far less issues to deal with. No shop or tuner wants to be married to a customer car afterall.

To say we all understand the risks when modding, I have to disagree. Unfortunately, we all don't view things the same way. I know who's products I trust, and who's I am willing to take a risk on (and who's I'm not). But I also have the benefit of experience, disappointment, money spent, and a lot of projects under my belt. Everyone has a different vantage point depending upon where in this modding game they are.

[Imho]

to be honest i do not believe those 2% failure ratio... at least not be reading this thread.. or maybe you mean that only 2% was rebuild with no charges ? ;)

[RMode]

to be honest i do not believe those 2% failure ratio... at least not be reading this thread.. or maybe you mean that only 2% was rebuild with no charges ? ;)

you will never get the answer from any brand or rebuilder, so it's really a meaningless figure.

[Silverex]

Other than the 1-2 that failed in this thread I’ve seen maybe one more elsewhere.....I wouldn’t be surprised if it was around 2%
But like mentioned you’ll never get the exact numbers from manufacturer.

[Mocke]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?fbclid=IwAR2Oxiic6JJpLlv_uK-32dPwDemOqvwbEWI_FW0Vmk7Xb_Xg3ucpM4EpN8E&v=6ygJO_tCMpw&feature=youtu.be


Here is another video that goes aline with the previous one desassabmling the TTE product.
Sent by a enthusiast to us.

This guy is no tech obviously, just another rundom enthusiast as any here. You dont need to be tech, a comon sence, and even minor understanding of turbocharged cars is enough to understand that these products philosphy Is not up to task.

As it was done with Loba back in the days ( same Simon Sharp selling those, same engeneering that is used in TTE now) which was an obvious failiour ended up in lawsuits, Loba was publicly known as heat fans, as tossing bigger and bigger wheels in stock RS6 housing just does not work reliably as proven.
For that reason Loba600 with OE RS6 turbineshaft was the only charger that actually produced predicted power, where flagships as L0700, L0750 failed naturally.
TTEs saviour compared to Lobas back then that E85 became popular. With E85 running colder power with bigger wheels was enabled.
Petrol that is mostly availbale to everyone is a No-GO. It will run too hot, gases will expand lots more and create huge backpressure and this is why all hybrids has terrible spool and creates way less power, mostly ending up by melting.

To put this is todays terms.
TTE780 and TTE880.
Extremally huge wheels in still the same RS6 housing.
TTE880 can directly be compared to the video above where wheels that needs twice the housing size both on compside and turbine side are managed to be used in relativly small K06 hosing.
TTE880 has sold about 20 units last year.
There is litterally just 2-3 known running. Many failiours, where even TTE when contacted doesn`t know what to do with it, but offering customers to go 780s instead.
After this the use of bigger oil pump is suggested by TTE.

Both TTE780 and TTE880 are rated at 650bhp only now - check TTEGLOBAL for that.
Considering this Natural question is: Why would you pay twice the money for the same performance as OE RS6 based turbocharger itc? No mentioneing about all the addons needed to support 780s and 880s, and stil have no warranty? There are many other aftermarket manufacturers that makes thes chargers and still uses proven OE RS6 shafts that are supported by the housings capabilites. Way less costs and 100% more reliable for similar power. Less peak but more range.

To tell people that failiours rate of TTE turbos is only 2% is a direct lie.
The fail rate is far above 50%,as i have seen and thats been reported to me and in many cases where customers have had multiple failiours with same products that was sent in - refubed where customer had to pay for everything and failed again.
These customers has had different builders, different tuners, only thing incomon was that TTE turbos failed basiclly out of the box at first pulls or at baseline. No power ever made.

Regards.


For all of you that is sending DMs to me or Emails with your expiriences and opinions, Thank you, but plz I can not share your stories. Do it youself, you are not doing anything wrong. You are helping others to make a better choice.
Simon can not call everyone a nutjob, after all.

Also, I was told that Simon is sending legal documents ( invoiices between my and his company) to 3rd parties. This is direct breaking the GDPR law.
It also tells you the lows and Ethics of this guy.

[Stage_3]

At one point I strongly considered using TTE turbos, but with more drama than real success stories, at the price point, it is now impossible for me to justify dropping $5k for snails that may or may not work/be warrantied.

My lesson learned - use PJBW turbos, RS4 or RS6 modified to fit with E85 for reliable use and a good powerband. If 500whp isn't enough for you on a B5, you should really look at more reliable/proven motor applications (winking at big turbo 5cylinder as I say this). Best of luck to everyone who plans to use TTE/is using. I am very interested to find mileage to cross reference against reliability, but seems like the few people stateside only have a few k miles.. not enough data or good word of mouth to take the plunge.

[AudiAR01]

Both the rs4 turbo and rs6 turbos are made the way they are bc Borg Warner more than likely put the largest wheels in them that they can, SAFELY. I'm sure they have some safety specs that are over rated. To help keep longevity. The size wheels are made in direct correlation to shaft size. It's only common sense to say if you go larger wheels essentially you should use a larger shaft size, at a certain point. Just the same as rods. Our factory rods can only handle so much. Like the 2.7t rods with k03s. Comes from the factory rates at 250hp. People are pushing close to 500chp with our rods. Bc they are stronger than the factory rating Audi puts them out at. So they last as long as possible. If they came outta the factory with 500chp the rods more than likely wouldn't last for upwards of 200k+ miles which a lot of these motors have now. Same goes for the turbos. In both the k03, and k04s. If they were set at Max power the longetivity would go out the window. I'm sure Audi and Borg Warner did years of RnD. And put the size wheels in the rs6 turbo as they could and put a shaft at the size for a reason. If you start playing with wheel size pushing them harder to a certain point they still hold and do well. But after so far. They break. And apparently at the wheel size of the 660s, 770s, 780s, 880s. Maybe just past the point of holding. Just like pushing past 500chp in most cases people are throwing and breaking rods. So you upgrade to better rods. If you wanna go bigger than a rs6 turbo. To me it's not smart for longevity to use the rs6 shafts with much larger wheels. Especially in the exhaust housings that come factory with some boring and honing to make it larger. Start with a turbo that is designed with a larger hot side and larger wheels straight from the manufacturer. Not just taking a something factory and making it larger past a certain point. Or find a shaft that is also larger than factory rs6 shaft and have the CHRA's bored out to be able use a larger shaft if you want larger wheels. I know our platform doesn't have a keen supply of larger turbos. But make custom manifolds to use a different flange over the KKK frame triangle. Or use factory manifolds with a KKK to t25 flange or so. That you can buy larger turbos that come manufacturer with a giant wheel already. Not just someone who does some machining and swap parts. Seems once you get past a certain flow rate the hot side candle it's causing problems. There should have been some more RnD done on the turbos. Some more test done to see where the choking point is the factory turbos. Which can be seen from a compressor map. So far past that point is too far. I understand theres only so big you can go using factory mounting. And some people want bigger than that. And once you start wanting more than that the bigger turbos have tons of lag and don't spool till way up in the rpm range. And our cars arent setup to spool something like a Honda does and revs clear to 9-9500rpm. Without building the head with all new moving parts. So if you need more than rs6 power or just above past that. I suggest a fully built head and a turbo that can push that kindve power from a well known turbo manufacturer that has been in the game since the early 50s. Like Honeywell and or Garret, or even BW. Which have turbo that can produce 1100+ HP. Not downing TTE in anyway. They tried to provide turbos to go past the rs6 power line. And apparently they're past the point that they can handle. And there's comes a risk when buying aftermarkets in any category. I don't think it was handled right. But I also know the rs6 shaft can only handle so much. The wheels in the larger turbos is past that point. I would suggest taking the 770s, 780s, and larger to put a larger shaft above 7mm and that will stop the breaking shafts. It is possible to throw a 9mm shaft in there. May have to have them custom made. Which is added costs. But at the price point they are now. They should already have a larger shaft.

2003 A6 2.7T 6spd Stage 1+ (motor pulled for stage 3+ upgrades)

2001 Allroad TIP Stage 1
2006 A3 2.0T 6spd Stage 1

[RS6Tuner]

Ethics....

This is the guy that was ranting at me, calling me a NAZI I think and mentioning crazy stuff of croatia war or something, all for asking you politely to stop being negative of other tuner businesses in TTE OWNERS Group and then moderating you because I didn't want the drama and trouble you like to create.

And lets not forget the swearing and ranting and demands to remove a RS4 video i shared that you claimed was your stolen software with threats of if i don't remove "Theturboengineers will get involved in ugly shit" as your take to the forums... all totally false and proven was actually a Dalhback tuned on a standalone and the customer didn't want to tell you had gone to another tuner as was scared of trouble with you.. because a was competitor of yours and another company you critic and tell lies about.

Also you told lies above to your customers about 20% discount when in fact you got 25% discount on the actual orders cancelled and refunded.

I Remember also you trading as TUNEDBYMOCKE wanting to be a dealer and didn't even have a VAT ID or website as was just starting out and i allowed to give a chance and was given 20% discount and you was chuffed with it.. Now you criticize me if any other dealer gets a TTE account and is an actual tuning business with a VAT ID and website.

lets not forget you was telling all that TTE was gold days before the dispute and calling me buddy and mate in private conversations not long ago, now you got told you cannot sell TTE we are bad and i am the most hated guy in tuning.

IF you had got your way, you still would be selling and telling all TTE are gold.


P.S. Some guys have messaged and phoned me also with support with regards to your post here and other places.

[csobel]

Business issues aside, I feel this thread is about equivalent to the mainstream news cycle — full of speculation, anecdotal reports, “I knew a guy/lots of guys” etc. Quite a few people have shared good experiences with TTE products, and there are many, many out there to form a pool of reference. Some bad, for sure, but when you’re building 600 hp cars and most of them don’t even run that well when they hit the road for the first few hundred/thousand miles it becomes very difficult to separate user error from inherent design flaws. I have not seen any proof of these supposed design flaws or China cores specific to our platform. My 880’s looked top notch compared to the K24’s I had before and the customer service has been prompt and professional.

In my limited experience we couldn’t even get my SRM car tuned due to inherent turbo issues. At least my TTE runs well now — I hope it will do so for many more miles and that’s the point of a thread like this is to share direct personal experience. If anything changes ya’ll will be the first to know!

[Mocke]

Sorry for late replay, I `v been fighting some bad Covid last months.
Catching up on everything.
This is goona be a long one.

2%??? Seriously???

Simple math.
Lets just have a look on this forum and TTE % failours. Its all here for the confirmation.


1. RNagy- TTE780 premature fail - sent in for repair - still surged.

2. ChanceParks - TTE780 premature fail - not even an answer.
Repaired - working now to my knowledge.

3. Vr6Boomber - TTE600 premature fail after 1000miles - not even an answer.
780s - working now to my knowledge.

4. GundeSvan - TTE780 fail + TTE880 premature fail.
( JFYI Gunde - Fredrik, you bought the motor from also had TTE780 fail and sent in.
880s now - working to my knowledge.

5. Jorn - TTE780 premature fail after just receiving them from being refubed by TTE - no answers.
Now TTE880 works

6. Me - TTE780 - no issues

7. Jcanni - TTE550 - no issues to my knowledge

8. CSobel - TTE880 - no issues to my knowledge


7 failed
7 working - not sure on what power levels though.I dont see any besides mine doing any hard numbers or performance.

This is 50% failiour on this little site alone. Please if there is more - correct me.
You guys need to understand that US market is BIG market, but its the last market EU products find their way to. TTE just started to make its way here.
You need to join EU forums ( UK and Specially German) to see n read about TTE failours. Oh boy.

What 2%?? 2% is practiced answer by Simon to anyone who askes. First one is "our turbos don`t fail".
He is like a parrot. Repiding two sentences. Simply, lying to your face.


TTE turbos has massive failour rate.


Another thing worth mentioning:

As i said in the beggining, this is how Simon works.
He insults and degrades the same people that he was depending on to get feedback and results on TTEs products.
TTE does not have any testing on products. Its you guys that are guinea pigs on your own cost. So his complete work is based on marketing yours, shops, tuners expirinces, He just reposts it on his site and forum. So, without your ( our) work - he has no work.

Everyone is small ( smalltime) - according to Simon.

Well, he is Mr BIG!!
This is how big he is:

He has acsess to TTEs account, his own Simon Sharp, Shart Motorsport and THE-Tuner`s.

He uses THE-Tuners account to promote his own TTE crap as he has no Cred with his own.
Then he goes in from all those accounts and likes his own post.
Man - you are HUGE!!!
He is also inpersonating THE-Tuner and giving lame answers to customers that had product complaints or threatening them to delite pictures and never post anywhere.
Andi - THE-Tuner is a nice guy. His English is bad and he never talks back to people.
I mean - Simon you are HUGE, hiding behind others names and credibilities.


I mean this guy is so BIIIIIG, that he accused IrozMotorsport for not doing any work inhouse. Seriously?? Hahahaha.
That he calls " Stertman Motorsport" for small ( they are the biggest and most respected in Sweden - look them up. These are the first guys that for severel years recognized massive TTE failiours and would not play Simons game.

MRC - they built n tuned his RS4 b5. He got some minor trouble, started called them out in the open.
They just closed the door for him. He had to begg me to tune his car, which i refused ofc as i knew even back then 6 years ago he was a backstabber.
Then he blew up his motor as naturally he has no understanding of anythig regarding building or tuning or simple rookie thing like monotoring your AFRs.

Phill - RS4 Limo. When his RS4 Limo burned down - he was crying openly asking everyone to remove the burning pictures as it was hard for him to watch.
Simon was told to remove, Did he?? Ofc NOT, He took the situation to throw some shit on Phill instead as being a dramaqueen.
Remember - RS4Limo made TTE. Its becouse that car - TTE got their name.
You are so SOOO BIG in your greatfulness. MASSIVE!!

This list goes on and on, there is no old associate he hasen`t degraded and insulted if it doesnt go his way.
Me.
20 sets TTE880s sold last year, 5 of that on my table. Just a 1/4th of everything sold WWW, but yes we are small as we choose quality not quantity.
I turn down 8/10 projects. I turned you down years ago as you are an asshole. Still my favorite saved dumps.

Simon - The only one that is small here is YOU. You have no spine or balls, You are not a man. You are a hassler, a pathetic lier. The circle is closing on you.
The more you run your mouth - the more attention you are bringing to yourself and your BS will not stand for pressure.
This is not your TTE friend n family forum where you are deliting all true data and opinions that doeas not serve you selling more turbos.
The best thing that happend to you is that messanger upgraded with function, so you can delite your comments.

This is how his conversations look like as i said in the begining.
This is a person you listen too?
Here, he is attacking me for that video i posted without even knowing it was about TTE, insulting that Tech in video as being stupid South African, no engeener etc... The thing that started all this, Then he delites evrything and changes the tone. Spineless!!


https://i.ibb.co/kDQ5JHD/Foto-2021-03-31-22-07-47.png


Back on Topic.

More TTE Failours.
This is a recent ( happening now ) horrific story.
This guy is from UK and has 2 RS4 B5s.
Between them, he has had 4 TTE failours to date, never making any considarable power.
3 x 780s
1 x 880

From MRC - no car seen more then 1.7 bar ( 24ish psi) - 2x780s - failed. After that came to me. Non has been tuned yet.
880s run 1.5 bar as there was only one f.pump in car. Started gradually smoking after a week. 780s only 1 bar base. I just heard the other day - also started to burn oil.

One car is built by MRC, the other by UKs very well known B5 parts seller and mechanic, I bet many of you have bought parts from him
Simon tried by any means to blame both the owner and the mechanic ( and these guys are friends or supposed to be) as he usually do - blaming everyone.
Well, he did not actually blame me as cars was not tuned luckily, i´ll give him that.
I am not sure how all this will endup for this owner, but these cars can not be tuned when turbos are failing like it was touys from MCDonalds kids burger package.

Simon openly tells ppl - we are only one chain in the equation.
So many other things can happen.
True that BUT!! This same rule applies to BorgWarner and Garrett turbos and i have never ever in my 14 years of ownership of B5 seen or heard so many failiours with pjk04 or OE RS6.
No!! Your turbos are crappy China wheel production nodays. Simple as that, as any 1/3 of the price China turbo, that is hit or miss.
Its an old platform and you can not justify incomes vs quality. All the attention is on new platforms.
Which brings me to my first point. TTE is dead for this platform.


Remindes me:
I was one of the first persons in EU to have SRM K24s, way before ppl knew about them,like 6-7 years ago.
Me and a couple of other guys jumped on that train one summer.
They all failed but one that needed OE WGs - that car ran.

I openly wrote about this on this very forum, telling ppl that this was a bad, cheap product from China.
I got so much shit from every direction on this forum, as i am getting now.
Jump forward to now - everything i warned about back then about SRM is common knowledge to everyone.
Cheap hit or miss product, non reliable, extremely bad customer service.... Common knowledge today.

What I am telling you about TTE now - will be common knowledge in soon future.


And btw - I see couple ppl giving me shit n their 0.2 cents on every sentence i write and playing DR Phill on this forum, not even being a TTE owners,
I am pretty sure i helped you here in one or another way. Why are you pretending like i am taking something from you with all this information?
You dont belive me? Fine - no problem, Find out yourself. Drop 5k on TTE turbos and another 30k for accessories and building motor and then come back and share your experience.


Cheers.

[S4James]

In my limited experience we couldn’t even get my SRM car tuned due to inherent turbo issues. At least my TTE runs well now — I hope it will do so for many more miles and that’s the point of a thread like this is to share direct personal experience. If anything changes ya’ll will be the first to know!


Reading your thread, it seems your "inherent turbo issues" were more related to the tune than anything, seemed like you bolted on the TTE's then had the exact same boost characteristics that made you ditch the SRM units until you were able to correct them. I had an issue with overboosting on mine that just needed some revisions to get the n75 working properly for example..

[RMode]

the two most vocal are also the two who currently profit, or previously profited, from the product(s)

[AudiAR01]

I think all the first batch of turbos ended up ok. And that's what started th train bandwagon. The 550s seem ok bc they're not much larger than k04s. So they can hold the bigger wheels. I've yet to hear about 550s blowing or having problems. But when you get into the 660s and bigger it seems problems arise. The first batch seemed ok. Then they started selling. And pretty much as any company does. They wanna make more money. So they start to source parts elsewhere. So save money and make more per sale. And I think they sourced CHRA's from a shitty supplier. I'd almost bet ya. But that's just my opinion and is mere speculation. But to me that's what it seems like. All the first ones sold there seemed to be no problems. Then all the sudden they started blowing. Something changed. Just my opinion no facts to base my comment on looking in from the outside. But there has been so many not just on here. There's several on FB that have blown too. Again no 550s. Just the larger sizes turbos. But it's enough that I wouldn't go any larger than 550s from TTE. And I wanted to. For this build. But nothing larger seems to last than the tried true BW k04 frame.

2003 A6 2.7T 6spd Stage 1+ (motor pulled for stage 3+ upgrades)

2001 Allroad TIP Stage 1
2006 A3 2.0T 6spd Stage 1

[Silverex]

the two most vocal are also the two who currently profit, or previously profited, from the product(s)

100% agree. Especially when they don’t show any pictures or any proof that they failed from manufacturing issues.

[AudiAR01]

100% agree. Especially when they don’t show any pictures or any proof that they failed from manufacturing issues.I can tell by parts used that the wheels are way too big for the shafts they're using. They're using a 7mm shaft. With huge wheels. There's a few YouTube videos of the shafts snapped in half. Our k04 turbos have 7mm shafts. The 770s and larger should at least have a 9mm shaft for the size of the wheels being used. When the wheels get to big it causes the shafts to flex which is what is causing bearings to fail and shafts to break. Once th shaft flexes it allows axial play which is then letting the comp wheels hit as well. And when the shaft flexes and not spinning true is wears spots in the thrust bearing. Then let's it have back n fourth play. The rs6 shaft is also 7mm on the turbine side and 4.6mm on the compressor side. So running a wheel thats that large on a 4.6mm shaft spinning at 150,×××rpm you can bet your sweet ass the shaft is gonna flex. At the price of TTE turbos and the size of the wheels there should definitely be a larger shaft size that was upgraded as well. Just my own personal speculation and observations...

2003 A6 2.7T 6spd Stage 1+ (motor pulled for stage 3+ upgrades)

2001 Allroad TIP Stage 1
2006 A3 2.0T 6spd Stage 1

[TighTT]

I have been dealing with Mocke on several builds for years now. Is he confident in his skills? Yes. But thats because he knows what he's doing when it comes to tuning these cars. Those who are bashing him probably have only read things about him and never actually worked alongside him.

Regarding TTE, I run their 550's on my 3 liter cactus car and have nothing but good things to say. My 950 car will be up and running again (due to a tensioner failure) and we'll see how they compare to my old Tial770 setup. =)

Thats my $.02

[james 408]

or because he's made absurdly false claims repeatedly, and he's being called a liar and calling the people he worked for liars. so... so much for that theory.

let's not mention that the very company he is now calling frauds, and who is calling him a fraud, is the very company he claims to be the primary spreader of information for. I mean the man has self-proclaimed himself to be a fraud, he's... a remarkable specimen. It's an interesting line you now try to walk as you try to play both sides while stating an obvious false reality that the company he was contracted with has not worked with him. Not surprising considering you were defending both of them in their misrepresentations a year ago.


Like honestly, i don't give a crap if you were wrong, i won't hold a grudge, but let's not pile bs on top of bs. face reality. The fact is you knew he was lying a year ago, as did almost everyone defending him, just as you know you're lying now -- i mean it's simply indisputable. There is no line of logic or facts that in any way supports this bs. it's objectively false.

you mean the video of the run is not the video of the run? and that's why the 0.7 second shift isn't shown in the video or any video he's ever posted, but they're all 0.7 second shifts? I see. and the weight of the vehicle is 4100lbs, but that includes both driver and passenger even though the passenger wasn't in it? and the passenger weight wasn't included but using your numbers that's the only way you get there? i see. And your justification for this is adding an EU weight, plus your weight, plus your passengers weight, and this is how you come up with the weight of the timed run? And you always weigh customer vehicles but you haven't weighed this one? uh huh. And the company he's a distributor for never did business with him? uh huh. anything else you'd like to come clean about? would that be the extensive racing experience that consists of one track visit for roll racing? got it. can you show the dyno again for the effect of a manifold or was that tuned out? uh huh. but it's the fastest ever right? compared to... nothing? i see. Must be the genuine BW turbos that aren't genuine BW turbos revolutionizing the market using the same parts from 20 years ago.

yeah... the problem is that we're buying into rumor alright, has nothing to do with his own actions.

[Silverex]

I can tell by parts used that the wheels are way too big for the shafts they're using. They're using a 7mm shaft.

According to their post, in this thread, they use a K16 sized shaft which you stated earlier is 8.42mm


I have been dealing with Mocke on several builds for years now. Is he confident in his skills? Yes. But thats because he knows what he's doing when it comes to tuning these cars. Those who are bashing him probably have only read things about him and never actually worked alongside him.

Regarding TTE, I run their 550's on my 3 liter cactus car and have nothing but good things to say. My 950 car will be up and running again (due to a tensioner failure) and we'll see how they compare to my old Tial770 setup. =)

Thats my $.02

I don’t see many people bashing him other than maybe one guy? Im just asking for data/info on failures and would be nice if others posted in with their personal issues instead of him saying this guys and this guy had issues so they are China junk. Not for nothing but praising the turbos weeks prior and only after them cutting him off is when he starts saying they are crap kinda makes me suspect without some proof. Since at the end of day turbos can fail for a bunch of reasons, and I’m sure your typical car guy could overlook them. Or they could be using sub par parts/assembly/QC and are complete junk but I like to see things with my own eyes before making judgments

[james 408]

silverex they're hacked together units by a small company, there's no QC. rs6tuner and mocke are identical personalities, they're both frauds. nobody knows the answer, but you wanna deal with known frauds because the product might be good, you're just asking for it. go elsewhere man. These guys are so full of shit, they're literally screwing each other over and calling each other liars, i dunno why you'd need to know anything more about them. If you think any of the other distributors are going to give you a straight answer, i mean they've already proven they're gonna stand by the dollar. I would advise everyone 10 foot pole this circus.

[Silverex]

I’m mainly looking for customer first hand experiences. .Im good on guys acting like a bunch of high school bitches.

While TTE is a small company saying they hack units together couldn’t be further from the truth. Just take a look at any videos of their shop and find me another turbo company for our platform that’s better. Unfortunately there’s not a lot of options but I’m holding off for more data on The Tuners new exhaust housing anyway....hoping it’s a game changer.

[S4James]

my suspicion is this new housing is just like a lot of other china dropship/resellers new housing IE straight from asia.

[james 408]

suit yourself silver. the global distributor is the other fastest ever, they f'd each other over after tag-team spreading the same bs, and their vendors stood by and aided the lies. but hey, hope it works out for ya. better be a darn good video.

[TighTT]

or because he's made absurdly false claims repeatedly, and he's being called a liar and calling the people he worked for liars. so... so much for that theory.

let's not mention that the very company he is now calling frauds, and who is calling him a fraud, is the very company he claims to be the primary spreader of information for. I mean the man has self-proclaimed himself to be a fraud, he's... a remarkable specimen. It's an interesting line you now try to walk as you try to play both sides while stating an obvious false reality that the company he was contracted with has not worked with him. Not surprising considering you were defending both of them in their misrepresentations a year ago.


Like honestly, i don't give a crap if you were wrong, i won't hold a grudge, but let's not pile bs on top of bs. face reality. The fact is you knew he was lying a year ago, as did almost everyone defending him, just as you know you're lying now -- i mean it's simply indisputable. There is no line of logic or facts that in any way supports this bs. it's objectively false.

you mean the video of the run is not the video of the run? and that's why the 0.7 second shift isn't shown in the video or any video he's ever posted, but they're all 0.7 second shifts? I see. and the weight of the vehicle is 4100lbs, but that includes both driver and passenger even though the passenger wasn't in it? and the passenger weight wasn't included but using your numbers that's the only way you get there? i see. And your justification for this is adding an EU weight, plus your weight, plus your passengers weight, and this is how you come up with the weight of the timed run? And you always weigh customer vehicles but you haven't weighed this one? uh huh. And the company he's a distributor for never did business with him? uh huh. anything else you'd like to come clean about? would that be the extensive racing experience that consists of one track visit for roll racing? got it. can you show the dyno again for the effect of a manifold or was that tuned out? uh huh. but it's the fastest ever right? compared to... nothing? i see. Must be the genuine BW turbos that aren't genuine BW turbos revolutionizing the market using the same parts from 20 years ago.

yeah... the problem is that we're buying into rumor alright, has nothing to do with his own actions.

Who are you talking to??

[CELison]

You just have to ignore his crazy rants.

https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/51088730301_2bd73ec974_c.jpg

[VR6Bomber]

silverex they're hacked together units by a small company, there's no QC. rs6tuner and mocke are identical personalities, they're both frauds. nobody knows the answer, but you wanna deal with known frauds because the product might be good, you're just asking for it. go elsewhere man. These guys are so full of shit, they're literally screwing each other over and calling each other liars, i dunno why you'd need to know anything more about them. If you think any of the other distributors are going to give you a straight answer, i mean they've already proven they're gonna stand by the dollar. I would advise everyone 10 foot pole this circus.With all due respect James,

First how do you know these people and their businesses? I don't mean what you have read here on AZ.

Second, do you have first hand experiences with either of their products? Have you owned TTEs?

I think that your comments require qualification and I ask because I do not know.

[james 408]

So they've got a history of lying and screwing people over, but, goddamn is that shiny, I'm in. this is a remarkable stage of history, like people just can't help themselves.

uh huh... and have you actually stuck your dingy in the electrical socket? so how do you know?

[james 408]

look i'm going to say the same thing I said a year ago: they're full of it, evidence suggests (including their own statements) that it's the same product from 20 years ago. that's all I know, that's all I need to know. you wanna have some insane argument again defending the indefensible, be my guest, but I'm checking out again, see ya in a year when the body pile is deeper.

[TighTT]

So they've got a history of lying and screwing people over, but, goddamn is that shiny, I'm in. this is a remarkable stage of history, like people just can't help themselves.

uh huh... and have you actually stuck your dingy in the electrical socket? so how do you know?

Do you think those of us that are happy with the product are being paid off or something??? Am I on the TTE payroll? No. Just telling my experiences thus far.

[james 408]

are you? cause it looks to me like you're spreading complete bullshit that has nothing to do with your experience. it's the same people who helped spread the bs in the first place going around spreading more bs. yeah mocke never worked with tte and I'm calling him a liar, just like tte, because I heard that he was a liar. That's an interesting experience you're sharing. I need to stop reading this BS, it's just so stupid.

Like every time one of these guys says something stupid and false, they come back with something stupid and false to defend it. It's a never-ending circle of nonsense.

cel following me around arguing with me to prove to me he's not, and marketing material being cited as evidence against fraud. jesus.

[VR6Bomber]

are you? cause it looks to me like you're spreading complete bullshit that has nothing to do with your experience. it's the same people who helped spread the bs in the first place going around spreading more bs. yeah mocke never worked with tte and I'm calling him a liar, just like tte, because I heard that he was a liar. That's an interesting experience you're sharing. I need to stop reading this BS, it's just so stupid.

Like every time one of these guys says something stupid and false, they come back with something stupid and false to defend it. It's a never-ending circle of nonsense.

Continuing to repeat your personal issues with others is neither entertaining nor informative to this thread.
Honestly, Your opinion seems heavily discounted at this point.

Let's keep the thread informative.

[dozer103]

Continuing to repeat your personal issues with others is neither entertaining nor informative to this thread.
Honestly, Your opinion seems heavily discounted at this point.

Let's keep the thread informative.

Hear hear.

[Silverex]

my suspicion is this new housing is just like a lot of other china dropship/resellers new housing IE straight from asia.

They are cast from heat-resistant stainless steel 1.4848 and from the videos of them casting some of their other products it doesn’t look to be done in Asia. But even if you was who cares, it’s a casting so as long as the metal is quality (unlike other eBay turbine housings) and it fits I don’t care where it’s made. You guys act like anything that comes out of China is garbage yet basically everything you own has something made from China.


Continuing to repeat your personal issues with others is neither entertaining nor informative to this thread.
Honestly, Your opinion seems heavily discounted at this point.

Let's keep the thread informative.
100% agree and unfortunately feel the same way about Mockes posts recently and why I keep asking to see more first hand data on the failures.

[james 408]

he gave you first hand failures, they were uncontested. nonworking turbos were delivered to the client, repeatedly. ergo no QC. it is also a small company, this is uncontested. Instead of accepting the direct evidence, you argued it was an insane conclusion, ignored the direct evidence, and instead put 100% weighting on a marketing video for a company shown to have repeatedly put out misleading and false material. This is beyond my comprehension, not only as an auditor, but as a human being.

the level of idiocy and false statements being put out continues to surpass my wildest expectations.

this isn't a personal issue, this isn't a lack of informative. I understand the facts are heavily discounted in favor of absurd emotionally driven fantasy. This is not my fault, this is not my problem; i don't know why I care to try and prevent people from getting F'd over, like you seem hellbent on making it happen, so... go for it.

Like honestly just go buy the product, install it, and frankly shut up. Like i don't even want to hear from someone who can't stitch together a logical argument based on evidence. You're going to F over innocent people. It's like TighT, he's a happy customer, great, i'm happy for him, but he comes in here stating utter nonsense about mocke never worked with TTE and I'm like: hello, earth to moron, we lost connection.

[S4James]

They are cast from heat-resistant stainless steel 1.4848 and from the videos of them casting some of their other products it doesn’t look to be done in Asia. But even if you was who cares, it’s a casting so as long as the metal is quality (unlike other eBay turbine housings) and it fits I don’t care where it’s made. You guys act like anything that comes out of China is garbage yet basically everything you own has something made from China.

Dont lump me in with the china haters. Thats not the angle I was exploring. Certain other "china" resellers have been hinting about a new housing option for some time, and I suspect that they are all, including TTE getting their hands on the same casting. As for a tiny company like TTE running their own foundry? Ya that doesnt seem very likely to me. Its just a guess mind you.

Doing lost sand aluminum castings are fairly easy mind you, like backyard levels of technology are needed.. STEEL on the other hand is more complicated. And I dont think its cost effective for the small batches a little guy like TTE needs... However a casting available globally for all the other satellite shops to resell? Ya I can see it.

[Silverex]

he gave you first hand failures, they were uncontested. nonworking turbos were delivered to the client, repeatedly. ergo no QC. it is also a small company, this is uncontested. Instead of accepting the direct evidence, you argued it was an insane conclusion, ignored the direct evidence, and instead put 100% weighting on a marketing video for a company shown to have repeatedly put out misleading and false material. This is beyond my comprehension, not only as an auditor, but as a human being.
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Turbos can and do fail for a bunch of different reasons even BW/Garret/ETC , junk quality isn’t the only cause.
He never said turbos showed up non working but he did say some customers had issues with the newer variant turbine wheels snapping since its “China” (old style with BW K16 would still be good, like he has ran for a long time) but like I just mentioned turbos do fail for other reasons and why I was asking for more data on the failures

Just to be clear I haven’t said that their turbo don’t have issues or that they are the best out there, I have a very open mind but like all information available before I pass judgement


Dont lump me in with the china haters. Thats not the angle I was exploring. Certain other "china" resellers have been hinting about a new housing option for some time, and I suspect that they are all, including TTE getting their hands on the same casting. As for a tiny company like TTE running their own foundry? Ya that doesnt seem very likely to me. Its just a guess mind you.

Doing lost sand aluminum castings are fairly easy mind you, like backyard levels of technology are needed.. STEEL on the other hand is more complicated. And I dont think its cost effective for the small batches a little guy like TTE needs... However a casting available globally for all the other satellite shops to resell? Ya I can see it.
I apologize for assuming you thought China=junk.

I didn’t say TTE was making the turbine housing I said The-Tuner was, which from the parts I’ve gotten from them is by far the best part manufacturer for B5 S4. I extremely doubt they are subbing the work out to China but that just my opinion

I agree and again never said The-Tuner was running their in foundry, I said it didn’t look like it was being done in China I’m guessing they are using a company that’s more local. Their wastegate flaps are CNC on site tho.

Other larger bolt on turbines like SRM are supposedly making look like every other cheap housing just larger, while The Tuners is completely different and you can tell more thought/R&D went into it.

[RMode]

What I don't get is

You have BW and their 2 variants (K04 RS4 and K04 RS6) to take car up to the ~500whp level on pump gas here in the US. You have copies, and copies of copies for those who want to save a few dollars.

You have the Garrett and Xona options (as far as known, quality units) to take a car from 400whp to sky is essentially the limit for more custom setups.

There is literally an ass for every seat in this platform.

Do we care what any other company has to offer at this point? Why should or would we?

Some turbos went bad, for whatever reason. The % of sales, the % of users, the % who's turbos blew when there was a north by northeasterly wind...you'll never know why or how, the users themselves may not necessarily know, and at the end of the day, it's the aftermarket. So warranties are sort of not part of the equation by default. at the same time, some are happy with whatever flavor of unit they received. For those who remember, the car itself wasn't originally hailed as the second coming when it was new either by those who owned them. Some owners loved them, some hated them, and some still have a foot in both camps.

[Silverex]

What I don't get is

You have BW and their 2 variants (K04 RS4 and K04 RS6) to take car up to the ~500whp level on pump gas here in the US. You have copies, and copies of copies for those who want to save a few dollars.

You have the Garrett and Xona options (as far as known, quality units) to take a car from 400whp to sky is essentially the limit for more custom setups.

There is literally an ass for every seat in this platform.
While RS4 turbos are readily available and don’t cost much more than copies, RS6 turbos on the other hand require more work/time/money to get installed and why the knock offs are more popular IMO.
I think over the years it’s proven that Oe RS4 and RS6 are the tried and true way to go for 95% of the guys out there but for guys wanting more there’s not many bolt on options without doing a major jump up to Garrett’s/Xonas that requires a lot of different parts and are 800+ capable turbos. So it’s for the in between guys looking for 600-650ish WHP turbos


Some turbos went bad, for whatever reason. The % of sales, the % of users, the % who's turbos blew when there was a north by northeasterly wind...you'll never know why or how, the users themselves may not necessarily know, and at the end of the day, it's the aftermarket. So warranties are sort of not part of the equation by default. at the same time, some are happy with whatever flavor of unit they received. For those who remember, the car itself wasn't originally hailed as the second coming when it was new either by those who owned them. Some owners loved them, some hated them, and some still have a foot in both camps.
Couldn’t agree more!

[RMode]

The cost is the reason they are more popular I agree. But you’re trading front end cost for back end because they compromise reliability, and there isn’t really one that exists that can stay together with the consistency of the alternatives. When you look at the cost of the 600-650whp “bolt on units” (which aren’t exactly bolt on either) is not even close to the RS4/6 units (downpipes aside), to the point where the Garrett/Xona easily gives someone the flexibility to bolt on a myriad of turbos for any array of power range of power they seek beyond the 500whp level. A far better use of resources.

[james 408]

silver, i get that, but my understanding is they did show up not working. and it's not the only company that's had this same issue. it's a size, and quality control issue (partially due to size). this wasn't designed to paint the company as incompetent, it just is what it is. my primary beef is has and always will be deliberately misinforming, especially when overtly fraudulent. It also helps when they make an error if they don't blow up like little children. this is where this company fails, it's... full of fraudy douches. product not perfect is expected, frankly bw and tial are barely big enough to fully flush their product in a formal QC process. the small guys simply don't have the equipment. they literally don't have the machine to even do it.

That's why I don't understand why people are so insane, I mean I just stated what is literally market standard, and obvious fraud... and people just can't accept reality. they take it personally, even those completely uninvolved. It's not personal, and it sure as hell isn't worth making up a bunch of BS to try to cover it up.

I mean i'm not even kidding you, go back to thread one, and i'm like bro just admit it isn't a 0.7 second shift and a 4100 lb car or this is gonna get worse for you. He couldn't do it. It's just who he is as a person. Then half the damn community tried to defend the insane position. LIke christ almighty people... the hell is wrong with you.

[james 408]

The point is the product isn't revolutionary, it has the same performance as similar products. same faults, blah blah. The real issue with these guys is their character... might not be a big deal until you have a problem, then all of a sudden one of em might make some crap up and F you over. Exhibit A: mocke and rs6tuner decided to just F each other over and start calling the other a fraud. These just aren't people you wanna do business with. Go elsewhere, or you might get F'd for no good reason at all. The fact they're openly committing fraud, and accusing each other of it... well, i mean that's all you need to know. It's like with 034, like you might be fine, until all of a sudden Javad decides to back out of the verbal agreement for no good f'ing reason over a few grand like a complete douche. So now not only are you out a few grand, but then they f'd the car up too, and what are you gonna do about it? Nothing cause the guy's a fraud and you're f'd.

[jibberjive]

I'm running 880's now, and they also failed - this time in less than 30km... During clutch break in, Bearing housing came loose
Hey g-svan, what does "bearing housing came loose" mean? The nut came off of the turbine shaft? The bearings failed?

[Silverex]

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So you had a set of TTE600s fail? Could you shed some light on the issues you had and what they did for you?

[g_svan]

Hey g-svan, what does "bearing housing came loose" mean? The nut came off of the turbine shaft? The bearings failed?

Hi jibberjive,
the impeller could spin 5-10 degrees, so I'm guessing the bearing housing came loose in the chra. Tte didn't give an explanation, but they hinted oil starvation ;)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=btVWR53K6ow

[S4James]

They always pull that one out of the excuse tray.

[AudiAR01]

According to their post, in this thread, they use a K16 sized shaft which you stated earlier is 8.42mm



I don’t see many people bashing him other than maybe one guy? Im just asking for data/info on failures and would be nice if others posted in with their personal issues instead of him saying this guys and this guy had issues so they are China junk. Not for nothing but praising the turbos weeks prior and only after them cutting him off is when he starts saying they are crap kinda makes me suspect without some proof. Since at the end of day turbos can fail for a bunch of reasons, and I’m sure your typical car guy could overlook them. Or they could be using sub par parts/assembly/QC and are complete junk but I like to see things with my own eyes before making judgmentsI missed where they said k16 and that I replied to it. If they are k16 its 8.47mm but is only on the turbine side. The comp wheel side is only 5.4mm but that's now how they are measured. It is actually smaller than that. K16 and k14 use a 8.47mm journal bearing. Which means the shaft is even smaller diameter than that. Idk how much smaller.

2003 A6 2.7T 6spd Stage 1+ (motor pulled for stage 3+ upgrades)

2001 Allroad TIP Stage 1
2006 A3 2.0T 6spd Stage 1

[VR6Bomber]

So you had a set of TTE600s fail? Could you shed some light on the issues you had and what they did for you?

1000miles new, both turbos.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hUReYBBmWlk

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7SaomtAObfQ

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ojtvI9EOaMM.

The tune was not even finished nor were the turbos even pushed before both started smoking very badly at about 750 miles and I called it quits.

Contacted TTE and received what seemed to be a 'stock' reply.
Their return process was:
Remove and self ship the turbos to them. Wait 1 month inspection period. Cost to rebuild would be $3000(IIRC) if damages are out of warranty...
The treatment was not accommodating to say the least. Their reply communication was kind of, 'send them to us and we will let you know'. That's a rough thing to hear on a new $5000 turbo set.

I purchased the TTE600's through a US-based distributor.

[james 408]

"trust us, send us the evidence". This should be good. Hoping this isn't a prorated store credit based on a 1000 mile useful life deal, wouldn't be the first vendor.

Pretty sure mocke put up a couple lists iding what they'd say. IIRC there was about 18 things that were customers fault and about 2 that may possibly be the company's fault. Good luck.

[S4James]

3000$ to repair a turbo thats got about 500 bucks of parts stuffed into a machined BW hotside? jesus. If you are going to charge a fortune for turbos, at least have the decency to protect the customers better.

[AudiAR01]

1000miles new, both turbos.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hUReYBBmWlk

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7SaomtAObfQ

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ojtvI9EOaMM.

The tune was not even finished nor were the turbos even pushed before both started smoking very badly at about 750 miles and I called it quits.

Contacted TTE and received what seemed to be a 'stock' reply.
Their return process was:
Remove and self ship the turbos to them. Wait 1 month inspection period. Cost to rebuild would be $3000(IIRC) if damages are out of warranty...
The treatment was not accommodating to say the least. Their reply communication was kind of, 'send them to us and we will let you know'. That's a rough thing to hear on a new $5000 turbo set.

I purchased the TTE600's through a US-based distributor.Did you take the CHRA's out? Or did you send them back? That much movement looks like the thrust bearing gave out then allowed the journal to fail. I've taken so many turbos apart. You can always tell which goes first. The hole in the thrust bearing gets egg shaped usually first then it allows the journal to move. And then it fails. Just curious what type of thrust bearing is in it, and what journal bearing it is.

2003 A6 2.7T 6spd Stage 1+ (motor pulled for stage 3+ upgrades)

2001 Allroad TIP Stage 1
2006 A3 2.0T 6spd Stage 1

[Silverex]

1000miles new, both turbos.

The tune was not even finished nor were the turbos even pushed before both started smoking very badly at about 750 miles and I called it quits.

Contacted TTE and received what seemed to be a 'stock' reply.
Their return process was:
Remove and self ship the turbos to them. Wait 1 month inspection period. Cost to rebuild would be $3000(IIRC) if damages are out of warranty...
The treatment was not accommodating to say the least. Their reply communication was kind of, 'send them to us and we will let you know'. That's a rough thing to hear on a new $5000 turbo set.

I purchased the TTE600's through a US-based distributor.
Thanks for the info, I’m assuming you used new oil lines or cleaned yours out really well?
That’s a pretty shitty response and I’d be upset also!
So you paid 3k to get them fixed?....If you did what made you decide to keep running their turbos and go with the 780s?

[armageddon-]

TTE600 is basically a TTE550 with a RS6 turbine housing, so, the idea that k04 based are free of issues goes out the window.... perhaps because they stop using a rs6 turbine shaft and choose a k04-064 based shaft??

[VR6Bomber]

Thanks for the info, I’m assuming you used new oil lines or cleaned yours out really well?
That’s a pretty shitty response and I’d be upset also!
So you paid 3k to get them fixed?....If you did what made you decide to keep running their turbos and go with the 780s?


We did clean out and reuse the OE oil lines when the 600's were installed, blew them out with air, etc.

New Paragon lines were installed with the 780s, just in case there had been problem with the original oil lines.

I never sent the 600's for repair. I decided to purchase new 780's for a bit more.




If anyone wants a pair of rebuildable TTE600's, hit me up.. [:D]

[tjb616]

Well.... this thread has been an enlightening disaster.

I think I'm at the point where I'm ready to go look for a set of totally stock OEM RS6's modified only for B5 fitment. Anyone offering them these days outside of a full ASP kit?

[Gujuhammer]

Well.... this thread has been an enlightening disaster.

I think I'm at the point where I'm ready to go look for a set of totally stock OEM RS6's modified only for B5 fitment. Anyone offering them these days outside of a full ASP kit?

Same...

[Silverex]

TTE600 is basically a TTE550 with a RS6 turbine housing, so, the idea that k04 based are free of issues goes out the window.... perhaps because they stop using a rs6 turbine shaft and choose a k04-064 based shaft??

Pretty sure both of those shafts have the same diameter but maybe.... I’m picking those TTE600s up from VR6 and when I disassemble them I’ll post my findings. Plan is to send them out to a company in USA to be built with a K16 turbine wheels and a compressor wheel similar in sized to the TTE780S

[Silverex]

Same...
There’s companies that will mod them for you if you have a set but I don’t know anyone that sells stock ones already done.

[AudiAR01]

Pretty sure both of those shafts have the same diameter but maybe.... I’m picking those TTE600s up from VR6 and when I disassemble them I’ll post my findings. Plan is to send them out to a company in USA to be built with a K16 turbine wheels and a compressor wheel similar in sized to the TTE780SThat will be nice with an actual k16 turbine, are you gonna go bigger with comp side or just stay k16 size?

2003 A6 2.7T 6spd Stage 1+ (motor pulled for stage 3+ upgrades)

2001 Allroad TIP Stage 1
2006 A3 2.0T 6spd Stage 1

[off_set]

Not sure if this makes sense in here or not but since this is the first time I’ve ever seen anyone mention k16 anything, I’ve got a brand new set of of buehn k04/k16s that I want to unload . The hot sides are even ceramic coated.
Not sure what I’d ever do with them so pm me if they be of use to you


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[james 408]

I’ve ever seen anyone mention k16 anything The hot sides are even ceramic coated.

2003 is paging you. paging this entire thread actually.

people defending a product while actively advertising it... from a disfunctional return process no less... I mean if they had any credibility I would defend the return process but they just don't anymore. What's new is people literally rebuilding hybrid turbos while arguing they're somehow different from hybrid turbos of the past despite using the same parts. I mean that just makes my head hurt. If crazy is dispelling collective fallacy then I guess I've been crazy on this shitshow for a long, long time.

I mean an open call for ASP turbo kits... christ, let me check my paper stack I think I literally have it in their 2005 parts catalog, maybe you can still get in on the group buy or christmas special. you can check out FT or reach out to a buncha different vendors that make/source hybrid turbos from all over. think the forum sponsor also has a set. Just be aware, there are issues out of the box on some of these, hence why I apply my crazy to people cloning their business model, only with an extra 500lbs of keyboard weight, me7 shift times, and a small diameter tire complex on every car while racing in internet only leagues of one.

Maybe we should rehash ceramic coatings, clipping, hot vs cold, etc. post a bunch of dynos showing 20hp gains and then realize none of that data is repeatable and how it's still getting tossed around by cars with half the hp in a straight line despite 100hp gains from 3krpm to redline.

[off_set]

All right man lol


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[james 408]

wasn't really targetted at you beyond the k16 thing.

This entire thing was a house of cards, and when challenged, they went full chewbacca defense while trying to bully like a 2bit elderly phone scammer. Unfortunately the chewbacca defense isn't just a satirical joke, it kinda works... depending on the audience.

I mean the reality is if this wasn't bullshit, it woulda been copied by everyone already, or if it couldn't be copied, it would be a rounding error in elon musks portfolio by now through acquisition. It was just never real, none of it was ever real.

[S4James]

I dont think buehn bombs used k16 shafts. Probably why they were called buehn bombs. I did buy my revolver cams off him. Still in their original shipping box... Now there is 2500$ USD ill never see again. I actually ran a set of k04 housings with rs6 chras jammed into them before it was cool. Some rando little shop in poland was making them.

Car scooted pretty good and made around 550 hp on em. Raced a few k04 stage 3 cars and would walk them in 4rth gear.

[Silverex]

That will be nice with an actual k16 turbine, are you gonna go bigger with comp side or just stay k16 size?

2003 A6 2.7T 6spd Stage 1+ (motor pulled for stage 3+ upgrades)

2001 Allroad TIP Stage 1
2006 A3 2.0T 6spd Stage 1
Are you asking if I’ll use a stock k16 compressor wheel? Cause I plan on running a larger billet compressor wheel which will require the compressor housing inlet to be machined/sleeved. I forget what size the 780s CW is but I’ll probably end up with something similar or slightly smaller.


Not sure if this makes sense in here or not but since this is the first time I’ve ever seen anyone mention k16 anything, I’ve got a brand new set of of buehn k04/k16s that I want to unload . The hot sides are even ceramic coated.
Not sure what I’d ever do with them so pm me if they be of use to you


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IIRC those are basically k16 compressor wheels in K04 housings with stock clipped exhaust wheels. Thanks for the offer but there’s nothing on them that would be of use. Really just need to find some OE BW K16 turbine wheels.

[RS6Tuner]

Sorry for late replay, I `v been fighting some bad Covid last months.


Another thing worth mentioning:

As i said in the beggining, this is how Simon works.
He insults and degrades the same people that he was depending on to get feedback and results on TTEs products.
TTE does not have any testing on products. Its you guys that are guinea pigs on your own cost. So his complete work is based on marketing yours, shops, tuners expirinces, He just reposts it on his site and forum. So, without your ( our) work - he has no work.

Everyone is small ( smalltime) - according to Simon.

Well, he is Mr BIG!!
This is how big he is:

He has acsess to TTEs account, his own Simon Sharp, Shart Motorsport and THE-Tuner`s.

He uses THE-Tuners account to promote his own TTE crap as he has no Cred with his own.
Then he goes in from all those accounts and likes his own post.
Man - you are HUGE!!!
He is also inpersonating THE-Tuner and giving lame answers to customers that had product complaints or threatening them to delite pictures and never post anywhere.
Andi - THE-Tuner is a nice guy. His English is bad and he never talks back to people.
I mean - Simon you are HUGE, hiding behind others names and credibilities.


I mean this guy is so BIIIIIG, that he accused IrozMotorsport for not doing any work inhouse. Seriously?? Hahahaha.
That he calls " Stertman Motorsport" for small ( they are the biggest and most respected in Sweden - look them up. These are the first guys that for severel years recognized massive TTE failiours and would not play Simons game.

MRC - they built n tuned his RS4 b5. He got some minor trouble, started called them out in the open.
They just closed the door for him. He had to begg me to tune his car, which i refused ofc as i knew even back then 6 years ago he was a backstabber.
Then he blew up his motor as naturally he has no understanding of anythig regarding building or tuning or simple rookie thing like monotoring your AFRs.

Phill - RS4 Limo. When his RS4 Limo burned down - he was crying openly asking everyone to remove the burning pictures as it was hard for him to watch.
Simon was told to remove, Did he?? Ofc NOT, He took the situation to throw some shit on Phill instead as being a dramaqueen.
Remember - RS4Limo made TTE. Its becouse that car - TTE got their name.
You are so SOOO BIG in your greatfulness. MASSIVE!!

The other by UKs very well known B5 parts seller and mechanic, I bet many of you have bought parts from him
Simon tried by any means to blame both the owner and the mechanic ( and these guys are friends or supposed to be) as he usually do - blaming everyone.
Well, he did not actually blame me as cars was not tuned luckily, i´ll give him that.





LOL Rants of a jilted lover.

LOL Yes I work for THE-TUNER and I have for many years. I promote and advertise all there products... as for asking people to delete images or not post you are taking absolute total lies lol. Ive never handled a complaint ever or issue for THE-TUNER....

LOL yes I work for TTE and I have for many years. I promote and advertise all there products...

LOL yes I also have my own business...

We all three work closely together... its called business


LOL No testing... We have a GOLF 7R, RS3, TTRS, GTR35, SEAT LEON, YARIS GR, GOLF R MK 8 ... Right now that are being used to test TTE and other products.... My rs4 before was used and many other cars we have since sold lol. We test with many tuners also and are right now...


Regards to IROZ I think its comman knowledge they dont do CNC engineering as its outsourced if that is what your going on about and trying to do there. We have had a rivalry going for a long time and I am sure Hank would agree.. Hes said a few things as I, but I respect what he does and know he does of TTE as had conversations and we run his parts on our 5cylinder shop car... I even sent a 9BLADE TURBINE turbo there last month that IROZ was fitting to customers car lol

Stertman wanted exclusivity for TTE in Sweden I couldn't allow and relationship ended and lets be honest you always talked badly of them. To be honest this was many years ago now and we all moved on I think a long time ago..

MRC never built my RS4 but did work on it and so did others. I had an MRC tune on it and others. I can not recall calling them out but I did have a surge issue and you said could resolve. Please Dont lie that you refused to tune my car as you gave me links to buy the hardware so you could tune it remotely and i did buy it.... Real reason you didn't is because you went on another mad rant about me sharing a Dahlback car that you said was tuned by you but again more lies lol as never was your tuned car.... I sold that car near 4 years ago i think and I still work with MRC today. I sold MRC a 9BLADE TURBINE turbo last week..... lol

PHILLS car you are out of your tiny mind and lieing out your teeth man and making up stories again lol... Phill asked me and was many others to remove some images of it on fire... nothing more nothing less and I deleted. lol

Mikes car we gave free set of turbos up front and TTE paid Jimbo for the engine pull. So I think TTE did right by all. I never said a bad word of Jimbo ever you nutcase lol !.. I am friends with both Mike & Jimbo today and for the record Chris (engineer) was the guy making suggestions on the cause and failure lol


You try to make this about me with lies and BS when I do not actually make the decisions on TTE product issues or THE Tuner... Actual Turbo Engineers do at TTE HQ in Germany and So does Andi at THE TUNER I am just the guy that is also involved sometimes but its there call if ever is made.




All this aside Kemals last comments to me in private chat, he was asking me to fix it with Chris in Germany that he could sell TTE turbos... and the reason is being this crazy ex lover is because TTE said no.

[RS6Tuner]

VR6bomber. The TTE600 I bet would of been covered tbh if as you say. But we do need see them. Get them sent over lets take a look

[Silverex]

I bought the TTE600s from VR6 and snapped some pics after quickly disassembling them. The one I took apart had what I’d consider borderline acceptable shaft play if the turbo had some miles on it, not 1k. The other one had a lot of shaft play and you could see that the compressor wheel was touching the housing. I left the other alone since I’m considering sending that turbo out and paying a shop in the states for an inspection which hopefully can help us with the reasoning for the failure.

Witness marks from balancing

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Turbine wheel and plate where you see the oil was being pushed out, along with wear on the shaft

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[Silverex]

Pics on journal and thrust bearing
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Journal bearing did have some groves on inside but not much wear on outside.
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I’m no expert on turbos but once apart I didn’t see anything that stands out for the failure. Looks to be an BW rs6 turbine wheel and bearings, collars, thrust all seem to be quality with nice machining. After doing research I noticed a common theme, turbos are pretty basic and rarely fail on their own. Number one cause of failures across the board other than FOD is issues with oiling. Weather it be, contaminated oil, lack of supply/drain, wrong weight etc, oiling issues are the main reason turbos fail. Poor quality is usually seen from poor balancing and why some guys are able to run even the cheapest eBay turbos without issue.

[AudiAR01]

Pics on journal and thrust bearing
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https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20210424/2f260ddfdc70ceafd85f1cb5ed9d642e.jpg


Journal bearing did have some groves on inside but not much wear on outside.
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I’m no expert on turbos but once apart I didn’t see anything that stands out for the failure. Looks to be an BW rs6 turbine wheel and bearings, collars, thrust all seem to be quality with nice machining. After doing research I noticed a common theme, turbos are pretty basic and rarely fail on their own. Number one cause of failures across the board other than FOD is issues with oiling. Weather it be, contaminated oil, lack of supply/drain, wrong weight etc, oiling issues are the main reason turbos fail. Poor quality is usually seen from poor balancing and why some guys are able to run even the cheapest eBay turbos without issue.When I get home I'll post pics of a legit BW thrust and journal bearing from an RS6 and we can compare them. To me that thrust bearing doesn't look like an OEM rs6 thrust

2003 A6 2.7T 6spd Stage 1+ (motor pulled for stage 3+ upgrades)

2001 Allroad TIP Stage 1
2006 A3 2.0T 6spd Stage 1

[AudiAR01]

Any chance of a pic of the oil ports on The thrust and journal

2003 A6 2.7T 6spd Stage 1+ (motor pulled for stage 3+ upgrades)

2001 Allroad TIP Stage 1
2006 A3 2.0T 6spd Stage 1

[Silverex]

When I get home I'll post pics of a legit BW thrust and journal bearing from an RS6 and we can compare them. To me that thrust bearing doesn't look like an OEM rs6 thrust


Sorry should have wrote my post better but I ment it’s an OE bW rs6 turbine wheel. The other parts bearings, collars, etc seem to be of quality.
On the description of TTE780s they even say “TTE Reinforced Motorsport bearing system” instead of Genuine BorgWarner like most of their other parts.

I’m no turbo guru but to me there seems to be common differences between BW rebuild kits and most China/aftermarket/Or Melett kits. The BW kits have a green o ring and a black oil deflector plate, which these 600s have, where most aftermarkets have black o rings and silver plates. Also on most aftermarket thrust bearings I’ve seen they do not have part numbers on back like shown in my pics.

I assumed they use this kit or most of the parts and modify it to their liking which could be as little as polishing the parts.
https://turboturbos.com/products/53037110000?variant=31814170804298

So while I wouldn’t expect them to be identical to what comes out of a OE BW RS6 turbos if you have pictures of those parts I’d like to see them. If you have a bunch feel free to pm them to me to not muddy the thread up, if that’s even possible at this point.[rolleyes]

[S4James]

The issue is still shaft delection due to undersizing. Same problem as any of the china derived turbos, quality parts are meaningless if they are not up to the task. At least that is my understanding. Im not a turbo rebuilder.

[Silverex]

The issue is still shaft delection due to undersizing. Same problem as any of the china derived turbos, quality parts are meaningless if they are not up to the task. At least that is my understanding. Im not a turbo rebuilder.

Shaft is OE rs6 turbine, same shaft diameter basically everyone uses in rs6 hybrids since its same size as K04’s
On 780s they use a k16 sized shaft which has a larger diameter.
One thing to keep in mind is the weight of the shaft also, a lot of the aftermarket ones are larger and weigh less than the OE. Probably another reason why clipping OE turbines is so popular


Ignore the video posted earlier for a completely different car with undersized shaft since it has nothing to do with this failure. It’s really a-shame how quickly mis information gets spread and why I kept asking for more pictures/data on the failures. Hopefully I’ll have a chance to send the other one out to a 3rd party turbo rebuilder in the next few weeks

[S4James]

My ko4 hybrids back in the day had the same issue, an OEM rs6 chra had to be reworked a couple times due to occasional shaft distortion causing wear and housing contact. My point is the RS6 shaft itself is undersized for the applications we are using them for, specifically larger compressor wheels, and/or boosting beyond original tolerances.

Did they work? Sure. I still needed them serviced twice in 60k. I mean I have rs6 hybrids, and I know its just a matter of time. But they are china, and inexpensive. So i try to be pragmatic about it.

And yeah i do realize the video is irrelevant doesnt mean we are not pushing the packaging and parts well beyond reason.

[Silverex]

At end of the day all these TTE600S are is BW rs6 turbos, larger billet CW, clipped BW TW, BW rs4 compressor housings, and modified BW gates. The turbine shaft is far from being undersized for these CW wheels. The CW inducer on my F21s is actually larger than these and k24s have a larger CW all around. You don’t see a common trend of guys pushing oil/breaking shafts with basically the same dimensions, or larger, shafts/wheels in other china offerings so not sure why that’d only happen with TTEs. Adding a larger compressor wheel is nothing new and a shorter service life is expected when upgrading and running higher boost. Should be longer than 1k miles[=(] but it’s common sense they won’t last as long as stock at stock boost.
Most failures/issues I’ve seen, and had, with other similar offerings are with the China housings, gates, and flapper. Since you can’t buy the exhaust housings separately TTE have to buy the complete turbo new then modify them which I feel is the biggest difference from other offerings....the OE turbine housings and associated parts.

Yep that video is irrelevant and as long as you arnt running crazy high boost, we arnt pushing these parts well beyond reason.

[S4James]

Depends on what you mean by a reasonable expectation of longevity. From the manufacturer perspective yes, from guys like us, no probably not. Turbo failure in 5 years is not something I will lose sleep over. But on OEMs? Its considered very unreliable.

[RS6Tuner]

I bought the TTE600s from VR6 and snapped some pics after quickly disassembling them. The one I took apart had what I’d consider borderline acceptable shaft play if the turbo had some miles on it, not 1k. The other one had a lot of shaft play and you could see that the compressor wheel was touching the housing. I left the other alone since I’m considering sending that turbo out and paying a shop in the states for an inspection which hopefully can help us with the reasoning for the failure.

Witness marks from balancing

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Turbine wheel and plate where you see the oil was being pushed out, along with wear on the shaft

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Hi

Bearings you share are all BorgWarner and turbine is OE BW, Compressor is TTE2280X (KTS made)

Thrust bearing is an BorgWarner Upgrade 7 pad bearing
Journal bearing is BorgWarner OE

I had our guys take a look at what you have showed and our Engineers say signs of an overspeeded Assembly. Chris here asked, is the Turbine wheel black as also another sign of overspeed?

[Silverex]

Hi

Bearings you share are all BorgWarner and turbine is OE BW, Compressor is TTE2280X (KTS made)

Thrust bearing is an BorgWarner Upgrade 7 pad bearing
Journal bearing is BorgWarner OE

I had our guys take a look at what you have showed and our Engineers say signs of an overspeeded Assembly. Chris here asked, is the Turbine wheel black as also another sign of overspeed?


Well they were burning tons of oil so yea the turbine wheel was black.

What makes your engineer think it was from overspeed?

Just wondering why does the description say “TTE Reinforced Motorsport bearing system” instead of Genuine BorgWarner like most of their other parts used?

[AudiAR01]

Well they were burning tons of oil so yea the turbine wheel was black.

What makes your engineer think it was from overspeed?

Just wondering why does the description say “TTE Reinforced Motorsport bearing system” instead of Genuine BorgWarner like most of their other parts used?I will get pictures tonight after work. I'm on call this week so makes it hard to think about it at 230am when I get home from work. And 100% those are not OEM journal and thrust bearings. They definitely have the green Oring from the BW OE. Those do not. And from the looks of it. Hard to tell, but it looks like they also have small oil Port. Not the large ports. And the upgraded ones have three oil ports not one. Which means they're not upgraded at all. And using larger CW and TW. They definitely need to be larger oil ports. Spinning that much pressure with small oil ports will cause oil starvation in my opinion.

Edit: and in my opinion the marks on the shaft is from shaft flex. Bc the CW is too big and heavy for the shaft. There is no way the journal bearing rubs on the shaft if it's spinning true and straight. That's just how a turbo works. The only way they make contact is the shaft flexes and or thrust bearing isn't seated right. Which is hard to do. But can be done. But more than likely not. The shaft flexed and caused the markings.

2003 A6 2.7T 6spd Stage 1+ (motor pulled for stage 3+ upgrades)

2001 Allroad TIP Stage 1
2006 A3 2.0T 6spd Stage 1

[AudiAR01]

Here is a good comparison between stock sized and upgraded thrust and journal bearing. Using larger CW should use larger oil Port thrust and triple oil Port thrust bearing.229562229563

2003 A6 2.7T 6spd Stage 1+ (motor pulled for stage 3+ upgrades)

2001 Allroad TIP Stage 1
2006 A3 2.0T 6spd Stage 1

[RS6Tuner]

Well they were burning tons of oil so yea the turbine wheel was black.

What makes your engineer think it was from overspeed?

Just wondering why does the description say “TTE Reinforced Motorsport bearing system” instead of Genuine BorgWarner like most of their other parts used?

Because the whole bearing system is damaged and much experience from signs Chris see's. Had another Turbo Engineer and technician also view as well.

Description is told as is because we select upgraded BW parts to make a non standard TTE bearing system(upgrade).

[Silverex]

And 100% those are not OEM journal and thrust bearings. They definitely have the green Oring from the BW OE. Those do not.
These did HAVE a green o ring just like BW.

The journal bearing looks identical to me compared to this OEM kit so not sure how you could be 100% positive it’s not OEM from a picture? The thrust is obviously slightly different since it has 7 pad design.
https://turboturbos.com/products/530...31814170804298



Edit: and in my opinion the marks on the shaft is from shaft flex. Bc the CW is too big and heavy for the shaft. There is no way the journal bearing rubs on the shaft if it's spinning true and straight. That's just how a turbo works. The only way they make contact is the shaft flexes and or thrust bearing isn't seated right. Which is hard to do. But can be done. But more than likely not. The shaft flexed and caused the markings.

Once again the CW is NOT to big and it weighs LESS than a stock CW. Like I posted earlier “The CW inducer on my F21s is actually larger than these and k24s have a larger CW all around”
So if it was too large for the shaft basically every aftermarket hybrid would be suffering from this issue which is not the case.

If there is oil issues the bearing rubs the shaft, shaft flex is not the only reason for the wear.

[Silverex]

Because the whole bearing system is damaged and much experience from signs Chris see's. Had another Turbo Engineer and technician also view as well.
.

If you could have an engineer/tech post in here on what he see that points to over spinning it would be greatly appreciated by me and I’m sure others also. The more descriptive and technical the better.
Thanks for the replies!

[RS6Tuner]

sorry but they dont have time for forums

[S4James]

Its not about the net weight, its about how far axially the center of mass is from the shaft. And how that affects the moment of inertia during rapid acceleration.

[VR6Bomber]

Because the whole bearing system is damaged and much experience from signs Chris see's. Had another Turbo Engineer and technician also view as well.

Description is told as is because we select upgraded BW parts to make a non standard TTE bearing system(upgrade).

Does TTE use the same bearing sets in the 780 and 600?
What makes the TTE bearing system different (or similar) to OE BW bearings?


I am sure that the second and worse condition 600 turbo of Silverex's will show even more obvious signs of failure upon disassembly.
Even more interested in an independent opinion of the failures.

Could it have been inadvertently over spun? Sure, anything is certainly possible...

I can't rule that as a fact as these turbos indeed started smoking at about 500 miles after install and hadn't even been on long enough to get fully tuned before the smoking became too much to continue with them.

[Silverex]

Does TTE use the same bearing sets in the 780 and 600?
What makes the TTE bearing system different (or similar) to OE BW bearings?


I am sure that the second and worse condition 600 turbo of Silverex's will show even more obvious signs of failure upon disassembly.
Even more interested in an independent opinion of the failures.

Could it have been inadvertently over spun? Sure, anything is certainly possible...

I can't rule that as a fact as these turbos indeed started smoking at about 500 miles after install and hadn't even been on long enough to get fully tuned before the smoking became too much to continue with them.

From the OEM journal bearings I’ve seen this one looks basically identical except for it having 7 pads vs 5 as stock

I’m also interested in the independent opinion on failure and I will definitely be sending it out within the next 2 weeks

Over spinning is a possibility but from the research I did, it’s usually shown on the wheels, mainly the compressor wheel. There’s usually rubbing on housing (this one had none), cracking/failure on cast wheels, and on a billet wheel it will have an orange peel look on the back. Under a magnifying glass I saw zero orange peel and why I was hoping an engineer/tech could chime in with their reasoning on why they thought that was cause of the failure. Im obviously not the most knowledgeable on turbo failures but the wear on the bearing seemed more likely to be oiling related than over spin but that’s just a total guess.

Hopefully we can get to the bottom of it since I’m sure you’d like to know for piece of mind before you start pushing your 780s.

[Stage_3]

sorry but they dont have time for forums

Excellent customer experience :)

[RexII]

So Disconnected my driveline and pulled the ecu wiring tonight. Front end is totally disassembled and I'm 2-3 hours from backing up the cherry picker and having my lump on the table for a reseal and new turbos. I'm on BWK04's and grenaded the right after 25K hard miles so no worries. I was going to go TTE and a tune from a popular entity with whom I've spoken. I was directed to TTE after a request to discuss SRM BB K24's turned into a direct redirect as reliability has been an issue. So where am I now? Ill have my plan sorted in a week or less and both of my turbo choices are out due to "crappy drama".

So more K04's with better intercoolers is not exciting to me.....All you superheros want to tell me what to do? Was TTE780 with a basic implementation for this season and Rods/ girdle topend refresh this winter and better tune with Meth......

At this point I'm thinking new K04's and a for sale sign and moving on to the C63S M177. Sad to close the book on my favorite platform.

[RMode]

It’s an easy decision to be fair

RS6 turbos - genuine, for a setup that plays well on the street and has way more up than standard K04s (especially with 2.8 heads). These are 480 or so to 600whp depending on fueling, IC’s and tuning

If you want more, a Garret based kit: huge array of turbo choices from

https://instagram.com/legendaryperf?igshid=tdkh7u5uhryx

[dozer103]

So Disconnected my driveline and pulled the ecu wiring tonight. Front end is totally disassembled and I'm 2-3 hours from backing up the cherry picker and having my lump on the table for a reseal and new turbos. I'm on BWK04's and grenaded the right after 25K hard miles so no worries. I was going to go TTE and a tune from a popular entity with whom I've spoken. I was directed to TTE after a request to discuss SRM BB K24's turned into a direct redirect as reliability has been an issue. So where am I now? Ill have my plan sorted in a week or less and both of my turbo choices are out due to "crappy drama".

So more K04's with better intercoolers is not exciting to me.....All you superheros want to tell me what to do? Was TTE780 with a basic implementation for this season and Rods/ girdle topend refresh this winter and better tune with Meth......

At this point I'm thinking new K04's and a for sale sign and moving on to the C63S M177. Sad to close the book on my favorite platform.

So - not wanting to totally derail the thread - I'm in about the same boat. Had planned on and still may go with TTE550s. I originally planned on the TTEs as a higher powered and more costly option that would offer me OEM like reliability, and I'm all good paying for that. This thread has had me reading deeper into what hybrid turbos do and how they do it. Dropping A LOT of coin into doing the motor well. Many of you have gone down this rabbit hole. 4 or 5 grans for a turbo setup seems silly to me. At the point now that if I wanted to get crazy all the supporting mods are there up to the 600ish WHP level but I really wanted the quick spool of a strong RS4 K04 hybrid. I've looked into BW RS6 K04s...my tuner says they really don't like to make over 22 PSI or so. And a local builder has experience with track builds on the RS6 K04s with clipped turbines that he's comfortable running up to 25 PSI which he says is holding about 30 PSI in the turbine side. Does anyone have first hand experience with a modified genuine RS6 K04 setup that performs well and lives? I would think there are certainly more than a handful of TTE550 setups out there doing just fine.

[q20v]

RS6 turbos - genuine, for a setup that plays well on the street and has way more up than standard K04s (especially with 2.8 heads). These are 480 or so to 600whp depending on fueling, IC’s and tuning


This sounds appealing for my next setup down the road once I get tired of the K04s... which hopefully doesn't happen TOO soon!

[Silverex]

IMO your best bet is to buy a stock set of rs6 turbos and have them modified in the states. Clipped turbines, billet wheels, upgraded bearings, or whatever else you’d like done or not done into reliable OE housings. Way easier than dealing with an over seas company and should be a reasonable amount cheaper.

At least that’s what I’m going try to do with these 600s.

[RMode]

So - not wanting to totally derail the thread - I'm in about the same boat. Had planned on and still may go with TTE550s. I originally planned on the TTEs as a higher powered and more costly option that would offer me OEM like reliability, and I'm all good paying for that. This thread has had me reading deeper into what hybrid turbos do and how they do it. Dropping A LOT of coin into doing the motor well. Many of you have gone down this rabbit hole. 4 or 5 grans for a turbo setup seems silly to me. At the point now that if I wanted to get crazy all the supporting mods are there up to the 600ish WHP level but I really wanted the quick spool of a strong RS4 K04 hybrid. I've looked into BW RS6 K04s...my tuner says they really don't like to make over 22 PSI or so. And a local builder has experience with track builds on the RS6 K04s with clipped turbines that he's comfortable running up to 25 PSI which he says is holding about 30 PSI in the turbine side. Does anyone have first hand experience with a modified genuine RS6 K04 setup that performs well and lives? I would think there are certainly more than a handful of TTE550 setups out there doing just fine.

What difference does it make how much boost they are happy at? They flow way more air than a k04 does lb for lb, and add significant power vs k04s.

[tjb616]

I've looked into BW RS6 K04s...my tuner says they really don't like to make over 22 PSI or so. And a local builder has experience with track builds on the RS6 K04s with clipped turbines that he's comfortable running up to 25 PSI which he says is holding about 30 PSI in the turbine side. Does anyone have first hand experience with a modified genuine RS6 K04 setup that performs well and lives?

Autospeed used off the shelf RS6's tuned to about 450whp on 93 and pump and they were dead reliable by all accounts.

I'm wondering if the reason they never pushed them further is the idea you mentioned. I was planning to boost to make 480ish who on pump (25-26psi?) but also have an E85 map.

Would love more info. Maybe we should start another thread...

[RMode]

Autospeed used off the shelf RS6's tuned to about 450whp on 93 and pump and they were dead reliable by all accounts.

I'm wondering if the reason they never pushed them further is the idea you mentioned. I was planning to boost to make 480ish who on pump (25-26psi?) but also have an E85 map.

Would love more info. Maybe we should start another thread...

I'd be willing to bet it's the tried and true adage that more boost isn't better boost. A turbo has a range of efficiency. Staying in it keeps things happy, keeps things consistent, keeps the supporting mods you've chosen in their sweet spot. 2-5 psi may represent a nice bump on a dyno, but that doesn't translate to how it performs on the street. Look at what a stock 2017 RS7 runs for boost out of the factory with and without the performance package. Then look at what the consistent ecu tunes for those cars run the turbos at. Same can easily be done for PJ K04. More psi is not a bragging right. I'd rather make the power with less boost than more, and have a car that is dead consistent whether it's 85F or 35F out. But that's me and my jaded view of things, having been down the rabbit hole on so many cars I've nearly lost count.

[dozer103]

I'd be willing to bet it's the tried and true adage that more boost isn't better boost. A turbo has a range of efficiency. Staying in it keeps things happy, keeps things consistent, keeps the supporting mods you've chosen in their sweet spot. 2-5 psi may represent a nice bump on a dyno, but that doesn't translate to how it performs on the street. Look at what a stock 2017 RS7 runs for boost out of the factory with and without the performance package. Then look at what the consistent ecu tunes for those cars run the turbos at. Same can easily be done for PJ K04. More psi is not a bragging right. I'd rather make the power with less boost than more, and have a car that is dead consistent whether it's 85F or 35F out. But that's me and my jaded view of things, having been down the rabbit hole on so many cars I've nearly lost count.

I'm with you, and have moved over to the RS6 K04 thread. What I'm trying to do isn't about boost pressure, it's about air volume delivered quickly and reliably at the right engine speed. It seems that compressor maps for the applications I'm looking for just aren't available. So at the end of the TTE thread for me, it seems I have lost a bit of trust in the product - have no particular reason to trust the vendor - and have the general feeling that they are a slightly better engineered version of a generally poorly engineered product that reaches beyond common sense reliability measures in design to get to their result. I may still become a TTE customer. But that is just not as sure a thing as it was a few months ago.

[RS6Tuner]

Some TTE550's leaving this week.

https://www.instagram.com/p/COYLPGyodYs/?utm_source=ig_web_copy_link

[VR6Bomber]

Some TTE550's leaving this week.

https://www.instagram.com/p/COYLPGyodYs/?utm_source=ig_web_copy_link

At the sake of repeating myself,

Does the 550, 600, 780 all use the same bearing sets?

[RS6Tuner]

At the sake of repeating myself,

Does the 550, 600, 780 all use the same bearing sets?

Sorry its hard to keep up and I missed this.

No not the same. As example TTE780 is a thicker BWTS k16 shaft, but still BWTS based bearing parts for that turbo also.

[AudiAR01]

These did HAVE a green o ring just like BW.

The journal bearing looks identical to me compared to this OEM kit so not sure how you could be 100% positive it’s not OEM from a picture? The thrust is obviously slightly different since it has 7 pad design.
https://turboturbos.com/products/530...31814170804298


Once again the CW is NOT to big and it weighs LESS than a stock CW. Like I posted earlier “The CW inducer on my F21s is actually larger than these and k24s have a larger CW all around”
So if it was too large for the shaft basically every aftermarket hybrid would be suffering from this issue which is not the case.

If there is oil issues the bearing rubs the shaft, shaft flex is not the only reason for the wear.It's not about the total weight of the CW. It has to do with the axial mass and speed of the entire CW. There's plenty of research to show that the statement of running large CW on shafts not designed for them. Causes the same problem. And you can not compare all hybrid turbos. Because they are 1000000% not all made the same. Some use super cheap parts. For instance maxpeeding turbos has tons of hybrids that have failed. Garret makes several hybrids that have lasted years. Quality control has a lot to do with it. Along with R&D. Which obviously was not done. I'm not arguing with you. Because that seems like what you want to do by consistently saying it's not the CW. And comparing your F series turbos to these. The shaft flexed causing problems inside the Chra and causing wear. Then ruining seals. So forth and so on. Same thing is happening with IS line of turbos. Putting giant wheels on the small shafts. Except it's causing them to completely break. You bought the turbos. Have them honed out put a good Chra in them. And end up with a badass set of Turbos that no one else has.

2003 A6 2.7T 6spd Stage 1+ (motor pulled for stage 3+ upgrades)

2001 Allroad TIP Stage 1
2006 A3 2.0T 6spd Stage 1

[Silverex]

Those IS turbos have bigger wheels than these and the shaft is like 2-3mm smaller so I really don’t see how that relates to this situation.

I’m not tring to argue was only stating that these turbos have all BW parts minus the thrust and CW....unless you got those pics of a oem rs6 journal bearing showing its different than this one

No all hybrids arnt made the same but basically every other option uses China shafts, unlike these, with the same or larger sized compressor wheels and they don’t suffer from shaft flex.

Once I get a chance I’ll be shipping them out for an inspection to get a professional opinion.....wanna make a $50 bet the failure has nothing to do with shaft flex?

[RS6Tuner]

I’m not tring to argue was only stating that these turbos have all BW parts minus the thrust and CW....unless you got those pics of a oem rs6 journal bearing showing its different than this one



Are also BWTS thrust bearings but the BWTS 7 pad reinforced upgrade option and compressor wheel is BorgWarner Turbo Systems geometry but in billet as the original BWTS was only in cast.

The Journal is BWTS OEM RS6 100%.

[Mocke]

More TTE turbo failures.

As I,v said earlier, I will be posting all results, good or bad.
I,v posted this on my site already.
Here is info for non-followers.

Brand new TTE550 First Gen!

Installed by a shop - tune attempted by a major company in that country that does alot of TTE turbo tuning.
Compressor wheel fell off at first dyno pull.
Turbos was sent in and another exchanged pair was received for 10% discount.
All installed this shop decided to contact us for tuning this time.
At this point we come into project.
After just a couple of initial wastegate liniarisation logs i,v noticed something was wrong. After a certain WGDC ( fairly low at this point) car could not maintain pressure. It would just overboost rundomly up n down despite WG control was locked. After a health check confirming again, there was no any leaks, there was only one thing left. I suspected Wastegates itself not opening all the way.
Motor was pulled again by the shop and exactly as i thought the Wastegate travel was too short. The flap was not opening all the way to allow overpressure to evacuate and maintain desired levels.
Reason for this is failing WG spring thats been pretentioned too hard. You get the desired crack opening pressure but it shortens the overall rod movement. Note!! This is a new turbo received straight from TTE.

TTE was contacted by the shop and received the answer: Nothing wrong with our WG travel.
But it obviously it is: Videos are available on our site.
At this point the shop decided not to mess with TTE any longer. Turbos was sent to independent shop for health check and 550s WGs was scrapped.
Stock OE k04 WGs was used instead.
All installed back together and after two days we tuned it in for troublefree function.
Made some 440hp and runs well.

To summerize:
Owner payed for brand new TTE550s.
Failed at first dyno pull
Then he payed again full price - 10% for exchange 550s, that was also received with Faulty WGs.
That is 2 brand new turbos bought - that failed.


Regards.

[Monty23]

That's nuts. This was one of the driving factors for me going single turbo so many years ago. I can use any of the standard turbo options with a slight up pipe mod. I'm not saying STK is the best or anything, but the niche 2.7T twin turbo options ridiculous for the dollar/price and quality. And then there is the work just to get to the twins if there is any type of problem.

[okkim]

My friend has a TTE950 turbos, which cost a lot and still they are not plug an play to 2.7 motor. They are driven about 5000 km's, and when the engine was off the turbos were checked. The other turbo had some (~1mm) axial play in the bearing so they were sent to the turbo shop. They found these shims under the compressor wheels. Two smaller under the one wheel, and one big under the other. One of the smaller shims had bigger hole than the axle and they look like a normal shims that you use under the nut. To me it looks strange to have these parts under the compressor wheel. Why the compressor housing wasn't machined instead? It is now machined and the shims removed.

And other friend has new TTE950 turbos too, because of this found they are going to the turbo shop for a check.

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[S4James]

jesus.

[Shahek]

This is getting excessive guys.


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[AudiAR01]

My friend has a TTE950 turbos, which cost a lot and still they are not plug an play to 2.7 motor. They are driven about 5000 km's, and when the engine was off the turbos were checked. The other turbo had some (~1mm) axial play in the bearing so they were sent to the turbo shop. They found these shims under the compressor wheels. Two smaller under the one wheel, and one big under the other. One of the smaller shims had bigger hole than the axle and they look like a normal shims that you use under the nut. To me it looks strange to have these parts under the compressor wheel. Why the compressor housing wasn't machined instead? It is now machined and the shims removed.

And other friend has new TTE950 turbos too, because of this found they are going to the turbo shop for a check.

244170This is absolutely insane. There should never be a shim between. The compressor wheel and the back plate. Wow. And from the looks of it. Those aren't shims. Those are standard washers.

2003 A6 2.7T 6spd Stage 1+ (motor pulled for stage 3+ upgrades)

2001 Allroad TIP Stage 1
2006 A3 2.0T 6spd Stage 1

[okkim]

Here are some better photos of the washers.
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[AudiAR01]

Here are some better photos of the washers.
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244332@RS6Tuner get it in here and answer for your sins. And explain this nonsense in TTE turbos. 244445

2003 A6 2.7T 6spd Stage 1+ (motor pulled for stage 3+ upgrades)

2001 Allroad TIP Stage 1
2006 A3 2.0T 6spd Stage 1

[RS6Tuner]

BorgWarner Motorsport follow the same practice.

[okkim]

Why is it done with washers and not by machining the compressor cover to get it to the correct height?

[UlyssesS4]

well I have been looking at an engine build for my B5 S4, can't get much over 21PSI here in Denver so need an RS6 framed turbo at least and most of the shops in denver recommend the TTE but my gosh from what I am reading here appears I need to look at a different set of RS6 turbo's, either SEP or just build my own. The TTH's sounds like a solid option but yikes... 5200US +shipping. 11 pages of good info and 18+ months of data is a lot to go thru but worth it, now gotta get back to work.

[Silverex]

I’d build your own the SEPs havnt even been out for a year yet and I’ve seen zero results of the TTHs

[AudiAR01]

BorgWarner Motorsport follow the same practice.Ummmmm Borg Warner does not put machined bolt washers behind the compressor wheel. That is blantly not true. I have four sets of Borg Warner turbos. Not one of them which are 100% OEM have washers stacked inside behind the compressor wheel. There is absolutely nothing between the compressor wheel and seal plate.

2003 A6 2.7T 6spd Stage 1+ (motor pulled for stage 3+ upgrades)

2001 Allroad TIP Stage 1
2006 A3 2.0T 6spd Stage 1

[Silverex]

Ummmmm Borg Warner does not put machined bolt washers behind the compressor wheel. That is blantly not true. I have four sets of Borg Warner turbos. Not one of them which are 100% OEM have washers stacked inside behind the compressor wheel.
Are any of them a K16 off a Porsche?

[RS6Tuner]

Ohh the public circus games continue.

https://hosting.photobucket.com/images/p613/TheTurboEngineers/crazy_kemo.png?width=960&height=720&fit=bounds (https://app.photobucket.com/u/TheTurboEngineers/p/dff39845-b87b-4ac1-aee4-db59bed28373)

[RMode]

Just use genuine BW’s

Why reinvent the (forgive me) wheel?

[AudiAR01]

Just use genuine BW’s

Why reinvent the (forgive me) wheel?Yeah it's pretty simple. Hell even use Melett Chra's if they wanna save some. But Chicom garbage just doesn't cut it. Especially when it's a motor pull to access them.

2003 A6 2.7T 6spd Stage 1+ (motor pulled for stage 3+ upgrades)

2001 Allroad TIP Stage 1
2006 A3 2.0T 6spd Stage 1

[RS6Tuner]

We know Melett very well as are suppliers to us. If there was a technical advantage to change any component our engineers would, be that power, durability or quality. Its easy to talk stuff on the internet without any real technical knowledge on each component or turbochargers.

Do you think Melett parts are not made in China also? As they are also!


AudiAR01. With respect. You didn't even know what BWTS bearings was as shown few posts back on the disassembled TTE600 pictures..

[AudiAR01]

We know Melett very well as are suppliers to us. If there was a technical advantage to change any component our engineers would, be that power, durability or quality. Its easy to talk stuff on the internet without any real technical knowledge on each component or turbochargers.

Do you think Melett parts are not made in China also?


AudiAR01. With respect. You didn't even know what BWTS bearings was as shown few posts back on the disassembled TTE600 pictures..Please show me that post. You put fuckn washers in as spacers behind comp wheels. You have officially become irrelevant from that point on.

2003 A6 2.7T 6spd Stage 1+ (motor pulled for stage 3+ upgrades)

2001 Allroad TIP Stage 1
2006 A3 2.0T 6spd Stage 1

[AudiAR01]

If you're talking about the thrust washer silverex posted that sure as shit isn't an upgraded TB. It has.
one small oil port. Not three. So nothing is upgraded internally. After you stack washers and use larger wheels. And for the price you charge. I would expect to get turbos built right. Not with some rigged washers.

2003 A6 2.7T 6spd Stage 1+ (motor pulled for stage 3+ upgrades)

2001 Allroad TIP Stage 1
2006 A3 2.0T 6spd Stage 1

[Silverex]

Please show me that post. You put fuckn washers in as spacers behind comp wheels. You have officially become irrelevant from that point on.

I assume he’s talking about this post


I will get pictures tonight after work. I'm on call this week so makes it hard to think about it at 230am when I get home from work. And 100% those are not OEM journal and thrust bearings. They definitely have the green Oring from the BW OE.

The Journal is OE and the thrust is supposedly BW Motorsport/TS spec which I havnt seen elsewhere but it looks just like OE except having 7 vs 5 pads. Other than the Billet CW and that thrust bearing everything else looks to be out of a OE BW RS6 to me on those TTE600s

Have you taken a K16 turbo apart to know for sure BW doesn’t put washers behind Cw?

[AudiAR01]

I assume he’s talking about this post



The Journal is OE and the thrust is supposedly BW Motorsport/TS spec which I havnt seen elsewhere but it looks just like OE except having 7 vs 5 pads. Other than the Billet CW and that thrust bearing everything else looks to be out of a OE BW RS6 to me on those TTE600s

Have you taken a K16 turbo apart to know for sure BW doesn’t put washers behind Cw?Neither of my OEM RS6 turbos have washers behind the comp wheels. I have completely rebuilt both. Even new Chra's do not have washers behind. Behind the comp wheel is the seal plate. That's it. And there especially isn't a machine fender washer there. And look at all the rebuild kits for every single kkk turbo. There is NO WASHER.

2003 A6 2.7T 6spd Stage 1+ (motor pulled for stage 3+ upgrades)

2001 Allroad TIP Stage 1
2006 A3 2.0T 6spd Stage 1

[AudiAR01]

No washer period. In Any KKK turbo245104245105245106245107245108245109

2003 A6 2.7T 6spd Stage 1+ (motor pulled for stage 3+ upgrades)

2001 Allroad TIP Stage 1
2006 A3 2.0T 6spd Stage 1

[AudiAR01]

The back of a comp wheel is not flat. It's convex. For a reason. So the wheel doesn't ride on the seal plate. It rides on the axel bearing. Which spins inside the seal plate. Washers stacked up behind that would cause the washer to spin on the seal plate or the comp wheel spinning on it. Causing metal to metal friction . I have took apart and rebuilt over 30 kkk turbos. And several more in the Japanese market for Honda's and Acuras. There is never a washer behind the comp wheel. That's just facts. My guess the turbos with the washers stacked in them was bc the compressor housing was machine too deep. And instead of machining another. They stacked washers behind the comp wheel to raise the wheel outwards to make it seal better against the comp housing. And if there was a washer it would be the size of the shaft. Not just a regular fender washer with a 3/8" hole or whatever size that was.


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2003 A6 2.7T 6spd Stage 1+ (motor pulled for stage 3+ upgrades)

2001 Allroad TIP Stage 1
2006 A3 2.0T 6spd Stage 1

[S4James]

sorry, nobody is buying "but OEM does it" that's baloney, those are washers straight out of a bin at the local hardware store.

[Silverex]

Neither of my OEM RS6 turbos have washers behind the comp wheels.
So I assume you havnt taken a K16 apart then. We all know K04s/6s don’t have them but after a quick search this rebuild kit for the K16 includes a “spacer that supports higher top end”.

https://shop.mambatek.com/MAMBA-Heavy-Duty-Turbo-Repair-Kit-Borgwarner-K16-Porsche-996-015-1204-3.htm


Diagram of a K27, not a K16 obviously, but they seem to have washers that I haven’t seen on a k04/6 before.
http://forums.pelicanparts.com/911-930-turbo-super-charging-forum/857790-help-rebuilding-stock-k27-turbo-2.html#post8553470

Some pics of a washer on disassembly on pg5
https://12v.org/urs/RS2%20Turbo%20Disassembly%20by%20twoqu.pdf



sorry, nobody is buying "but OEM does it" that's baloney, those are washers straight out of a bin at the local hardware store.
I agree it’s very odd but without knowing for sure I don’t think we should be so quick to judge.

[RS6Tuner]

Reason to use a precision ground shim. Cast back-plates on the older turbos as used on a TTE950 require, if you want to optimize the compressor to cover gap for max efficiency. Even 997 Porsche use cast back-plates as example. This is because these cast back-plates have no milled surfaces that join the cover and back-plate from BWTS. The join determines the height and the standard tolerance maybe fine for standard OE applications but for Motorsport its adjusted this way for max performance.

In former times was used in F1 and Rally cars like QUATTRO SPORT the gap and shim was noted on the cover in marker (We have these turbos in our shop as we do/did/have worked on) Now days its being used less and less as we are machining our own billet back-plates and using milled billet compressors with higher tolerances.

[RMode]

Having spent considerable time with BW turbos used in various applications, I can confirm, spacers were indeed used on various iterations.

As an example, the exploded diagram of the factory RS2 unit

https://12v.org/urs/TC53249887200RS2TurboPartsExplodedDiagramRev1.jpg

Now, in current times, with so much more billet compressor wheels being used, I would assume this is no longer the case.

[RMode]

Ah I see Silverex posted the same

[Silverex]

Reason to use a precision ground shim. Cast back-plates on the older turbos as used on a TTE950 require, if you want to optimize the compressor to cover gap for max efficiency. Even 997 Porsche use cast back-plates as example. This is because these cast back-plates have no milled surfaces that join the cover and back-plate from BWTS. The join determines the height and the standard tolerance maybe fine for standard OE applications but for Motorsport its adjusted this way for max performance.

In former times was used in F1 and Rally cars like QUATTRO SPORT the gap and shim was noted on the cover in marker (We have these turbos in our shop as we do/did/have worked on) Now days its being used less and less as we are machining our own billet back-plates and using milled billet compressors with higher tolerances.

Thanks for the reply. Just curious why do the washers have different ID holes? I would’ve guessed they would be the same size just the thickness of the washer would be different for varying tolerances.

[RS6Tuner]

Just because we have shims in different bore sizes only the shim thickness is important here [up] The core is a stacked set of components balanced.

Hope this helps. Off to take my children to play Golf.

[AudiAR01]

So I assume you havnt taken a K16 apart then. We all know K04s/6s don’t have them but after a quick search this rebuild kit for the K16 includes a “spacer that supports higher top end”.

https://shop.mambatek.com/MAMBA-Heavy-Duty-Turbo-Repair-Kit-Borgwarner-K16-Porsche-996-015-1204-3.htm


Diagram of a K27, not a K16 obviously, but they seem to have washers that I haven’t seen on a k04/6 before.
http://forums.pelicanparts.com/911-930-turbo-super-charging-forum/857790-help-rebuilding-stock-k27-turbo-2.html#post8553470

Some pics of a washer on disassembly on pg5
https://12v.org/urs/RS2%20Turbo%20Disassembly%20by%20twoqu.pdf



I agree it’s very odd but without knowing for sure I don’t think we should be so quick to judge.That is a seal. Not a fuckn fender washer. For the last time they DO NOT PUT A GOD DAMN WASHER BEHIND THE COMP WHEEL. THAT IS NOT A FENDER WASHER THAT IS A SEAL. AND YES I HAVE TAKEN A K16 APART. THERE IS NO WASHER THERE. THAT IS A SEAL THAT SETS DOWN INSIDE THE SEAL PLATE.

2003 A6 2.7T 6spd Stage 1+ (motor pulled for stage 3+ upgrades)

2001 Allroad TIP Stage 1
2006 A3 2.0T 6spd Stage 1

[AudiAR01]

Having spent considerable time with BW turbos used in various applications, I can confirm, spacers were indeed used on various iterations.

As an example, the exploded diagram of the factory RS2 unit

https://12v.org/urs/TC53249887200RS2TurboPartsExplodedDiagramRev1.jpg

Now, in current times, with so much more billet compressor wheels being used, I would assume this is no longer the case.Also has no spacer or washer behind the comp wheel. You keep posting these pictures with no washer that goes behind the comp wheel.

2003 A6 2.7T 6spd Stage 1+ (motor pulled for stage 3+ upgrades)

2001 Allroad TIP Stage 1
2006 A3 2.0T 6spd Stage 1

[AudiAR01]

Those all go behind the seal plate. All those spacers. Those spacers are also in the k04/025 & 026 and 028 & 029. Go behind the seal plate. Not between the comp wheel and seal plate. There is not a turbo made with billet wheel or cast wheel that has a washer between the seal plate and comp wheel. EVER. NOT EVER.

2003 A6 2.7T 6spd Stage 1+ (motor pulled for stage 3+ upgrades)

2001 Allroad TIP Stage 1
2006 A3 2.0T 6spd Stage 1

[AudiAR01]

K16 rebuild kit. I circled the spacer. This goes behind the seal plate. BEHIND THE SEAL PLATE. LET ME SAY THIS ONE MORE TIME. INCASE YOU DONT GET IT. BEHIND THE SEAL PLATE. NOT BETWEE. THE COMP WHEEL AND SEAL PLATE.245465

2003 A6 2.7T 6spd Stage 1+ (motor pulled for stage 3+ upgrades)

2001 Allroad TIP Stage 1
2006 A3 2.0T 6spd Stage 1

[S4James]

Thank you.

[christianb5s4]

I'm in the process of thinking about new turbos since the wastegate on my passenger side K24 JB is giving up. TTE600 has been what's recommended by Blake, but I still am having a hard time finding real world results here versus most being in Europe.

Are there any folks here that can provide some insight into how those setups are fairing here?

[CELison]

I'm in the process of thinking about new turbos since the wastegate on my passenger side K24 JB is giving up. TTE600 has been what's recommended by Blake, but I still am having a hard time finding real world results here versus most being in Europe.

Are there any folks here that can provide some insight into how those setups are fairing here?

Loosing preload? Or the flapper?

[christianb5s4]

Loosing preload? Or the flapper?

Pretty sure it's flapper related. I can put some load on the wastegate arm on the exhaust housing and it starts rattling like crazy despite the actuator being as tight as it goes.

Basically boost onset is lazy and not hitting peak boost anymore. Used to be able to tighten the gate and it would fix it for a bit but now it's no longer helping.

[Silverex]

Before you go swapping turbos it’s worth pulling downpipes and seeing if the rivet/weld is still holding the flapper securely. My F21s had some play which added about 350-500rpm of lag, I used an E clip to remove the play and later I ended up welding it once I realized that was my issue.
I have some pics in my build thread which probably describes it better

[Shahek]

I'm in the process of thinking about new turbos since the wastegate on my passenger side K24 JB is giving up. TTE600 has been what's recommended by Blake, but I still am having a hard time finding real world results here versus most being in Europe.

Are there any folks here that can provide some insight into how those setups are fairing here?

Hey Christian! I'm on it bro, hopefully will have the motor in the car next week and starting to tune with Blake as well. I'll keep you posted. I'm local to you to man.

[christianb5s4]

Before you go swapping turbos it’s worth pulling downpipes and seeing if the rivet/weld is still holding the flapper securely. My F21s had some play which added about 350-500rpm of lag, I used an E clip to remove the play and later I ended up welding it once I realized that was my issue.
I have some pics in my build thread which probably describes it better

I did think about doing that, this build has been going strong for 4ish years and I'm up for a change to gain a bit more power under the curve. Blake also has seen the TTE600s spool better than k24s while giving the same overall power so I'm willing to make the investment to try that out. I'll definitely check out your thread now.


Hey Christian! I'm on it bro, hopefully will have the motor in the car next week and starting to tune with Blake as well. I'll keep you posted. I'm local to you to man.

That's awesome, can't wait to see how it does! If I pull the trigger I'll be able to get things moving pretty quickly.

[CELison]

Are the 600s the ones that have seen some failures? I don’t see many cars with them, so hearing about failures makes me a little hesitant. I too would like a backup plan if my k24s take a shit.

[Shahek]

Are the 600s the ones that have seen some failures? I don’t see many cars with them, so hearing about failures makes me a little hesitant. I too would like a backup plan if my k24s take a shit.

From what I read between all the arguing the 780+ have a lot more. But Blake has sold and tuned several without any problems

[christianb5s4]

From what I read between all the arguing the 780+ have a lot more. But Blake has sold and tuned several without any problems

Blake said the TTE600s have been reliable, but 780s have been more hit or miss. I don't know first hand just relaying what I was told.

Frustrating is the fact there's so little information on people actually running TTE at least domestically, and many in Europe running are running more than 2.7 so hard to see how these perform on a stock displacement motor.

[Shahek]

Blake said the TTE600s have been reliable, but 780s have been more hit or miss. I don't know first hand just relaying what I was told.

Frustrating is the fact there's so little information on people actually running TTE at least domestically, and many in Europe running are running more than 2.7 so hard to see how these perform on a stock displacement motor.

yep, it made it very difficult to pull the trigger especially all the back and forth in this thread. Hopefully it's going to work out for me lol. But in all honesty, I had BW KO4's, Tial 605's and 770's and these TTE600s really are nicely done everything marked down to a tee and out of all my turbos these were the only ones that had WG cracking pressure set correctly out of the box.

[christianb5s4]

All manufacturers and turbos will have failures here and there either from flaws or even user issues, same goes to K24s which have a well documented track record.

Just need to finalize what I want. The results of the 780 are more in-line with what I'd want but the 600s are definitely up there. I ruled out the 550s because it would be too much of a step down in power.

Also to an extent, having a larger turbo and more progressive boost onset is good because it helps the car be more reliable and breaks less stuff.

[armageddon-]

TTE600 have same wheels specs as tte550 and similar to ft21, only difference being the rs6 exhaust housing.

TTE780 are more in line with srm turbo specs.

[sherbet]

Jesus. Installed 550’s on my car last summer. I’m embarrassed to say it has been collecting dust in my garage since while life got in the way. FFWD to the current..have plans to get it over to my tuner soon to make some fueling accommodations for E85. I’m actually annoyed that I dug into this thread. I was led to believe by clever marketing, a lot of promising info from overseas builds, and most likely my own stupidity that I was paying the high price for piece of mind. I’m sick of doing motor pulls for blown turbos, and wanted something I can enjoy without worry. Now I’m second guessing my decision. Lovely.

Since the car sat for 5 years in storage prior to the 550 install, I have driven it about 40-50 miles (mostly with an unplugged N75). Mainly to shake down the car and look for any weird new issues. Glad to report after one pull on my k04 map and full boost my turbos are still alive, lol. As the tuning gets going I will update my experience.


I do have a close friend that lives in the NorCal area as well with a VERY overdone 3L 780 car. Cat cams, RS4 intake, extensive head work, THE tuner turbo and intake plumbing, Tuner tubular manifolds, as well as W/M and a very intricate fuel system with divorced cylinder banks. Each bank has a 044 and surge tank in the firewall. Point being, everything besides sleeving or reinforcing his block has been done to compliment the 780s. It made 575whp on 034s very conservative Mustang dyno at 27psi on Sunoco GT260+(104 oct), and 430whp on pump/meth running only 22psi. The pump gas figure is irrelevant anyways because our 91 octane may as well be a weak stream of piss. The tuner at 034 purposely left about 100whp on the table just to be safe and conservative.

Ramblings aside, Almost 40k miles on that whole build, CAT cams will need to be replaced soon as they wear fast but no issues at all with the 780s. Drives it hard, revs it out to 8k, only runs 104 in it, and years of ripping, and let me tell you….that car RIPS. And frankly that car was the impetus for me pulling the trigger on the 550s.

Very unfortunate to hear failure rates are higher than I expected.

[christianb5s4]

Again I don't want to infer there is some widespread issue with the 780s, I'm just going off what I was told. Hence why I asked about them because it would be great to get more real world insight. I doubt it's some widespread issue and 99% of them work as intended, because we all know that the internet tends to collect negative comments more than positive ones so that makes it seem skewed.

That build your friend has is crazy, and glad they put actual miles on it! I really am aiming for 550-600whp but more response and power under the curve than the current K24s. That's the sweet spot for my setup reliability wise since I have stock pistons.

What kinds of power are the 600s making on e85? FATS? 1/4 or 1/2 mile trap? 60-130mph or 100-200kph times? Asking in case anyone might know.

[Monty23]

I really am aiming for 550-600whp but more response and power under the curve than the current K24s. That's the sweet spot for my setup reliability-wise since I have stock pistons.

FWIW, I've had stock pistons on my car marking around 700whp/600wtq (131mph trap) for 7-8yrs now (35-40k miles) with no issues. Just don't want people thinking the factory pistons are a weak link, they can handle a decent amount of power for a street car.

[xalents23]

FWIW, I've had stock pistons on my car marking around 700whp/600wtq (131mph trap) for 7-8yrs now (35-40k miles) with no issues. Just don't want people thinking the factory pistons are a weak link, they can handle a decent amount of power for a street car.

+2 on the stock pistons they are pretty solid. I have run nothing but stock pistons on all my builds. Currently at 721whp and 604wtq torque with no issues.

[christianb5s4]

Interesting, I guess it all comes down to the tuning and having that squared away. That's crazy you've had them be so reliable at that power level given the conventional wisdom is stock pistons are not recommended past 600whp.

[AudiAR01]

Interesting, I guess it all comes down to the tuning and having that squared away. That's crazy you've had them be so reliable at that power level given the conventional wisdom is stock pistons are not recommended past 600whp.I've read the stock forged piston are good for 700+ chp

2003 A6 2.7T 6spd Stage 1+ (motor pulled for stage 3+ upgrades)

2001 Allroad TIP Stage 1
2006 A3 2.0T 6spd Stage 1

[NOTORIOUS VR]

conventional wisdom is stock pistons are not recommended past 600whp.

That's odd - if you have ring gaps set appropriately I don't see why the OE forged units wouldn't do at least 125 per hole.

[AudiAR01]

That's odd - if you have ring gaps set appropriately I don't see why the OE forged units wouldn't do at least 125 per hole.Yeah that's about what I thought as well I mean forged is forged. I actually think there are quite a few cars that are 800 at the wheel on Factory Pistons they are however brand new Pistons they're not used.

2003 A6 2.7T 6spd Stage 1+ (motor pulled for stage 3+ upgrades)

2001 Allroad TIP Stage 1
2006 A3 2.0T 6spd Stage 1

[RMode]

Yeah that's about what I thought as well I mean forged is forged. I actually think there are quite a few cars that are 800 at the wheel on Factory Pistons they are however brand new Pistons they're not used.

2003 A6 2.7T 6spd Stage 1+ (motor pulled for stage 3+ upgrades)

2001 Allroad TIP Stage 1
2006 A3 2.0T 6spd Stage 1

Taking the "hp limit" out of things for a moment, forged is not forged. Just like cast isn't cast. Production techniques vary, often widely.

[christianb5s4]

That's odd - if you have ring gaps set appropriately I don't see why the OE forged units wouldn't do at least 125 per hole.

I don't know what that figure was set in my mind as the upper limit of stock pistons, clearly I was wrong. Also didn't realize the OE pistons are forged. That's really good to know!

[AudiAR01]

Taking the "hp limit" out of things for a moment, forged is not forged. Just like cast isn't cast. Production techniques vary, often widely.What forged isn't forged and cast isn't cast. That makes zero sense. Forged pistons are made one way and one way only. No ifs ands or buts about it. Billet aluminum pistons are cut from a solid piece of aluminum either 2618 or 4032, some other types depending on application. The mold is heated along with the billet chunk in a separate oven to a certain temperature. Then pressed at around 500ton. Give or take depending on the size of the piston. Larger pistons get pressed at higher tonnage. I've built two factories that press pistons and other auto parts. As an industrial electrician. After the piston is pressed. It's blasted then reheated to just below melting point and then immediately quenched to add strength. That's what give the forged aluminum it's superior strength. Then after quenching they are blasted again and then machined to spec. There isn't really any other forging method for forged aluminum pistons. Maybe in China and other foreign countries. But in the states that's how every piston is forged.

2003 A6 2.7T 6spd Stage 1+ (motor pulled for stage 3+ upgrades)

2001 Allroad TIP Stage 1
2006 A3 2.0T 6spd Stage 1

[RMode]

What forged isn't forged and cast isn't cast. That makes zero sense. Forged pistons are made one way and one way only. No ifs ands or buts about it. Billet aluminum pistons are cut from a solid piece of aluminum either 2618 or 4032, some other types depending on application. The mold is heated along with the billet chunk in a separate oven to a certain temperature. Then pressed at around 500ton. Give or take depending on the size of the piston. Larger pistons get pressed at higher tonnage. I've built two factories that press pistons and other auto parts. As an industrial electrician. After the piston is pressed. It's blasted then reheated to just below melting point and then immediately quenched to add strength. That's what give the forged aluminum it's superior strength. Then after quenching they are blasted again and then machined to spec. There isn't really any other forging method for forged aluminum pistons. Maybe in China and other foreign countries. But in the states that's how every piston is forged.

2003 A6 2.7T 6spd Stage 1+ (motor pulled for stage 3+ upgrades)

2001 Allroad TIP Stage 1
2006 A3 2.0T 6spd Stage 1

There are material differences in the alloys used for forging. Simply saying one is 4032 or 2618 unfortunately, isn't enough, as the source matters, sometimes insignificantly, sometimes tremendously, depending on the desired results and tolerances. In a similar way to things being stainless steel having a wide variation of quality. I too have extensive experience on the manufacturing side of things in this realm. Your statement about other countries is spot on - it varies greatly, and with many of the products out there, one simply does not know where it's ultimately being sourced from. Farm to table if you will. The nuances can definitely matter significantly in various setups. There are some factories that simply do this far better than others.

On the typical street driven car, or even a higher powered setup, the nuances often do not matter. But at the higher end of the spectrum, particularly for endurance racing and the like, it can have a substantial net effect.

[AudiAR01]

There are material differences in the alloys used for forging. Simply saying one is 4032 or 2618 unfortunately, isn't enough, as the source matters, sometimes insignificantly, sometimes tremendously, depending on the desired results and tolerances. In a similar way to things being stainless steel having a wide variation of quality. I too have extensive experience on the manufacturing side of things in this realm. Your statement about other countries is spot on - it varies greatly, and with many of the products out there, one simply does not know where it's ultimately being sourced from. Farm to table if you will. The nuances can definitely matter significantly in various setups. There are some factories that simply do this far better than others.

On the typical street driven car, or even a higher powered setup, the nuances often do not matter. But at the higher end of the spectrum, particularly for endurance racing and the like, it can have a substantial net effect.Yeah I get what you mean now. When you posted that I was confused lol. But the 2.7T pistons are made of 2618 billet.

2003 A6 2.7T 6spd Stage 1+ (motor pulled for stage 3+ upgrades)

2001 Allroad TIP Stage 1
2006 A3 2.0T 6spd Stage 1

[G2G]

There are material differences in the alloys used for forging. Simply saying one is 4032 or 2618 unfortunately, isn't enough, as the source matters, sometimes insignificantly, sometimes tremendously, depending on the desired results and tolerances. In a similar way to things being stainless steel having a wide variation of quality. I too have extensive experience on the manufacturing side of things in this realm. Your statement about other countries is spot on - it varies greatly, and with many of the products out there, one simply does not know where it's ultimately being sourced from. Farm to table if you will. The nuances can definitely matter significantly in various setups. There are some factories that simply do this far better than others.

On the typical street driven car, or even a higher powered setup, the nuances often do not matter. But at the higher end of the spectrum, particularly for endurance racing and the like, it can have a substantial net effect.

That's true, forgings are often folded or forged in different ways to align the grain structure of the base material into a certain pattern or along a certain axis. You do this so when you manufacture your part you can get the best strength, shear, and fracture toughness in the specific direction you need for your design. This is obviously more expensive to do so not everyone specs this out, especially if that level of grain pattern alignment isn't needed for the application.

Base materials as well vary. Any spec for AMS 6061 or AMS 5589 has a range that base materials can be in as well as base mechanical properties, so you can be on the low or high end and sometimes exceeding the high end. You will 100% have variation from lot to lot and within each lot as far as the actual mechanical properties of each piece that is forged.

So "forged is forged" is not a good statement, it can vary a large amount, and can still vary even within a particular material spec.

[Mocke]

This is where Simon Sharp admits they have stepped away from BorgWarner.

You are buying China wheel very expensive turbo.
Remember - as a consumer you have the legal right and can return the products if its not as described.


https://i.ibb.co/q0yRjRP/4.jpg
https://i.ibb.co/b2VZNX2/5.jpg



This is the old style Gen 1 TTE600 with True BorgWarners rs6 turbines

https://i.ibb.co/PhzwJ40/7.png


This is their Gen 2 TTE600 with China 9 blade wheel.

https://i.ibb.co/HKypJk6/8.jpg


Choice is yours.
Regards.

[RS6Tuner]

The choice is the customers yes so stop trying to influence.

Had a TTRS TTE700 with 9blade turbine made in china go 9.0 SEC at 153mph 1/4 MILE today... NEW WORLD RECORD for hybrids ! Also considered the best most reliable hybrid by most all in the 2.5 platform world.

Been many world records before too and will continue on these types of turbines.. Just look around as so many of the big turbo guys are now using on all platforms!

We been using these types of turbines for many years in our range, so what.. there great! Simple fact is Kemal you have zero technical knowledge on turbines to say good or bad you just want harm TTE now as we will not supply you and you need to sell TTH


Know this Mocke your new turbo supplier TTH uses 9Blade turbines made in china in there turbochargers also and have been for quite a while just take a look at their IG.

GET OVER IT Kemal move on no.. you really do sound like a bitter man.

If you read this top picture you posted above... date is 11th may 2020

But sure quality is very good or we would not be moving to and not using the oem shafts we have and get with the turbos.... Meaning we are removing BWTS turbines from and choosing to replace for 9 blade turbines!

Noticed you cut out your approval/ thumbs up and the full conversation on that day.

https://hosting.photobucket.com/images/p613/TheTurboEngineers/half_the_picture_1.jpg?width=1920&height=1080&fit=bounds (https://app.photobucket.com/u/TheTurboEngineers/p/b021c22f-042c-4935-93ca-8fa335faa52f)

https://hosting.photobucket.com/images/p613/TheTurboEngineers/half_the_story_2.jpg?width=1920&height=1080&fit=bounds (https://app.photobucket.com/u/TheTurboEngineers/p/f6b0f4c5-57dc-4164-a159-9e51830c63d1)

second picture is part of a different conversation (different day 7th may 2020) and you was happy it seemed "this is good stuff". For info we just waited 9 months for K27 as back order from BorgWarner.

https://hosting.photobucket.com/images/p613/TheTurboEngineers/half_the_story_2_.jpg?width=1920&height=1080&fit=bounds (https://app.photobucket.com/u/TheTurboEngineers/p/130802d2-abd9-4885-b8c7-303803f92f45)

[AudiAR01]

Jesus you two are still bickering about this. Worst than two women.

2003 A6 2.7T 6spd Stage 1+ (motor pulled for stage 3+ upgrades)

2001 Allroad TIP Stage 1
2006 A3 2.0T 6spd Stage 1