The low and maybe not so slow build thread

[lowandslow4now]

Thanks for looking

[dwi_gti]

You had to tow the car home cuase you couldnt get a boost pipe up, jsut use break cleaner next time to clean up the oil.

on a side note form what i understand the Chris Tapp software is much better then the uni software when it comes to the AEB motor due to the Tapp software spending alot more time on the MAF tune.

are those broken studs on the SPA mani?

any plans to upgrade the rods?

[pipe7284]

you and my girl have twin cars!!!! lol laser red on black wheels. and BT

[lowandslow4now]

everytime I started the car the turbo was shooting oil out and boost pipe would just pop right off all I had in the car was some windex in the car that I sprayed and wiped down the pipes with. luckily I didnt have to pay for the tow I had road side assistance from my insurance and they coverd 17 miles for free and to my house is 16.6 miles. I plan going with tapp I ended getting the uni file for dirt cheap to get going. There are no broken studs on the mani I just had one in there I have it mounted on the car now I am just waiting on some parts from Issam. I am eventually going to replace the rods I am not shooting for huge numbers yet.

[dwi_gti]

Pics of the turbo! wheres it from?

[lowandslow4now]

Its a garrett turbo I am actually waiting for delivery of it.

[bernB5]

Its a garrett turbo I am actually waiting for delivery of it.

no idea why you went with that turbo, it's a terrible choice.
57 trims are laggy as hell and don't really have any benefits over a 50 trim. They also have the tendency to surge.

A 57 trim with a .63 a/r hits full boost around 4500, an .82 will be awful.
Either spend the money and get a dbb garrett (3071 or 30r) or go with a 50 trim .63 or .82.

You should also go with tapp tune like stated above, they are known to be much better on aeb, dbc setups. not telling you what to do, or trying to be a dick, i just hope you did some research before buying that turbo, because it's not going to be fun.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BJgShp8ap7I

[lowandslow4now]

I understand what you are saying I am going under Issam's recomendation on the turbo and with the software I am going to go with tapp just not right now.

[goody6691]

its about time you started that build

[bernB5]

I understand what you are saying I am going under Issam's recomendation on the turbo and with the software I am going to go with tapp just not right now.

alrighty.
what are your power goals btw? is this your dd?

[lowandslow4now]

This car is not my daily driver and has not been for over a year. To start I will be going for about 300 awhp as the the torque should not be a problem for rods then when I do rods and headwork I will probably try to get up about 400 which I think this turbo will be able to produce. But I am going to be doing this build little by little and it is primarily for the track.

[bernB5]

those goals could have easily been met by a 50 trim .63 a/r..

[lowandslow4now]

True but I can make the same power with less boost

[O2VW1.8T]

no idea why you went with that turbo, it's a terrible choice.
57 trims are laggy as hell and don't really have any benefits over a 50 trim. They also have the tendency to surge.

A 57 trim with a .63 a/r hits full boost around 4500, an .82 will be awful.
Either spend the money and get a dbb garrett (3071 or 30r) or go with a 50 trim .63 or .82.

You should also go with tapp tune like stated above, they are known to be much better on aeb, dbc setups. not telling you what to do, or trying to be a dick, i just hope you did some research before buying that turbo, because it's not going to be fun.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BJgShp8ap7I

57 trims SUCK, I had one on my 1.8T and that mofo surged like crazy past 20psi

[O2VW1.8T]

True but I can make the same power with less boost

By what 1-2psi lol, You will be much happier with a 50 trim....

[lowandslow4now]

I know the 57trims are not a fan favorite but I was reasured that I would have good power and I shouldnt have a problem

[bernB5]

By what 1-2psi lol, You will be much happier with a 50 trim....

pete, this is alex, oldschool vdubbz337 from vortex haha. I was referring to you, when I mentioned what's up with the 57 trim.

I know the 57trims are not a fan favorite but I was reasured that I would have good power and I shouldnt have a problem

dude, you're just standing up for some information given to you by one person. you will NOT be happy with the 57 trim.. and running a tiny bit less boost to make the same power, with a smaller powerband... what's the point?

buddy of mine just made 370whp on an awp, stock block, stock head, and 25psi, on a 50 trim .63.

i won't lecture you any more about this, but you should just listen to us and exchange the turbo while you still can.

[Wizard-of-OD]

but you should just listen to us and exchange the turbo while you still can.

He is listening to me....
His power goal is limited for now.

I ran a 57 trim for a good number of years.Take that for what it is worth....notice the A/R in this combination.

Every customer and build is treated case by case.

[bernB5]

He is listening to me....
His power goal is limited for now.

I ran a 57 trim for a good number of years.Take that for what it is worth....notice the A/R in this combination.

Every customer and build is treated case by case.

Taking all things into account, you really feel the 57 trim is a better choice? I just don't see why, but, it's all good.
He said he's running this with an .82 a/r, which will probably get rid of any surging issues present on the .63, but it will be super laggy. No matter what the case, the 50 trim seems like a better option in all circumstances. I look forward to the results. (not questioning your opinion/knowledge Issam, just curious..)

[Seerlah]

I am no expert, but I came to learn a while ago that the Garrett T Series Turbo is not a turbo people get too comfprtable with, as the lag can be rather frustrating. It is still a good turbo for the money. But with a few extra hundred bucks, a Garrett BB would not really leave a person wishing they went with a different turbo. I guess if he likes to drive in the higher RPMs or had bigger displacement, then the T Series is a do-able street turbo. As agreeing with bernB5, I would have either gone with the 50 trim or a BB.

I know Jumboblack1.8T has a GT30xx on his stock block, and am sure there is lag there. I don't know how the lag compares to the T Series, but I was told from the beginning when I first started to do searches on turbos that I would not like the T series (of course I am not the OP, just using referance to a scenerio). Even though it is cheaper than the BB, that is one of the reasons people do not run those turbos. Maybe a meth/water kit can change the situation though

But I still always respect Issam's opinions when it comes to the matters of vehicles. Of course, that is his field of expertise.

[lowandslow4now]

I have driven in a few bt T series cars and I like when then boost hits the car rarely sees the street and if it does it is the highway going somewhere if I want to have fun in sthe street I have my wifes MKV GLI to play with.lol

[4inchMAF]

I understand what you are saying I am going under Issam's recomendation on the turbo and with the software I am going to go with tapp just not right now.

i can believe he would suggest that turbo. no offense, but that was a bad, bad choice for out motor. it surges like crazy, and even with a .63 the lag is terrible. i have a .63 50 trim right now, any more lag than this would suck!!!
.82?!!! that is RIDICULOUS!!! why SOOOOO big? im not joking when i say you will have about a 1000 RPM power band (and with stock rods you wont want to run much more than about 15PSI on that thing). so MAD lag just for low boost.

and since youre not doing rods, using 440cc injectors will be just fine. 300AWHP can easily be achieved with 440's. if youre making power to the point where you NEED 630's, you are going to break a rod...

i dont mean to sound like a dick. the guy i sold my GTI to blew the 50 trim it came with and put on a 57 trim. after 5 weeks at 15PSI on a 440 file he blew the motor apart...

if you are dead set on keeping that 57 trim (if you cant return it for a 50 trim), do yourself a BIG favor and at the very least get a .63 housing for it...

good luck happy

I know Jumboblack1.8T has a GT30xx on his stock block, and am sure there is lag there. I don't know how the lag compares to the T Series. Maybe a meth/water kit can change the situation though

water/meth has NOTHING to do with lag

[ghost6303]

if more advanced timing = increased EGTs = increased exhaust velocity.
increased exhaust velocity = faster spool = less lag.

wouldnt water/meth lower your EGTs (& IATs) and increase octane allowing you to run more advanced timing to help spool the turbo? just a thought...

that should be a fun car when you get it done. looks nice.

[1fstavant]

bro good luck with the setup...tseries are fun i loved mine way worth the money i saved on not going bb...
everyone talks about lag but honestly on my 50trim i was fully spooled by 45 if not 4


keep us updated

[lowandslow4now]

I dont mind the lag. The car is not a dd maybe if it was a dd then the lag might bother me but this build is going to be in steps and more for fun so if something breaks I can afford to have the car down for whatever period of time.

[.Mad Hatter.]

ill be keeping my eye on this, basically my desired setup except with a .63 A/R

[20vpower]

Nice choice for hardware on this setup. Hope to see this running well soon with some numbers.

[lowandslow4now]

Thanks I should be recieving the rest of my 034 Stage 3 kit today so I am a little excited. But this is the beginnig there is so much that goes into this its insane but little by little is how i have to do it.

[Seerlah]

water/meth has NOTHING to do with lag

I was under the assumption that the Meth also makes the turbo spool faster. Not by much, but maybe 500RPMs.

To the OP, what turbo did you decide for your final decision? I noticed you ordered a kit on the 034 Turbo Kit thread.

[lowandslow4now]

I just took delivery of the kit I ended up going with the T3/TO4E 57trim .82AR

[20vpower]

now put it on!

[lowandslow4now]

I wish I could this weekend but I am heading to ny for the weekend but I have to say that the downpipe is a quality piece.

[20vpower]

damn i should have held out for the spa mani...

[lowandslow4now]

damn i should have held out for the spa mani...

The Spa mani is a nice piece but the install can be tough especially tightening the bottom bolts on the mani. I am going to try and do some of the install today. I put the downpipe in yesterday and while I was under the car I noticed one of the linkages for the shifter was about to come out.The bolt in there had almost backed out completely.

[lowandslow4now]

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[.Mad Hatter.]

kit looks awesome...good work.

[AudiA4_20T]

nice

[pipe7284]

sexy, you still need to rotate that compressor housing counterclokwise a little bit for the intercooler piping.

[dwi_gti]

why do you say that? thats the same way i have my IC pipe going over the frame rail

[bernB5]

yeah, it will also leave room for a nice inlet to go down and back up