The low and maybe not so slow build thread [Archive]

dwi_gti

01-29-2009, 07:48 AM

You had to tow the car home cuase you couldnt get a boost pipe up, jsut use break cleaner next time to clean up the oil.

on a side note form what i understand the Chris Tapp software is much better then the uni software when it comes to the AEB motor due to the Tapp software spending alot more time on the MAF tune.

are those broken studs on the SPA mani?

any plans to upgrade the rods?

pipe7284

01-29-2009, 08:17 AM

you and my girl have twin cars!!!! lol laser red on black wheels. and BT

lowandslow4now

01-29-2009, 08:26 AM

everytime I started the car the turbo was shooting oil out and boost pipe would just pop right off all I had in the car was some windex in the car that I sprayed and wiped down the pipes with. luckily I didnt have to pay for the tow I had road side assistance from my insurance and they coverd 17 miles for free and to my house is 16.6 miles. I plan going with tapp I ended getting the uni file for dirt cheap to get going. There are no broken studs on the mani I just had one in there I have it mounted on the car now I am just waiting on some parts from Issam. I am eventually going to replace the rods I am not shooting for huge numbers yet.

dwi_gti

01-29-2009, 09:13 AM

Pics of the turbo! wheres it from?

lowandslow4now

01-29-2009, 09:17 AM

Its a garrett turbo I am actually waiting for delivery of it.

bernB5

01-29-2009, 09:44 AM

Its a garrett turbo I am actually waiting for delivery of it.

no idea why you went with that turbo, it's a terrible choice.
57 trims are laggy as hell and don't really have any benefits over a 50 trim. They also have the tendency to surge.

A 57 trim with a .63 a/r hits full boost around 4500, an .82 will be awful.
Either spend the money and get a dbb garrett (3071 or 30r) or go with a 50 trim .63 or .82.

You should also go with tapp tune like stated above, they are known to be much better on aeb, dbc setups. not telling you what to do, or trying to be a dick, i just hope you did some research before buying that turbo, because it's not going to be fun.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BJgShp8ap7I

lowandslow4now

01-29-2009, 10:00 AM

I understand what you are saying I am going under Issam's recomendation on the turbo and with the software I am going to go with tapp just not right now.

goody6691

01-29-2009, 11:45 AM

its about time you started that build

bernB5

01-29-2009, 01:19 PM

I understand what you are saying I am going under Issam's recomendation on the turbo and with the software I am going to go with tapp just not right now.

alrighty.
what are your power goals btw? is this your dd?

lowandslow4now

01-29-2009, 05:01 PM

This car is not my daily driver and has not been for over a year. To start I will be going for about 300 awhp as the the torque should not be a problem for rods then when I do rods and headwork I will probably try to get up about 400 which I think this turbo will be able to produce. But I am going to be doing this build little by little and it is primarily for the track.

bernB5

01-29-2009, 05:14 PM

those goals could have easily been met by a 50 trim .63 a/r..

lowandslow4now

01-29-2009, 05:28 PM

True but I can make the same power with less boost

O2VW1.8T

01-29-2009, 05:44 PM

no idea why you went with that turbo, it's a terrible choice.
57 trims are laggy as hell and don't really have any benefits over a 50 trim. They also have the tendency to surge.

A 57 trim with a .63 a/r hits full boost around 4500, an .82 will be awful.
Either spend the money and get a dbb garrett (3071 or 30r) or go with a 50 trim .63 or .82.

You should also go with tapp tune like stated above, they are known to be much better on aeb, dbc setups. not telling you what to do, or trying to be a dick, i just hope you did some research before buying that turbo, because it's not going to be fun.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BJgShp8ap7I

57 trims SUCK, I had one on my 1.8T and that mofo surged like crazy past 20psi[down]

O2VW1.8T

01-29-2009, 05:45 PM

True but I can make the same power with less boost

By what 1-2psi lol, You will be much happier with a 50 trim....

lowandslow4now

01-29-2009, 06:36 PM

I know the 57trims are not a fan favorite but I was reasured that I would have good power and I shouldnt have a problem

bernB5

01-29-2009, 06:44 PM

By what 1-2psi lol, You will be much happier with a 50 trim....

pete, this is alex, oldschool vdubbz337 from vortex haha. I was referring to you, when I mentioned what's up with the 57 trim.

I know the 57trims are not a fan favorite but I was reasured that I would have good power and I shouldnt have a problem

dude, you're just standing up for some information given to you by one person. you will NOT be happy with the 57 trim.. and running a tiny bit less boost to make the same power, with a smaller powerband... what's the point?

buddy of mine just made 370whp on an awp, stock block, stock head, and 25psi, on a 50 trim .63.

i won't lecture you any more about this, but you should just listen to us and exchange the turbo while you still can. [up]

Wizard-of-OD

01-29-2009, 07:18 PM

but you should just listen to us and exchange the turbo while you still can. [up]
He is listening to me....
His power goal is limited for now.

I ran a 57 trim for a good number of years.Take that for what it is worth....notice the A/R in this combination.

Every customer and build is treated case by case.

bernB5

01-29-2009, 07:27 PM

He is listening to me....
His power goal is limited for now.

I ran a 57 trim for a good number of years.Take that for what it is worth....notice the A/R in this combination.

Every customer and build is treated case by case.

Taking all things into account, you really feel the 57 trim is a better choice? I just don't see why, but, it's all good.
He said he's running this with an .82 a/r, which will probably get rid of any surging issues present on the .63, but it will be super laggy. No matter what the case, the 50 trim seems like a better option in all circumstances. I look forward to the results. (not questioning your opinion/knowledge Issam, just curious..)

Seerlah

01-29-2009, 09:11 PM

I am no expert, but I came to learn a while ago that the Garrett T Series Turbo is not a turbo people get too comfprtable with, as the lag can be rather frustrating. It is still a good turbo for the money. But with a few extra hundred bucks, a Garrett BB would not really leave a person wishing they went with a different turbo. I guess if he likes to drive in the higher RPMs or had bigger displacement, then the T Series is a do-able street turbo. As agreeing with bernB5, I would have either gone with the 50 trim or a BB.

I know Jumboblack1.8T has a GT30xx on his stock block, and am sure there is lag there. I don't know how the lag compares to the T Series, but I was told from the beginning when I first started to do searches on turbos that I would not like the T series (of course I am not the OP, just using referance to a scenerio). Even though it is cheaper than the BB, that is one of the reasons people do not run those turbos. Maybe a meth/water kit can change the situation though [;)]

But I still always respect Issam's opinions when it comes to the matters of vehicles. Of course, that is his field of expertise.

lowandslow4now

01-30-2009, 05:07 AM

I have driven in a few bt T series cars and I like when then boost hits the car rarely sees the street and if it does it is the highway going somewhere if I want to have fun in sthe street I have my wifes MKV GLI to play with.lol

4inchMAF

02-07-2009, 10:36 PM

I understand what you are saying I am going under Issam's recomendation on the turbo and with the software I am going to go with tapp just not right now.

i can believe he would suggest that turbo. no offense, but that was a bad, bad choice for out motor. it surges like crazy, and even with a .63 the lag is terrible. i have a .63 50 trim right now, any more lag than this would suck!!!
.82?!!! that is RIDICULOUS!!! why SOOOOO big? im not joking when i say you will have about a 1000 RPM power band (and with stock rods you wont want to run much more than about 15PSI on that thing). so MAD lag just for low boost.

and since youre not doing rods, using 440cc injectors will be just fine. 300AWHP can easily be achieved with 440's. if youre making power to the point where you NEED 630's, you are going to break a rod...

i dont mean to sound like a dick. the guy i sold my GTI to blew the 50 trim it came with and put on a 57 trim. after 5 weeks at 15PSI on a 440 file he blew the motor apart...

if you are dead set on keeping that 57 trim (if you cant return it for a 50 trim), do yourself a BIG favor and at the very least get a .63 housing for it...

good luck happy [wrench]

I know Jumboblack1.8T has a GT30xx on his stock block, and am sure there is lag there. I don't know how the lag compares to the T Series. Maybe a meth/water kit can change the situation though [;)]

water/meth has NOTHING to do with lag

ghost6303

02-07-2009, 11:27 PM

if more advanced timing = increased EGTs = increased exhaust velocity.
increased exhaust velocity = faster spool = less lag.

wouldnt water/meth lower your EGTs (& IATs) and increase octane allowing you to run more advanced timing to help spool the turbo? just a thought...

that should be a fun car when you get it done. looks nice.

1fstavant

02-08-2009, 05:14 AM

bro good luck with the setup...tseries are fun i loved mine way worth the money i saved on not going bb...
everyone talks about lag but honestly on my 50trim i was fully spooled by 45 if not 4

keep us updated

lowandslow4now

02-08-2009, 08:28 AM

I dont mind the lag. The car is not a dd maybe if it was a dd then the lag might bother me but this build is going to be in steps and more for fun so if something breaks I can afford to have the car down for whatever period of time.

.Mad Hatter.

02-26-2009, 05:12 PM

ill be keeping my eye on this, basically my desired setup except with a .63 A/R

20vpower

02-26-2009, 06:44 PM

Nice choice for hardware on this setup. Hope to see this running well soon with some numbers.

lowandslow4now

02-27-2009, 04:01 AM

Thanks I should be recieving the rest of my 034 Stage 3 kit today so I am a little excited. But this is the beginnig there is so much that goes into this its insane but little by little is how i have to do it.

Seerlah

02-27-2009, 04:36 AM

water/meth has NOTHING to do with lag

I was under the assumption that the Meth also makes the turbo spool faster. Not by much, but maybe 500RPMs.

To the OP, what turbo did you decide for your final decision? I noticed you ordered a kit on the 034 Turbo Kit thread.

lowandslow4now

02-27-2009, 07:56 PM

I just took delivery of the kit I ended up going with the T3/TO4E 57trim .82AR

20vpower

02-28-2009, 09:27 AM

now put it on!

lowandslow4now

02-28-2009, 09:29 AM

I wish I could this weekend but I am heading to ny for the weekend but I have to say that the downpipe is a quality piece.

20vpower

02-28-2009, 09:39 AM

damn i should have held out for the spa mani...

lowandslow4now

03-01-2009, 09:47 AM

damn i should have held out for the spa mani...

The Spa mani is a nice piece but the install can be tough especially tightening the bottom bolts on the mani. I am going to try and do some of the install today. I put the downpipe in yesterday and while I was under the car I noticed one of the linkages for the shifter was about to come out.The bolt in there had almost backed out completely.

lowandslow4now

03-02-2009, 05:05 PM

Pics no longer available.

.Mad Hatter.

03-03-2009, 03:56 AM

kit looks awesome...good work.

AudiA4_20T

03-03-2009, 05:47 AM

nice

pipe7284

03-03-2009, 06:23 AM

sexy, you still need to rotate that compressor housing counterclokwise a little bit for the intercooler piping.

dwi_gti

03-03-2009, 07:55 AM

why do you say that? thats the same way i have my IC pipe going over the frame rail

bernB5

03-03-2009, 10:25 AM

yeah, it will also leave room for a nice inlet to go down and back up

dwi_gti

03-03-2009, 10:58 AM

exactly, just redid my inlet 90degree down, to 6inches of pipe 45degree to MAF to short 4" k&n filter, the car has never idled so good. wouldnt beable to do that with the IC pipe running straight down

pipe7284

03-03-2009, 11:37 AM

True true.

20vpower

03-03-2009, 04:04 PM

nice work, keep it coming

lowandslow4now

03-03-2009, 04:42 PM

Thanks for the remarks guys I was gonna setup the piping similar to Bassed because I know he had problems with it going straight down. I was going to do it to the left and then down if that makes sense. I can picture it in my head.

lowandslow4now

03-11-2009, 06:00 PM

I officially got it started tonight but there is still alot of work ahead.

20vpower

03-11-2009, 06:12 PM

pics! what do you still have to do?

lowandslow4now

03-11-2009, 06:19 PM

I still have to make an intake, clutch, reattach my down pipe to exhaust and get a proper tune. I might put a muffler in I was running a straight pipe before and just starting it with the downpipe it is insanely loud. But I am just glad it started. lol

goody6691

03-11-2009, 08:24 PM

congrats dude, remember andy can get you a unitronic tune at verocious.

Wizard-of-OD

03-11-2009, 08:38 PM

Get to the dyno asap please
;)
LOL

lowandslow4now

03-12-2009, 02:21 PM

I have a 440 file now but I am going to go with tapp so I have room to upgrade in the future and once it is put back together I am definetely going to hit the dyno.

lowandslow4now

05-22-2009, 04:13 PM

Well I guess it is time for an update.
I had some ecu issues so I had to buy a new one and send it to Unitronic for the chip to get transfered and updated. I bailed on the plan of running 630's and a 4 inch maf and just went with delphi 440's and a VR maf housing. The car has been running ok for a while with just the open downpipe. today I finnally had time to get the exhaust completely done 3inch stainless all the way back with just a vibrant resonator. I like how it sounds no drone on the highway I got some more low end back. I currently have the boost set at about 16psi and pulls hard. I was suppose to put it on the dyno but ran out of funds for now and I can not spend anymore on the car for a while.

lowandslow4now

05-25-2009, 05:04 PM

Took a 3rd gear log today if anone can take a look at let me know if everything looks good I am running 16psi right now and I still getting a positive deviation code.
Thanks

lowandslow4now

05-27-2009, 10:37 AM

Anyone? Input?

sean1.8t

05-27-2009, 01:40 PM

Anyone? Input?

it looks fine for what i can see.

log blocks 003 and 020 to see both timing advance and timing corection factors on all cylinders.

then log lambda values so you can make sure that your AFR is still in check

lowandslow4now

05-27-2009, 04:27 PM

Thanks I definetely appreciate the input and I will log 003 and 20 next time. Lambda is that block 115? if not what block is that because I get nothing for 115.

20vpower

05-27-2009, 11:29 PM

115 is boost pressure you need to have a map sensor to read this, but you are ndbw aeb so you dont.
lambda is 031

lowandslow4now

05-28-2009, 04:02 PM

cool thanks for the info I usually do log 31 I will go take some more logs this weekend and maybe turn the boost up alittle more.

sean1.8t

05-28-2009, 04:41 PM

keep the boost low until you or we can verify your logs look good.

and you're running 630's right? what FP do you have set right now?

lowandslow4now

05-28-2009, 04:50 PM

I ended up just staying with the UNI 440 file with 440 delphi's and 3"VR maf housing, I am running 16psi for now.

Wizard-of-OD

05-28-2009, 06:43 PM

I ended up just staying with the UNI 440 file with 440 delphi's and 3"VR maf housing, I am running 16psi for now.
Sorry I am only now seeing this.

How is the "garbage" turbocharger doing? Got full boost by 7000 rpm's as people were predicting?[>_<]

haha...

Congrats on the 16psi[up]

lowandslow4now

05-29-2009, 05:06 AM

I love the turbo I start getting a few pounds in the mid 3's and see full boost mid 4's and the speedo rises fast. I will end up going with the tapp I think the software I have now is ok but I wont have any room to grow inthe future.

ryans89notch

05-31-2009, 06:09 PM

Nice! Same turbo as in my 85 svo. Loved it! Bet it's a pleasure to drive[wrench]

lowandslow4now

05-31-2009, 06:22 PM

I like it the spool is good and it hits hard.It also get insanely good gas mileage.I went to dubs at the beach this weekend and I drove just under 250 mile this weekend and I used less than half a tank of gas.

20vpower

05-31-2009, 08:16 PM

any more updated vids/pics of the setup?

lowandslow4now

05-31-2009, 08:18 PM

Not yet I suck at taking pics and I havent taken anyvids yet. But they will come soon I have to invest in a better camera I have a old sony digital camera from 03. Its only 3.2 mp

lowandslow4now

06-03-2009, 04:45 PM

Got some pics I just took recently while I was at DATB I didnt stay sunday I left pretty early.

Wizard-of-OD

06-04-2009, 08:32 AM

Looks amazing!

lowandslow4now

06-04-2009, 09:43 AM

Thanks she runs hard and drives good. I have a few little things to do but everything is on hold right now there is a chance I might be moving back to south florida.

pipe7284

06-04-2009, 11:24 AM

^^^where in south florida you plan to move?

lowandslow4now

06-04-2009, 03:10 PM

I might be moving back to broward when I was in the USCG I was stationed down there and when I got out I moved back up north but the company I work for has a position down in miami and I am trying to get it.

lowandslow4now

01-23-2010, 03:23 PM

I guess I have alittle update. Its been awhile. I moved back to South Florida and today I just did my timing belt etc. I also put in a stern snub mount and upgraded my intercooler and piping. I also relocated my BOV to the cold side. I am still not done with the FMIC but I should be done tomorrow. I will also have pics tomorrow.

Lou_B5

01-23-2010, 03:49 PM

what are the benefits of moving the bov to the cold side besides it being closer to your ears?

I'm serious though.

lowandslow4now

01-23-2010, 03:52 PM

Less distance for the air to travel when you let off so it doesn't have to travel back through the intercooler.

Lou_B5

01-23-2010, 04:03 PM

Less distance for the air to travel when you let off so it doesn't have to travel back through the intercooler.

[up] thanks

lowandslow4now

02-10-2010, 04:40 PM

Lou_B5

02-11-2010, 05:17 AM

lets see those new logs!

A4DRIVR

02-11-2010, 06:12 AM

Well everything is back on and installed I am not happy with the amount of trimming I had to do to the bumper cover. I was planning on going with an S4 cover in the future. But I just came back from a quick run and I need to appologize to Unitronic. I thought there programming was always running rich but I believe that intercooler piping size has alot to do with it. I was at 2" piping before and now with the new setup its 2.5" through and I constantly hit 11.7 AFR at WOT. She pulls hard but I have to do some logging and check my Injector duty cycle. Its been awhile since I have. It was at 81% on 17LBS and now I run 20psi so I will take a look again.

Yeah... I had to cut the crap out of my stock A4 bumper to get it back on, and it still needs more trimming! I'm going to pull it back off in the next couple of weeks and start hogging more material out of the back of the bumper cover so that it will fit right. Just be glad you didn't do what I did and remove the reinforcement from the cover itself. Nothing wants to line up now that the bumper doesn't securely attach to the reinforcement.

lowandslow4now

02-11-2010, 06:19 AM

Yeah to me my bumper looks like ass. Fit, trim, Install, Fit, trim, install. I did it atleast a dozen or so times and it still wouldn't fit right. I am trying to convince the wife to let me get a S4 bumper. I will also do some logs today. I went on a joyride lastnight with out my laptop witch is usually something I never do.

A4DRIVR

02-11-2010, 06:27 AM

Fit, trim, Install, Fit, trim, install. I did it atleast a dozen or so times and it still wouldn't fit right. I am trying to convince the wife to let me get a S4 bumper. I will also do some logs today. I went on a joyride lastnight with out my laptop witch is usually something I never do.

Funny... you sound just like me. I am so frustrated with it, that I'm going to have a good friend of mine take a stab at it while I try to correct some of the other little things in the engine bay.

black99.5a4

02-11-2010, 06:30 AM

i think the journal bearing turbos are going to pick up in popularity. yeah, you have some lag, but because of that lag, you're not hard on the rods as you are with a quicker spooling turbo.

glad you like the 57 trim, a buddy is doing a 50 trim, rebuilding it with a 360* thrust bearing setup.

A4DRIVR

02-11-2010, 06:31 AM

If I were to do it again... I would NEVER folow 034's suggestion to remove the reinforcement from the bumber cover. I would just make all of the cuts and trimming with the bumper cover attached. I'm pretty pissed about this actually. Fit and finish are big issues to me... and right now my front bumper looks like A-S-S.

http://public.bay.livefilestore.com/y1pksQ74ZGMbo8b_OL9L_v9fWokmak6RCCBJxv_JgjLtqqrKar 0oMKOyx0qH-VqHXdny7DtwV2R2WsjHS58_XuroA/IMG_0177%202009.12.18.1722.17.jpg

lowandslow4now

02-11-2010, 06:44 AM

I love the setup. Its not that laggy. If I DD it I could go all day and not get into boost if I wanted. Off boost response is actually pretty good and if I need to go quicker I will down shift.

lowandslow4now

02-11-2010, 06:46 AM

Yeah my bar was separated from the cover over a year and a half ago and it never fits the same again.

blackhat

02-11-2010, 07:17 PM

nice progress, glad to see you decided to fix it. i remember seeing our thread a while ago when it broke down on ya.

lowandslow4now

03-07-2010, 03:43 PM

Well I did a few runs today I have some short clips. I took out the bar I made since the wife was shooting the vid.

Seerlah

03-07-2010, 04:45 PM

You don't have any lights on the dash. That's amasing[up].

lowandslow4now

03-07-2010, 05:00 PM

The only codes I get are for the N75 which I dont use and outside temp sensor because it is bad and I haven't replaced it.

Lou_B5

03-07-2010, 05:14 PM

pretty cool vids bro.

lowandslow4now

03-07-2010, 05:22 PM

Thanks I am going to raise the boost alittle. I lost about 2psi going to a much larger IC core and piping. I will adjust the MBC

Seerlah

03-07-2010, 06:08 PM

How did you get to 20psi? Just testing the waters to see what works? I would not even attempt that on the 06a, but you have a stronger bottom end.

lowandslow4now

03-07-2010, 06:26 PM

I did alot of logging and slowly raised it up. I am sure it could handle more but I think I will run out of injector before I get to the limit of the bottom end.

lowandslow4now

03-07-2010, 06:48 PM

Here is the last one

Sharpy

03-07-2010, 08:10 PM

Yeah... I had to cut the crap out of my stock A4 bumper to get it back on, and it still needs more trimming! I'm going to pull it back off in the next couple of weeks and start hogging more material out of the back of the bumper cover so that it will fit right. Just be glad you didn't do what I did and remove the reinforcement from the cover itself. Nothing wants to line up now that the bumper doesn't securely attach to the reinforcement.

Hey i am doing this same thing right now with my a4 front bumber. do you have a picture of what it looked like at the end of all the cutting

lowandslow4now

03-08-2010, 05:48 PM

Well my project is Officially for sale. I accomplished my goal of a car that IMO looks good,reliable, quick and has the best color(laser red). I wouldnt hesitate to drive this car anywhere. Hopefully she will go to a good home.

dcampana

03-08-2010, 06:15 PM

nice build and LOVE the vids... so whats next, once this one sells? :)

sucks to hear you selling it

lowandslow4now

03-08-2010, 06:24 PM

Thank.I am going to buy a house. One of goals is to buy a house before I am 30. I am going to be 29 this year and I am in a solid position to buy so my baby must go. Once I do buy a house my next car will probably be either an Mcoupe or an E36 M3. I drive my car maybe twice a week only to meets so it will get more use for someone else as a daily. One thing I have to do before it sells is go to a dyno.

dcampana

03-08-2010, 07:13 PM

cool... yeah i did the same thing with my 510's to buy. then pissed and moaned there after for selling them. oh well. moved on to the Audi since then... my buddy has an E36 m3. built bottom end, cams port job ect... nice car, but now where near my car ( track or drags)... they are nice rides and he can get in his, and just drive with no real worries. hahaha

congrats on the home buying. best market to buy in right now. take advatage of the first time home buyer credit, in contract by 4/30 and clsoe no later than 6/30 for up to $8k!!!!! (10% of your purchase price)