(DavidAAG) - K0R-GT Turbo Build

[DavidAAG]

I just thought I might as well start making a build thread cuz I'm just waiting for my last piece for everything to go in Tuesday or Wednesday (if my rai dp and 300 cell HFC comes Tom. or Monday.) I have an 08 "s-line" a4 tip.
So the progress: I bought the K0R off of (baggednbanging) also bought his forge dv, bsh CC, and S3 injectors.

What I have in my car right now is:
-APR HPFP
-BSH Catch Can
-034motorsport silicon turbo inlet tube
-K&N drop in
-APR stage 2
What's sitting in garage waiting for RAI downpipe and hfc is:
-Stasis exhaust system (cat-back)
-K0R-GT turbo
-S3 injectors
-Forge DV
-Boost Guage (I forgot where from because redline speed worx ordered it for me and it's shipped to their shop)

The tune I want is maestro. Which I would buy but I heard of ppl struggling tuning their car on their own. Which will take a lot of fails until it's perfectly tuned. So got convinced by Ryan at redline to get the "Stage 3" K04 tune.

I'm watching operators build it being a tip and K0R turbo to compare the part of how much is it really worth me buying a FMIC and maestro.
That just about sums it up. I'll keep u guys posted on how everything goes.

PS. Glissoars build scared me a bit for my car. So I'm trying to play it safe and still have a fast fun car with K04 tune.

Edit: I forgot to add how I'm stage 2 with apr. I went to S2 with APRs HPFP (still with stock catback and downpipe.)

[SykoraA4]

Doesnt sound like Glossoar's turbo was the culprit though. I'm super pumped to see more K0R builds, and I added your build thread into the K0R appreciation thread.

[DavidAAG]

Doesnt sound like Glossoar's turbo was the culprit though. I'm super pumped to see more K0R builds, and I added your build thread into the K0R appreciation thread.

Cool thanks. I heard the first video u had up. And wow that turbo sound is amazing. I can't wait. I hope it's loud like that outside of my car when I'm driving.

[SykoraA4]

that one was taken with the hood up, but even with the hood closed it is pretty loud. its a mean sounding turbo for sure.

[ericpaulyoung]

It was likely the tune on glissnoar, so just make sure to get a "proven" tune. Personally I would hit the APR or Unitronic tune as they are literally running on thousands of VAG 2.0T cars. Why risk it?
- Eric

[DavidAAG]

It was likely the tune on glissnoar, so just make sure to get a "proven" tune. Personally I would hit the APR or Unitronic tune as they are literally running on thousands of VAG 2.0T cars. Why risk it?
- Eric

Exactly what I thought. So I'm just gonna run the conservative ko4 "stage 3" tune.
As an update; my rai dp and hfc has not came in yet. Still waiting for them to even ship it. So it's actually still saying Processing. Which sucks but Hey can't rush perfection. I'll post my dyno after everything is on. (Have to find an AWD one first.)

[glissoar]

Exactly what I thought. So I'm just gonna run the conservative ko4 "stage 3" tune.
As an update; my rai dp and hfc has not came in yet. Still waiting for them to even ship it. So it's actually still saying Processing. Which sucks but Hey can't rush perfection. I'll post my dyno after everything is on. (Have to find an AWD one first.)

Tuning was not the issue, I was running a conservative tune, my motor was just weak for whatever reason

[drumnjuny]

Tuning was not the issue, I was running a conservative tune, my motor was just weak for whatever reason

while you might be sure of this, and i'm not knocking you for that at all.... others may not be. So I understand david's concern and it makes sense that he wants to remove as many volatile or even possibly-failure-prone variables as possible.

[drumnjuny]

Exactly what I thought. So I'm just gonna run the conservative ko4 "stage 3" tune.
As an update; my rai dp and hfc has not came in yet. Still waiting for them to even ship it. So it's actually still saying Processing. Which sucks but Hey can't rush perfection. I'll post my dyno after everything is on. (Have to find an AWD one first.)

they do all their fab work in house, and are VERY backed up right now... so unfortunately we all have to wait for our parts [up]

[DavidAAG]

Finally got an email saying my down pipe was shipped... Very excited to see what this car can do.

Such a crappy thing happened to me. Def. was my fault cuz I did something I shouldn't have done one the highway but to get to the point I got 2 flat tires last night [headbang]. Also got a flat almost a year ago and didn't get a new tire. So that's 3 out of my 5 gone. But as good news I ended up just buying new rims and tires (I know coilovers first but needed tires asap) which I will show u when it gets mounted on my car Tom.

Here is a picture of them: http://img.tapatalk.com/484eec3d-6c62-df5d.jpg

[Operator]

So are you currently lowerd at all?

[DavidAAG]

So are you currently lowerd at all?

:-/ nope. I guess u can say I'm "s-line" suspension lowered right now. Which to me is better then being non s-line suspension. I seen the difference of the two and there is a huge gap compared to the s-line suspension. And hopefully 19" rims makes it look a little nicer.
They just called me too saying I can pick up my car. So I'll take some pictures when I get home and post them up.

[DavidAAG]

Pictures of how it sits now.
http://img.tapatalk.com/484eec3d-099e-1afc.jpg
http://img.tapatalk.com/484eec3d-0a07-30cf.jpg

[ericpaulyoung]

lower that baby!!!

looks good.
- Eric

[DavidAAG]

While I was admiring my new rims outside in this nice weather (70 degrees in march wow) I saw ups coming down the road. I thought nah can't be for me cause they just shipped my DP and HFC 2 nights ago. But they came to me and said here u go.... Super excited to put everything in my car now. Rims were a little expensive and put a hole in my pocket cuz I did take some of my installation money to put towards this unexpected rims and tires purchase but I should be ok. I'll most likely have everything installed by Tuesday maybe Wednesday. But here is how everything is sitting in my garage.
http://img.tapatalk.com/484eec3d-0fa9-5385.jpg
My K0R, S3 injectors, and dv.
http://img.tapatalk.com/484eec3d-1048-d6b9.jpg

[ericpaulyoung]

Is that KOR in the huge STASIS box?

- Eric

[drumnjuny]

woot!! this is getting me super amped to see some parts of my kit lol

congrats

[drumnjuny]

Is that KOR in the huge STASIS box?

- Eric

i think that's his catback [up]

[ericpaulyoung]

Totally throw a branch resonator on that STASIS!!!! World of difference.
- Eric

[DRAKLORE]

Awesome[up]

I love those TSW.. Mmmm

[DavidAAG]

Thanks guys. I'm super excited too. And ya like drumnjuny said it's my catback, to the left is my downpipe and 300 cell HFC, above in white box is my old plastic turbo inlet tube., and my turbo and other stuff was behind all that in another box.

[AudiTFSI3o3]

SOB how did you get your K0R already? I'm still waiting :(

[DavidAAG]

SOB how did you get your K0R already? I'm still waiting :(

Haha I'm sorry man I hope u do get it soon. But I got it like a month ago from baggednbanging. He is parting out with his car and only put like 800 miles on it. I think that's what he said. So he gave me a really good deal that I couldn't let pass.

[AudiTFSI3o3]

Haha I'm sorry man I hope u do get it soon. But I got it like a month ago from baggednbanging. He is parting out with his car and only put like 800 miles on it. I think that's what he said. So he gave me a really good deal that I couldn't let pass.

oh yeah i remember now haha. i thought you got it from RAI but i missed your first post. D'oh!

[DavidAAG]

I just dropped my car off at shop! Can't wait until Tom. Everuthing i bought is going into car. Stock sti tried to race me today. Had to back off cuz he def would have made me look dumb. Wish my car good luck!!!

[drumnjuny]

awesome!!!!! i am very jealous/excited for ya. congratulations!

[DavidAAG]

This is just taking to long for me. I'm waiting very impatiently cuz how excited I am. And I still havnt gotten a phone call from them to pick up my car. I'm probably gonna call them in like an hour or so. I'll keep u guys posted.

[SykoraA4]

Get it done already. K0RRRR

[drumnjuny]

<- the least patient person ever, haha i tend to make too many phone calls. but then again when you've invested that much $ in a shop, an update is the least they can do [up]

[DavidAAG]

<- the least patient person ever, haha i tend to make too many phone calls. but then again when you've invested that much $ in a shop, an update is the least they can do [up]

Hahaha me too. They just called me and told me they might not be done until Tom :-/. But I told them if they can please have it done by 6 (when they close) cuz I'm too anxious for this. And I'm trying Sykora. I want this done soooo bad. I maybe can take a stock sti or stock evo right??? Haha just asking cuz there's a lot of those around here.

[SykoraA4]

.. I maybe can take a stock sti or stock evo right??? Haha just asking cuz there's a lot of those around here.

This will happen if done tonight. if not done tonight... you will loose. [:D]

[DavidAAG]

This will happen if done tonight. if not done tonight... you will loose. [:D]

Hahahaha. Ahhhhh. C'mon don't say that. I'm about to call them again lol. And I just got off the phone with them 15 min ago.

[DavidAAG]

So just got an update on my car. They are performing a carbon clean right now and waiting for Audi to give them a clip for my injectors.

[rkesh88]

I didnt think you needed that clip for when you install the s3 injectors. Argh more parts to get lol

[DavidAAG]

I didnt think you needed that clip for when you install the s3 injectors. Argh more parts to get lol

Right it really sucks. I dropped car off Sunday night then they said I should get it mon or tues, then said wed, now thurs :-/. Oh well this better be a thing of beauty.

[drumnjuny]

Right it really sucks. I dropped car off Sunday night then they said I should get it mon or tues, then said wed, now thurs :-/. Oh well this better be a thing of beauty.

worth the wait if you ask me!!

[DavidAAG]

Well here's an update. My car will be ready today. Then they gave me some bad news (bad news always comes with everything u want to go great) telling me that the car is misfiring. They said they now have to change the spark plugs and the coil packs. So I first dropped my car off expecting to spend $1,300 tops now I end up with total +tax coming out to $2017.68... Well that's total poop. They are pros over there and they are actually giving me a great deal for everything they have bought for the car and the labor. So my baby will hopefully not be misfiring anymore after this. And I guess like Ryan said from redline speed worx wanting a modded car def. costs a lot of money.

[drumnjuny]

spark plugs and coilpacks are covered by AoA!! i suggest getting a separate invoice for the labor and parts cost of those, and mailing them in to AoA or taking them to your local dealership. you should be able to get the cost covered... AoA will send u a check in the mail.

[ericpaulyoung]

Get the Okadas! The more you push them the more they deliver. If you push 21 psi or more, you are looking at an additional 30 whp just from the Okada coil packs. There is infinite amount of reviews of these things online for subies and EVOs. Plus Winston is doing a group buy right now.
- Eric

[Operator]

So you want him to up his original $1300 budget to $2625.68 to get your favorite coils that do everything but bring peace to the world [;)]

[SykoraA4]

how bad is it missing? make sure they regap the plugs, mine missed really bad initially too. regapped the plugs and everything smoothed out.

[DavidAAG]

spark plugs and coilpacks are covered by AoA!! i suggest getting a separate invoice for the labor and parts cost of those, and mailing them in to AoA or taking them to your local dealership. you should be able to get the cost covered... AoA will send u a check in the mail.

So I can just show my dealer my old coil packs and spark plugs then they'll refund my money??? I would love that. U make it sound so easy???..

[DavidAAG]

how bad is it missing? make sure they regap the plugs, mine missed really bad initially too. regapped the plugs and everything smoothed out.

Ummm. Not sure really. And if I new what regapping was I would have done that. But I already bought the new stuff. And they are gonna test drive the car in like 40 min. They said I should be hitting 25 psi and staying around 20 psi. I'm excited :-)

[Operator]

Whoa, what tune are you usung that's going to get you 25psi?!?

[ericpaulyoung]

Whoa, what tune are you usung that's going to get you 25psi?!?

Wow 25??
- Eric

[DavidAAG]

They giving me a k04 tune. I'll record for u guys to see if it really hits 25 but that's what they said. But listen to this. I drove over there. And now the tune or injectors, or hpfp isn't working so they kept the car again :-/. Sucks. But all those things I got from them or Audi so itll be taken care of for free. I did get to hear my car. And wow. Pure sex!!! Tits!!! Loved it. Still sucks but here I go waiting a little bit longer. Either get my car back Tom. Or Monday.

[Operator]

Well I'm not sure if you are getting the APR K04 tune or one of the other 4 options. But 25psi sounds like a mighty high number. I'm not sure what Will hits, but I didn't really hit that with the S3 K04 tune. When i had the outdated K04 tune, I peaked around 25psi, but just briefly......

[DavidAAG]

Exactly what I thought. But they are very reliable ppl. So let's see how it goes. And if "25" is really gonna happen.

[SykoraA4]

my boost is wack right now. it spikes way too high.

Regapping the plugs simply means adjusting the gap, essentially the size of the spark. With a larger gap, the spark can be "blown" out with high boost, causing misfires. you want a smaller gap to prevent this.

[SykoraA4]

And now the tune or injectors, or hpfp isn't working so they kept the car again :-/. Sucks..

hmmm. they need to explain whats going on a little better I think. do they have any kind of diagnosis?

[rkesh88]

What is the correct gapping needed for this? I bought brk7e IXs from RAI and wanna double check them now.

[Operator]

.30
http://www.audizine.com/forum/showthread.php/423881-The-B7-A4-Spark-Plugs-Replacement-Guide

[DavidAAG]

hmmm. they need to explain whats going on a little better I think. do they have any kind of diagnosis?

Ya. I feel the same way but that's exactly how they told me. So now I'm waiting on an answer from them. I really hope it's today.

[drumnjuny]

Ya. I feel the same way but that's exactly how they told me. So now I'm waiting on an answer from them. I really hope it's today.

yup i would definitely ask for more details. if it wasn't so far away i'd tell you to just roll over there and start hanging out, lmao

[DavidAAG]

yup i would definitely ask for more details. if it wasn't so far away i'd tell you to just roll over there and start hanging out, lmao

Haha. I would def hang out there. They have an Xbox 360 in waiting room, nice LCD screen tv, coffee, leather seats and bunch of cool car magazines.. So def. would chill there to see how it's going. But nope. Looks like I'm waiting until Monday for them to be done with everything.

[Operator]

From what I've seen, installs rarely go as smoothly as planned. But once you're in the drivers seat, it'll all be forgotten.

[DavidAAG]

Haha ya I thought so. I can't wait for my car. But I mostly can't wait for your maestro tuning. If it puts out as much as I hope it does for u (u getting atleast 320whp or more) I'm def. getting rods, pistons, and maestro after Vegas trip :-). And I have a question for u *operator and *sykora.. Just wondering only if u took it to a drag strip (1/4 mile) what was your numbers. Or as ppl say it "what did u trap" (I think that's the saying.) I would make a thread about this but I'm not such a fan of making threads. Don't want to be flamed on.

[Operator]

I doubt I will ever go to a drap strip. In a few months, I may be able to give you my lap times at High Plains Raceway, but that's about it......

[drumnjuny]

there is a thread with drag times [up]

[DavidAAG]

Well I still don't have my car. I miss that thing so much. It really sucks using my brothers lancer to get to places. Worst part is that I still don't know what the problem is.

[drumnjuny]

Well I still don't have my car. I miss that thing so much. It really sucks using my brothers lancer to get to places. Worst part is that I still don't know what the problem is.

this is why i have lost all faith in shops

[DavidAAG]

this is why i have lost all faith in shops

By Friday they would have my car for 2 weeks! 2!!! It's killing me.... I really don't know what to think. Worst part is I paid them already too. :-/

[drumnjuny]

By Friday they would have my car for 2 weeks! 2!!! It's killing me.... I really don't know what to think. Worst part is I paid them already too. :-/

shops have a lein on your car while you leave it with them until you pay it off. so you're obligated anyway to pay whatever. at least you're not paying for 2 weeks labor since you already paid??

[DavidAAG]

Ya they already told me I don't have to pay them anymore for anything. But I just want my car up and running already. They havnt even called me to tell me how's it going. Today being the second day no call. Makes me think was all this money worth it??

[seal66]

That is pretty shitty. so the car if miss firing still correct?

[drumnjuny]

haha i wouldn't consider the money a waste just yet... its only been two weeks [:p] once u get in the driver's seat i'm sure you'll think differently!

[rkesh88]

This is really scaring me, mycar goes in tmrw to elite and its my DD so i hope its all smooth or im shit outta luck

[ericpaulyoung]

This is really scaring me, mycar goes in tmrw to elite and its my DD so i hope its all smooth or im shit outta luck

Exactly the reason to go for a trusted tune like APR or REVO, rather than take your chances at the local "tuner" shop.
- Eric

[DavidAAG]

Exactly the reason to go for a trusted tune like APR or REVO, rather than take your chances at the local "tuner" shop.
- Eric

This is an apr shop. And it isn't local at all. I drive hour and half to get there. I get everything tuned apr and hpfp apr and love apr. But they are trying to make everything perfect. Which is not giving me a misfiring car or a car with any problem at all. Which is great and all but it def is taking longer then I thought. Just like a read and was told by a couple ppl. "some get really lucky the first time but most go thru a little hassle until perfect" unless I take car as is which they did offer to let me take the car but I know it would have been a dumb move.

[jibatnes]

Exactly the reason to go for a trusted tune like APR or REVO, rather than take your chances at the local "tuner" shop.
- Eric

Revo is a trusted tune. To bad they dont offer anything more than stg 2+ ;)

Sorry to hear about your problems DavidAAG. Hopefully all your concerns will go away when you get to drive the car :)
Looking forward to hearing the results of this. :)

[DavidAAG]

Revo is a trusted tune. To bad they dont offer anything more than stg 2+ ;)

Sorry to hear about your problems DavidAAG. Hopefully all your concerns will go away when you get to drive the car :)
Looking forward to hearing the results of this. :)

I'll def keep everyone updated. And yes hopefully :-/

[DavidAAG]

Just got off the phone with the shop and the problem is to them the injectors. So now I have to replace them (2 of them) which is gonna cost more for labor and for injectors. This turned out to be the worse 2 weeks ever...

[okswerve16]

What problem could there be with 2 brand new injectors?

[drumnjuny]

and why would you have to pay with them if there was a problem with them new?? sounds fishy.

[rkesh88]

were they seated right with the new orings? i are confused

[RAI Motorsport]

I just got back up to speed on this. If your shop needs any support from us, have them call us. Also if we provided your injectors we can warranty them out. One of our dealers , Apex Tuning in north carolina had a problem with a faulty injector as well. We warrantied them out. We need to start watching the S3 injectors carefully at this point. This would be 3 failed injectors total that ive seen. We buy them from the dealer still, so it is a OES injector.....I wonder if their may be a slight defect rate occurring.

[DavidAAG]

I just got back up to speed on this. If your shop needs any support from us, have them call us. Also if we provided your injectors we can warranty them out. One of our dealers , Apex Tuning in north carolina had a problem with a faulty injector as well. We warrantied them out. We need to start watching the S3 injectors carefully at this point. This would be 3 failed injectors total that ive seen. We buy them from the dealer still, so it is a OES injector.....I wonder if their may be a slight defect rate occurring.

Someone got it from an Audi dealer for me and he says he will get me new ones if I give him the other ones he gave me but it's gonna take too long of a process. So what I'm doing is buying 2 new ones from my shop, then give back the the other ones. Question is will they give me money back or new injectors. I rather have the money back. And thank u very much for your response. I'll actually have them call u guys Monday if it doesn't turn out good :-/.

[DavidAAG]

and why would you have to pay with them if there was a problem with them new?? sounds fishy.

As for paying for them. Since I bought the injectors (not from them) I have to pay for the labor of them opening it up again. But they took 1 hr of labor off which is pretty cool.

[drumnjuny]

ah, understood. i didn't realize

[Operator]

What's the word herb?

[ericpaulyoung]

I just got back up to speed on this. If your shop needs any support from us, have them call us. Also if we provided your injectors we can warranty them out. One of our dealers , Apex Tuning in north carolina had a problem with a faulty injector as well. We warrantied them out. We need to start watching the S3 injectors carefully at this point. This would be 3 failed injectors total that ive seen. We buy them from the dealer still, so it is a OES injector.....I wonder if their may be a slight defect rate occurring.

That worries me. I bought my S3 injectors from baggednbangin, who decided to part out his car because he couldn't get rid of a misfire issue that was never solved. Nice, !!! Is there a way to test these to make sure they are good?

- Eric

interesting
http://www.autodiagnosticsandpublishing.com/feature/fuel-injector-testing.htm

[DavidAAG]

Here is the word. Eric you'll be fine injectors weren't the problem. Now their telling me they are so booked up to pick up car so I can have one for the week (it is my DD) then drop it off next Wednesday do they can work on it all day. Since they basically tried everything. They now think it might come down to it being the turbo. Which would be the worse ever cuz I did buy it off of baggednbangin. But I'm hoping he can take care of the situation if that is the case.

[Operator]

Can you take a weekend trip to RAI?

[okswerve16]

What is the issue to begin with?

[ericpaulyoung]

I don't think the turbo can throw a misfire code. Correct me if I am wrong, but it is either:
1. lean fuel condition (fuel injector fault) or
2. bad spark condition (coils, plugs, or the ECU pulling back to protect your engine due to signals that indicate a dangerous condition)

- Eric

EDIT
"A shorted injector coil that draws too much current, a bad injector driver, an ECM that cuts pulsation to the injector due to an overheating problem to keep the engine cooler and clogged injectors are all possible conditions that will set those persistent misfire codes. In some cases, as in an overheating engine, the problem is not the injector itself but some other condition that causes the injector not to pulse and therefore create the misfire."

From the injector site posted above.

[DavidAAG]

I actually am considering driving to rai in Baltimore. I spoke to ray already and he said he will help. And as for what u just said Eric* they put new coils new plugs and new injectors. And neither of those helped.

[okswerve16]

What are the stored codes?

[ericpaulyoung]

Yeah, that is pretty funky.
Eric

[ericpaulyoung]

If RAI has a spare crank position sensor, have them swap it out and test. The ECU pulls misfires from this signal and can be adjusting injection based on a bad signal, and the cause of the poor running.
Eric

[ericpaulyoung]

"Why do all think the mafs are faulty, they never are

check fuel pressure and check misfire recognition, if its counting up on only one cylinder then its either

compression, coil pack, plug partial blocked injector from carbon build up (if you scope the injector you will see the pattern alter showing partial spray)

the crank sender devines the misfire as the rpm will alter thus the pre mapped crank revolution will ping the mil and hopefully pin point which cylinder

just my findings and i work on these every day and have NEVER REPLACED A MAF ON A TFSI YET

its normally poor remaps, vacuum leaks, plugs and injectors and in some cases camshaft and valve's sticking

take your pick but check mvb's for misfire recognition before you do any thing

note when a cylinder misfire is detected the ecu shuts the injector down and then re balances the fuel to smooth over the imbalance, this can catch you out

if you have a vacuum leak then the lambda will pick this up so you can simply spray a solvent based aerosol like carb cleaner around the area and monitor the lambda values to determine if you have a leak

misfire, use cylinder recognition measured values

boost look at pressure for air and fuel and also valve timing"

From a UK forum

Eric

[DavidAAG]

Lol kinda lost me there a bit, but they will be sending the logs to my email tom. Which I will post here for u guys to see then. And if anyone can help me and explain how at first baggednbangin was having only cylinder 1 misfire, and I'm having cylinder 3 and 4 misfire, meaning 2,3, and 4 were working when he took it off and now 1, and 2 are only working?? Please explain how that is possible and what can possibly cause this? When they already:
Carbon cleaned
Changed injectors
Changed spark plugs
Changed coils
Checked wastegate
Checked ecu and apr flash (they said they will check it again)

And that's what they have told me they done. I'm sure they done much more but that's what they told me so far. I'm probably going to rai to see if they can solve the problem or hopefully on Wednesday Redline speed worx solves it so I don't have to drive down to rai.

[ericpaulyoung]

Lol kinda lost me there a bit, but they will be sending the logs to my email tom. Which I will post here for u guys to see then. And if anyone can help me and explain how at first baggednbangin was having only cylinder 1 misfire, and I'm having cylinder 3 and 4 misfire, meaning 2,3, and 4 were working when he took it off and now 1, and 2 are only working?? Please explain how that is possible and what can possibly cause this? When they already:
Carbon cleaned
Changed injectors
Changed spark plugs
Changed coils
Checked wastegate
Checked ecu and apr flash (they said they will check it again)

And that's what they have told me they done. I'm sure they done much more but that's what they told me so far. I'm probably going to rai to see if they can solve the problem or hopefully on Wednesday Redline speed worx solves it so I don't have to drive down to rai.

From what I am reading, random misfire codes are likely a bad sensor or a bad map. If you have a faulty map, your ECU tries to compensate to protect your engine, and will pull the injection on cylinders as it picks up warning signals. Similarly, if you have a faulty sensor that is sending warning signals, the ECU does the same thing and tries to protect itself. Have them try a COMPLETELY different K04 file and see if it disappears (REVO, APR, or GIAC). Just to rule this out. If the random misfires go away, then bamm.

- Eric

EDIT - Everyone has their opinions, the quote I got above was from a shop that in their experience it was always a map, coil, or plug problem. But I have read several guys that it was the MAF. So have them also just unplug the MAF first and see if this solves it. This is easier to do, so do it first. This would indicate that your MAF sensor is at fault.

[DavidAAG]

Cool thanks. Since I have the car until next Wednesday. Can I unplug the MAF and drive with it to see if that's the problem? And is there anything I can do without harming the car?

[ericpaulyoung]

Cool thanks. Since I have the car until next Wednesday. Can I unplug the MAF and drive with it to see if that's the problem? And is there anything I can do without harming the car?

Yup. Just unplug and you run in closed loop mode. Or open loop mode? I forget the terminology. Report back if it worked, then send me $10 diagnosis fee if it did ;-0)
- Eric

[DavidAAG]

Yup. Just unplug and you run in closed loop mode. Or open loop mode? I forget the terminology. Report back if it worked, then send me $10 diagnosis fee if it did ;-0)
- Eric

I would literally send u $20 if this works lol. But just to get this straight, the MAF is the plug connected to out CAI right? (which I have the stock one)

[ericpaulyoung]

Look at the picture for step 3 in the following post. It is the electrical connection you see in the picture. The electrical connection is typical Audi, so push in, use a flathead to pull the little tab back a bit, then pull out.
http://www.audizine.com/forum/showthread.php/305176-034Motorsport-B7-A4-2-0T-FSI-Silicone-Turbo-Inlet-Hose-Installation

- Eric

[DavidAAG]

Well I'm not having much success taking this off lol.

[rkesh88]

it will take a lot of wiggling lol, thats how mine came out.

[ericpaulyoung]

push it together tighter (like you are putting it back on), then use a flathead screw driver to twist beneath the little black clip (away from the direction you are pushing) then you may hear a little pop and pull back. Once you get used to them, they are easier. but yup, a pain in the ass.
I am starting my wonderful hour commute home, I expect a report by then!!
= Eric

[DavidAAG]

Hahaha. I'm flipping out right now trying to get this off.

[okswerve16]

Those clips can be such a bitchhhhhh I broke 2 before I figured out a trick on how to remove them. I use a small awl/pick and shove imbetween the clip and then they pop right off.

[DavidAAG]

Idk if breaking the clips is gonna make this harder but I def. broke them. I wiggle, use brute strength (not really but I seriously try), and I squeeze the shit out of it while wiggling and nope. No budge. In the good side kinda weird that my turbo "doesn't work" when I hit 10 almost 11 lbs of boost today. I then let go of the gas cuz when I reach around 7 grand all u hear is a pop pop out of the exhaust so no more of that lol. And I boost around 4 grand which is not right at all for a K0R-GT I'm sure.

[rkesh88]

It really irks me that your car isnt running right. And it cant be the tune cause the tune is optimized for s3 injectors. What K04 map are you running? The new revised APR one?

[seal66]

trust me the the tune can cause problems if the file was not uploaded right. I found this out with my uni tune

[ericpaulyoung]

I didn't catch if you got it off but broke the clip, or if you think you broke the clip trying, but didn't get it off to test the MAF?
Eric

[DavidAAG]

Nope didn't get it off :-/. That thing is a bitch. I really can't stand how much I tried to take that shit off. And as for my tune, yes I am running whatever is the most recent apr K04 tune in guessing. Should I ask them to reflag stage 2+ tune and see if that works? Also wanted to know how the hell will I be able to take off the MAF now with clips broken?

[SykoraA4]

Try pushing the clip in and then wiggling it. what are your plugs gapped at? (sorry if I already asked)

[DavidAAG]

Try pushing the clip in and then wiggling it. what are your plugs gapped at? (sorry if I already asked)

Not sure. I wish I knew what that even meant.

[ericpaulyoung]

Not sure. I wish I knew what that even meant.

check this out
http://www.flickr.com/photos/66331933@N04/7029915947/

- Eric

[SykoraA4]

the gap, or distance from the side electrode to center electrode. this determines how big of a spark your plugs can make. you should be around .28 which is a bit smaller then stock (i can't remember the stock gap, around .35 or something) you want a smaller gap because the higher boost can blow the spark out, resulting in misfires.

[Operator]

You may be one of the last cars able to get APR's K04 tune without getting their kit. Looks like they changed their policy.

[ericpaulyoung]

You may be one of the last cars able to get APR's K04 tune without getting their kit. Looks like they changed their policy.

Can you link to this change? Just wondering, as my plan was to get the K04 software upgrade from them.
- Eric

[Operator]

Can you link to this change? Just wondering, as my plan was to get the K04 software upgrade from them.
- Eric

This link used to have a separate price just for the tune.
http://www.goapr.com/products/turbo_long_20t_fsi_k04.html

Here http://www.goapr.com/products/ecu_upgrade_20tfsi_long.html under K04 it states

Software Cost Included with APR ED30/S3 K04 Conversion Package, Not Sold Seperately
Upgrade Incentives Existing APR ECU Upgraded Customers get a Fully Loaded ECU with purchase of the kit

Unlike here:
http://www.goapr.com/products/turbo_trans20t_k04.html where they leave the option to buy their software separately. Though I don't think anyone else makes a similar kit for the A3/S3......... You could PM Arin. But for some reason they have changed the wording for the A4 K04 software.

[DavidAAG]

check this out
http://www.flickr.com/photos/66331933@N04/7029915947/

- Eric

Thanks def. helped but since those clips are already broken I doubt I'll be able to do it anymore :-/


the gap, or distance from the side electrode to center electrode. this determines how big of a spark your plugs can make. you should be around .28 which is a bit smaller then stock (i can't remember the stock gap, around .35 or something) you want a smaller gap because the higher boost can blow the spark out, resulting in misfires.

Lol that made some sense for me. I'll ask my shop on Wednesday how much gap there is.



You may be one of the last cars able to get APR's K04 tune without getting their kit. Looks like they changed their policy.

Doubt I even want this damn tune if it's the problem that my car isn't running right. We're u running on the new revised version of the tune?

[ericpaulyoung]

You should be able to get it off still. Basically the little clip that you broke (I have broke 3 on my car in different spots, I hate them) is connected to a little latch mechanism that you may be able to get at with a small screw driver. Sorry that it is being such a bitch, I was hoping you would be in and out in 15 minutes but sometimes those Audi latches will screw your plans up royally.
- Eric

[Operator]

Doubt I even want this damn tune if it's the problem that my car isn't running right. We're u running on the new revised version of the tune?

I have a hard time believing it's the tune. Unless the shop dowloaded the wrong file. But I ran both of APR's K04 files and didn't have the issues you seem to be running into. And to my knowledge, they haven't really updated the S3 K04 tune in a couple years.

[DavidAAG]

Well just dropped my car off again. Hopefully they fix the problem. I just talked to the tech while I was there and he told me he thinks it still might be a bad injector and highly doubts its the turbo. Idk what to think anymore; all I want is my car to go fast enough to beat a couple of cars that show off around here and to atleast get on the highway ramp (bad experiences this week cuz car doesn't boost=very very slow) without having to stop and wait for cars to move to left lane for me or until there is no more cars in the way which takes for ever.

[Operator]

Once the install is done properly, merging onto the highway, passing on the highway, accelerating from a stop, canyon drives, etc...... will all be a blast. So here's to the shop finally isolating your issues, and given you back a tip top shape car!!!!! [drive]

[DavidAAG]

U made this sound even more exciting if this all works out the way it's supposed to. I need what I paid for. So yes; here's to this shop finishing Tom. with nothing but good news.

[DavidAAG]

Well this all turned to shit. No car for a while 2 or 3 weeks. The turbo is no good and now I have to pay another $350 for them to take it off and put in the new turbo whenever they receive it after its shipped to them and build me a new one or fix the old one.

[SykoraA4]

how is the turbo shot?

[Operator]

What happened to your K03? If you still have it, get it put back on, drive down to RAI and have them inspect your K0R (as per google maps it's a 2.5hr trip, and it'd be well worth it in my book to go). And I'd contact baggednbangin as I'd hope he wouldn't have given you a known bad turbo (seems like a legit guy so I doubt he'd do that). Also contact RAI and see what the warranty or repair cost would be, if you can't take the turbo to them yourself. And what new turbo is your shop referencing? Another K0R? If there is a back log of orders, you'd once again be better off taking your car to RAI. But RAI one way or another will take care of you. https://www.raimotorsport.com/Articles.asp?ID=243 In case you hadn't seen it.

[ericpaulyoung]

Well this all turned to shit. No car for a while 2 or 3 weeks. The turbo is no good and now I have to pay another $350 for them to take it off and put in the new turbo whenever they receive it after its shipped to them and build me a new one or fix the old one.

What was wrong with it?
Eric

[DavidAAG]

So they said they tried everything they could. And the guy from redline has already spoke to rai and told them the turbo is done. So rai said they will warranty it which is great, but its gonna take forever if it's back ordered which sucks. Also if I tried driving down there with them putting back my k03 I doubt it would matter cuz I don't have a working K0r (so I'll still have to wait) and I would have to pay $350 for the third time as for labor costs (them then pulling out my k03 again to put the new K0r.) I have no idea what's wrong with the turbo neither does the shop. I then spoke with baggednbangin about the shipping cost if he can atleast pay for it cuz i could have bought a new turbo for everything I'm paying but that turned to a no (hopefully rai pays it then.) Idk what else to say after this bullshit of a month I'm having.

Paid all this money to have no car for a month or more.

[SykoraA4]

Sucks man. Definitely have RAI inspect the turbo. I've never heard of a turbo being the cause of misfires.. that sounds a little sketch

[ericpaulyoung]

Ya, I am really interested in what the diagnosis is??? The fact that neither shop will tell you makes me a little worried that it is a cover up of some fuk up. If RAI is warrantying it, then it was a manufacturing defect, and it would be nice to know if the KOR has a weak spot that one should look for.
Eric

[ericpaulyoung]

Also, I had baggins old injectors checked out and they were fine. We know the APR tune works, and the only other common factor between both cars that were having misfire issues, is KOR.
Eric

[DavidAAG]

Sucks man. Definitely have RAI inspect the turbo. I've never heard of a turbo being the cause of misfires.. that sounds a little sketch

Ya that's what they say :-/. But they've tried everything. I guess I'll take their word for it right? What else can I do.


and it would be nice to know if the KOR has a weak spot that one should look for.
Eric

Which is why I'm gonna try to keep everyone updated us much as possible about what really caused this problem.

[SykoraA4]

did they ever confirm what your plugs were gapped at?

[RAI Motorsport]

we transferred the warranty to get this in our hands so we can see if their is a defect. This could be a our first warranty case on the kor. I am really curious to see what happened. Misfires because of a turbo doesn't really make sense, I think it would only be possible if there was a air leak..., but who knows. Anything is possible I guess.

[DavidAAG]

did they ever confirm what your plugs were gapped at?

Damn. Totally forgot about that. I will next time I see them.


we transferred the warranty to get this in our hands so we can see if their is a defect. This could be a our first warranty case on the kor. I am really curious to see what happened. Misfires because of a turbo doesn't really make sense, I think it would only be possible if there was a air leak..., but who knows. Anything is possible I guess.

Thank u. I'm really curious if it's the turbo or not also. So please make this end. It's been a long time I havnt had my car.

[ericpaulyoung]

Misfires from a turbo sound a bit unrealistic, but baggin went the full circle testing everything else out, so I guess by process of elimination we have to check it also. But David, your shop said it was busted for sure, can they elaborate as to what made them think this?
- Eric

[DavidAAG]

Misfires from a turbo sound a bit unrealistic, but baggin went the full circle testing everything else out, so I guess by process of elimination we have to check it also. But David, your shop said it was busted for sure, can they elaborate as to what made them think this?
- Eric

Well I'm guessing the only reason that made them think it's the turbo is just that. Process of elimination, they literally tried everything (they say) which I'll have to trust them on that. When I spoke with someone named Chris from RAI he was talking like the ppl from RAI knows this shop well and they trust their thought of the turbo not working. Hopefully it's that and I'm done. Only problem to me is what if it's not the turbo and its their tune or something and I got charged for all this extra labor that wasn't needed and the cause of the whole problem wasn't my fault??? But I'll try to think positive at the moment.

[Operator]

Only problem to me is what if it's not the turbo and its their tune

Ok I'm confused. So you got a custom tune by that shop? I thought all along you just had APR's.

[ericpaulyoung]

^^ x2

They may have installed some funk if you don't know fo' sho'. Send APR your VIN number and have them check their records. I would be interested to know what is installed.

[DavidAAG]

Ohhh. No no. Sorry if I got u guys confused there. When I said their tune I meant they only use APR. So if it comes down to it being the tune would I be able to get money back or something?

[gtsingh91]

Hopefully you get some compensation back, how much more was the uni tune than what they charged for APR?

[DavidAAG]

Well to go stage 3 since I already was an APR tuned car it was $300 and to get maestro its $800. But as for uni they don't recommend them at all and for that I never looked into it.

[SykoraA4]

dont forget the gap!

[DavidAAG]

Ummmm really!!!??? Idk if I heard this right but web I called RAI they said they already saw one dumb easy fix problem with turbo. The waste gate was opened all the way. And it had to be by my shop cuz they told me they were messing with it. C'mon are u serious???? I'm starting to wonder if I'm getting played here cuz this is something they should def. know being mechanics.
So far I see lots of money spent for nothing. Ima call RAI today once more to see what they have come up with cuz they did then call my shop to see why it was opened all the way.

[SykoraA4]

and check the gap!

[DavidAAG]

Lol still havnt forgotten the gap. It's just I havnt seen them in a while. So I will ask soon hopefully.

[SykoraA4]

Whats the verdict?

[DavidAAG]

Well I'm back. Not my car. I just called and they are working on it now. As for turbo, nothing was wrong with it when it was shipped out to get warrantied. So RAI was pretty upset for what they went thru and the cost to inspect it. But I also was upset to cuz I havnt had my car for 2 months and how much money I'm going thru. So now I'm just waiting on a call from Ryan at redline. Just wish me luck guys.

[SykoraA4]

luck been wished! will redline comp you the reinstall?

[DavidAAG]

Hahaha. I wish. They're making me pay it again. And one more time if this doesn't work out.

[SykoraA4]

...seriously. even though they botched the instal initially?

[fordyoz]

holy shit. i would be absolutely livid

[CorneliusRox]

Hahaha. I wish. They're making me pay it again. And one more time if this doesn't work out.

That's BS. They didnt do the work right the first time.

[DavidAAG]

Yup. They said since I didn't buy the turbo from them they will charge everytime they take it off :-/. Only thing that sucks is how about if it was their fault? Maybe something they did?? Idk. At least give me a deal. But nope. Nothing.

[ericpaulyoung]

Ya, first you need to know the issue. If it isn't their fault, and they are working with bad parts, you can't expect them to work for free. But I understand what you are saying, if it is something they did, then they should pay for sure.
Eric

[ericpaulyoung]

How much are they charging for installing the turbo each time?

[SykoraA4]

sounds like new shop time...

[swoardrider]

sounds like new shop time...

What he said. Breinigsville, PA is less than 150 miles from RAI. No excuse for why you didn't go there in the first place!

AAA premium package is like $120 a year and allows you to tow 200 miles. Get that f^*ker on a trailer and over to RAI.

[DavidAAG]

What he said. Breinigsville, PA is less than 150 miles from RAI. No excuse for why you didn't go there in the first place!

AAA premium package is like $120 a year and allows you to tow 200 miles. Get that f^*ker on a trailer and over to RAI.

Good damn thinking!!! And it's 360 every time the turbo is being taken off then put on again. U think it'll be much for them to tow it back. I never thought of that.

[swoardrider]

Good damn thinking!!! And it's 360 every time the turbo is being taken off then put on again. U think it'll be much for them to tow it back. I never thought of that.

AAA premier gives you one 200 mile tow per year. All other tows are 100 miles after that. So you probably just have to pay for that extra 30-40 miles you are short on the way back. I'd go into your local AAA office and check it out.

[CorneliusRox]

Or... Basic tools to do the swap yourself are about $80, and you not only get more understanding of how everything goes together, and a working turbo. You get tools!!!!

And if everything has been off it recently, you wont run into any stuck bolts

[jimrobbington]

Sounds like a perfect excuse to switch shops. I can understand them not warranteeing parts that aren't theirs, but the labor should be warranteed regardless. That is bullshit. Exactly why I well never take my car anywhere but my shop.

A previous shop had chipped my Jetta with Giac, with blown coil packs and a cel (unbeknownst to me). Needless to say, a few hundred miles later, I had a blown turbo and the shop would literally do nothing for me. I found my current shop, they hooked me up with over $1200 worth of free labor and parts to make up for the other shop's mistakes. Completely above and beyond, and I will never go anywhere else ever, and will always own a car they can work on.

Find another shop.

[DavidAAG]

Ok guys. Help me out here. They said everything is running great. But the car is throwing a code now that it's over boosting?!? So he said to adjust waste gate he has to take turbo off again???? That's a no for me and there is new diverter valve in (revised one) and n75 plugs. Is there anything I can do. He said when I boost 20 lb's it'll go to limp mode right away. I don't want that.

[Operator]

I ran into a similar issue with my APR K04 tune after I started messing with my WG. But I was messing with my WG for different reasons (trying to run a MBC). But I was hitting OB around 23psi. (Funny how now with Maestro I'm hitting 30psi+ with no limp mode?!?).

[Operator]

Oh and you don't have to take off the turbo to adjust the WG. Really looking like you need to find a different shop.

[DavidAAG]

Wow. Feel like I should be paying u guys here on AZ lol. But what do u think I should do. Is it the tune they have me using?? What can i do to fix this problem?

[drumnjuny]

WOW. i would make a huge fuss and get some of my (Wasted) money back. unbelievable that he said he would have to charge you for taking off the turbo again in order to adjust the wastegate...

not everyone's experience will be like JR's (in fact that will probably never happen again especially with the economy the way it is right now), but you can have positive experiences with shops. i definitely vote for driving it to RAI and paying them to take a look at it. if the car runs then you don't need to tow anyway right... just stay out of boost until you know what's up.

edit: take it to RAI and they'll tell you what the problem is exactly. these guys have been giving you the run around from the start... i think we can all agree upon that.

[seal66]

I would be pissed at that shop. New shop in order. I would transport it to RAI and let them deal with it.

[DRAKLORE]

Now that's a tune issue, wtf are they talking about taking the turbo off for a W/G adjustment.
These guys sound like bloodhounds! I did the W/G adjustment on
My back with a fuckin bike pump. If I had a lift it would have been no sweat!
These guys are a joke!!
There is a redline here in Atlanta. I don't even want to share my experience with them with you... Heading out the door but I'll type up why these so called Audi/VW specialist did to my car.. Motherfukers


EDIT: it was "ringtech" not redline sorry
Either way bad shop is bad shop

[DavidAAG]

Ray told me he is gonna walk me thru it Tom. Thank u RAI...

[jimrobbington]

wtf are they talking about taking the turbo off for a W/G adjustment.
I did the W/G adjustment on My back with a fuckin bike pump.

Same here. 3 times. And I'm no mechanic. Once you know where it is, takes like 10-15 minutes to adjust. Less if you had a better tool, and a lift.

Please, for the love of GOD, take your car somewhere else. The overboost cel doesn't make sense either. It must be a tuning issue. I have hit 26 psi on stock turbo, and never had a cel or a limp mode (from boosting(lol)).

[jimrobbington]

Oh, but like OPerator said, you may be able to rectify the situation with a $30 MBC, at least until you get to RAI and they fix everything.

[DavidAAG]

I wouldn't mind getting a MBC but if I can take care of this Tom. over the phone with ray should I still get one?

[Operator]

Oh, but like OPerator said, you may be able to rectify the situation with a $30 MBC, at least until you get to RAI and they fix everything.

No, that's when I ran into my OB issues. The APR K04 tune (in my case at least) didn't respond well to the MBC or WG adjustment.

[SykoraA4]

...holy shit. seriously? I'm glad Ray's helping you sort it all out. but jeeze... after all that crap if you're still having issues, just drive it down here.

[DavidAAG]

Oh man. So even if I unjust the WG it still isn't gonna work? Damn. So basically I spent $300 for nothing on this tune? What am I supposed to do now? I just spent $1200 for coil overs, alignment, and labor. Badically saying I should have spent the money on the maestro tune..? Or is there anything I can do. Cuz when I stomp on the gas pedal it will basically shut off the turbo "limp mode" I'm guessing and throw a CEL. But when I drive a little lighter but still kinda stomping on gas it boost normal 24 steady at 20. What can I do to not have this $300 (to go K04 tune) not go to waste?

[drumnjuny]

Oh man. So even if I unjust the WG it still isn't gonna work? Damn. So basically I spent $300 for nothing on this tune? What am I supposed to do now? I just spent $1200 for coil overs, alignment, and labor. Badically saying I should have spent the money on the maestro tune..? Or is there anything I can do. Cuz when I stomp on the gas pedal it will basically shut off the turbo "limp mode" I'm guessing and throw a CEL. But when I drive a little lighter but still kinda stomping on gas it boost normal 24 steady at 20. What can I do to not have this $300 (to go K04 tune) not go to waste?

get your money back from the shop for the shitty tune that never ran. they should count their lucky stars if you don't take the labor for the removal / refitting of the KOR when they sent it to RAI

[DavidAAG]

I doubt they will ever give me the money back. Would be nice tho. I'll try to ask. Doesn't hurt right.

[drumnjuny]

idk man... as soon as I knew exactly what was wrong (i.e. tune, install, whatever) i would demand my money back for that part of the invoice. idk about you but i'd be way past asking. not only are you missing the car, they are trying to charge u 360 to remove the turbo unnecessarily? i mean, they have to be crazy

[DavidAAG]

Well now I have the car and they def. aren't taking out the turbo again but I do want to ask what they can do about the tune.

[Operator]

get your money back from the shop for the shitty tune that never ran. they should count their lucky stars if you don't take the labor for the removal / refitting of the KOR when they sent it to RAI


From how I understand it, it's the WG that has caused alot of his problems, not the tune. I ran multiple dyno's, and push my car more than a few times on the APR K04 tune, so I don't think that's the isue. Unless he has the wrong K04 tune. Which is possible, as I had to inform another member before he had the old file loaded. But from what "I've" experienced, the APR tune does not like the adjustments to the WG or a MBC. Both caused OB and limp mode for my car.

[drumnjuny]

From how I understand it, it's the WG that has caused alot of his problems, not the tune. I ran multiple dyno's, and push my car more than a few times on the APR K04 tune, so I don't think that's the isue. Unless he has the wrong K04 tune. Which is possible, as I had to inform another member before he had the old file loaded. But from what "I've" experienced, the APR tune does not like the adjustments to the WG or a MBC. Both caused OB and limp mode for my car.

whoops, should've read more that he had an APR tune. yes very unlikely that is the problem unless its the old k04 (but even then, the old k04 file should definitely push more boost than their k03 file without problems??)

now you know it is their fault. or at least that they have no excuse... the turbo is fine the tune is fine so it must be something they have done or failed to do during install.
i would definitely fight the shop for some of my money back. i would have probably been making a fuss from the moment he said they needed to take the turbo off again... the second he said he had to take the turbo off to do the WG adjustment i would have been outta there

[DRAKLORE]

David I've got two different MBCs if you want to
Try, 15$ shipped for the forge bleeder or 25$ for the vast two
Port.
Lmk if
Your willing to
Try them out, they worked great for me, once set the car would
Boost and didnt have any issues!

[DavidAAG]

I was on the phone with RAI and they said they ran into this problem a couple times with the APR K04 tune and adjusting the WG would solve it after 3 or 4 adjustments. Maybe 1 or 2 if I get lucky :-). But I trust operator with also cuz I know u know what your doing. But I'm just gonna try this out quick. Drakelore how hard is it to install a MBC?

[DRAKLORE]

15-20 mins

Not hard at all, just got to know where to route the connections.

Then dial it down to zero psi, and back it off until the car builds your desired amount of boost and lock it down

[Operator]

D.AAG I'd forgo a MBC, and just try to get the WG adjustment dialed in. Once it's dialed in, you won't need a MBC. My K0R had no WG issues when I installed it. So if you can get yours dialed in like mine was, you should be fine. Also check your receipt and make sure you have the correct tune. Shoot me a pm if you need.

[DavidAAG]

Is there anyone around me (which I doubt) that is willing to help me (basically do it for me) adjust my WG?!? Cuz this thing is damn near impossible for me to reach. I just want to have fun with my car for atleast 20 seconds. Cuz literally can't step on it at all. Throws me back (let me say I never felt this power before and I love it sooooo much) but its literally for 3 seconds then blup just goes straight to limp mode. Lierally shuts off turbo until I turn car off and turn it back on again. I feel like I'm sooo close yet so far.

I was planning on just getting maestro but ima wait a month or 2 until that so I can pay for some other important stuff. I just don't want to wait that long until my car is a good go. So please anyone. I'll pay or whatever it takes.

[SykoraA4]

drive to RAI. just don't get on it. or just drive it there in limp mode.

[rongeur]

I can't take this anymore. You keep asking for help but you aren't listening. David, get your car to RAI. It had been suggested over 10 times in the last 2 pages alone. You were hosed by your first shop (repeatedly). It does not sound that you are mechanically inclined enough regarding turbo install and adjusting at this point yet you want meastro so you can deisgn a tune for yourself??? Go to the shop that designed the effin turbo and get it done correctly once and for all, all your attempts at cutting corners has cost you more in frustration and money in the long run than if you just did it right the first time (and gone to RAI).

Sorry, /rant. But seriously, help yourself and GTFO audizine asking for help and go to RAI!!!!! I really want this all to work out for you because I want to see the KOR succeed and you to be happy with this build.... go to RAI.

[drumnjuny]

that was a little harsh, but i have to give rongeur credit for his straightforwardness.

he's right, and you have agreed already, that redline is fucking you in the ass and if you had taken it to RAI in the first place you could have saved what seems like $500 at least already, let alone the other $360 they want to do the WG adjustment

my opinion: man up and do the WG adjustment yourself. take some shit off if you need to...

but if that is definitely a no-go, and it takes 15 minutes for Operator to adjust the WG, take the car to RAI and have them adjust it 4 times until its perfect and pay $100. if you're willing to pay other people then what's the difference, IMO i see none.

you said this yourself: you should be paying the people on AZ not redline... that is not true ha. you should be paying a legit shop, especially when you're driving distance from RAI lmao, the shop that made the turbo you're having problems with

edit: not to mention, RAI would definitely not leave u hanging like redline did... they do a shit ton of BT builds in house every year, 5-8 a month is what I heard from ray...

[DavidAAG]

I can't take this anymore. You keep asking for help but you aren't listening. David, get your car to RAI. It had been suggested over 10 times in the last 2 pages alone. You were hosed by your first shop (repeatedly). It does not sound that you are mechanically inclined enough regarding turbo install and adjusting at this point yet you want meastro so you can deisgn a tune for yourself??? Go to the shop that designed the effin turbo and get it done correctly once and for all, all your attempts at cutting corners has cost you more in frustration and money in the long run than if you just did it right the first time (and gone to RAI).

Sorry, /rant. But seriously, help yourself and GTFO audizine asking for help and go to RAI!!!!! I really want this all to work out for you because I want to see the KOR succeed and you to be happy with this build.... go to RAI.

I read only part of that and just to say. Again I am taking it to RAI. It's just I rather take it when I have the money for maestro. If I go now I'ma waste a nearly 3 hour drive to have them adjust a WG when someone can do it around here. Trust me, I know RAI will def help but I'm gonna solve it another way if I drive that. But I just don't want to wait so long. And I know for sure that I can take care of the tune part. I can understand stuff easily and quick, I just rather have someone else do it for me cuz they can take care of right away.

[DavidAAG]

I also don't mind u being so blunt a straightforward. So by any means rant on. I'm just fed up with how many bullshit problems I had. Like literally what u can say is there was NONE. All easy fixes. But yes will be going to RAI when I save up this money. For a tune that will be no problem. Cuz all u have to do is learn it. Not physically be a mechanic.

Edit: I think I remember reading it somewhere but I'm not sure. Does RAI have a Dyno?

[rongeur]

Sorry guys, didn't mean to sound harsh. I am sincerely frustrated for you David. No ill will meant. To be completely honest I really want to see a KOR "drop in" and have no problems but most of the builds i am aware of have had marked setbacks, this being the most current. If I were in your shoes I would have been to RAI yesterday for the piece of mind knowing they know their product better than anyone on this forum or indy shop or anyone period.

Re: Maestro. Hardware of a build is the easy part. The tune is everything. It ties everything together to work in harmony. The best setup in the world with a shitty tune will yield shitty results. I am interested to see what develops from maestro because it sounds like the perfect solution to create a perfect individual tune but I am skeptical because big companies tht make reliable tunes put alot of R&D into a tune - the 400-600 dollars you are paying for is their hardwork in that tune. Plus, an unsafe tune can FUBAR your motor faster than you think.

What the KOR needs is a tune made for the KOR - I know unitronic is supposed to have one, but last i recall when someone actually tried to get that mapped, they went through some baloney of the wrong file, then told it didn't exist etc. Please correct me if their is a specific tune available, but as far as i know there is not.

[okswerve16]

i agree with rongeur take it to RAI should have done it from the beginning, or if you wanted a truly drop in turbokit shudda went with APR

[rkesh88]

Sorry guys, didn't mean to sound harsh. I am sincerely frustrated for you David. No ill will meant. To be completely honest I really want to see a KOR "drop in" and have no problems but most of the builds i am aware of have had marked setbacks, this being the most current. If I were in your shoes I would have been to RAI yesterday for the piece of mind knowing they know their product better than anyone on this forum or indy shop or anyone period.

Re: Maestro. Hardware of a build is the easy part. The tune is everything. It ties everything together to work in harmony. The best setup in the world with a shitty tune will yield shitty results. I am interested to see what develops from maestro because it sounds like the perfect solution to create a perfect individual tune but I am skeptical because big companies tht make reliable tunes put alot of R&D into a tune - the 400-600 dollars you are paying for is their hardwork in that tune. Plus, an unsafe tune can FUBAR your motor faster than you think.

What the KOR needs is a tune made for the KOR - I know unitronic is supposed to have one, but last i recall when someone actually tried to get that mapped, they went through some baloney of the wrong file, then told it didn't exist etc. Please correct me if their is a specific tune available, but as far as i know there is not.

According to Uni's website there is a K0R specific file that i thnk skyora is using. I thnk everyone got infatuated, myself included, that the K0R is more personal than the off the shelf tune from Uni. People like that with maestro they can then get meth installed and have rods put in and then tune from there. With uni's file there is no more growth after getting it. If skyora keeping on updating and dynoing his file the Uni file should be the one everyone gets cause it looks like the kinks are ironed out if your going to stop there.

[DavidAAG]

I wanted this turbo. Not just a drop in cuz it wasn't that easy. Had to buy a lot for this. I have literally everything except pistons and rods to go BT. I'm just a fan of K0R after doing a lot of research. I would have gone the k04 route if I wanted but nah. And I will go to RAI next week. There lol. I'll even dyno it if they have one. To see what I'm putting out.

[jimrobbington]

The wastegate is pretty darn easy to adjust. I mean, I'm no mechanic, but I figured it out all by myself from reading a GTI forum. If I can do that, anybody can. Once you find it, it's super easy, literally takes 15 minutes. Most of the time taken is testdriving and waiting for the car to cool down so you can adjust again. I think it took me 2 hours to do three adjustments, and three test drives.

But, then again, that may not be your only solution needed, so you might as well just go to RAI.







BTW, how do you guys pronounce RAI? I say it like "rye". Or do you spell it out "R . A . I."?

[SykoraA4]

Spelled out. and Yes they do have a dyno.

[DavidAAG]

BTW, how do you guys pronounce RAI? I say it like "rye". Or do you spell it out "R . A . I."?
When they pick up the phone they say R.A.I and they're all Caps so I'm pretty sure it's that way. And as for doing that adjustment. I know it's very easy. I played with my K03 and it has the clip I take off then loosen nut and adjust.

But I just don't want to go thru that when it can be done right away and I don't have to physically do it. I guess I'm that type of person that loves Cars but rather pay for stuff to be done to it. And others rather get down and dirty. But I decides I'm going to RAI.

[DavidAAG]

Spelled out. and Yes they do have a dyno.

Great!

[DavidAAG]

So I'm getting some smoke coming from my exhaust now and I never had this happen.. Can anyone explain what this can possibly be? Its not cold outside at all either.

[Operator]

Man, you can't seem to catch a break!!!!!!!!!!!! What color smoke?

[DRAKLORE]

What are the conditions that it's happening under. What injectors S3 right?
What catch can are you running. Multiple BT guys get this issue, including myself... I am under the assumption that it's my rings, or possibly a leaky turbo seal..

[jimrobbington]

Yeah, color of smoke is definitely needed. That can tell you if it's oil, fuel, coolant, etc...

[DRAKLORE]

Also please smell it

[DavidAAG]

It comes and goes now when I'm in park. And it's white. I hope white isn't a bad color..? But yes I do have s3 injectors and I have the bsh catch can. Scent, didn't really try to smell it yet. Will do that once it happens again.

Idk of this helps but I put my K04 tune to stock for now until I get my WG adjusted and this figured out. I really can't catch a break :-/. Hopefully when I install my coil overs Tom. or Thursday (same day as WG adjustment) this can take my mind off of the problems the car is having :-/. Been seeing a lot of lowered cars lately and wow what a beautiful difference it makes.

[DavidAAG]

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Just posting these pics cuz how much I love the look of it now. Also got great news from ray; when I was on the phone with him he told me he can take care of everything in 3 days. I'm getting the maestro tune (spent $300 on this APR K04 tune for nothing [down]) with the snow performance meth kit put in by him and will finally make my car run perfect. He's a great dude and wish I went RAI route first but I learn from my mistakes. so in about a month and a half I should have saved up for everything and should be hopefully done with car in 2 months performance wise. As for looks still gonna keep going. I want to meet with everyone July 21st and 22nd for waterfest 18 but I work. So I will def. see u all on September 28th and 29th for H2Oi.

[Operator]

Glad to see there will be a light at the end of the tunnel!!!!

[drumnjuny]

wow stanced very very well! looks great

[DavidAAG]

Glad to see there will be a light at the end of the tunnel!!!!

Yes I know right finally. U going to waterfest?


wow stanced very very well! looks great

Thank u!!

[Operator]

Yes I know right finally. U going to waterfest?

If its outside the state of Colorado, doubtful.

[DavidAAG]

Update: so I ordered maestro about 3 or 4 days ago also boost manager plus (water/meth kit) same day as maestro. Then plan on getting rai's FMIC next week. Can't wait!! Then finally by the 16th I should be at rai showing everybody the kor-gt's true power and potential. Anything above 290awhp will suffice with me. Below that will make me pretty mad for how much money has been put into this. Wish me luck everyone and thank u everyone for your help with everything.

[Operator]

I foresee 315+ awhp. But 290 you should pass with ease!!!!

[DavidAAG]

I really want like 320 but didn't want to sound too greedy lol.

[gtsingh91]

Thats awesome, is the MB+ is like the devils stage 2 kit?

[Operator]

Thats awesome, is the MB+ is like the devils stage 2 kit?

Maybe a DO kit on steroids!!!! http://www.eurodyne.ca/prestashop/product.php?id_product=20

[DavidAAG]

Haha that's a good way to put it.

[DavidAAG]

Forgot to mention I ordered my RAI fmic like 2 or 3 days ago so by next week Thursday the 16th my car will be in RAI's shop finally getting finished. I wonder how much the kor and ko4 can boost to? If anyone knows.

[DavidAAG]

So everything is in the car, fmic looking amazing just love it but one problem went down which isn't a big deal (RAI got my back when i come back) my meth control isn't working :-/. But maestro running smooth and like I said fmic is sick. RAI guys a great guys. Chill as shit. Will def. be doing business with them again. And Eric no dyno until I go back. So we will settle this soon. My wallet can smell that 20 already lol.

[ericpaulyoung]

So everything is in the car, fmic looking amazing just love it but one problem went down which isn't a big deal (RAI got my back when i come back) my meth control isn't working :-/. But maestro running smooth and like I said fmic is sick. RAI guys a great guys. Chill as shit. Will def. be doing business with them again. And Eric no dyno until I go back. So we will settle this soon. My wallet can smell that 20 already lol.

hehehe [evilsmile]

What boost level are they looking at running? and what timing advance at WOT 6k?

- Eric

[Dan[FN]6262]

yeah man, that sucks that we kept running into walls this evening. definitely get that shit straight next time and make some serious power

[ericpaulyoung]

6262;7890212']yeah man, that sucks that we kept running into walls this evening. definitely get that shit straight next time and make some serious power

What boost and timing are you aiming for with this build? It is good that we are getting information about what works well for our platform, and of course you guys are leading the pack on it :)
- Eric

[Dan[FN]6262]

no idea yet

[drumnjuny]

you can push the timing a lot once you add meth, right?

[Dan[FN]6262]

most definitely

[drumnjuny]

so there's no way to know final timing until meth obv

[DavidAAG]

And let me add I've never ever have gotten this many mosquito bites in my life. Literally got over 30 bites on my leg looks like I got the chickenpox lol.

[Operator]

When are you planning your return trip?

[DavidAAG]

I hope to go back maybe in a week or 2.

[DavidAAG]

So as u guys know The car isn't finished yet. I've just been driving it everywhere but I can rev it pass 3700 RPM cuz then my car starts bugging out.

Check engine light starts flashing, car then when in idle at a stop light after passing 3700 RPM starts chugging like its about to stall. Only done this like 2 or 3 times, each time to check if car finally works but nope.

All of this is happening cuz I still have the base file that I was givin for the maestro. I boost way over 25 (I think) cuz my gauge only goes to 25 and when in full boost, gauge needle starts bouncing back in fourth. To the point of this, I still havnt gotten my maestro cuz rai did a little mistake of selling mine (no biggie.)

So maestro is finally on its way and I was wondering if anyone with maestro can possibly send me their file (hopefully similar to my setup) so I can fix this problem. Or maybe someone at rai will help I'm sure but I havnt asked yet cuz it hasn't arrived. Just trying to get ready for when it gets here.

As for my BMP+ still need to drive to Baltimore and put on the new one rai has for me cuz this one is faulty. Guys from rai are still on point with everything. They've been great help, it's just not everything always goes as planned :-/. Thank u guys and sorry for long read.

[ericpaulyoung]

Yup, if you are overboosting, you are going into limp mode. You can knock down your max VE and adjust your response curve to keep you in a nice 19 psi curve, then you should have no problems.
- Eric

[DavidAAG]

Cool. Only problem is knowing how to do this. I still need to learn the basics with this tuning stuff. I don't even know where to start.

[Operator]

PM me your email. I'll see what I can do.

[DavidAAG]

Well everything just sucks for me. Injector no good. Still no car. It's been like like 4 or 5 months since I had a good running car. Never thought going bigger turbo would be such a problem. And this expensive.

[Operator]

More info? And I presume your S3 or RS4 injectors? Who tested it out?

[ericpaulyoung]

Well everything just sucks for me. Injector no good. Still no car. It's been like like 4 or 5 months since I had a good running car. Never thought going bigger turbo would be such a problem. And this expensive.

You can run your stock injectors at lower boost and still have a good setup. Do you still have your stock injectors? Slap them back in, set your injector constant to the stock value (ask Tapp what it should be), then go. Next, up your requested rail pressure (if you have an uprated fuel rail pressure valve), and you should be good for at least an 17-18 psi curve with the KOR, which is a lot more than the K03. Then we can start from there :)

If you don't still have your stock injectors, I will send you mine for free (you pay shipping). Don't worry bro, you will get there.
- Eric

[drumnjuny]

Well everything just sucks for me. Injector no good. Still no car. It's been like like 4 or 5 months since I had a good running car. Never thought going bigger turbo would be such a problem. And this expensive.

trust me, i feel your pain lmao.

[DavidAAG]

Well took it to RAI. Ray is telling me their having misfires in cylinder 3 and he's pretty sure that it's an injector. Second time on dyno and second time failed. So no more dyno, just street testing now or I'm sure I would have to pay more.

I came here just to have my BMP+ work for once cuz last one didn't with car running the worse its ever have. Then injector pooped on me.

As for injectors I think I sold my old ones but I'm not sure yet have to check garage when I get home. U giving me injectors or an injector would be ridiculously amazing. I have S3 in injectors not RS4 (which ray told me to replace with those but insufficient funds lol) so ray I think is doing 1 day shipping.

So idk if it's too late cuz I had him order them and I'm here in Baltimore expecting to leave Tom. but I'm not sure what is gonna happen with the car. Man money money money. Sucks so bad lol. I'm very sure u understand drumnjuny. Oh ya and wow EPY u always stay so positive lol wish I can do that. Best part is your a really good DIY kinda guy which is a huge plus!! Just have to say "fucking awesome!".

End of rant...

[shiro1745]

I kind of understand you, too bad you cannot do a lot of these things yourself. How come one of the injectors is bad? Did you buy new ones or used?

[ericpaulyoung]

S3 injectors are touchy; some work, some don't. Some work on one guys car but not the other. The more I read about them the more I think it is just safer to run the RS4 injectors and play it safe. The S3 may have better spray pattern etc, but the fact that they are sometimes difficult to get working is a turn off.

No problem with the injectors, just let me know if you want to try that option out. Your ECU can make up to a 25% correction, so running a higher rail pressure you may be able to even run full out with the OEM's. May work, who knows.

Eric

[drumnjuny]

being positive is very hard. but i'll tell you one thing i went back and forth (drunkeness definitely had an effect on my opinion on my carless situation ha) and being negative didn't do anything but hurt my situation.

and my car STILL is not running 100% but at least i have some wheels to get around in, and I can finally see the light at the end of the tunnel!! couple more things and its bulletproof... modding cars is an experiment ya know. no knowing what could go wrong when you're doubling (or tripling) the power the motor is tested to hold, and therefore where the injectors are tested to be pushed to.

idk i wouldn't get too down, if its only an injector than it should be a relatively easy swap?

[Operator]

S3 injectors are touchy; some work, some don't. Some work on one guys car but not the other. The more I read about them the more I think it is just safer to run the RS4 injectors and play it safe. The S3 may have better spray pattern etc, but the fact that they are sometimes difficult to get working is a turn off. Eric

Let's not give the S3's a bad name. I got mine used and they haven't caused any issues thus far.

[drumnjuny]

Let's not give the S3's a bad name. I got mine used and they haven't caused any issues thus far.

wow i could've sworn you were using RS4s... do you have any idea of how much duty you're putting through them? are they maxed out?

[ericpaulyoung]

Let's not give the S3's a bad name. I got mine used and they haven't caused any issues thus far.

They work great when they work, so no issues there. But I like to be completely open about the possible issues so that everyone can diagnose and fix there builds as quickly as possible. And I personally had a set that I paid $125 to clean and test, and they came out perfect, yet they wouldn't work in my car. I have read at least two other cases of the same thing.
Eric

[Operator]

They work great when they work, so no issues there. But I like to be completely open about the possible issues so that everyone can diagnose and fix there builds as quickly as possible. And I personally had a set that I paid $125 to clean and test, and they came out perfect, yet they wouldn't work in my car. I have read at least two other cases of the same thing.
Eric

Not to threadjack Dave's thread..... But there have been far more S3's that have been used with zero issues. And not as many poeple have used RS4's but I venture the failure rate isn't much different. And though I agree with you on K04's, your comments are like those that say K04's destroy engines.

[drumnjuny]

Not to threadjack Dave's thread..... But there have been far more S3's that have been used with zero issues. And not as many poeple have used RS4's but I venture the failure rate isn't much different. And though I agree with you on K04's, your comments are like those that say K04's destroy engines.

yup i agree. sample size is VERY important haha

[shiro1745]

wow i could've sworn you were using RS4s... do you have any idea of how much duty you're putting through them? are they maxed out?

IIRC Dan told me they had S3 injectors on a build they did pushing 350whp.

[ericpaulyoung]

You are spot on, I shouldn't generalize to all S3 injectors and simply say it was my experience. I guess the quick check is to throw in some RS4 injectors Or OEM injectors and see if the misfires go away.
Eric

[DavidAAG]

Not sure how much duty is pushing out thru them. Probably is maxed out. As for the injector it came in early, put on the car already and hopefully good to go. Since there won't be any dyno testing they gonna street tune it. Let's see how everything goes. Fingers crossed. Oh ya and thread jack away lol. No biggy.

[DavidAAG]

Now my APR hpfp just took a shit on me. No more. So basically comes to be another expense. This all sucks!

[ericpaulyoung]

Now my APR hpfp just took a shit on me. No more. So basically comes to be another expense. This all sucks!

At least that should be under warranty, right ??

Damn bro, you are having a run of bad luck.
Eric

[drumnjuny]

Now my APR hpfp just took a shit on me. No more. So basically comes to be another expense. This all sucks!

i'd be super surprised if they didn't warranty it for you?? definitely call APR but if they don't, i'd suggest getting HPFPUpgrade's pump its a lot cheaper and has been doing great for me [up]

[shiro1745]

Apr offers lifetime warranty for the internals they change.

[drumnjuny]

Apr offers lifetime warranty for the internals they change.

there ya go, no worries haha