KW EDC Cancellation Kit + Mag Ride + Coilovers - any shop/manufacturer want to help?

[will13k7]

By now there have been multiple instances of folks still getting error codes when attempting to run coil-overs on an S3 equipped with Mag Ride, even after installing the KW EDC Cancellation Kit (68510370).

KW thinks their kit is operating correctly and that the height sensors are getting out of range due to lowering the car. One of the faults is with the Ride-Height Sensor, but there is another fault for the Valve for Damping Adjustment. It's possible the height-sensor being off is also causing the other fault, but who knows for sure.

KW could be right and we need to fabricate a part to put the height sensors back in range or find some way to disable the ride-height sensors via VAG-COM. Until this is done, it seems the ball is in our court (the customers) to prove that this is or isn't the issue.

Are their any Tuner shops or Product companies willing to fabricate a part to get the height sensors back in range? If this fixes the issue, I would think this would be a sellable part that anyone with mag-ride who wants coils would need, but I'm no expert in regards to this.

When the error is thrown, traction control can not be disabled or won't stay disabled, this is the main issue, other than the annoying and embarrassing errors that get thrown on the dash, which also blocks out other content from being shown (radio station/song).

Codes:

Address 14: Susp. Elect. (J250) Labels: 8V0-907-376.clb
Part No SW: 8V0 907 376 E HW: 8V0 907 376 E
Component: DAEMPFUNGS-SG H09 0072
Serial number: 280115000
ASAM Dataset: EV_AudiMagneRide 002003
ROD: EV_AudiMagneRide_AU37.rod
VCID: 43855E16CA62FA260B-8016

5 Faults Found:
2117646 - Front Left Ride-Height Sensor
C1034 07 [008] - Mechanical Failure
Intermittent - Confirmed - Tested Since Memory Clear
Freeze Frame:
Fault Status: 00000001
Fault Priority: 3
Fault Frequency: 1
Reset counter: 238
Mileage: 4804 km
Date: 2015.08.28
Time: 08:48:42

3149829 - Valve for Damping Adjustment Front Left
C1040 1D [008] - Current Implausible
Intermittent - Confirmed - Tested Since Memory Clear
Freeze Frame:
Fault Status: 00000001
Fault Priority: 3
Fault Frequency: 1
Reset counter: 238
Mileage: 4826 km
Date: 2015.08.28
Time: 10:46:16

3153925 - Valve for Damping Adjustment Front Right
C1041 1D [008] - Current Implausible
Intermittent - Confirmed - Tested Since Memory Clear
Freeze Frame:
Fault Status: 00000001
Fault Priority: 3
Fault Frequency: 1
Reset counter: 238
Mileage: 4827 km
Date: 2015.08.28
Time: 10:46:48

3158021 - Valve for Damping Adjustment Rear Left
C1042 1D [008] - Current Implausible
Intermittent - Confirmed - Tested Since Memory Clear
Freeze Frame:
Fault Status: 00000001
Fault Priority: 3
Fault Frequency: 1
Reset counter: 239
Mileage: 4894 km
Date: 2015.08.28
Time: 16:01:15

3162117 - Valve for Damping Adjustment Rear Right
C1043 1D [008] - Current Implausible
Intermittent - Confirmed - Tested Since Memory Clear
Freeze Frame:
Fault Status: 00000001
Fault Priority: 3
Fault Frequency: 2
Reset counter: 248
Mileage: 4894 km
Date: 2015.08.28
Time: 16:01:23

Code thrown after aggressive cornering:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o_i-UwAMYco

Dash indicator, goes away after shutting off the car and turning it back on:
https://farm6.staticflickr.com/5631/20337247593_dba21c3547_b.jpg

Front Height Sensors (Green Part):
https://c1.staticflickr.com/1/685/22454610631_56183e7de1_b.jpg
https://c2.staticflickr.com/6/5820/22255736540_68ae682cde_b.jpg

Rear Height Sensors (Green Part):
https://c1.staticflickr.com/1/624/22430659402_35fc1052a3_c.jpg
https://c1.staticflickr.com/1/711/22454853591_97e4a6eb06_c.jpg


I get these errors multiple times a week, I don't even have to get that aggressive in the corners, and sometimes just with braking.

Hopefully a tuner shop/manufacturer can help out us enthusiasts here. [:)]

[phillyquattro]

The fact that KW thinks their kit is operating correctly is absurd. These are coil over kits, the vast majority of people buy them to lower their cars. How was this not considered by them when creating the kit? Did they think people are just going to upgrade to coil overs and then keep their cars at the stock ride height? If so why doesn't KW mention ride height requirements in their own description of the product?

In KW's own words:


KW Cancellation Kits
Cancellation kits eliminate persistent trouble codes that exist when upgrading a suspension on a vehicle with electronically regulated dampers.
KW is the only manufacturer that offers the solutions whereby the serial damper regulation is shut down and at the same time trouble code avoided. The functioning of the of the control unit remains completely intact.

I feel like they've basically stolen money from me by selling me a product that doesn't do what they said it does.

If someone created a product to resolve the issues that KWs product doesn't I'd be all over it.

[coolwater]

The fact that KW thinks their kit is operating correctly is absurd. These are coil over kits, the vast majority of people buy them to lower their cars. How was this not considered by them when creating the kit? Did they think people are just going to upgrade to coil overs and then keep their cars at the stock ride height? If so why doesn't KW mention ride height requirements in their own description of the product?

In KW's own words:



I feel like they've basically stolen money from me by selling me a product that doesn't do what they said it does.

If someone created a product to resolve the issues that KWs product doesn't I'd be all over it.

That's terrible man. I'm thinking there has to be a way in Vagcom to do a mag ride delete.
We need someone like DavidB8 to crack the vagcom coding....

-cW

[Benji00]

Subscribed ! Thank you for starting this for us.

[will13k7]

Same codes for phillyquattro's car:

Address 14: Susp. Elect. (J250)
...

2 Faults Found:
3149829 - Valve for Damping Adjustment Front Left
C1040 1D [008] - Current Implausible
Intermittent - Confirmed - Tested Since Memory Clear
Freeze Frame:
Fault Status: 00000001
Fault Priority: 3
Fault Frequency: 4
Reset counter: 81
Mileage: 688 km
Date: 2015.11.30
Time: 17:12:21

3153925 - Valve for Damping Adjustment Front Right
C1041 1D [008] - Current Implausible
Intermittent - Confirmed - Tested Since Memory Clear
Freeze Frame:
Fault Status: 00000001
Fault Priority: 3
Fault Frequency: 4
Reset counter: 81
Mileage: 688 km
Date: 2015.11.30
Time: 17:11:58

[phillyquattro]

With the car sitting at it's new ride height it takes me a while longer to throw a suspension error...but I still throw them nearly every time I drive the car. :-(

[will13k7]

^^ that's good info, it adds support to the ride-height sensors playing a role.

I'm thinking the higher your car, the harder you have to drive to throw a code, since you need to compress your suspension more to get the sensors out of range.

I would think those with mag-ride + h&r supersport springs would have a similar issue though, but we haven't heard from anyone with this combo having issues, so this still makes me think the KW EDC delete kit is to blame somehow, at least until someone with SS + mag-ride throws codes too.

[velodb]

Again, as I have noted many times before and I will keep saying it when I see stuff like this. Firstly, I feel badly for you both to have to deal with this. You paid top dollar to what is perceived as a "reputable" company only to have to deal with codes like this. When they say "kits/suspension/part" specifically designed for a platform and end users have these issues it is CLEARLY not specified for the platform. They threw some stuff together and now you the end user have to deal with this and hope that somebody else will pry into your wallet for a solution.

When will people start holding these vendors accountable? I guess that is wishful thinking because most people just run out and throw their money at these vendors in the hopes that the end product will deliver what has been promised and they MOSTLY don't.

Good luck and I hope you both get a favorable solution to spending the sums that you have only to be reminded of it and having a stupid code and warning come up. That would drive me crazy and as I have gotten older I guess is the main reason I look for cars that deliver what I want from the manufacturer as I am over throwing my money away and having to spend time and energy to fix it.

People just don't deliver on what they say anymore and that is what is wrong with our society on so many levels.

[phillyquattro]

I created posts about this on VW Vortex in the MKVII Golf/GTI (http://forums.vwvortex.com/showthread.php?7469905-Error-codes-when-upgrading-to-coilovers-from-DCC&p=90987105#post90987105) and MKVII Golf R (http://forums.vwvortex.com/showthread.php?7469897-Error-codes-when-upgrading-to-coilovers-from-DCC&p=90987081#post90987081) forums. Curious to see if other MQB platform owners are experiencing the same issues we have.

[Oreganoflow]

I posted the answer in the GolfR forum in response to this - here (http://forums.vwvortex.com/showthread.php?7442882-KW-DCC-Coilovers-Installation-and-Impressions).

I had the same problem after installing the KW DCC Coilovers, the problem is because your ride height sensors are beyond their operating capability with the car being considerably lower than intended. I shortened the sensor arms by 10mm and the problem is fixed. I can almost guarantee this will fix your problem. email me with any questions as I don't use this board - [email protected]

https://c2.staticflickr.com/6/5666/23133215199_b63a17b498_o.jpg

[949]

I'm curious, if you install just springs that are low. will that cause the error codes to come up?

[will13k7]

Thanks @Oreganoflow!, this sounds really promising. good idea branching out to the other MQB models philly!

Looks like we have to buy the whole assembly if we mess them up:

http://www.audiusaparts.com/audi/s3/5q0412522c/2015-year/premium-plus-trim/2-0l-l4-gas-engine/electrical-cat/electrical-components-scat/?part_name=level-sensor&position=right
http://www.audiusaparts.com/audi/s3/5q0412521c/2015-year/premium-plus-trim/2-0l-l4-gas-engine/electrical-cat/electrical-components-scat/?part_name=level-sensor&position=left

not too bad, apparently they are used for the headlight leveling.

[phillyquattro]

I posted the answer in the GolfR forum in response to this - here (http://forums.vwvortex.com/showthread.php?7442882-KW-DCC-Coilovers-Installation-and-Impressions).

I had the same problem after installing the KW DCC Coilovers, the problem is because your ride height sensors are beyond their operating capability with the car being considerably lower than intended. I shortened the sensor arms by 10mm and the problem is fixed. I can almost guarantee this will fix your problem. email me with any questions as I don't use this board - [email protected]

https://c2.staticflickr.com/6/5666/23133215199_b63a17b498_o.jpg

Thanks so much for the suggestion. Going to give this a shot.

[Stam4765]

I have a KW cancellation kit in my car (not coils, air ride) and the fault is pretty much gone, but it does show up every once in a while. When i turn the car off and on again it goes away. I'll post the codes if it happens again, curious to see if its the same code for coils. I also want to try a few different heights to see if i can force a fault that way.

[phillyquattro]

That's why don't get MagRide LOL

If you want black optics (which for me was a requirement) you can't avoid it.

[phillyquattro]

Sent the details about the "fix" to 034 and made an appointment for Wednesday. Unless they recommend against this "fix" I'll let you know what happens.

[will13k7]

https://c2.staticflickr.com/6/5786/23462860900_041a02c43a_o.jpg

[phillyquattro]

https://c2.staticflickr.com/6/5786/23462860900_041a02c43a_o.jpg

You and me both. The downer is that I leave for the east coast this weekend and likely won't have much time (if any) to test the "fix". So don't expect any solid feedback from me for a while. [:/]

[will13k7]

I'm in direct communication with KW now. There appears to have been a miss-understanding with 034's last email to KW, which is why we did not get a response from them. They now have indicated:


... we cannot suggest to cut, weld, or bend any parts on your vehicle that we have nothing to do with.

I replied quoting their product literature which indicates:


Cancellation kits eliminate persistent trouble codes that exist when upgrading a suspension on a vehicle with electronically regulated dampers.

I then mentioned that their current solution does not eliminate persistent trouble codes, and asked if they can offer any solutions.

I'm awaiting their response.

[phillyquattro]

I'm in direct communication with KW now. There appears to have been a miss-understanding with 034's last email to KW, which is why we did not get a response from them. They now have indicated:



I replied quoting their product literature which indicates:



I then mentioned that their current solution does not eliminate persistent trouble codes, and asked if they can offer any solutions.

I'm awaiting their response.

After talking with 034 they told me "we're not bending any sensor arms". However they did say they may have figured out a way to recalibrate the height sensors and if that fails we'll create new mounting points for the sensors. Both those ideas sound far better than bending the sensors. [up]

[will13k7]

After talking with 034 they told me "we're not bending any sensor arms". However they did say they may have figured out a way to recalibrate the height sensors and if that fails we'll create new mounting points for the sensors. Both those ideas sound far better than bending the sensors. [up]

lol @ "we're not bending any sensor arms", I didn't like that idea either. The metal will likely fatigue. That's cool 034 is looking for more solutions now (I didn't think it really was their problem, awesome that they are helping out)!

The KW folks got back to me pretty quickly, they asked me to fill out a "Tech Sheet" which includes things like ride-height. They also indicated they will pass this information off to senior advisors for further review.

It's nice that folks are helping out more now. [:)]

It would be awesome if the solution was just a software configuration change via VAG-COM.

[phillyquattro]

lol @ "we're not bending any sensor arms", I didn't like that idea either. The metal will likely fatigue. That's cool 034 is looking for more solutions now (I didn't think it really was their problem, awesome that they are helping out)!

The KW folks got back to me pretty quickly, they asked me to fill out a "Tech Sheet" which includes things like ride-height. They also indicated they will pass this information off to senior advisors for further review.

It's nice that folks are helping out more now. [:)]

It would be awesome if the solution was just a software configuration change via VAG-COM.

It would be so good if the solution is just software config related.

Want to loop some of us into the discussion with KW? Not sure how you're communicating with them but I'm happy to fill out a tech sheet as well. Figure the more details we give them, and from more people, the better chance we have of them resolving things from their end.

[will13k7]

It would be so good if the solution is just software config related.

Want to loop some of us into the discussion with KW? Not sure how you're communicating with them but I'm happy to fill out a tech sheet as well. Figure the more details we give them, and from more people, the better chance we have of them resolving things from their end.

I emailed them directly this time around, here's the tech sheet they would like us to fill out:
https://www.dropbox.com/s/x2obx5w6qkpmqr6/Tech%20Sheet%20.pdf?dl=0

I would be happy to email everyone's tech sheet to KW, or you can follow the approach I took by emailing them directly via this webform: http://www.kwsuspensions.com/contact/customer

[[email protected]]

Not having an 8V with magride here to play with it's hard to say, but I would suspect if you can do a basic setting for the ride height after lowering any of the level sensor codes should go away.

The level sensors have a basic setting where they "know" the factory ride height. When this goes out of range for the sensor, thinking you've broken something or the sensor is faulty, by lowering you'll get codes from the level sensor. You should be able to do a basic setting on the sensors as they are and the car will then "know" that the height the sensor is at now is the new normal.

The other valve codes should be what the EDC kit gets rid of. So if you still have those then something isn't working right with those emulators.

Cheers,

[will13k7]

Thanks for that insight Alex! [up]

[phillyquattro]

Just got back from 034 earlier today. Their opinion (at least for my car) is exactly what Alex said in regards to if you're getting other errors beyond ride height (dampening) then the emulators aren't working correctly. In my case I've only gotten dampening errors on the front corners and no ride height errors. So I need to talk to KW and see if I can get another kit from them as the working theory is my front emulators aren't working but the rears appear to be. I had them fill out the KW tech sheet as it relates to my car.

So the hunt continues....

[Oreganoflow]

just bend the damn arms. it takes all of 20 minutes to pop them out, bend them -10mm and pop them back in.

it fixes the problem. if you're worried, they're like $15 each from the dealer.

you guys are making this way too complicated.

[will13k7]

you guys are making this way too complicated.
haha, maybe. We'll see, bending is last resort right now.

[Oreganoflow]

there is no other resort. kw is going to keep giving you the run around. their product is only going to work to a certain limit of low. beyond that and you're on your on. it's clearly stated in the installation manual of their coils.

bend the damn arms and thank me later.

[phillyquattro]

there is no other resort. kw is going to keep giving you the run around. their product is only going to work to a certain limit of low. beyond that and you're on your on. it's clearly stated in the installation manual of their coils.

bend the damn arms and thank me later.

Bending the arms won't actually fix anything for me as I'm not getting ride height related errors. My issue are with dampening errors being thrown on just the front two corners. The rear corners seem to be fine so the assumption is that the emulators on my front corners aren't working correctly. I'm working with KW to come to a solution but with holiday travel and what not it will be a while before I have any updates and even longer till I have a resolution.

[Oreganoflow]

that's exactly the error. this is what i got and it hasn't shown up since i fixed it. it's only for the front arms. the rear can't be bent as it's plastic. i think they engineers knew what they were doing by making the fronts aluminum and adjustable.

i've already been through everything you're going through and i'm trying to save you the hassle.

I can forward you probably the same responses from kw.

https://c1.staticflickr.com/1/699/23893618505_d9dcd7fb7c_c.jpg

[will13k7]

that's exactly the error.

Thanks Oreganoflow! I'm still hopeful all the codes are related to the front height sensors. I will probably end up bending them myself after I hear back from KW indicating they can't help any further and when it stops raining! [>_<]

There's a reason why 034 won't bend them and why KW won't recommend doing this, it's because its a crude hack. Kind of sucks to do that to a 50K car, but it is what it is if it comes to that.

[phillyquattro]

that's exactly the error. this is what i got and it hasn't shown up since i fixed it. it's only for the front arms. the rear can't be bent as it's plastic. i think they engineers knew what they were doing by making the fronts aluminum and adjustable.

i've already been through everything you're going through and i'm trying to save you the hassle.

I can forward you probably the same responses from kw.

Do you have the specific error codes you were getting? Also if the bending hack only works for the front dampeners how will that help get rid of the rear dampening issues Will is receiving? I haven't thrown any rear ones on my car yet so it doesn't much matter to me personally but I am curious.

[will13k7]

My hope is the height sensors are playing some type of role in triggering the "Valve for Damping Adjustment" error on all four corners, for example, maybe the height value is used somehow to interpret the damping's current value. Then when the height sensors go out of range this screws up the damping calculation. Maybe wishful thinking, but not unproven yet. [:)]

I sent KW my tech sheet this morning, now they have two examples to work off of. Still hoping they come up with something novel.

[WAF]

Hey guys just lurking around and seen this as i'm interested in an S3 for future. This is my take on it as an electrician, I have the ADS error kit (more or less resistors) myself but have not had any issues but my car is older and different model.

So if you start your car and no error the kit is working correct (to a point) as once you turn on your car without the KW you should automatically receive a code as you circuit resistance is way out. The adjustable height arm is an ancillary contact within that circuit, kind of like an secondary check valve. Which when Under/Over limit is exceeded this is what is signaling the code. So I'm my mind there's 2ways on getting this corrected.

1- Adjust said height of control sensor within limits of your current height which will be tedious and time consuming. Everytime you change height this will have to be done again.

2-KW adds another circuit connection to the height control sensor omitting any input from this sensor.

[Oreganoflow]

My hope is the height sensors are playing some type of role in triggering the "Valve for Damping Adjustment" error on all four corners, for example, maybe the height value is used somehow to interpret the damping's current value. Then when the height sensors go out of range this screws up the damping calculation. Maybe wishful thinking, but not unproven yet. [:)]

I sent KW my tech sheet this morning, now they have two examples to work off of. Still hoping they come up with something novel.

*sigh

[RingNut]

Lol.

If you're worried about bending your arm, buy a second one and have a fab shop cut it down for you.

[will13k7]

Here's KW's response:



Looking at the information provided the issue he is experiencing leads right back to his ride height sensors.

It would make since that the front height sensor is the only axle throwing a code as this is the only axle that is outside the range of our coilover system. I mention our coilovers because they were designed to work within the range of the car travel limitations whereas the kit he has allows the vehicle to go beyond those parameters. Point being, our kits will not allow the front sensor to become out of range whereas the kit Will has does. As mentioned in previous messages, and having been confirmed also by our engineers in Germany, when the height sensors reach a value that is “out of range” it subsequently triggers damper codes in the ECU thinking that there is something wrong with the dampers since they have allowed the car to go that low, and reach that value. It literally has nothing to do with the EDC units themselves.

There isn’t much more support we can provide at this point unfortunately. If Will would raise the front end of his car up 5-10mm his issues should be alleviated, if the wishes to keep the car at the current height, he will have to modify his front link in some way to bring the height sensor back into a useable range, plain and simple.

The part about KW's coilovers not allowing the height sensor to go out of range is interesting since Oreganoflow is running KW coilovers on a Golf R. Their statement also is confusing since I've shown them rear suspension codes too, but those code's were before I raised the rear and I haven't pulled codes since, so maybe I don't have rear codes anymore and they are just going off my car's current ride height in the rear.

This part below matches what I've been thinking all along:


when the height sensors reach a value that is “out of range” it subsequently triggers damper codes in the ECU thinking that there is something wrong with the dampers.

Disappointed no other solution can be provided, but they are not obligated to come up with one. I didn't think the delete kit itself wasn't doing what it should since I would have codes all the time, but I hoped they could have came up with something else given their engineering expertise.

I would prefer replacing the metal arm connecting to the front sensor with a fabricated adjustable part, but I kind of doubt anyone would be willing to make that.

I'll probably end up bending the front arms since I hate wheel well gaps and there's no way I'm raising it.

[will13k7]

I went ahead and pulled some codes to see if raising the rear did get rid of the rear codes. I raised the rear on 9/17/2015, a rear code was thrown on 11/6/2015, so I guess I'm still not high enough in the rear, but I actually was thinking of going 1/8" lower in the rear, so its not likely I will raise it.

Address 14: Susp. Elect. (J250) Labels: 8V0-907-376.clb
Part No SW: 8V0 907 376 E HW: 8V0 907 376 E
Component: DAEMPFUNGS-SG H09 0072
Serial number: 280115000
ASAM Dataset: EV_AudiMagneRide 002003
ROD: EV_AudiMagneRide_AU37.rod


2 Faults Found:
3153925 - Valve for Damping Adjustment Front Right
C1041 1D [008] - Current Implausible
Intermittent - Confirmed - Tested Since Memory Clear
Freeze Frame:
Fault Status: 00000001
Fault Priority: 3
Fault Frequency: 5
Reset counter: 169
Mileage: 9450 km
Date: 2015.11.19
Time: 17:21:25

3158021 - Valve for Damping Adjustment Rear Left
C1042 1D [008] - Current Implausible
Intermittent - Confirmed - Tested Since Memory Clear
Freeze Frame:
Fault Status: 00000001
Fault Priority: 3
Fault Frequency: 3
Reset counter: 156
Mileage: 8836 km
Date: 2015.11.06
Time: 17:05:11

I guess bending the front won't solve the problems I have in the rear, so fuck it. I'm guess I'm living with the codes.

[markn1689]

That is total crap. Id throw that kw shit straight into the garbage. Put stock back on and forget it ever happend.
whoever sold you that kit sucks as well

[will13k7]

Well that was the KW brand manager's response, trying to piece together some flawed reasoning to justify why they will not help any further.

Though the response had flawed technical reasoning, the intent of the response was heard, which was basically: "we will not help any further, we suggest you raise your car, and good luck".

To be truly free of error codes at a ride height other than close to stock, we need adjustable right-height sensor connectors for all four corners, in addition to the KW Delete Kit. It would be awesome if a company could produce and sell these. I would pay a premium price for them, that's for sure.

[[email protected]]

Any of you guys thought about contacting a lowering link company? For cars with air suspension they use the same style level sensors and several companies make adjustable links just like those. Obviously you wouldn't be using them to lower the car, but it would get rid of your errors.

http://www.airmatic-lowering-links.co.uk/standard-lowering-links/

Cheers,

[will13k7]

Any of you guys thought about contacting a lowering link company?
http://www.airmatic-lowering-links.co.uk/standard-lowering-links/


Thanks Alex, worth a try, I sent them a note! [:)]

[Oreganoflow]

dude, you still haven't bent the arms?

no codes here!
https://c1.staticflickr.com/1/569/22874004244_8610d83d34_c.jpg

[will13k7]

dude, you still haven't bent the arms?

no codes here!
https://c1.staticflickr.com/1/569/22874004244_8610d83d34_c.jpg

Car looks dope man. I'm surprised you're not getting codes in the rear, your car is lower than mine in the rear, about the same in the front.

I'd like to get an adjustable link that we can easily adjust as we adjust the car's ride height. Plus the rear link is plastic and I might need to adjust that to get rid of the rear codes I'm getting.

[will13k7]

@Benji00 @phillyquattro @Stam4765, any of you going to try the bend method?

[will13k7]

Whoa, I just got an email from mark@airmatic-lowering-links, saying they would be more than happy to make these parts for us!



Hi there Will

I would be more than happy to help you guys.

Measure the length of the original front and rear linkages and I will make you adjustable linkages that will address the problem.

A couple of questions that will help me –

Are there two linkages at the front and two at the rear of the car?
If the linkage are designed to become shorter than the original linkages will this resolve the problem or should the linkages be made longer?

I will attempt to turn round the linkage within three working days for the point I receive your answers

Kind regards

Mark


This is awesome. I plan to get some precise measurements and get back to Mark.

[Benji00]

Will - that is awesome!

Please keep us posted. Thanks for your time on this.

[[email protected]]

Whoa, I just got an email from mark@airmatic-lowering-links, saying they would be more than happy to make these parts for us!

This is awesome. I plan to get some precise measurements and get back to Mark.

Glad that they could help!

[phillyquattro]

Whoa, I just got an email from mark@airmatic-lowering-links, saying they would be more than happy to make these parts for us!



This is awesome. I plan to get some precise measurements and get back to Mark.

That's great to hear. I was going to contact 034 when I get back and talk to them about fabricating new mount points but I'll just wait a little longer to see what you hear back from Mark.

[will13k7]

I finally got some time today to get the wheels off the car, but I don't think I'm going to be able to get very accurate measurements. I'm going to look into buying one front and one rear replacement and sending it to Mark so they can measure them. The main problem is where to start and stop measuring from, I had to estimate the center of the connection of the top and bottom, so I know I'm going to be off a mm here or a mm there, especially with the front since it has a bend in it.

For the front, the top half of the link was around 2 1/4", while the bottom half was around 2", the straight line was about 4" (probably doesn't add up exactly (remember a2 + b2 = c2? lol). For the rear, it was around 3 1/4" long. It does look like the rear needs to be shorter, just like the front.

I'll see what Mark has to say, since its going to be an adjustable piece, maybe it doesn't need to be super accurate if they make it a little longer than needed, then we can adjust more shorter if needed.

I got some good pictures of the front and rear piece with the wheels off:

Front:
https://c2.staticflickr.com/6/5697/23953639811_42dc19584c_b.jpg

Rear:
https://c2.staticflickr.com/2/1474/23409417533_2960c6a203_b.jpg

The KW delete kit in the front (part with yellow triangle symbol on it), just for fun, there's just one thread left on the front coils!
https://c2.staticflickr.com/2/1678/24036178925_ca8fbfc1f4_b.jpg

The jack stand pad, just for fun:
https://c2.staticflickr.com/6/5813/23668348509_5fc43ae366_b.jpg

Also, since I had the wheels off, I went ahead and lowered the rear 3/16" to reduce the forward rake, now it looks level if not a slight forward rake.

[will13k7]

To update the thread, Mark@airmatic-lowering-links plans to make some trial linkages this week and send them to me to try out. They are graciously doing this free of charge! These guys are awesome!

[phillyquattro]

To update the thread, Mark@airmatic-lowering-links plans to make some trial linkages this week and send them to me to try out. They are graciously doing this free of charge! These guys are awesome!

That's great to hear. I have an appointment with 034 next week to fabricate some new mount points for the sensors. Planning to start with the front ones and see if that eliminates everything before worrying about the rears. I'll let you know how that goes.

[Benji00]

Awesome stuff. I'm not sure if it's the cold or what but I'm getting errors every time I drive now, which I really enjoy.

[will13k7]

That's great to hear. I have an appointment with 034 next week to fabricate some new mount points for the sensors. Planning to start with the front ones and see if that eliminates everything before worrying about the rears. I'll let you know how that goes.

Nice! Look forward to hearing about the results!

[will13k7]

Awesome stuff. I'm not sure if it's the cold or what but I'm getting errors every time I drive now, which I really enjoy.

lol, I've been telling my wife "my audis are always beeping at me", TPMS, coolant level, and the suspension codes with the S3, TPMS, oil level, and a CEL once with the S4. they love to beep at me on the freeway too. [facepalm]

[markn1689]

lol, I've been telling my wife "my audis are always beeping at me", TPMS, coolant level, and the suspension codes with the S3, TPMS, oil level, and a CEL once with the S4. they love to beep at me on the freeway too. [facepalm]

the s3 is your wifes and you 'upgraded' her suspension and now she gets to deal with all the warnings and beeping?

[will13k7]

the s3 is your wifes and you 'upgraded' her suspension and now she gets to deal with all the warnings and beeping?

she doesn't drive an audi.

[Workflow]

In for updates.

[phillyquattro]

Did some testing at 034 last week only to come up empty handed. Had them do some measurements so I could fill out a tech sheet that KW had sent over. The signal strength on my right rear sensor was about 1.5Ω higher than the rest (1.9Ω compared to the other 3 corners sitting at .4Ω or .5Ω). KW reviewed the details and determined that my kit is not acting correctly. The over nighted me a new kit but it'll be a couple weeks before I have the time to get to it and swap them out. I'll be sure to follow up after making the swap. I'll know if the new kit worked within 2 miles of my drive home.

[phillyquattro]

Finally an update here, but not a positive one. Swapped out the old delete kit with the new one KW sent me. Same results. Threw a code right after the highway onramp not 5 minutes away from 034. At this point I'm just going to live with the error as I've spent enough time and money trying to debug KWs product. [headbang]

Serious question: Does anyone in an 8V car with magnetic ride have this installed and is not getting errors?

[will13k7]

Swapped out the old delete kit with the new one KW sent me. Same results. Threw a code right after the highway onramp not 5 minutes away from 034.[headbang]

[down] bummer.


At this point I'm just going to live with the error as I've spent enough time and money trying to debug KWs product. [headbang]

I also haven't heard from Mark@airmatic-lowering-links about the adjustable links, don't feel like pestering them if they don't have time or don't want to follow-through.

I've also decided just to live with the codes since I really don't have time to deal with it.

[phillyquattro]

Such a bummer. I'll just wait and hope that someone figures out a way to disable it via VCDS or the ECU or some other better product or black magic. I'm open to all possibilities at this point. It's annoying because I won't be able to disable traction control for track events or just having some fun with the car. KW is dead to me.

[Brett]

You guys have any updates on this??

[will13k7]

nothing's changed here. I haven't seen any new products pop up, or else I would try them.

[DWP]

That's why don't get MagRide LOL

That's why I dont have COs (LOL)

[Benji00]

Ya know, with the amount of folks that have aftermarket coils...granted they have to have MR to experience this issue, you'd still think we'd be creating enough noise for KW to correct a known issue with a production product.

Does anyone have the MR+KW module and had 0 issues?

[Cairo94507]

That's why when I buy parts I use my CC. If I bought and installed these KW parts on my car and they did not work as advertised and specified, I would contact my CC company and dispute the charge as a faulty product/false advertising and let the CC company debit the amount from KW's account. I would never accept a fault code on a $50K car that forces me to see it every time I drive it. That is total BS. I will never buy anything from KW.

[jshwon]

I'm still curious about this subject. I know Will and Philly have had persistent issues but there are also those who have had no issues with the delete kit but both are on air ride. One guy local to me had his installed along with his Airlift/Accuair combo and hasn't seen any issues. The other said he had it once but it never came back. The air ride has the adjustability to keep it in range but these guys ride heights are as low or lower than most CO setups.

Just wonder if it is an defect issue or application issue. I'll probably be going air so it makes a difference to me.

[Karbon]

No updates on this ? Other then the light coming on the dash. Does it effect the car at all ?

[will13k7]

other than the annoying light, traction control can't be disabled (or gets re-enabled) when it throws the code, which could be a problem for track guys.

the only thing new is that I found an easier way to get the car to throw a code, which is just drive around 20-40mph and keep steering your car left-to-right, right-to-left, to make your car wiggle a little within a lane.

[Karbon]

That's insane they haven't came out with a solution for this. But with the limited options of springs, we don't have much of a choice.

Coilovers or airride

[Karbon]

What would Happen If you installed coilovers without the delete kit ? It would do the same thing I would imagine. Throw codes etc

Don't see the point in buying it if that's the case.

[robertsonsylee]

User ddillenger (RIP) was able to crack the mag ride on the r8.. maybe someone is brave enough to compare a non mag ride s3 to a mag ride one and do the changes.

http://www.r8talk.com/forums/5-general-discussion/101522-disable-mag-ride-without-canclellers.html#/topics/101522?page=1&_k=b17bmx


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[phillyquattro]

What would Happen If you installed coilovers without the delete kit ? It would do the same thing I would imagine. Throw codes etc

Don't see the point in buying it if that's the case.

My car throws the suspension error every single time I drive it...so I might as well have installed it without the kit.

[Karbon]

My car throws the suspension error every single time I drive it...so I might as well have installed it without the kit.

How annoying is the light? Be honest lol

What coilovers are you running ?

[phillyquattro]

How annoying is the light? Be honest lol

What coilovers are you running ?

Annoying? It's annoying paying $400 for a part that doesn't do what it's supposed to do. It's annoying that said part works for some people, works sometimes for other people, and never works for other people. It's annoying having KW send you a new one and then when the same exact thing happens, try to blame 034 for improper install. GTFO with that nonsense KW. It's annoying explaining to every passenger in your car what the error chime was that they just heard go off. It's annoying not being able to disable traction control because I know as soon as step on it and hit 35-40MPH, or take even a slightly aggressive turn, that error is going to happen and re-enable traction control (not a good thing in certain scenarios). Other than all that...not annoying at all. [:/]

I'm running Bilstein B14s with a good drop but by no means aggressive.

I have my original EDC kit sitting in the package in my closet of misc parts. If you want to spend $100 to find out if it works for you as opposed to $400 let me know. I'll throw in a Spulen silicon turbon inlet hose and Spulen "street" dogbone mount as well just to get rid of them (neither have been used).

[Karbon]

That sounds like a nightmare lol - Thanks for the honesty. I'm going to see which route over the weekend. If I decide I need it maybe I'll give it a shot. Appreciate it !!

[Karbon]

Are you sure your running the correct kit will ? Just wondering because I was told to get 68510248 and not the 370 from my supplier.

I'm going to have him cross reference the numbers tomorrow. Maybe he gave me a older part number

[S3BURPS]

Are you sure your running the correct kit will ? Just wondering because I was told to get 68510248 and not the 370 from my supplier.

I'm going to have him cross reference the numbers tomorrow. Maybe he gave me a older part number

Isn't the 68510248 the part number for the 2007-2012 platform S3?


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[Karbon]

Maybe I'm going crazy. Seems like 248 is for the S3 and 370 is for the A3 ? Not 100 percent tho.

http://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20161111/302325becfa96524da9c69f9c6c25cbb.pnghttp://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20161111/41ea1308cb548d3fd79dc5e7991167f5.png

[S3BURPS]

Maybe I'm going crazy. Seems like 248 is for the S3 and 370 is for the A3 ? Not 100 percent.

Click that small [+] Show vehicle listing. Ours comes up there if you scroll.


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[Karbon]

Click that small [+] Show vehicle listing. Ours comes up there if you scroll.


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You mean select the car individually ? If so I did and it's 248

http://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20161111/334efa583684c77797e6bdb28c2d99e4.png

[S3BURPS]

Weird. It's listed under the 370.
http://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20161111/7b781a1ff650585672c93aa0fc3277cc.png


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[Karbon]

So weird. Did you try it my way as well ? I could be wrong,I'm just trying to figure out which is correct lol

I'm wondering if this is why some people are having problems and some aren't.

[S3BURPS]

So weird. Did you try it my way as well ? I could be wrong,I'm just trying to figure out which is correct lol

I'm wondering if this is why some people are having problems and some aren't.

Did it your way and 370 pops up still for me.


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[phillyquattro]

370 for me. It's what I was originally told to buy. It's also what KW asked me to ship back to them and sent me a new one of. Pretty sure if it was the wrong part KW would have called that out first in all my talks with them and all the tests they had me run.

[carlito.p]

Just wanted to share a setup that worked for me without any codes thrown after a week and a bit of driving around town and some spirited weekend driving. I went with the H&R Street Performance coilovers + KW EDC Delete kit. I'm wound down pretty low too. I'm at 318 mm from fender to mid center cap all around. Haven't thrown a code once.

Not sure if it makes a difference, but I had the KW delete kit installed about a week after the coils because I received them late. So I did live with the fault for about a week. Super happy that the KW kit is working... For now!

http://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20161118/476c87f22d8ba6b833b46184a8bb2a0a.jpg
http://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20161118/0fd24b83d94959a2f1246fae26400702.jpg
http://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20161118/ecca09449885f6b2bf4b5ca975bdb74e.jpg

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[will13k7]

Super happy that the KW kit is working... For now!
Wow, that's awesome... how hard have you pushed it? folks can consistently get codes going 40-50mph around a loop ramp. if it's working for you, then that would make me think its not height related?

[carlito.p]

Wow, that's awesome... how hard have you pushed it? folks can consistently get codes going 40-50mph around a loop ramp. if it's working for you, then that would make me think its not height related?
I hit a bunch of on/off ramps this weekend at those speeds for sure.. No codes.

The shop I frequent has installed same setup on 3 Golf R's and no faults. I was the first S3... So far so good.

Just to confirm also, part # for my KW kit ends in 370 also..

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[Karbon]

How does the kit work for some people and not others. Makes no sense at all lol. And Carlitos car looks slammed

[will13k7]

I hit a bunch of on/off ramps this weekend at those speeds for sure.. No codes.
damn, you're a lucky guy, placing any bets this weekend?

[carlito.p]

damn, you're a lucky guy, placing any bets this weekend?
Haha. I should...

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[will13k7]

How does the kit work for some people and not others. Makes no sense at all lol. And Carlitos car looks slammed

I think you're onto something, it's not that we are too low, it's that we are not low enough! we gotta slam it like carlito! (carlito's car is looking good by the way)

[Karbon]

I think you're onto something, it's not that we are too low, it's that we are not low enough! we gotta slam it like carlito! (carlito's car is looking good by the way)

Lmao,There you go !!!

Either that,Or slam it then wait a week to install the Kw kit. One or both of those worked :)

[Mops@Nemesis]

Damn that looks good! @carlito.p

[Karbon]

His car sits perfect. Lowest I've seen so far #Static

[carlito.p]

Damn that looks good! @carlito.p
Thanks Mops!


His car sits perfect. Lowest I've seen so far #Static
For those wondering about FTG measurements, I'm 24"1/4 up front and 24"1/2 rear. Also running 12mm spacers up front and 15mm in the rear. No audible rubbing while driving, but I did notice a very faint rub line on the outside of my front tire top sidewalls, where sidewall meets tread. I'm considering going down to 10mm spacers up front.

The H&R's, despite how low I'm sitting feel great! Firm enough in the corners and more aggressive driving, yet still comfortable enough around town and even over road imperfections. Super quiet too, but could also be because I replaced both front (with 034) and rear (with oem) strut mounts and bearings.

My pregnant wife and 4 year old daughter have approved [emoji41]


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[Karbon]

Next question is. Why aren't all the coilovers coming with camber plates for $1500 smh

[phillyquattro]

Next question is. Why aren't all the coilovers coming with camber plates for $1500 smh

Because they can charge you an extra $500 for them. That's why. [:p]

[Karbon]

Because they can charge you an extra $500 for them. That's why. [:p]

So they think lol

I can buy a set of ST XTA coilovers with camber plates for the same price as B16s and any other comparable coilover :)

[mossback]

I just wanted to say< I have an 8S TTS and have the exact same problem. This really sucks as I take the car on the track, and need my TC off.

[mossback]

To add: I just contacted iSweep from Japan who say they have a unit for MRC.

I will be getting this ASAP, to give it a go, I spoke to Jerry at Neuspeed at length about it and it sounds like it works as advertised.

http://isweep.jp/products/ecscanceller.html

[949]

Just wanted to share a setup that worked for me without any codes thrown after a week and a bit of driving around town and some spirited weekend driving. I went with the H&R Street Performance coilovers + KW EDC Delete kit. I'm wound down pretty low too. I'm at 318 mm from fender to mid center cap all around. Haven't thrown a code once.

Not sure if it makes a difference, but I had the KW delete kit installed about a week after the coils because I received them late. So I did live with the fault for about a week. Super happy that the KW kit is working... For now!

http://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20161118/476c87f22d8ba6b833b46184a8bb2a0a.jpg
http://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20161118/0fd24b83d94959a2f1246fae26400702.jpg
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got any more pics of the car?
I'm interested to see how this color and wheels looks lowered. if you have more different angles that would be awesome.

[carlito.p]

got any more pics of the car?
I'm interested to see how this color and wheels looks lowered. if you have more different angles that would be awesome.
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[will13k7]

issue solved in another thread:

http://www.audizine.com/forum/showthread.php/710084-Magnetic-Ride-Lowering-Options-Discuss

basically, iSweep's works, KW's doesn't. There might be a way to code it out, but there is inconsistent feedback here so far. Also, if you get height sensor codes, your height sensor might be defective.

[949]

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cool thanks for the link man. too bad your not local I would have given you wholesale on the kw suspension direct from the warehouse.

[carlito.p]

cool thanks for the link man. too bad your not local I would have given you wholesale on the kw suspension direct from the warehouse.
? I'm running H&R coils... But the KW delete kit..

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[949]

? I'm running H&R coils... But the KW delete kit..

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oh my bad, i should have said h&r with the kw delete kit as i can do most brands.

i always believe in paying it forward if i can.

[scrapin240]

Just as an update, the issue still happens to this day. My MK7.5 R has the same issue which popped up on track. KW never seemed to update their logic.

I'll try the arm bending and see if it works.