50 Trim Stylez!!!!

[4inchMAF]

FINISHED PRODUCT DYNO:

http://i148.photobucket.com/albums/s29/SETSEROCK/ChrisA4.jpg


so the GTRS got boring real quick!!! i traded my 50 trim GTI that was making over 330whp for an AEB with a uni k03 chip.....i thought the Elim would quench my thirst for power..LOL

so anyway, this weekend the GTRS is coming off in favor of another 50 trim. coming from a MKIV GTI, the T3T4 50 trim was a very popular turbo. coming over hear to the Audi world (where budgets seems to be a little bigger), it seems GT series turbos are were its at. Im going to do this a little differently and do a 50 trim....

Heres a list of the parts:

Kinetic T3/T4 50 trim (.63 4-bolt discharge with V-Band adapter) Now a Garrett...because the Kinetic DIED IN A MONTH!!!
Tial 38mm WG
ATP clone T3 side mount log manifold
ATP BT DownPipe V-Band
Greddy FMIC/custom piping
Oil lines pieced together from ATP (man i hate giving them money)
Custom inlet pipe
Unitronic 440cc file
Delphi 440cc injectors

to follow early this spring:
Scat 20mm rods
new rod bearings
new piston rings

boost will be limited to 16PSI until the rods go in.

i will be adding pics as the parts all start pouring this week.

All big metal parts have been mirror polished (intake manifold, valve cover, compressor housing), and all plastic parts are being wrapped in carbon fiber [cool]

i still really need some help designing the inlet pipe and routing the WG dump tube.....please do feel free to chime in with any ideas you may have regarding these two things. any pictures would be a great help!!!

Thanks for looking!!!! [up]

http://i148.photobucket.com/albums/s29/SETSEROCK/newturbo002.jpg

http://i148.photobucket.com/albums/s29/SETSEROCK/newturbo009.jpg

http://i148.photobucket.com/albums/s29/SETSEROCK/newturbo008.jpg

http://i148.photobucket.com/albums/s29/SETSEROCK/newturbo005.jpg

http://i148.photobucket.com/albums/s29/SETSEROCK/newturbo003.jpg

http://i148.photobucket.com/albums/s29/SETSEROCK/newturbo010.jpg

http://i148.photobucket.com/albums/s29/SETSEROCK/newturbo004.jpg

i wrapped the SHIT out of this DP!!!
http://i148.photobucket.com/albums/s29/SETSEROCK/newturbo011.jpg



this is what the bay looks like now:
http://i148.photobucket.com/albums/s29/SETSEROCK/polishstuff006.jpg

GT28RS Eliminator:
http://i148.photobucket.com/albums/s29/SETSEROCK/polishstuff003.jpg

i just got done polishing the turbo:

before:
http://i148.photobucket.com/albums/s29/SETSEROCK/newturbo003.jpg

after:
http://i148.photobucket.com/albums/s29/SETSEROCK/polishedturbo003.jpg

FINISHED PRODUCT:

http://i148.photobucket.com/albums/s29/SETSEROCK/tallcar007.jpg
http://i148.photobucket.com/albums/s29/SETSEROCK/018.jpg

[Don Supreme]

hmmm couple thoughts ---

#1 I hope that a garrett 50 trim and not kinetics roto whatever, as I have seen quite a few complaints about those
#2 don't expect to make any real power with 440cc injectors.

[lowandslow4now]

I have a very simlar setup that im doing right now good luck. I want to see how this comes out.

[94jedi]

#2 don't expect to make any real power with 440cc injectors.

That's what I was thinking too. you're severely limiting potential w/ those injectors.

I ran 630's on my old setup. on top of that mine was a 48 a/r. W/ a .63, you're going to want all the fuel you can get.

The TIP is going to be trial and error. it took me several attempts to get it right. I used quite a few silicone hoses and couplers as well as some aluminum tubing. Welding the the DV bung on Aluminum was a bitch.

[pipe7284]

you better post some pics of the process.

[4inchMAF]

hmmm couple thoughts ---

#1 I hope that a garrett 50 trim and not kenetics roto whatever, as I have seen quite a few complaints about those
#2 don't expect to make any real power with 440cc injectors.

they owed me a turbo, so i took it.

i would have went with a 630 file (but Uni doesnt have one for the AEB yet!! its all about DBW for them) whenever they do finish the 630 file, i will switch...until then 300WHP is all i can do with these injectors...not a problem though, the rods arent even in yet.....

[lowandslow4now]

they owed me a turbo, so i took it.

i would have went with a 630 file (but Uni doesnt have one for the AEB yet!! its all about DBW for them) whenever they do finish the 630 file, i will switch...until then 300WHP is all i can do with these injectors...not a problem though, the rods arent even in yet.....

I know what you mean about the UNI I am going to be running the same file tweaked with 630's until I can get a Tapp tune.

[Don Supreme]

I know what you mean about the UNI I am going to be running the same file tweaked with 630's until I can get a Tapp tune.

I see you are local........... When is your BT setup going to be finished?

[Don Supreme]

P.S. I am going to be selling my 630s pretty soon...

$150 shipped

[djwimbo]

i would have went with a 630 file (but Uni doesnt have one for the AEB yet!!

True. Go custom. The reason they don't support the average person with an AEB and the bigger 630 injectors is the lack of a OEM wideband. Or at least that's my understanding.

There's plenty of AEB's w/ 630's though


Good luck on the project. Keep us updated.

[sean1.8t]

im selling 440's in case you haven't picked any up yet [:)]

[4inchMAF]

everything in that list is stuff i already have, just waiting for the weekend to instal it all. i have a GTRS kit on right now running 440s.....

[20vpower]

nice! ill be doing my 50 trim this weekend as well. im going to be pulling the motor to do the clutch at the same time(no trans jack, but i have a cherry picker). i figure the more room i can get the better. ill get some pics going hopefully.

[bassed]

Go SEM, go level10 and grab 630's.

[4inchMAF]

you talking to that guy above your post?

oh, and bump for pics!!!

[20vpower]

bump for the pics looking like my desk right now lol

[bassed]

you talking to that guy above your post?

oh, and bump for pics!!!


I thought someone was doing this setup on a Tiptronic car, hence my saying level 10.

I am saying this to everyone. If I didn't have a 01.5' and wasn't DBW, I would without a doubt only run SEM. The 630's will give you enough room to play with that setup.

Here are some pictures of my old 2860rs setup that was converted to a external wg and ran on the same ATP Manifold......

http://www.smugmug.com/photos/190111449_NzbqY-M.jpg

http://www.smugmug.com/photos/190111450_59uKr-M.jpg

http://www.smugmug.com/photos/195634849_t8vnQ-M.jpg

http://www.smugmug.com/photos/190111442_jpAWL-M.jpg

[4inchMAF]

im going to try something with the inlet to have the filter in the area of the stock airbox... if it doesnt work out, i will be copying your intake setup here... thanks for the pics!

[bassed]

im going to try something with the inlet to have the filter in the area of the stock airbox... if it doesnt work out, i will be copying your intake setup here... thanks for the pics!


No problem

[4inchMAF]

hey bassed, how is your IC core mounted in that last pic?

and is that a greddy core? i think we have the same core. i got the greddy core because of the way the internal "fins" look. the design allows for alot of flow, but with ALOT of surface area...i will post a pic of the inside for everyone to see.....it is FAR from one of those cheap ebay cores that seem to be so popular these days....

[4inchMAF]

i just spent the last 3 hours polishing the compressor housing BY HAND!!!!

[AudiA4_20T]

i just spent the last 3 hours polishing the compressor housing BY HAND!!!!

how much hp do you pick up from that?

[4inchMAF]

how much hp do you pick up from that?

it doesnt make any extra HP. the car just feels so much faster because of the weight in metal i shaved off of the compressor housing from polishing it [up]

install starts in the morning too [:)]

[sean1.8t]

how much hp do you pick up from that?

haha! srsly!

such a waste of 3 hours

[sean1.8t]

oh, and a couple of things.

DON'T, i repeat, DON'T use any of the gaskets for the turbo or wastegate. just use the gasket from the manifold>head. the other ones will just end up blowing out and causing problems down the road. trust me on this.

and also, i would make sure you have some good studs to bolt the turbine to the manifold. if you have cheap ATP studs or the like, they will snap eventually. trust me on this one again [mad]. i would get some ARP bolts. it equals more $$$$, but it's worth it IMO

good luck with the install [up]

[20vpower]

can someone post up the arp bolts that should be used for the turbo>mani bolts. ive seen the link from summit racing before but i cant find it

[bassed]

oh, and a couple of things.

DON'T, i repeat, DON'T use any of the gaskets for the turbo or wastegate. just use the gasket from the manifold>head. the other ones will just end up blowing out and causing problems down the road. trust me on this.

and also, i would make sure you have some good studs to bolt the turbine to the manifold. if you have cheap ATP studs or the like, they will snap eventually. trust me on this one again [mad]. i would get some ARP bolts. it equals more $$$$, but it's worth it IMO

good luck with the install [up]

Troof

[bassed]

hey bassed, how is your IC core mounted in that last pic?

and is that a greddy core? i think we have the same core. i got the greddy core because of the way the internal "fins" look. the design allows for alot of flow, but with ALOT of surface area...i will post a pic of the inside for everyone to see.....it is FAR from one of those cheap ebay cores that seem to be so popular these days....

Yeah that's my old Greddy core, I still have it if someone needs a decent core and it's black[>_<]. It just needs a map flange or it blocked off for a dbc car. http://www.smugmug.com/photos/300766863_gy6rY-M.jpg

Any who it was mounted with strapping strips from Homie D[;)]
http://www.smugmug.com/photos/158416392_DXRWX-M.jpg

I now am running 2.5" piping all the way through and a much bigger core...http://www.smugmug.com/photos/305337756_28jtS-L.jpg

[4inchMAF]

wow. we have been going through hell putting this together. started on monday!!!!

its been one little thing after another!!! (you all have been here im sure)

we had to use an air-hammer to cut through the exhaust mani nuts (3 hours)

we had to take off the WHOLE exhaust (with no lift) just to get the test pipe off (as its really hard to reach down there from above...and you can hardly reach them from under the car).

the ATP inlet is EVIL!!!! it was put on this earth to torment those who who dont have an SPA mani. im referring to making an inlet. THIS PART HAS SUCKED!!!!....we finally got it by using a 3" 90* off the turbo pointing down...to a cast aluminum tight radius 90* pipe (made by Vibrant)...to the MAF housing...to the cone filter. the filter is sitting where the stock air box would be. i tapped 3 holes into the 90* cast aluminum elbow and screwed in 3 different sized fitting (fittings where threaded on one side and barbed on the other). a 1" OD for the DV, a 3/4" OD for the PCV, and a 1/4" for the EVAP. it was HELL though!!!!

the DP is about 1" too short!!!! the V-Band flang is SOOOOO close, yet so far away :(

we had to fabb up a WG relocation pipe and a dump pipe to come off the WG. this part went pretty smoothly actually...


ALL i need to do now is figure how we're going to get the 2 V-Band flanges to meet up now. this sucks!!!! they are only about an inch away from each other :(

pics to follow....

[20vpower]

just run DP open [up] wait so the dp wont fit to the turbo correct or the dp to rest of exhaust doesnt fit correct?

[4inchMAF]

just run DP open [up] wait so the dp wont fit to the turbo correct or the dp to rest of exhaust doesnt fit correct?
the down pipe is about 1.5" from meeting up with the turbo [mad]

[njm23]

the down pipe is about 1.5" from meeting up with the turbo [mad]

well that certainly sucks.. Seams that there will be some more fab work in your future. Now whos the one who f-ed up the measurements???? ha

[4inchMAF]

well that certainly sucks.. Seams that there will be some more fab work in your future. Now whos the one who f-ed up the measurements???? ha

ATP down pipe...so im not surprised.... [evilmad]

[bernB5]

you've been doing metal fabbing,... get a 3" pipe, and just extend the dp by 1.5", problem solved! or, just connect it to the turbo, go to a muffler shop, have them extend it, and call it a day. either way, it's a pain, but it's not a HUGE deal.
happy to hear you got the inlet sorted out, hope we were all helpful. can't wait for pics and driving vids :)

[solowb5]

the down pipe is about 1.5" from meeting up with the turbo [mad]


or 1.5" away from meeting the exhaust. Which is probally the right error margine that was ment. I'm sure it will bolt to the turbo just fine. Unless you have a v-band. Then there should be a 5 bolt to v-band adaptor which would close the 1.5" gap. Pics would help.

[sean1.8t]

or 1.5" away from meeting the exhaust. Which is probally the right error margine that was ment. I'm sure it will bolt to the turbo just fine. Unless you have a v-band. Then there should be a 5 bolt to v-band adaptor which would close the 1.5" gap. Pics would help.

yup, the 5bolt > v-band adapter.

just like this

http://i93.photobucket.com/albums/l66/groovysean/turbo004.jpg

since you're not running an internally gated GT turbo, you're isn't going to fit. but no worries. you've been doing a lot of fab work by the sound of it. just buy(i know it sucks) another clamp and 2 V-band flanges. then fab up a little section of 3" piping to fill the gap. viola

[4inchMAF]

I DID IT!!!! its over!!!! these last 5 days seemed like weeks. this is my 3rd time doing a big build, but the first time doing custom stuff.

we got the V-Band flanges to touch on the bottom of the flanges but the tops were still about 13" of an inch from being there, so i just pulled on it as hard as i possibly could (im a pretty big guy and this took all i had) while the guy ive been doing all this with got the vband on . we were able to torque down the nut and the flanges FINALLY came together :) oh, and im using a 4 bolt-to-vband adapter already....





happy to hear you got the inlet sorted out, hope we were all helpful. can't wait for pics and driving vids :)

thanks for your help man!!!

im uploading a few pics now....

[Poopie]

I DID IT!!!! its over!!!! these last 5 days seemed like weeks. this is my 3rd time doing a big build, but the first time doing custom stuff.

we got the V-Band flanges to touch on the bottom of the flanges but the tops were still about 13" of an inch from being there, so i just pulled on it as hard as i possibly could (im a pretty big guy and this took all i had) while the guy ive been doing all this with got the vband on . we were able to torque down the nut and the flanges FINALLY came together :) oh, and im using a 4 bolt-to-vband adapter already....





thanks for your help man!!!

im uploading a few pics now....

those welds on the dp or exhaust are gonna eventually break cause it sounds like its under a ton of stress from not fitting. I think you should drive to the exhaust shop and have them refab some stuff so it fits like a glove. Its not as expensive as you may think. Probably only about $150-200 to rework the pipes. ATP really needs to stop selling those down pipes. Only rare occasions do i see them fitting. I've never seen them fit a t3 set up.

[solowb5]

^^^ X2. Deffinately relieve that stress on the exhaust with some zanx

[4inchMAF]

your right, it seemed like a lot of stress. i have every intention of fixing this ASAP.

this is how we got most of the exhaust mani nuts off:

http://i148.photobucket.com/albums/s29/SETSEROCK/build005.jpg
http://i148.photobucket.com/albums/s29/SETSEROCK/build004.jpg

this is the WG relocation pipe we made:
http://i148.photobucket.com/albums/s29/SETSEROCK/build006.jpg
http://i148.photobucket.com/albums/s29/SETSEROCK/build011.jpg
http://i148.photobucket.com/albums/s29/SETSEROCK/build008.jpg

almost finished pic (yesterday):
http://i148.photobucket.com/albums/s29/SETSEROCK/build014.jpg

i will take some pics of the finished product in the morning. you can see how we did the intake too.....

[solowb5]

That looks really sexy in there man.

[sean1.8t]

oh damn! i didn't notice the adapter you already had.

but shit! that's a lot more of a gap than 1.5". that looks like 6 inches to me.

congrats on getting it together

[4inchMAF]

but shit! that's a lot more of a gap than 1.5". that looks like 6 inches to me.

congrats on getting it together

the whole exhaust (DP to muffler) wasnt bolted up in that picture, thats why the gap looks so big in that one...

and thanks!!! it was a rough time.....


finished!!!!
http://i148.photobucket.com/albums/s29/SETSEROCK/011.jpg

[JumboBlack1.8]

Damn.....well done man. That looks really good....Would look even better if you did a wire tuck.....and sent you a PM earlier

[lowandslow4now]

That looks great Congrats and how did yo uend up routing your intake?

[blkb6a4]

congrats, get that thing on a dyno so we can see some numbers!

and some vids :)

[4inchMAF]

That looks great Congrats and how did you end up routing your intake?

like this for now....this is temporary...i made a heat shield too (obviously not in this pic):
http://i148.photobucket.com/albums/s29/SETSEROCK/015.jpg
http://i148.photobucket.com/albums/s29/SETSEROCK/016.jpg


congrats, get that thing on a dyno so we can see some numbers!

and some vids :) i still have to install the front mount first :( the car was in a friends garge all week, i didnt want to wear out my welcome by taking another day to do the IC....it will go on within a week. then ill be driving it straight to the dyno...

the car:
http://i148.photobucket.com/albums/s29/SETSEROCK/018.jpg

[20vpower]

nice man, i should have my 50 trim setup done monday. i had to order a new manifold at the last minute and it wont be here till then. did you end up putting in the those gaskets?

[4inchMAF]

nice man, i should have my 50 trim setup done monday. i had to order a new manifold at the last minute and it wont be here till then. did you end up putting in the those gaskets?

ive had too many issue with exhaust leaks from not using them.

i have spares though of all of them. they are all in positions were they can be changed in 5 minutes if one blows....

what is your t3/t4 setup all about?

[////D]

man i miss my old car, im glad you could do what i had planned for it but never had cash to actually do it [up] props to you

[4inchMAF]

im glad you could do what i had planned for it but never had cash to actually do it

i got the DP used, the mani was a copy, the IC core was used, the intake home-made...

i didnt spend a whole lot actually. selling my Eliminator paid for everything. and i already had the software/injectors.

[////D]

i got the DP used, the mani was a copy, the IC core was used, the intake home-made...

i didnt spend a whole lot actually. selling my Eliminator paid for everything. and i already had the software/injectors.

either way, it came out nice and should haul ass

[4inchMAF]

.....and should haul ass

10 PSI feels better than 20 did on the GTRS. i have it locked at 17PSI until the rods go in...i smoked an STI today!!!! [race]

[lowandslow4now]

Nice and cant wait to get mine going and congrats again on a good build

[4inchMAF]

finally did the intercooler (stock one is very useful with this turbo).

me and my dude did it in his garage. his garage has some fabrication equipment in it. so it really came in handy.

first we tore out all the stock stuff and put in the pipes (and made a cross brace:
http://i148.photobucket.com/albums/s29/SETSEROCK/001-1.jpg

we bent some more steel into two "L"s and tack welded them to the cross:
http://i148.photobucket.com/albums/s29/SETSEROCK/020-1.jpg

the Greddy core had no where to mount tabs and we had no aluminum welding abilities at this moment so we cut out two slots in the top piece and slid in a bolt with a washer on it in the slot:
http://i148.photobucket.com/albums/s29/SETSEROCK/022-1.jpg

the whole diverter valve setup had to be completely redone (i hated how the stock DV hose was only 3/4", so i used 1" hose... the DV is louder now) AutoZone has a ton of molded heater hoses, so i went through them to find one with just the right bends in it:
http://i148.photobucket.com/albums/s29/SETSEROCK/023-1.jpg

we then welded the "L"s all the way to the cross brace and put a whole in each of the Ls and then bolted the core the the Ls and the instalation of the IC was done:
http://i148.photobucket.com/albums/s29/SETSEROCK/026.jpg




next came getting the bumper back on. THIS WAS HELLLLLLL!!!!!!!! the core is only 2.75" thick, yet we still had to take SOOOO much material off of the bumper. i wish i had pics of the back of the bumper. we spent HOURS trying the fit it, then trimming, then fitting, then trimming, over and over. it sucked!!! ill post pics tomorrow of the finished product. the bumper really looks great considering how much material was lost (BTW, the reinforcement bar in the bumper is a bitch to cut through)

the whole process took 9 hours!!!! [o_o]

[4inchMAF]

heres a pic of the engine bay too (i dont think ive posted one yet):

http://i148.photobucket.com/albums/s29/SETSEROCK/tallcar007.jpg

http://i148.photobucket.com/albums/s29/SETSEROCK/tallcar001.jpg

[AudiA4_20T]

damn the heater hoses were a great idea

[pipe7284]

Damn!!!! That fmic looks sexy!!! Congrats!!

[20vpower]

is that an ebay fmic kit ? it looks like mine

[B5 Quattro]

How much did to cost in the end ?
How meany hours would you say it took ?

[4inchMAF]

is that an ebay fmic kit ? it looks like mine

it is a Greddy core with piping that copies an Ebay kit...with an APR throttle body hose. this Greddy core is one of the better core ve seen the inside fins are of a very unique design. allows for a lot of flow but there is a TON of surface area in there. i couldnt fit even a 3" core behind this bumper, so, knowing i had to get a thinner core (this is 2.75" thick), which means less core to cool with, i knew i had to get a quality core.....

im not thrilled with the way the pipes look like from out side of the car, but its not bad. a LOT of bumper material had to be removed to fit the pipes...



How much did to cost in the end ?
How many hours would you say it took ?

about $3,800

it took 5 4-hour days to do the install of everything in the engine bay. and about 8 hours in 1 day to do the intercooler [:(]

[20vpower]

Nice! is there any way you can snap a pic from under the car lookin at the hot side piping? i have the same pipes but my ic is a bit smaller in length, i had to use a small filler pipe to close a gap.
should have mine dynod in a few weeks

[4inchMAF]

i can take a pic for you. itll be up on a lift tomorrow while we fix an issue im having with my DP touching the heat shield/tunnel and making a shit load of noise [:(]

these pipes were for a stock turbo, since my turbo outlet is up higher now, i had to put in a piece of 2" pipe that was about 5 inched long in there...

do you have a build thread jumpin off?

[20vpower]

yeah a bit of one but no pics yet, waiting for a new camera.

[4inchMAF]

Kinetic turbo are complete junk. this thing is almost dead after 6 weeks. (only saw boost above 12#'s once on the dyno...(this is the warranty of a warranty too). finally putting a garrett on......

just thought id let everyone know to NEVER buy a Kinetic brand turbo..... complete junk.

[4inchMAF]

heres a recent dyno slip:

http://i148.photobucket.com/albums/s29/SETSEROCK/ChrisA4.jpg

[20vpower]

does it say 300whp 307wtq at 25psi? nice ! this was what oct?

[rocky.ca]

sick.... what tune are you running?

[20vpower]

uni 440

[sean1.8t]

does it say 300whp 307wtq at 25psi? nice ! this was what oct?

GTRS power with even more lag.

4inch: glad you're going with a Garrett! there is just nothing like them. what one are you planing on?

[solowb5]

You guys realize this is on a dyno jet in the winter time? Just saying and no hate...

Anyways what's up with ya man. Finally on break. Have to meet up to chill.
Hit me up.

[4inchMAF]

nice ! this was what oct?

93 octane


sick.... what tune are you running?

Unitronic's AEB 440 file (junk)



GTRS power with even more lag.

ive only heard of one dyno that was even close to this and it was almost 30PSi on race gas. even full gt28RS's arent usually making 300Awhp. besides, this would be around 330 to 340AWHP at this same boost level if this was ANY other brand turbo. when this dyno was done the compressor wheel was dragging on the comp. housing...thats why the curve is so shaky....

cant wait to get the Garrett on and put these rods in!!!! (then get a Tapp 630 tune) looking to make 400Awhp on 100 oct. [wrench]

[sean1.8t]

ive only heard of one dyno that was even close to this and it was almost 30PSi on race gas. even full gt28RS's arent usually making 300Awhp. besides, this would be around 330 to 340AWHP at this same boost level if this was ANY other brand turbo. when this dyno was done the compressor wheel was dragging on the comp. housing...thats why the curve is so shaky....

cant wait to get the Garrett on and put these rods in!!!! (then get a Tapp 630 tune) looking to make 400Awhp on 100 oct. [wrench]


search more. ~23psi on pump gas and a gtrs has netted 290-300Awhp.

on race gas they get to about 310-325 Awhp. and one guy made 375Awhp on 30psi and a 71r elim.

and full gt28rs' on race gas will be about 320Awhp.

that kinetic turbo is junk

[4inchMAF]

search more. ~23psi on pump gas and a gtrs has netted 290-300Awhp.

on race gas they get to about 310-325 Awhp. and one guy made 375Awhp on 30psi and a 71r elim.

and full gt28rs' on race gas will be about 320Awhp.

that kinetic turbo is junk


if someone is making 300Awhp on a gtrs, that thing is going to blow soon if they keep it up. maybe 1 or 2 people have made 300Awhp on a gtrs but it would have to be on ridiculous boost and water/meth would be a necessity to keep detonation in check!!! a 28rs making that kind of power is WAAAYYY out of it efficiency range. 300 WHP is the most people are really making on front wheel drive 1.8ts with WM, quattro eats up a good bit more than FWD.
people on average make 240 to 260-AllWheel HP on a GTRS.

either way a t3/t4 50 trim flows a LOT more air than a 28RS (its comparable to a GT3076R)

this particular 50 trim only made 300AWHP at 25 PSI because Kinetic makes a garbage turbo. on this dyno you could actually hear the compressor wheel dragging on the housing!!! [o_o] at 25 PSI on a Garrett 50 trim, this setup would make 340 to 350 Awhp no problem. "avantstyle" on here made 365awhp at this boost level....

[sean1.8t]

search more......

[4inchMAF]

im not that worried about it....if people want to blow up their tiny little 28RS's to make a dyno slip that says 300awhp then thats their prerogative.....

has it be done? yes. will the turbo last? no.

either way a t3/t4 is nothing like a GTRS (which you made the comparison)

anyways, back to the this car. the Garrett is going on tonight [up] [:)]

[20vpower]

finally! whens the next dyno appt?

[4inchMAF]

finally! whens the next dyno appt?

Im doing the rods in 2 weeks, so after i put a few hundred miles on the motor ill take it to the dyno to see what 25 PSI on a real turbo can do [race]

[4inchMAF]

Garrett turbo being swapped in right now!!!! and not a moment too soon

http://i148.photobucket.com/albums/s29/SETSEROCK/th_006-1.jpg (http://s148.photobucket.com/albums/s29/SETSEROCK/?action=view&current=006-1.flv)

[4inchMAF]

i was stoked to see this box on my porch

http://i148.photobucket.com/albums/s29/SETSEROCK/008-2.jpg

an hour later:

http://i148.photobucket.com/albums/s29/SETSEROCK/007-2.jpg

http://i148.photobucket.com/albums/s29/SETSEROCK/006-2.jpg

2 hours later and its on!!!

http://i148.photobucket.com/albums/s29/SETSEROCK/003-1.jpg

the exact same 15 PSI feels like 20PSI on the Kinetic 50 trim!!! i cant wait to get back on the dyno...

[njm23]

nice!.. just wondering... Why'd you pull it apart to put in?

[4inchMAF]

i only got a new center section (i already had a garrett exhaust housing and the compressor housing was fine). i just left the exhaust housing bolted up becuase the DP barely lined up to the vband adapter and getting the vband on when i first put this turbo on was a 2 hour project....so there was no way i was taking the exhaust housing off...

this thing is soooo smooth compared to the outgoing turbo....

[20vpower]

Ride on! Im making my appt to get the dyno tune. Ill let you know what it makes

[////D]

nice! i want to see actual vids of the car already, i have a garrett on your old gti too now but a 57 trim.

http://i33.photobucket.com/albums/d81/Dmytro_/dyno/th_290hp.jpg (http://s33.photobucket.com/albums/d81/Dmytro_/dyno/?action=view&current=290hp.flv)

[4inchMAF]

i miss that car sometimes. i just dont make enough power to really need AWD

[4inchMAF]

Anyone else here with a 50 trim have any dyno #s?

[20vpower]

not yet, my tune is on hold pending my job situation... i dont want to throw my money in my car and run out of work...

[AForVillard]

I do. I think its a .48 but i ran 337awhp at 21 psi. falls off bad though because of shit tune= Mika.... new to forum and can't figure out how to post the PIC!!!

[sean1.8t]

I do. I think its a .48 but i ran 337awhp at 21 psi. falls off bad though because of shit tune= Mika.... new to forum and can't figure out how to post the PIC!!!

head to 3zero3 (http://www.3zero3motorsports.com/) and get that mika custom tuned before you blow something up with it(happened many times before)

oh, and upload images to http://www.photobucket.com and put the IMG code for the picture in your post...................... example > picture's url here

[Don Supreme]

GTRS has put down 300 AWHP on many cars.....

Those are the better running setups............

[AForVillard]

head to 3zero3 (http://www.3zero3motorsports.com/) and get that mika custom tuned before you blow something up with it(happened many times before)

oh, and upload images to http://www.photobucket.com and put the IMG code for the picture in your post...................... example > picture's url here

Yeah I work at 3zero3 in the summers so It's been taken care of, hopefully, I'm headed there tomorrow to get my black rims back on. Can't wait to save up for a unitronics tune though. Appreciate the concern though [:D]

Also, here is the link to my dyno slip:
http://i690.photobucket.com/albums/vv265/AForVillard/macdynoe.jpg

[4inchMAF]

UPDATE:

i just put down 352WHP at 24 PSI with this Garrett 50 trim. that means i picked up 52 WHP by running 1 PSI less.... that Kinetic turbo was a fuckin joke!!!!

[4inchMAF]

Can't wait to save up for a unitronics tune though.


if you have an '01 i dont see an issue with this. but if you have an AEB, whatever you do dont waste your money on a UNI tune... first off, all they offer for the AEB is a 440 file. secondly, and most importantly, is is JUNK!!!

either way just get a TAPP tune for 630's and call it a day....everyone i know with Uni's AEB BT file has the exact same issues, IE, running SUPER rich, car bucking when you let off the throttle at WOT, odd MAF readings, list of other stuff.....

[volfan98]

Sweet! Got a chart you can post? I'd like to see if it spooled any sooner.

Matt

[sean1.8t]

Yeah I work at 3zero3 in the summers so It's been taken care of, hopefully, I'm headed there tomorrow to get my black rims back on. Can't wait to save up for a unitronics tune though. Appreciate the concern though [:D]

Also, here is the link to my dyno slip:
http://i690.photobucket.com/albums/vv265/AForVillard/macdynoe.jpg

oh, you have Jeff's old car?

[4inchMAF]

Sweet! Got a chart you can post? I'd like to see if it spooled any sooner.

Matt

waiting for a new camera... i only got the print-out, but they might have it saved. im about to see if they can Email it to me..... spool is roughly the same.

[AForVillard]

oh, you have Jeff's old car?

lol yep. Made some improvement since he's seen it. s4 bumper, carbon fiber hood, 3"downpipe, apikol throttlebody hose, (motor, transmission and rear diff mounts), greddy EBC, heatwrapped turbo and downpipe, and brembo 4 pistons up front. Now just waiting on some $$$$ for a decent tune lol.

[4inchMAF]

http://i148.photobucket.com/albums/s29/SETSEROCK/new.jpg

[AForVillard]

Those are some good #'s! You're power curve looks nice and smooth. still on stock rods?

[Don Supreme]

Very nice.

What exhaust housing? .48 or .63?

[4inchMAF]

Thanks!!! its a .63 the lines are SOOOO smooth compared with that kinetic turbo!!!

[seanriv]

When do you hit peak boost? Stock rods?

[4inchMAF]

When do you hit peak boost? Stock rods?

itll hit 10 PSI by 3K. 20 PSI is at about 3700 or 3800. 25 PSI by 4200.

yes stock rods still. i keep it around 17 PSI dialy though, and i rarely get on it (just to shame the occasional EVO or Honda). rods will be done this summer.

[solowb5]

Get a set of scatt rods and put oem audi tt pistons in. Not the pussy 180hp one. Oh ya reason for is they are 9.0:1 instead of 9.5:1. You will be alot safer with that bc that 9.5 is used for the tiny snails. You may loose, not gain, or gain power from them, but they keep it safe. You'll also may loose a little spool time. Hardly noticeable. Fix that by adding 1mm o/s valves :)

[20vpower]

Ive been trying to find someone parting amu block for a while just to get the pistons out. Still need money for the tune tho, it sucks not being able to push the setup... damn economy...
Nice numbers with that garrett tho, im envying you more and more lol

[seanriv]

Those are great spool times. The 50trim .63 ar is the best turbo for the price and power!

[4inchMAF]

You'll also may loose a little spool time. Hardly noticeable. Fix that by adding 1mm o/s valves :)

is there much/any machining that needs to be done to the head to except OS valves?

[sean1.8t]

^no.

and don't listen to the other guys. just keep your stock pistons. 9.5 CR is perfectly fine

[njm23]

^no.

and don't listen to the other guys. just keep your stock pistons. 9.5 CR is perfectly fine

x2, dougyfresh runs 9.5:1 compression ratio I believe on his built 2.0L and runs like 26psi on pump and made good numbers on a 28 turbo

[sean1.8t]

x2, dougyfresh runs 9.5:1 compression ratio I believe on his built 2.0L and runs like 26psi on pump and made good numbers on a 28 turbo

correct. higher CR just means you need to run a little bit less timing. but you can still run a good amount of boost. and your car is a bit more responsive off boost

[michael66899]

x2, dougyfresh runs 9.5:1 compression ratio I believe on his built 2.0L and runs like 26psi on pump and made good numbers on a 28 turbo

I too think 9.5 is fine, it all comes down to the tune and not going to crazy with the timing due to the increased cylinder pressures. I've always told myself I'd stick with stock CR because our motors are so damn small, I'd rather have a little more kick to get that turbo spooled and off idle power. Also when putting in a 2L crank I was sure you had to put in different pistons due to the increased stroke correct? You make it sound like he used stock pistons but I thought that wasn't possible.

[sean1.8t]

I too think 9.5 is fine, it all comes down to the tune and not going to crazy with the timing due to the increased cylinder pressures. I've always told myself I'd stick with stock CR because our motors are so damn small, I'd rather have a little more kick to get that turbo spooled and off idle power. Also when putting in a 2L crank I was sure you had to put in different pistons due to the increased stroke correct? You make it sound like he used stock pistons but I thought that wasn't possible.

you are right in your thinking. you can't use stock pistons with a 2L crank. otherwise it will look like this pic... but dougy used custom Supertech 2L pistons.

http://i50.photobucket.com/albums/f322/redrider629/Motor%20Build/100_1338.jpg

[AForVillard]

[QUOTE=4inchMAF;3651834]itll hit 10 PSI by 3K. 20 PSI is at about 3700 or 3800. 25 PSI by 4200.

This sounds a lot like my turbo... I'm running an identical setup (minus the tune) I wonder if my turbo is a .63? Is there anyway to tell?

[20vpower]

it should be stamped on the turbine housing

[volfan98]

[QUOTE=4inchMAF;3651834]itll hit 10 PSI by 3K. 20 PSI is at about 3700 or 3800. 25 PSI by 4200.

This sounds a lot like my turbo... I'm running an identical setup (minus the tune) I wonder if my turbo is a .63? Is there anyway to tell?

If you overlay your graphs they match up pretty well, but he holds his top end much better than you.

Matt

[michael66899]

Ok thats what I thought just checking.

[4inchMAF]

the CR ratio doesnt bother me as i dont run excessive boost on the daily.... i was just asking if installing 1mm OS valves requires, say, a mm of material to be removed...not that i have any intentions of doing this, just curious if you can just install OS valves in a stock head.

[4inchMAF]

My wideband gauge is dead and i have no vagcom. does anyone know roughly at what AWHP the 440s will max out at and start leaning way out (or have a super high duty cycle?). i run about 16 PSI daily and everything has been fine, just want to figure out if i can raise it to 18ish and be fine....but i just dont have the logging capabilities right now to know for sure, so if i raised it another 2 PSI, i would be doing so blindly.

[solowb5]

If they are green tops their rpm stability sucks on assholes for a living. Get the black with blue ringed necked 440s. If you raise it that much it isn't going to lean you out on a 50 trim. 440 is typically good for 350. The 630cc are tons better. Alot nicer spray pattern. What sensor do you need for the wideband? I know I have a few.

[bernB5]

If they are green tops their rpm stability sucks on assholes for a living. Get the black with blue ringed necked 440s. If you raise it that much it isn't going to lean you out on a 50 trim. 440 is typically good for 350. The 630cc are tons better. Alot nicer spray pattern. What sensor do you need for the wideband? I know I have a few.

going way back here, but when i had my gti, on oldschool revo bt software, running 440 green tops and a 3071r at 25psi, my a/f was 12.1 across the board and not leaning out, I believe I was running a 4 bar base fpr though.

I also ran a 50 trim .48 to 25psi with no fueling problems on the 440's. So at 18psi, you will be fine.

[4inchMAF]

going way back here, but when i had my gti, on oldschool revo bt software, running 440 green tops and a 3071r at 25psi, my a/f was 12.1 across the board and not leaning out, I believe I was running a 4 bar base fpr though.

I also ran a 50 trim .48 to 25psi with no fueling problems on the 440's. So at 18psi, you will be fine.


LOL i had a GTI with Revo's 440 file and green tops too.

anyways... your setup at 4 bar was alot more fuel though. it was at 4 bar i did the 356AWHP dyno run with. but this Uni file can only really run with a 3 bar (it runs like hell at 4 bar. it was written for a 3 bar after all [;)] )

I wish they would finish this 630 AEB file theyre always talking about [mad]

and solob5. i have a set of Delphi 440s in. i would never run Green Tops again (thats, like, so 2005)

[solowb5]

lol