Does anyone make a built bottom end for the Audi 2.0T ?

[Slo.Mo.Shun.]

My friend just blew the motor ( A rod and 3 holes on the block ) after a 400+ WHP and 500+ WTQ Dyno run.

He is going to rebuild, but he needs a stronger block.

Any suggestions ?

[briboy9989]

My friend just blew the motor ( A rod and 3 holes on the block ) after a 400+ WHP and 500+ WTQ Dyno run.

He is going to rebuild, but he needs a stronger block.

Any suggestions ?

400 WHP and 500 WTQ on what tranny?

[bcramer]

And on what dyno?

[agorich]

no words?

[jimmya4]

how do you get a 400whp out of a 2.0t? twin turbo or something...

[CoreyRandmetz]

how do you get a 400whp out of a 2.0t? twin turbo or something...

lol.....no but a bigger turbo helps.

[eastwick897]

I don't think they make a built bottom end for the 2.0T yet. I could be wrong though I haven't found one yet.

[CZA420tAvant]

Check dahlback, I know they have built alot of sick 4 and 5 cylinder motors with sick amounts of BHP

[bcramer]

Check dahlback, I know they have built alot of sick 4 and 5 cylinder motors with sick amounts of BHP

I would kill to own the black golf they built.

[CZA420tAvant]

^

http://i20.photobucket.com/albums/b230/altichrisse01/pic1.jpg

[phantom b6]

You sure it was a CVT? If it really was I'm going to be all sorts of excited.

[Nico]

how do you get a 400whp out of a 2.0t? twin turbo or something...

nitrous

[Slo.Mo.Shun.]

Im CVT, IhOEM Is Mt, and the car that blew the motor is MT as well. The run was preformed on a Dynomite Dyno, It was just calibrated recently and all the previous readings for the other cars where right on the money.

His tranny was already rebuilt once ( Snapped an axle ), and he has all custom solid mounts ( Snub & motor ( 90% durometer ) Tranny ( Solid metal )).

This accident/experiment involved C16, lots of boost, leanish mixtures, a 75 shot of spray, water/meth, and some timing advance.

Here is the car in question. Top Dog at H2o.

http://i440.photobucket.com/albums/qq128/HID_2008_H2o/IMG_4408.jpg

[Sharkfin]

Im CVT, IhOEM Is Mt, and the car that blew the motor is MT as well. The run was preformed on a Dynomite Dyno, It was just calibrated recently and all the previous readings for the other cars where right on the money.

His tranny was already rebuilt once ( Snapped an axle ), and he has all custom solid mounts ( Snub & motor ( 90% durometer ) Tranny ( Solid metal )).

This accident/experiment involved C16, lots of boost, leanish mixtures, a 75 shot of spray, water/meth, and some timing advance.

Here is the car in question. Top Dog at H2o.

http://i440.photobucket.com/albums/qq128/HID_2008_H2o/IMG_4408.jpg

Is he a member on here?

[Slo.Mo.Shun.]

Not really, will be soon though. He is doing some R&D for the good stuff for the B7 A4, and is planing to sell it here as soon as his site is up and running.

[Sharkfin]

Gotcha, wanna spill the juice on what he's working on?

[Slo.Mo.Shun.]

Well, pretty soon you will be able to buy a full silicone hose kits for the A4, incredible mounts, really simple water/meth kits, and other goodies soon to come.

But the mounts, the freaking mounts = SEX

Ps. Did I mention Nitrous ?

[CoreyRandmetz]

car is gorgeous

[Raymax_2.0t]

Well, pretty soon you will be able to buy a full silicone hose kits for the A4, incredible mounts, really simple water/meth kits, and other goodies soon to come.

But the mounts, the freaking mounts = SEX

Ps. Did I mention Nitrous ?


[hail][hail]

Sweet!

[eastwick897]

Im CVT, IhOEM Is Mt, and the car that blew the motor is MT as well. The run was preformed on a Dynomite Dyno, It was just calibrated recently and all the previous readings for the other cars where right on the money.

His tranny was already rebuilt once ( Snapped an axle ), and he has all custom solid mounts ( Snub & motor ( 90% durometer ) Tranny ( Solid metal )).

This accident/experiment involved C16, lots of boost, leanish mixtures, a 75 shot of spray, water/meth, and some timing advance.

Here is the car in question. Top Dog at H2o.

http://i440.photobucket.com/albums/qq128/HID_2008_H2o/IMG_4408.jpg


I remember this car he has the hood and water/meth system i am getting... Car is amazing in person.

[Geoffafa]

what to say what to say lol
poor adam, his car doesnt want to go tofixxfest does it? lol two years now...

but yeah i can attest that he will be making some crazy shit for the b7's including probably being the first built...

the car did make around 400 wheel with nitrous and c16 race gas, and a little to lean of a setting as we can tell...
pretty much what HID said is correct
oh hey vic BTW... expect me in the mid 13's home boy... no nitrous ;)

P.S: R.I.P. 10-4-08 an expected end to a roughly treated motor lol

[cstarky15]

I was just looking for some hoses for our cars!!! I can't wait for him to bring this to the market! car looks sweet!

[Auditude2.0T]

stock turbo???

[redlabel81]

400WHP on stock turbo.......That will be the day...

[Auditude2.0T]

with a75 shot c16 and a timing advanced with high boost 400whp doesn't sound unrechable on a stock turbo

[Slo.Mo.Shun.]

what to say what to say lol
poor adam, his car doesnt want to go tofixxfest does it? lol two years now...

but yeah i can attest that he will be making some crazy shit for the b7's including probably being the first built...

the car did make around 400 wheel with nitrous and c16 race gas, and a little to lean of a setting as we can tell...
pretty much what HID said is correct
oh hey vic BTW... expect me in the mid 13's home boy... no nitrous ;)

P.S: R.I.P. 10-4-08 an expected end to a roughly treated motor lol

WOTBOX

[slimmj0k3r]

i need a bottom end as well. if you find anything LMK

[DOBERMAN@UA]

My friend just blew the motor ( A rod and 3 holes on the block ) after a 400+ WHP and 500+ WTQ Dyno run.

He is going to rebuild, but he needs a stronger block.

Any suggestions ?

It could help http://forums.vwvortex.com/zerothread?id=3601844&page=1[wrench]

[slimmj0k3r]

It could help http://forums.vwvortex.com/zerothread?id=3601844&page=1[wrench]

but its always good to have a backup =) I've already began to build my block but im just prepping for the worst so i just have a spare stock block just incasee

[DOBERMAN@UA]

but its always good to have a backup =) I've already began to build my block but im just prepping for the worst so i just have a spare stock block just incasee

What rods and pistons are you going to use?

[slimmj0k3r]

Scat rods, JE forged Pistons stock bore. my build up thread is coming up in a couple days that will have everything i'm going with

[DOBERMAN@UA]

Scat rods, JE forged Pistons stock bore. my build up thread is coming up in a couple days that will have everything i'm going with

Great, it would be intresting

[slimmj0k3r]

just to update you guys, my parts dept sells a stock long block for about $4500 with a $2000 core. GMG racing has built short and long blocks but not sure how much they are and if they fit our chasis. I'm still just looking for a short block, even though a long block would be nice but its really not necessary

gonna call GMG around lunch time.

[Geoffafa]

WOTBOX

sshhhhhhhh.......



with a75 shot c16 and a timing advanced with high boost 400whp doesn't sound unrechable on a stock turbo

no it is VERY reachable.... so reachable infact that we reached it, then the pistion reached the oil pan[headbang]

[dougyfresh]

just to update you guys, my parts dept sells a stock long block for about $4500 with a $2000 core. GMG racing has built short and long blocks but not sure how much they are and if they fit our chasis. I'm still just looking for a short block, even though a long block would be nice but its really not necessary

gonna call GMG around lunch time.

You'll pay out the ass for a GMG or Eurospec motor. Not worth it.

Talk to BobQ (QEDpower.com (http://www.qedpower.com/)). He builds up 2.0T FSI engines as well as 1.8T engines and is only about 3hours away from NJ up in RI. He has pistons made through Supertech for the FSI motor. He is also getting cams made through Cat Cams for the FSI configuration. Any 144mm connecting rod will work (Scat, Pauters, etc..). The 2.0T bottom end is the same as the 1.8 except for the giant harmonic balancer that resides near the crank in the crankcase. The 2.0 FSI is just an 82.5mm bore with 92.8mm stroke (exactly what my 2.0L stroker is running and it originated as a 1.8L).

It is really not that difficult a task. 1.8s are built all the time and this is no different. There's a bunch of guys on vortex running built 2.0FSI motors.

[slimmj0k3r]

thanks for the info dougy [up]

[CoreyRandmetz]

You'll pay out the ass for a GMG or Eurospec motor. Not worth it.

Talk to BobQ (QEDpower.com (http://www.qedpower.com/)). He builds up 2.0T FSI engines as well as 1.8T engines and is only about 3hours away from NJ up in RI. He has pistons made through Supertech for the FSI motor. He is also getting cams made through Cat Cams for the FSI configuration. Any 144mm connecting rod will work (Scat, Pauters, etc..). The 2.0T bottom end is the same as the 1.8 except for the giant harmonic balancer that resides near the crank in the crankcase. The 2.0 FSI is just an 82.5mm bore with 92.8mm stroke (exactly what my 2.0L stroker is running and it originated as a 1.8L).

It is really not that difficult a task. 1.8s are built all the time and this is no different. There's a bunch of guys on vortex running built 2.0FSI motors.




where about in RI is he located...first I have ever heard of him but his website makes him seem very knowledgeable.

[Bauer]

My friend just blew the motor ( A rod and 3 holes on the block ) after a 400+ WHP and 500+ WTQ Dyno run.

He is going to rebuild, but he needs a stronger block.

Any suggestions ?

shocker....would like to see a dyno sheet.

He is going to have issues finding a block that will handle that.

[Bauer]

You'll pay out the ass for a GMG or Eurospec motor. Not worth it.

Talk to BobQ (QEDpower.com (http://www.qedpower.com/)). He builds up 2.0T FSI engines as well as 1.8T engines and is only about 3hours away from NJ up in RI. He has pistons made through Supertech for the FSI motor. He is also getting cams made through Cat Cams for the FSI configuration. Any 144mm connecting rod will work (Scat, Pauters, etc..). The 2.0T bottom end is the same as the 1.8 except for the giant harmonic balancer that resides near the crank in the crankcase. The 2.0 FSI is just an 82.5mm bore with 92.8mm stroke (exactly what my 2.0L stroker is running and it originated as a 1.8L).

It is really not that difficult a task. 1.8s are built all the time and this is no different. There's a bunch of guys on vortex running built 2.0FSI motors.

Um the block is not the same as the 1.8t.

[dougyfresh]

Um the block is not the same as the 1.8t.

The block is very similar and a different casting than the 1.8s. The fundamentals are the same. Still doesn't mean you can not build it with forged parts.






where about in RI is he located...first I have ever heard of him but his website makes him seem very knowledgeable.

Coventry. He's been building Audi / VW engines for years. Used to build race engines for a company. Then got out of it and does 1.8 and 2.0 builds on the side while teaching during the day. THE guy to go to for these engines.

[Bauer]

The block is very similar and a different casting than the 1.8s. The fundamentals are the same. Still doesn't mean you can not build it with forged parts.

You said block not internals and the 2.0 block is not nearly as strong as the 1.8 block. When you say fundamentals...yes they both are 4 cylinder and have bearings and such but they are two different blocks. Internals are very important to building up the motor but if the casing that holds it all together is not up to the task then you will be limited by the strength of the stock block.

[slimmj0k3r]

shocker....would like to see a dyno sheet.

He is going to have issues finding a block that will handle that.

not really. the fastest vw 2.0FSI VW is putting down 452whp with a built motor, same block as us. If you want that type of power IMO its best you build the block first

[Bauer]

not really. the fastest vw 2.0FSI VW is putting down 452whp with a built motor, same block as us. If you want that type of power IMO its best you build the block first


lets see how long that block lasts and that would be FWD wheel HP (on VW) not AWD wheel HP which is quite a bit more at the crank.

[dougyfresh]

You said block not internals and the 2.0 block is not nearly as strong as the 1.8 block. When you say fundamentals...yes they both are 4 cylinder and have bearings and such but they are two different blocks. Internals are very important to building up the motor but if the casing that holds it all together is not up to the task then you will be limited by the strength of the stock block.

I never used the word 'block'. Go back and read post # 35. I said 'bottom end' which is referring to the rotating assembly.

In post #40, replying to you, I did use the word 'block' but not in the regard you are claiming me to have said it in.

I have not heard that the 2.0 FSI block is 'weaker' than the 1.8 block. If it truely is, then that is news to me but there are people pushing quite a bit of power out of them with no problems to date. I don't see 400awhp being a problem for that casting.


Oh, to the OP. The ASP Garrett 30series turbo upgrade package is almost done. I spoke to Mark today.

[Bauer]

I never used the word 'block'. Go back and read post # 35. I said 'bottom end' which is referring to the rotating assembly.

In post #40, replying to you, I did use the word 'block' but not in the regard you are claiming me to have said it in.

I have not heard that the 2.0 FSI block is 'weaker' than the 1.8 block. If it truely is, then that is news to me but there are people pushing quite a bit of power out of them with no problems to date. I don't see 400awhp being a problem for that casting.


Oh, to the OP. The ASP Garrett 30series turbo upgrade package is almost done. I spoke to Mark today.

Fair enough on the bottom end / block symatics....but at the end of the day the casing has to be strong enough to handle what it is putting out. I just don't want to see people get into trouble when tuners say they know how strong something is when in reality they are making a pure guess. People do not freely share real and true information to everyone because there is a competitive advantage not to. Let you competitor figure it out while they blow up motors and piss customers off.

Most tuners in the US and most in Europe don't have the real data on these blocks and how, where and why they fail. There are companies that do that type of testing for the automotive manufactures in the world. They run these motors in all sorts of conditions in sealed dyno cells and see where they fail....they blow up countless motors to find where the weak spots are and then give that data back to the manufacture so they can decide what final power output they want to use, if there are things they need to redesign and so fourth. That is where the real information is....not with a tuner that says...it can handle it. I only say this because I want the consumer to be protected as much as possible.

[dougyfresh]

Fair enough on the bottom end / block symatics....but at the end of the day the casing has to be strong enough to handle what it is putting out. I just don't want to see people get into trouble when tuners say they know how strong something is when in reality they are making a pure guess. People do not freely share real and true information to everyone because there is a competitive advantage not to. Let you competitor figure it out while they blow up motors and piss customers off.

Most tuners in the US and most in Europe don't have the real data on these blocks and how, where and why they fail. There are companies that do that type of testing for the automotive manufactures in the world. They run these motors in all sorts of conditions in sealed dyno cells and see where they fail....they blow up countless motors to find where the weak spots are and then give that data back to the manufacture so they can decide what final power output they want to use, if there are things they need to redesign and so fourth. That is where the real information is....not with a tuner that says...it can handle it. I only say this because I want the consumer to be protected as much as possible.


Fair enough. I completely agree.

Having said that, do you have any info as to the differences between the 06a casting block (1.8) and the ?08a? casting block (2.0 FSI)? Are the wall thicknesses different in the cylinders and/or crankcase?


EDIT... I just found this.
http://www.germanmods.com/MKV/20vfsi.JPG
From that limited data it suggests the cylinders are the same in regards to wall thicknesses. I wonder what the crankcase is like. That is all assuming they have the same quality casting yield as the 06a block (1.8) and the casting requirements are the same (if not higher/better) than the 1.8 block due to the FSI's higher cylinder pressures.

[redlabel81]

[/QUOTE]
no it is VERY reachable.... so reachable infact that we reached it, then the pistion reached the oil pan[headbang][/QUOTE]

That's insane! :)[up]