BT/BAT guys-- would you do it again?

[Kyle H]

I've noticed a couple of guys who are BT or BAT over the past couple of weeks/months saying that they don't know if it was worth the time and money, 1, because of reliability problems, or 2, because they never get to fully use the power unless they pay for a track day.


So I ask you guys who are BT, do you think it was worth the $5k+ for that extra power? if you could do it all over again, what would you do differently?

[drive][drive][drive][drive][wrench][wrench]

[AudiA4_20T]

After driving in a BAT, its so worth it lol

to be honest, I think getting a spare motor and working on that makes the difference, so slowly but surely you have it all done

[Don Supreme]

I've noticed a couple of guys who are BT or BAT over the past couple of weeks/months saying that they don't know if it was worth the time and money, 1, because of reliability problems, or 2, because they never get to fully use the power unless they pay for a track day.


So I ask you guys who are BT, do you think it was worth the $5k+ for that extra power? if you could do it all over again, what would you do differently?

[drive][drive][drive][drive][wrench][wrench]


Track day? I used to squeeze that shit every morning on the on ramp ..... 100 MPH comes up real fast,

[Avant1.8BT]

so worth it. make sure you go big right away. i wish i did a 30r to begin with, but i love my elim set up, still makes the car move pretty good.

[goody6691]

hell yeah.........only, i would do it right the first time

[bassed]

Have you seen my videos? I was enamored with my BT and am more than so with my BAT. Reliability? Yeah some people had problems. I had problems with manifolds, until the SPA piece came out and I've been Daily Driving it now for the better part of 7 months and have over 8k on this setup. I got a base tune file and drove 500 miles for custom tuning with no issue, I then drove to Georgia from Pa 3 weeks after that for a lovely 1200 mile trip.

If I was to do it over again with all I've learned I would:
1) Buy a spare motor (complete)
2) Buy all parts slowly, but keep the list the same
3) Build it myself and have a machine shop locally do overbore etc...

[Poopie]

i am in the process of doing it again

[bassed]

i am in the process of doing it again
Not by choice though, random accident kinda sparked this[;)]

[JumboBlack1.8]

I'd do it again, but only if I did it differently.....i started building before I had all the parts together.

WHEN/if i do it again (ie, go bigger).....i'm definitely buying a spare motor

[Don Supreme]

I have a AEB short block if anyone is interested.....

[mike-2ptzero]

I have done it a few times and dont regret it at all. Plan on going even bigger once I can afford it.

[bassed]

I have done it a few times and dont regret it at all. Plan on going even bigger once I can afford it.

The age old problem $$.

[quattro16]

Well For A Daily Driver I Couldn't Do It Here On Long Island. I Don't Know How Some People Do. I Think I Would Go For A Stage 3 S4 Next Time Round.

[Nebone]

Well For A Daily Driver I Couldn't Do It Here On Long Island. I Don't Know How Some People Do. I Think I Would Go For A Stage 3 S4 Next Time Round.

Why does location matter? Last time I was on Long Island there was a Camaro in traffic next to me that could barely keep its slicks from spinning out. I've seen many fast cars there.

[dougyfresh]

I love mine. Its 100% reliable. I've got over 5000miles on the new engine and set-up and it works fine. I had 5,000miles on the old set-up and that worked fine. I rev it up to high RPMs every time I drive it.

My Avant is built to drive and I use it to travel everywhere. Shit, I installed my Cat Cams and without any testing I just hopped in the car and drove 8hours up to Maine and back (with logging of course). No problems.

If I were do it again I'd build the head to rev it up to 8500-9000 and I'd also put a 35R on the motor.

[Don Supreme]

I love mine. Its 100% reliable. I've got over 5000miles on the new engine and set-up and it works fine. I had 5,000miles on the old set-up and that worked fine. I rev it up to high RPMs every time I drive it.

My Avant is built to drive and I use it to travel everywhere. Shit, I installed my Cat Cams and without any testing I just hopped in the car and drove 8hours up to Maine and back (with logging of course). No problems.

If I were do it again I'd build the head to rev it up to 8500-9000 and I'd also put a 35R on the motor.

REALLY DOUG? You seemed quite certain the 2871 was as big as you wanted to go.

[pipe7284]

HELL YEAH!!!!!

[SurferForever]

I would totally do it again, although i would have gone about it completely different from the beginning . . . Bigger, Stronger, FASTER ! ! !

[1fstavant]

would do it again but at the same time wouldnt, for the money a bike woulda been a much better choice, condsidering i spent so much money just to have to buy another car now for the winter...
however, if i had to i would do it again, but bigger....everytime i get on it, bike idea seems silly

[Militant-Grunt]

Well For A Daily Driver I Couldn't Do It Here On Long Island. I Don't Know How Some People Do. I Think I Would Go For A Stage 3 S4 Next Time Round.

I go to school in long island, I wont mind the extra MPG getting to and from there.

[317ssayzarc]

id do it again for sure, but if i were to do it over id do many many many things different... too many things to list here but heres a couple... bought an 06A block'd car, built the motor and broke it in on stock turbo/tune, standalone from the get go, bought a shittier car to start with, straight to a 35r, ect

[1fstavant]

+1 for the shittier car...spetn way too much on my car from the goo

[Nebone]

If I had it my way, I'd build the motor and test/break it in outside the car.

[Kyle H]

Hahaha aww man, I actually made this thread to try and convince myself that a BAT would be too much trouble and not worth it, you sure killed that thought.

It looks like anything below 3071r I'd want to do it over again.... Those student loans sure are tempting right about now! [:D]

[Poopie]

Hahaha aww man, I actually made this thread to try and convince myself that a BAT would be too much trouble and not worth it, you sure killed that thought.

It looks like anything below 3071r I'd want to do it over again.... Those student loans sure are tempting right about now! [:D]

if you have to use a loan to build a car you are in trouble. If you can't afford it, stay away. No use digging a hole just for a car that will lose its value pretty damn quick.

[Don Supreme]

^ Probably...

The other issue here is Audi guys are stuck on bigger turbos. They don't realize the diminishing returns due to the engine itself not being optimized to flow the air from larger turbos.

I will use myself as an example...

Gt35r on a stock small port head... Yes the car was fast, but I could always tell the turbo was choked up, not able to spin freely and flow air.

I knew from the get go that the small port head was not going to do the trick, but it was a money issue and now I am in the process of addressing that.

If 2871r & 3071r guys spent another $3gs on a bad ass intake manifold, cams, and head work (and tune), then I think they would put out at least another 50 - 60 more WHP than they typically do.

[Kyle H]

if you have to use a loan to build a car you are in trouble. If you can't afford it, stay away. No use digging a hole just for a car that will lose its value pretty damn quick.

yeah that's what my logical side is telling me. At least this lack of money is forcing me to do my research before I build/buy.

This whole full-time student part time working thing is a real bummer!

[Don Supreme]

If you did it right the first time:

Budget:
5k for high 12s
7k-10K for low 12s - low 11s.

[Kyle H]

If you did it right the first time:

Budget:
5k for high 12s
7k-10K for low 12s - low 11s.

Here's the budget i just put together in excel...

gt3071....................1100
spa manifold.............460
wastegate...............230
630cc injectors.........260
tune.....................~800
3" catback...............750
hfc.........................250
fmic........................900
scat rods.................400
walbro 255...............100
a/f gauge................ 200
ebc.........................100
misc.......................~600

for a grand total of ~6200 + tax and shipping.

the way I see it, the supporting mods are pretty much the same for everything from a 28rs to a 3076. The 3071 seems like my favorite because it can make some pretty good power with just rods, and down the road I can go 2L, build the head, get a high flow intake mani, go with meth injection and I wont completely max out the turbo like I would with a 28rs or 2871 (or maybe I would).

[Poopie]

don't forget clutch.

MISC tools and bits of hardware will add upward to $500 really fast as well.

[Kyle H]

don't forget clutch.

MISC tools and bits of hardware will add upward to $500 really fast as well.

yeah I have a sb stg 3 right now which I figured would hold up to the power as long as I didn't launch it (I don't like drag racing anyways).

I'll add an extra ~600 for misc junk in there.

[Poopie]

you'll definitely want to step up to at least a stage 4 clutch while you have the motor out.

you'll also need to do the "well...since i have this part off i might as well upgrade" estimation too.

[Nebone]

Finances 101

First $5k takes of 3 seconds off your 1/4 time.

Second $5k takes off an additional 1 second off your 1/4 time.

MOAR POWA addiction is Priceless (as in price is unknown and better not sum it all up or you'll throw up a lil)

[Kyle H]

you'll definitely want to step up to at least a stage 4 clutch while you have the motor out.

you'll also need to do the "well...since i have this part off i might as well upgrade" estimation too.
come on poopie, you're crushing my dreams here!

(jk, it's nice to get a realistic view on what a BAT build really takes)



Finances 101

First $5k takes of 3 seconds off your 1/4 time.

Second $5k takes off an additional 1 second off your 1/4 time.

MOAR POWA addiction is Priceless (as in price is unknown and better not sum it all up or you'll throw up a lil)

lol!

[Russell2686]

Id do it again for sure, i'm happy with my gt28rs and have 0 reliability issues. But i also didn't piece it together and i don't have an off the shelf tune so that helps also.

Second on what poopie said, if you don't have the money to do it then id hold off until you can handle it.
The only reason i wouldn't do it again is i hate spending money...until i get in it and go WOT of course.

[Don Supreme]

Here's the budget i just put together in excel...

gt3071....................1100
spa manifold.............460
wastegate...............230
630cc injectors.........260
tune.....................~800
3" catback...............750
hfc.........................250
fmic........................900
scat rods.................400
walbro 255...............100
a/f gauge................ 200
ebc.........................100
misc.......................~600

for a grand total of ~6200 + tax and shipping.

the way I see it, the supporting mods are pretty much the same for everything from a 28rs to a 3076. The 3071 seems like my favorite because it can make some pretty good power with just rods, and down the road I can go 2L, build the head, get a high flow intake mani, go with meth injection and I wont completely max out the turbo like I would with a 28rs or 2871 (or maybe I would).


You need a good clutch / flywheel setup
Price EBC and AFR is way off especially EBC

Also you probably need to make that misc closer to $1500.

I don't see any internal engine parts besides rods. What about:
Rod bearings
Main bearings
new piston rings
main bolts
..............
I see no tools and no labor charges. If you are doing it yourself then you need some decent tools.

P.S. The best time I know of with a 3071 on a b5 is 11.9 @ 115 (IIRC) (probably on c16)

[Poopie]

BAT is worth every penny. I drive my car everyday and love it. I don't really have hesitation to spend money...but its not worth going into debt. Save up those pennies. One day you'll get there. Another option is to pick up used pieces as you go along and collect what you need as you have the money.

[Don Supreme]

Try to have every part or the money to spare before you touch the car... I have been dropping money like water since I started my rebuild....... no wonder these projects take 6+ months.

[Nebone]

Plus now and later is good timing to do this since it's all layed out for you and parts are available just a click away.

[Kyle H]

Thanks for all of your input and advice guys.

updated list
gt3071....................1100
spa manifold.............460
wastegate...............230
630cc injectors.........260
tune.....................~800
3" catback...............750
hfc.........................250
fmic........................900
scat rods.................400
Calico Rod Bearings....80
main bearings............60
piston rings..............150
main bolts................20
walbro 255...............100
innovative xd-16...... 400
greddy profec-b........400
misc....................~1500
sb stg 4 clutch.........600

total of ~7100

This is sounding about right. I have a lot of tools (enough to take apart the front end/suspension/brakes/transmission) but I think there are some special ones that I'd need to take apart the head.

What is the price of the 630cc tune from ctapp? What kind of MAF does that file require (and how much do they run)?.

[Poopie]

Thanks for all of your input and advice guys.

updated list
gt3071....................1100
spa manifold.............460
wastegate...............230
630cc injectors.........260
tune.....................~800
3" catback...............750
hfc.........................250
fmic........................900
scat rods.................400
Calico Rod Bearings....80
main bearings............60
piston rings..............150
main bolts................20
walbro 255...............100
innovative xd-16...... 400
greddy profec-b........400
misc....................~1500
sb stg 4 clutch.........600

total of ~7100

This is sounding about right. I have a lot of tools (enough to take apart the front end/suspension/brakes/transmission) but I think there are some special ones that I'd need to take apart the head.

What is the price of the 630cc tune from ctapp? What kind of MAF does that file require (and how much do they run)?.

ctapp with race gas is 800 or 700 for just pump. A new ford maf is about $120 online. Don't go refurbished or recalibrated. they are junk

[Kyle H]

Awesome.


This is the first actually accurate price list I've made so far. Thanks for your help. [up]

[UN-PIMP-Z-A4]

I wish i didnt and traded the car for a newer bigger car from jump...
I love my bt setup dont get me wrong however the resale value for what goes into my car really sux...
Reliability isn't an issue it's just the part of not getting your money back for wat you invest.

[bassed]

Awesome.


This is the first actually accurate price list I've made so far. Thanks for your help. [up]
You have a 2001 IIRC, so MAFless is possible for you to go with also. (UNIUNIUNIUNIUNI)

[Kyle H]

I wish i didnt and traded the car for a newer bigger car from jump...
I love my bt setup dont get me wrong however the resale value for what goes into my car really sux...
Reliability isn't an issue it's just the part of not getting your money back for wat you invest.

Yeah that is a big downside. I plan on driving this car until it can't drive anymore, then turning it into a track car, so I think it'll work out.

[Kyle H]

You have a 2001 IIRC, so MAFless is possible for you to go with also. (UNIUNIUNIUNIUNI)

1998.5. [down][down][down][down]


AEB head. [up][up][up][up]

[drive]

[Don Supreme]

Its not an investment........
Just like a $2000 trip to an all inclusive resort in the Caribbean, what do you have to show for it, some memories and a few photos...

Its life man, live it.

P.S. Don't start your project until you have $8k set aside to spend on it.

[JumboBlack1.8]

expect the unexpected......something will go wrong along the way....so add a bit more to that estimate.....Thats the only regret I have....I didn't have enough money to get everything right the first time....then shit went wrong, and now I'm at the point that I want to sell it when I DO finally finish...

[bassed]

expect the unexpected......something will go wrong along the way....so add a bit more to that estimate.....Thats the only regret I have....I didn't have enough money to get everything right the first time....then shit went wrong, and now I'm at the point that I want to sell it when I DO finally finish...

That's part of the fun, if it was easy you would not get the same amount of reward out of it.

[Pete@IE]

Where are you getting a 30r for $1100?

[Russell2686]

total of ~7100



That's where the crave for a ton of power bites you in the ass. My set up wasn't near that but i am also far from BAT and do not have a built motor. I wouldn't be able to get my self to shove out that kind of cash.

But for real this sums it up perfect:

Its not an investment........
Just like a $2000 trip to an all inclusive resort in the Caribbean, what do you have to show for it, some memories and a few photos...

Its life man, live it.

[biketsai]

I spent no where near $5000, maybe half of that for my setup. Did alot of DIY stuff to save money as well. I dont regret it at all. You dont need a track day to use up the turbo, i am not even close to being bored with this yet.

[Poopie]

Where are you getting a 30r for $1100?

I bought mine for about that brand new through my cousin

[1fstavant]

shit is expensive, but in order to play you have to pay! it is worth it but like stated above, you either need a close track, or you really take a chance on the streets when a bt or bat starts becoming fun... in this video im shifting into 4th at only 17lbs
http://i197.photobucket.com/albums/aa87/jbardu87/th_0917081028.jpg (http://s197.photobucket.com/albums/aa87/jbardu87/?action=view&current=0917081028.flv)

however as long as cops dont see you shit is money

[djwimbo]

updated list
gt3071....................1100
spa manifold.............460
wastegate...............230
630cc injectors.........260
tune.....................~800
3" catback...............750
hfc.........................250
fmic........................900
scat rods.................400
Calico Rod Bearings....80
main bearings............60
piston rings..............150
main bolts................20
walbro 255...............100
innovative xd-16...... 400
greddy profec-b........400
misc....................~1500
sb stg 4 clutch.........600

total of ~7100


Don't forget a downpipe, head bolts, fluids .. those might fit into the "misc" area though.

as far as regret? I regret spending the first $5K to get where I am today, and I'm not even BT/BAT.

As is, paying for track days is totally worth it though. I don't care if I got passed by Mini's, Vettes or a GT3 RS, I had an absolute blast.

[Kyle H]

Where are you getting a 30r for $1100?

Whoops, it's 1150 not 1100.
http://shop.dthaus.com/product.sc?categoryId=21&productId=45


I don't think I'll regret spending the cash... last summer (before senior year in highschool) I worked all summer and spent everything on my suspension and didn't even think twice. I think I <3 my car too much...

Sooo time to update my sig for a BAT Fund. [:D]

[AudiA4_20T]

Here's the budget i just put together in excel...

scat rods.................400



IS that your engine build plan? Plan to spend $1000 to just do rods.

Rods, Rod bearings, main bearings (your call, but if you do them, you need thrust washers, crank bolt, and main bolts), front main, rear main, ring set, ring filer, oil pan sealant, timing belt kit, headbolts, honing tool...

And the list goes on [wrench]

O, and PS, what exhaust are you going with? why are you doing a HFC? Who is making that for you? Also, with the IC piping, these kits on the market wont just bolt up, youll need a custom hotside pipe, might want to custom do the whole thing

Honestly, I would give the dream up unless you have a way to make the $$$...

and PLEASE GET A SPARE MOTOR TO BUILD, you wont regret it

[Kyle H]

IS that your engine build plan? Plan to spend $1000 to just do rods.

Rods, Rod bearings, main bearings (your call, but if you do them, you need thrust washers, crank bolt, and main bolts), front main, rear main, ring set, ring filer, oil pan sealant, timing belt kit, headbolts, honing tool...

And the list goes on [wrench]

O, and PS, what exhaust are you going with? why are you doing a HFC? Who is making that for you? Also, with the IC piping, these kits on the market wont just bolt up, youll need a custom hotside pipe, might want to custom do the whole thing

Honestly, I would give the dream up unless you have a way to make the $$$...

and PLEASE GET A SPARE MOTOR TO BUILD, you wont regret it

I updated the list with the rod bearings/main bearings etc on the bottom of the first page.


I'm doing the HFC because from everything I've heard and read, there isn't any dyno-proven performance difference between a hfc and a test pipe, and i'd like to stay some-what legal.

good point on the fmic, and the exhaust setup was priced from 034.

You're right about that last part, at this point it's just a dream... but it gives me something to save for, and if I save half of it and realize I don't want to blow it on a BAT setup, I'll have $4g's sitting around to play with. [:)]

[1NaudiA4]

I would say your 600 for misc should probably be closer to 2000.

You'll still...
-Downpipe
-Air filter
-Fuel pressure regulator
-MAF
-intake plumbing
-lots of spark plugs
-oil and coolant lines and an fittings for the spa manifold
-new bearings for your crank and rods
-new piston rings
-labor if you don't want to do the engine work
-coolant, oil, powersteering fluid
-catch can set-up if you want
-electric fan kit while your in there
-motor, transmission, differential mounts
-maybe a head rebuild while you have the motor out
-new timing belt parts

trust me its adds up REAAALLY fast

[djwimbo]

You're right about that last part, at this point it's just a dream... but it gives me something to save for, and if I save half of it and realize I don't want to blow it on a BAT setup, I'll have $4g's sitting around to play with. [:)]

I got a fat insurance check earlier this year, right around the time 034 was offering the introductory priced eliminator kits. I almost did it.

I started doing the excel sheets too, the "While I'm in there..." ended up costing more than the "kit". It was pretty bad, by the time I finished pricing "everything", there was no point in doing an eliminator turbo. It's great for some, but I just couldn't justify spending the money on something I wouldn't be happy with for very long.

I just looked at my excel sheets and it was sad. After quoting "everything" except oil and coolant lines I had >$8K in the "Total" box.

[Nebone]

That's just for engine too. There is still the rest of the car to worry about.

[mike-2ptzero]

I updated the list with the rod bearings/main bearings etc on the bottom of the first page.


I'm doing the HFC because from everything I've heard and read, there isn't any dyno-proven performance difference between a hfc and a test pipe, and i'd like to stay some-what legal.

good point on the fmic, and the exhaust setup was priced from 034.

You're right about that last part, at this point it's just a dream... but it gives me something to save for, and if I save half of it and realize I don't want to blow it on a BAT setup, I'll have $4g's sitting around to play with. [:)]


On a BT or BAT less back pressure is going to allow the turbo to spool more freely in the high rpms. A HFC is going to flow less so it will have more resistance.

[dougyfresh]

HFC works perfectly fine on my car

[AudiA4_20T]

a HFC may not be a restriction on an elim setup, but on a worked 3071R setup it DEFINITELY is

[Don Supreme]

definitely...

[Don Supreme]

If I had spent all the money on the mods I have today at once... I would jump off a cliff.....

Budget 3.5K per year and in 3 years you will get there *lOl*!

[mike-2ptzero]

HFC works perfectly fine on my car

Yes, so does a full exhaust but running a open dump makes a big difference.

Back pressure = resistance no matter how you slice it.[>_<]

[Seerlah]

I started doing the excel sheets too, the "While I'm in there..." ended up costing more than the "kit". It was pretty bad, by the time I finished pricing "everything", there was no point in doing an eliminator turbo

I was in the same boat, but wanted a full set up. The numbers just did not agree with me when I could have a bigger turbo application with a little more $. Not to mention 100+ more whp. So, I just did up my car nice for now, and will continue to save for my BAT. I did not even get an intercooler as I want that money towards the BAT set up. If my turbo blows, I have a setup in mind that I might just get and call it quits. Or replace my stock turbo and continue to save.

/thread jack

To the OP, what everyone wants to basically say is it is not cheap. But it all starts as a dreams and if you want it you can get it. Just need to budget and save. The little things add up quick and always expect something to go wrong, unless you are going to have it professionally installed (even then, make sure they are reputable).

At first, all I wanted to with my car was chip it, exhaust, suspension, wheels, (that would have been it, minus other things that I did to the car), and then get a street bike. But now, plans have changed and am saving for a BAT. More safe and could be more fun. That is why many do not regret it (a little 4 banger putting down 400+whp on boost has to be fun).

[onemoremile]

Yes, so does a full exhaust but running a open dump makes a big difference.

Back pressure = resistance no matter how you slice it.[>_<]


Exactly. Due to the way a turbo system works, reducing exhaust pressure is just as good as increasing intake pressure.

[bassed]

Yes, so does a full exhaust but running a open dump makes a big difference.

Back pressure = resistance no matter how you slice it.[>_<]

I want to run an exhaust dump like yours. Which setup do you run again? You control it from inside the car right?

[Don Supreme]

I want to run an exhaust dump like yours. Which setup do you run again? You control it from inside the car right?

I do.... I think Mike's setup is manual.

[Russell2686]

yeah mikes i think is manual... get under the car and take it off.
I've got the QTP one that has the switch inside the car, works good but i've had to replace the motor ($40) because it quit working.

www.quicktimeperformance.com

[njm23]

Yeah, I heard the motors on those go out quite frequently, anyone confirm this whos had it for a while?

[Russell2686]

Yeah, I heard the motors on those go out quite frequently, anyone confirm this whos had it for a while?

Yeah its confirmed, i've talked to people who have put 3 or 4 new ones on, the heat burns them up supposedly, thats why they only offer a 30 day warranty on the motors haha

[1fstavant]

do a manuel one...25 bucks on summit racing cant ebat it with a stick

[mike-2ptzero]

I want to run an exhaust dump like yours. Which setup do you run again? You control it from inside the car right?

Mine is manual but it has a flange on it so I could always put on a electric controlled gate if I want, but I dont really run my full exhaust all that much.

http://www.audizine.com/gallery/data/500/2716cut_out_01.jpg


I am having a quick time dump done on the ER right now.

[Don Supreme]

I run the DMH dump....

The motor still works and it comes with a 4 year warranty...

[onemoremile]

You can go old skool with a cable operated dump too. Should be able to still get those in both flapper and guillotine styles.

[Poopie]

they make a guillotine style with an electric actuator. i remember posting a link but i can't find it anymore

[bassed]

JEGs has a slew (http://www.jegs.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/category_10001_10002_11529_-1_10245)

I kinda like the electric ones, wire it up to the Funk button:) (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6O9uXh17Fhk)

[djwimbo]

I don't know about the guillotine style, but the couple electrics I've messed with had a tendency to leak around the butterfly.

[Poopie]

http://www.jegs.com/images/photos/700/776/776-DEC250.jpg

[1fstavant]

well i get to do the motor agan...would i want to no am i gonna yes...another 4k outa pocket

word of advice
a. either dont misshift
b. build the head

[Euro-Tuner]

to the OP:

no, I would not do the BAT build again, I would have invested the money in somehting MUCH more important such as housing or my education. I made a poor choice considering my situation and my car was just fine before when it was KO4'd...I regret my build, but I guess Im happy with it.

[Starting]

I wouldnt go bt again. Just buy a bike.

[pac1085]

NO!

[bassed]

I wouldnt go bt again. Just buy a bike.

Your car has not even been in operation enough for you to enjoy it, I can understand where you are coming from, but I have 18k with 9k on a 2860rs and 9k on a S256 and it's been a hoot the whole time, problems and all.[wrench][wrench][wrench]

[Kyle H]

to the OP:

no, I would not do the BAT build again, I would have invested the money in somehting MUCH more important such as housing or my education. I made a poor choice considering my situation and my car was just fine before when it was KO4'd...I regret my build, but I guess Im happy with it.
Thanks for the honest response. [up]



well i get to do the motor agan...would i want to no am i gonna yes...another 4k outa pocket

word of advice
a. either dont misshift
b. build the head
lol.



After really thinking about it, a BAT build is really out of my reach for now as a college student working part time. As soon as I graduate you guys can expect a monster build though! [evilsmile]

Thanks for the replies guys, and keep them coming. [wrench]

[t1demont1]

enjoy life, built a BAT audi. you only live once right?

[JumboBlack1.8]

U could still throw in a turbo without going with a BAT.....see if u can find an elim setup.....it'll still be somewhat pricey, but nowhere near the cost of a built motor, head, and BAT.

I guess I don't reget it cuz i didn't spend THAT much money.....I prob spent about $1500 out of pocket....the rest was from selling wheels and K03 mods

[UN-PIMP-Z-A4]

For A Budget An Elim Kit Is The Best Otpion For Speed And Less Dent To The Wallet.

[1fstavant]

basically...its not just the build...that i could have lived with. what killed me was the cost to have my car...gas isnt cheap and filling it up twice a week with 93 since its my dd kills you when your a college student! then you also have to think about what happens if my car breaks can i afford to dump another k into for the clutch lets say not including labor or what if i mis shift and fry the head or break a timing belt can you afford to refix it, i cant but since this is my is my only car i was forced to. its all the little things that take building a bat to another level...and im only moderatly built take mike hood for example you know how much had to go into that motor and in the end your never satisfied your always gonna saw i need to go faster...

[maxspeed]

i pieced my gt2556 kit together for under 2k

it can be done, just gotta be serious about part/price hunting

[UN-PIMP-Z-A4]

U Did Ur Own Tuning?

[bassed]

U Did Ur Own Tuning?

NO