I know you guys are going to start staying "oh what crap, blah blah" check out these

[///M3 TO S4]

Before you guys get your panties in a bunch, you're going to laugh at the name of the company, but none of you have used these before b/c they are brand new. I have owned 2 m3's in the past and used obx headers for over SEVEN years with NO problems. They fit PERFECTLY and didn't crack, ect. I'm thinking of trying these out when I do k04's. Please keep your comments about them "cracking, being a ricer company, welds are shit, ect, ect" if you've never used them (which no one has b/c they just went up on ebay)

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/OBX-T...QQcmdZViewItem

[EUROTEK//S4]

welds are shit.

[tommy25000]

welds are shit.

lol

[tbone5446]

can't be any worse than the SSAutochrome shit, I'm interested to see what people think of these once they start selling.
Hell, maybe I'll buy a set and check them out

[generationjdm]

R u serious by saying know one used them there the same exact manifolds that ss auto chromes sells built by the same company... I have a set you can buy for 175.00 never used. Last time i checked M3ss weren't turbo charged, N/A manifold ya they probably won't crack add a few thousand more degrees and the weight of a turbo then let us know... If you didn't know and the reason why you see the same product on ebay but sold under 10 different names is simple, theres Chinese companies that when you go to them and buy quantity they will let you advertise any name you wish you and 100 other people...

[JaredVL]

Those ARE the same as the SSautochrome ones, just give up on this idea people. The fact that multiple threads happen every week on this same subject makes me sad.

[joemomma]

What i want to know is who has actually tried these (bolted them up and ran the car for XX amount of miles)to give a definite answer to them cracking.

[2ndEngineS4]

What i want to know is who has actually tried these (bolted them up and ran the car for XX amount of miles)to give a definite answer to them cracking.

Are you volunteering? Be sure to let us know how that goes. Maybe we'll all chip in and buy you new turbos after it cracks. . .or maybe not.

[JMTx86]

Lifetime warranty. . . . not bad i may be test dumb ass.

[fixn2xlr8]

As hard as its going to be to rmove a bad one, I wouldnt skimp in that department.

[Nexus1155]

well, all i can say is that they look mass produced by an outsourcing company in China... thats why they offer them for so cheap..

[joemomma]

Are you volunteering? Be sure to let us know how that goes. Maybe we'll all chip in and buy you new turbos after it cracks. . .or maybe not.

No im just saying everyone swears up and down they suck but i still havent seen someone do any real research or testing on them.

By the way heres an interesting little thread i found. Guys in Europe seem to think different...
http://rs246.com/index.php?name=PNph...er=asc&start=0

[generationjdm]

Those r some of the dumbest comments I've ever herd, " if anyone spends all day welding they most know what there doing" I have a set and they r complete garbage, there on the same lines in quality just with shitter flanges as the other 2 companies that they look like. So if your in the market for manifold it's better to buy these for 300.00 then the others for 3k and get the same results which is pulling the motor again. The last thing you should look at is what the outside welds look like quality of medal,thickness,penetration of welds and back purging r what you look for which r way more important.. You could build a manifold using 8-10 gauge with good penetration and back purging but have the outside weld look like shit and i guarantee they'll be way stronger then just a pretty weld on the outside alone. My friend is a fabricator and builds manifolds for a living, i showed him these a while back and asked him to reweld them he said " it's like welding 2 turds together there going to fall apart"

[JMTx86]

My father's buddy is a welder Do you guys think the material used is the problem with the manifolds or the welds?

If it's just the weld i'm sure I can have them reinforced to ensure they don't crack.

JDM didn't I say those mani you were selling sucked and you replied with "No they are quality"

Edit from what I just read the problem it the weight of the turbos on a Hot manifold that will cause them to crack. I guess you need to find a place to support the turbo so it take some of the strain off the manifolds. Does anyone have any pics of cracked manifolds so I can see were they cracked?

[generationjdm]

They don't crack at the welds they crack next to the weld from what i saw in the past, my comments about the quality was basically the same as whats out there, so if people though the weld or manifolds of the others were of quality these r the same was my end point... The medal is way to thin 18 gauge is whats used, plus the quality of the medal could be better just because it's 304ss that doesn't really mean much. Theres way to many variables in making a good manifold if ones not there you have a chance of cracking. If someone is running these or any of the other ones that look the same the last thing you want on the car is stiff motor mounts because that will only add to the problem of them cracking IE the less vibration the better.

[FrimmelNoJerz]

Lifetime warranty. . . . not bad i may be test dumb ass.

lol are they going to cover the engine pull too?
skip for the 58th time this week

[GURUMAN]

An please tell me guy whats the use of changing your manifolds on stock k03's or even k04's ?

Why woul any of you guy change a manifold, while your turbos fit perfectly on to stockers?

If the curves, welds and transitions were perfect for optimal flow, you may pick up a few horsepower but it's the same kind of gains as a lightweight pulley or better air filter...

Lets say in having a perfectly design header, you would probably gain a few horsepowers, but nothing exciting.

Lets say you get 10hp from a 2000$ plus installation piece, even if it was thos crappy ebay ones, add up labor to pull the engine.

Are you getting the point ?

Stockers are perfect for k03, k04 and rs6 with mods...

The smarter question would have been more interesting if these ebay shitty manifolds came with garrett gt series flanges... BUT THEY DON'T.

[noclutch]

I just got an SSAC manifold for my GT40 on my Eclipse. The only reason I even considered it is because its a drag car that doesn't see any street time at all ever and its dirt cheap. I would not suggest hanging a turbo off of anything made by SSAC when failure means pulling the motor.

[tommy25000]

So what do you all recommend instead of these? what works best? I am k04ing my S4 soon and need to know

[generationjdm]

the stock manifolds r fine you will not notice anything if your looking for more power then get a gt kit..

[SLC_S4]

So what do you all recommend instead of these? what works best? I am k04ing my S4 soon and need to know

Stock manifolds

[EUROTEK//S4]

Stock manifolds

what about stock manifolds with a little port+polish ?


...but if you want BALLER manifolds you can always get the ASP or AWE manifolds ....i think they go for like $1,700 a set.

[SLC_S4]

what about stock manifolds with a little port+polish ?


...but if you want BALLER manifolds you can always get the ASP or AWE manifolds ....i thing the got for like $1,700 a set.

Unnecessary waste of money when the stock manifolds are going to perform almost as well with K04s.

[tommy25000]

nice! great advice.

[Reich]

I think that APR suggest stock manifolds with there stage3 kit. Here's what they say.
The K04 turbochargers bolt up perfectly to the stock manifold. We chose to retain the stock manifold design for several reasons. The stock manifold has a small internal volume for quick spool-up and a cleverly designed dual-wall construction. The dual-wall construction keeps heat in the exhaust gases where it is needed. This increases the amount of energy available to the turbocharger turbine to spool the turbo (reduced lag/lower boost onset) and also reduces the heat transmitted to other components (an important consideration given the tight constraints). A conventional cast manifold would transmit too much heat to the surrounding components after shut down. A fabricated manifold would adversely affect lag and would transmit too much heat during operation. The factory decided to use the S4 exhaust manifolds in the RS4 and we chose to do the same for this kit.

[tommy25000]

I think that APR suggest stock manifolds with there stage3 kit. Here's what they say.
The K04 turbochargers bolt up perfectly to the stock manifold. We chose to retain the stock manifold design for several reasons. The stock manifold has a small internal volume for quick spool-up and a cleverly designed dual-wall construction. The dual-wall construction keeps heat in the exhaust gases where it is needed. This increases the amount of energy available to the turbocharger turbine to spool the turbo (reduced lag/lower boost onset) and also reduces the heat transmitted to other components (an important consideration given the tight constraints). A conventional cast manifold would transmit too much heat to the surrounding components after shut down. A fabricated manifold would adversely affect lag and would transmit too much heat during operation. The factory decided to use the S4 exhaust manifolds in the RS4 and we chose to do the same for this kit.

thats good enough for me. All that means is I do not have to spend more $

[1997gtx]

wtf. again? Stop it, please.

Thanks~
--Adam

[FrimmelNoJerz]

nice! great advice.

dont lie to the kid. Youre just building him up so someone more cruel than yourself can severely take him back down

[ThirdStrike]

R u serious by saying know one used them there the same exact manifolds that ss auto chromes sells built by the same company... I have a set you can buy for 175.00 never used. Last time i checked M3ss weren't turbo charged, N/A manifold ya they probably won't crack add a few thousand more degrees and the weight of a turbo then let us know... If you didn't know and the reason why you see the same product on ebay but sold under 10 different names is simple, theres Chinese companies that when you go to them and buy quantity they will let you advertise any name you wish you and 100 other people...

*pwned*
this should have been /THREAD

[///M3 TO S4]

They don't crack at the welds they crack next to the weld from what i saw in the past, my comments about the quality was basically the same as whats out there, so if people though the weld or manifolds of the others were of quality these r the same was my end point... The medal is way to thin 18 gauge is whats used, plus the quality of the medal could be better just because it's 304ss that doesn't really mean much. Theres way to many variables in making a good manifold if ones not there you have a chance of cracking. If someone is running these or any of the other ones that look the same the last thing you want on the car is stiff motor mounts because that will only add to the problem of them cracking IE the less vibration the better.

Woah, woah easy there tiger. Actually these are a diff company than makes the other ones on ebay. They all look the same? No shit shirlock, awe's look exactly the same ssautochrome ones. Actually na cars and turbo cars have very similar egt's boss. You get a car thats running SUPER rich NA or TURBO it's going to have VERY high egt's. Thousands of degree's of difference? Average egt of a turbo car on the highway (1000-1400). Obviously you don't know much about cars, if there was that much of a difference, don't you think there would be more problems with cars? I thought you were a super engine builder, know it all god of cars? (End sarcasm) Say what you want bro, you have your opinions, I know facts. How many people do you have TANGABLE proof of the ebay manifolds cracks, NOT SOMEONE TALKING ABOUT IT ON A FORUM. I mean pictures, ect. Again, i've owned obx's products, sure they make some junk, but their exhausts are JUST as high of a quality as any "big name" tunner out there. Go ahead laugh it up at that comment, fine with me, doesn't hurt my feelings one bit.

[///M3 TO S4]

*pwned*
this should have been /THREAD

pwned? In which way. Did he put me in my place? NO. You're an idiot, you didn't contribute to my thread in any way other that to make yourself look like a tool.

[Boris]

Woah, woah easy there tiger. Actually these are a diff company than makes the other ones on ebay. They all look the same? No shit shirlock, awe's look exactly the same ssautochrome ones. Actually na cars and turbo cars have very similar egt's boss. You get a car thats running SUPER rich NA or TURBO it's going to have VERY high egt's. Thousands of degree's of difference? Average egt of a turbo car on the highway (1000-1400). Obviously you don't know much about cars, if there was that much of a difference, don't you think there would be more problems with cars? I thought you were a super engine builder, know it all god of cars? (End sarcasm) Say what you want bro, you have your opinions, I know facts. How many people do you have TANGABLE proof of the ebay manifolds cracks, NOT SOMEONE TALKING ABOUT IT ON A FORUM. I mean pictures, ect. Again, i've owned obx's products, sure they make some junk, but their exhausts are JUST as high of a quality as any "big name" tunner out there. Go ahead laugh it up at that comment, fine with me, doesn't hurt my feelings one bit.

fwiw, I know a few RX7 guys that run obx exhaust manifolds too, which is a turbo charged app, and they havent had trouble...

I mean Im doing the labor myself, so maybe Ill give them a shot, and eat humble pie with you if they do crack...

Thing is , I m pretty sure you could reinforce those welds, despite what some have said..

ONly problem though, is that from my uderstanding, theres not much need for more exhaust flow in that area, I think the hot side of the ko4s are the bottleeck..

but.. maybe ill do it,
Like you pointed out, I havent seen any pictures, I havent seen a gosh darn single thing anywhere that has conclusively shown these things crack under duress... it would be so simple to post a freekin picture or post...but there is nothing
Everything ive heard is hearsay, yeah the weld might be shitty, but probably not that shittier than some of the awe's my friend showed me..

I don t think this is as open and shut as some have made it, wheres the proof? Where is one definitive thing anyone can point to? All the naysayers have offered are testaments to bad welds...which maybe is enough if theyre that shitty, btu Im not an expert in that at all...

[ThirdStrike]

pwned? In which way. Did he put me in my place? NO. You're an idiot, you didn't contribute to my thread in any way other that to make yourself look like a tool.

im pretty sure the OP is the one looking like a tool.. is that you? oh.. yah it is lol

[///M3 TO S4]

im pretty sure the OP is the one looking like a tool.. is that you? oh.. yah it is lol

Again, you make yourself look like a stupid noob, keep out of my thread....you're not funny, a failure at life.

[FrimmelNoJerz]

m3 to s4 VS. thirdstrike
lets settle this right now. retard slap fight.

[///M3 TO S4]

m3 to s4 VS. thirdstrike
lets settle this right now. retard slap fight.

HAHA, funny shit. But your autotragic will never hit 11's . Now go cry about it . I'll call you this when you realize that automatics are slow:

[S4 in_lowplaces]

//m3... If you cant take peoples comments then why did you post these threads, you knew what you where getting into, you even mentioned it as the intro to the thread. Just buy the damn things... if they work, great throw it in everyones face, if they dont, then dont post who cares...

[generationjdm]

Woah, woah easy there tiger. Actually these are a diff company than makes the other ones on ebay. They all look the same? No shit shirlock, awe's look exactly the same ssautochrome ones. Actually na cars and turbo cars have very similar egt's boss. You get a car thats running SUPER rich NA or TURBO it's going to have VERY high egt's. Thousands of degree's of difference? Average egt of a turbo car on the highway (1000-1400). Obviously you don't know much about cars, if there was that much of a difference, don't you think there would be more problems with cars? I thought you were a super engine builder, know it all god of cars? (End sarcasm) Say what you want bro, you have your opinions, I know facts. How many people do you have TANGABLE proof of the ebay manifolds cracks, NOT SOMEONE TALKING ABOUT IT ON A FORUM. I mean pictures, ect. Again, i've owned obx's products, sure they make some junk, but their exhausts are JUST as high of a quality as any "big name" tunner out there. Go ahead laugh it up at that comment, fine with me, doesn't hurt my feelings one bit.

R you on #ucking drugs because you sound like you R (sarcasm), I wasn't screaming or talking shit about you just those weak manifolds and where not talking about a cat back exhaust or other chineses products? I'm done commenting on your stupid thread if you can't take the truth you shouldn't of started this thread. Before i go let me say this, you have know clue on what your talking about if you think those aren't the same manifolds or built exactly the same as the ssac you need your head check, and if you ever seen a real manifold you would know. "If you get a car super rich it don't matter whether it's na or turbo" those r your words and once again you sound more retarded now then you did by bringing this thread to life (sarcasm). Take those tin manifolds to any fabricator or mani builder anywhere in the U.S and see if they all don't say the same exact thing, better yet do yourself a favor and buy another bmw so we don't have to listen to your B.S any futher (sarcasm).. By the way a turbo car can see egtss above 1800 degrees it's not good to do but it happens, so once again you have know clue (not sarcasm). P.S lets not turn this thread into what my automotive knowledge is verse yours lets just stay on the topic of these junky manifolds thank you.

[generationjdm]

fwiw, I know a few RX7 guys that run obx exhaust manifolds too, which is a turbo charged app, and they havent had trouble...

I mean Im doing the labor myself, so maybe Ill give them a shot, and eat humble pie with you if they do crack...

Thing is , I m pretty sure you could reinforce those welds, despite what some have said..

ONly problem though, is that from my uderstanding, theres not much need for more exhaust flow in that area, I think the hot side of the ko4s are the bottleeck..

but.. maybe ill do it,
Like you pointed out, I havent seen any pictures, I havent seen a gosh darn single thing anywhere that has conclusively shown these things crack under duress... it would be so simple to post a freekin picture or post...but there is nothing
Everything ive heard is hearsay, yeah the weld might be shitty, but probably not that shittier than some of the awe's my friend showed me..

I don t think this is as open and shut as some have made it, wheres the proof? Where is one definitive thing anyone can point to? All the naysayers have offered are testaments to bad welds...which maybe is enough if theyre that shitty, btu Im not an expert in that at all...

Start a thread on how many awe and asp manifolds have crack then you would see how bad it is, yes these r built by a different company but never the less built the same with worse flanges..

[GURUMAN]

you get what you pay fo generally.

Paid the about 1500$, they are 2 years old !