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    Carbonio Intake Testing and Review for B7 A4 2.0T FSI ...

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    Hello there folks,
    Last week I purchased and installed the Carbonio intake for the B7 A4. I picked up this unit and had it installed with the help of Bryan at Auto Motion. The installation process was exceptionally simple. The airbox assembly comes out quickly and in one piece on the B7 A4 compared to my old B6 A4.

    While inspecting the unit, I checked out the surface area of the new Pipercross foam filter element in the Carbonio compared to the old stock element.

    Stock Element = 520sq cm

    Carbonio Pipercross Element = 854sq cm



    Impressions of fitment and build quality are positive. The included lower section of the carbonio box places the filter inside a relatively well sealed compartment away from the turbo. The Carbon fiber lid seals of the top in an attempt to isolate the filter from underhood temperatures. Air is drawn in from the already available stock cool air rams at the front of the vehicle and fender.







    After the Carbonio was installed, I drove the car for approximately 200 miles before starting the data logging process. Obviously when dealing with mods of smaller gains no real subjective impression of power gains can be given. If you can feel 10hp than you're a better person than I am so I cant comment on that :) What I can comment on is the changes in engine phonics. I have to admit I was kind of laughing most of the way home. I've always been more of a go mod person than a show mod person so I wasnt sure what to think about the sound, but i'll go ahead and describe it. You can now hear VERY well the sound of the air sucking into the intake. You can also hear the bypass valve bypassing the air. It sounds a bit like a quieter version of a BOV now. It is not noticeable with the radio on, but it can definitely still be heard with the windows up and radio off. Take from it what you will, it doesnt bother me nor is it a selling point for me but i'm sure opinions will vary. Many people may buy this thing for the sound alone i'm sure.

    Once I had some miles on the car, I wanted to do some datalogging of the air intake. I had spoken to APR about this intake and told them I had heard some mixed reviews on the older unit that was promptly taken off the market. I mentioned to them that I am not interested in spending money on a purely aesthetic upgrade. APR was very upfront and stated the older unit did not perform to their expectation and that was the sole reason for taking it off the market. Obviously it wasnt price as was rumored since the new units are roughly the same price. What APR mentioned is that they were only interested in bringing an intake to market that could perform and they took an interest in the design side of this unit to ensure it performs. They advised me that they were seeing gains of 30g/s on their B6 stage 3+ cars. I was a bit sceptical but thought, what the heck. If their wrong, i'll just sell it.

    I had taken stock logs prior to the install. The car was run in the standard 93 octane APR mode for both testing sessions. The same Shell 93 octane fuel was used and the same testing area was used to test the car as always. All runs were WOT 3rd gear runs.

    Here are the results. First, is the boost log so it can be shown I was not running a special file and amazingly conditions were so similar that the boost logs look almost identical. I was suprised how consistent they were.



    And now for the airflow logs. Here we see some variance.



    Indeeed, the car went from a 201g/s peak to a 214g/s peak. I have never seen more than 201g/s out of this car under any conditions so to see the increase in 13g/s pretty regularly through the rev band was suprising in a positive way. To give an example of the g/s logging I have done prior this testing comparison, when I upgraded the B6 A4 from K03 programming to K04 programming and turbo the car picked up about 25g/s. To give another example, when this B7 A4 was running APR programming only, I also saw a peak reading of 201g/s. After adding the Milltec Hiflow cat and the Neuspeed exhaust the peak reading of 201g/s remained.

    Overall I am pleased with the intake in quality, fitment, and performance. I'll be keeping it. cheers! Mike
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    Thank you very much for the write up!!! So it's available for purchase at this point right?

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    Mike --- Thanks again for the review. I clearly see that it flows more air than stock systems. Also, I like the fact that air flow is consistant. However, I am not so sure why the boost curve remained same. I would think that it should have shifted the boost curve up a little from 3250RPM and up. I know for fact that APR's map is requesting more boost than actual boost logged... Hmmmm, it is quite interesting... Perhaps, the added air flow was bled off? It can't be cause it never reached requested boost from APR map... I guess TURBO was maxed out physically..... What do you think?
    Also, can you log the timing to see if they are consistant...

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    Originally posted by DanFromPA
    Mike --- Thanks again for the review. I clearly see that it flows more air than stock systems. Also, I like the fact that air flow is consistant. However, I am not so sure why the boost curve remained same. I would think that it should have shifted the boost curve up a little from 3250RPM and up. I know for fact that APR's map is requesting more boost than actual boost logged... Hmmmm, it is quite interesting... Perhaps, the added air flow was bled off? It can't be cause it never reached requested boost from APR map... I guess TURBO was maxed out physically..... What do you think?
    Also, can you log the timing to see if they are consistant...

    Dan from PA
    Hi Dan,
    I'm not surprised to see the same boost. One does not equal another. As for the programming I have, the APR requests almost exactly what it makes...

    A small snippet from 2500rpm to 6400rpm

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    cheers! Mike

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    Mike,

    Thanks for a quick response... I see that the actual boost is almost what APR map was requesting... I must've been confused with another chart I saw from the Vortex forum.....
    I guess that explains why the boost did not change....

    If that's the case then I am not sure if you will see much of the gain on the dyno. Unless AFR would be a little leaner, assuming that the injector cycle did not change...

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    I'm thinking of airflow and boost somewhat independently. Afterall can't the tubocharger be pushing more air at the same boost level?



    cheers! Mike

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    Awesome Mike! I always look forward to your posts.
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    Mike good read, and great logs...

    Glad you included them and that you did some logging.

    I remember on your B6 you wrapped your intake w/ heatshielding to keep it from heating up due to the turbo, you ever think about doing that on the B7 and seeing if there's better results?

    I don't have my B7 yet, so I'm not sure where the turbo is in proximity to the airbox, but in the B6 it was awfully close and I knew that when I got on it, it really heated up my intake...

    Just curious as to your thoughts on this.

    Also, any reason why Carbonio didn't produce something to replace the forward portion leading to their top/box and replace the stock part? Maybe even the same thnig, just from CF?

    Oh and did you get yours from APR or elsewhere?

    Thanks for all the info! Keep up the good work!

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    awesome info!

    i'm not really familiar with airflow and how it affects performance.. but will that 11 g/s have any increase on hp? Probably small but im just wondering

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    Originally posted by madrussian
    Mike good read, and great logs...

    Glad you included them and that you did some logging.

    I remember on your B6 you wrapped your intake w/ heatshielding to keep it from heating up due to the turbo, you ever think about doing that on the B7 and seeing if there's better results?

    I don't have my B7 yet, so I'm not sure where the turbo is in proximity to the airbox, but in the B6 it was awfully close and I knew that when I got on it, it really heated up my intake...

    Just curious as to your thoughts on this.

    Also, any reason why Carbonio didn't produce something to replace the forward portion leading to their top/box and replace the stock part? Maybe even the same thnig, just from CF?

    Oh and did you get yours from APR or elsewhere?

    Thanks for all the info! Keep up the good work!
    Thanks man. Interesting you should mention the thermal wrap heat shielding stuff. When I looked in the box of Carbonio goodies, there it was...the same stuff I had used on my own on the B6. It comes with the intake.

    With regards to the air ram location, I can only assume they used the stock location because it would be odd to find a new location when Audi already has a straight shot right to the front of the car to coolect cool air. I guess they could have made the ram out of CF and that would have been nice, but it still probably would have needed a flex joint and it probably would add to cost.

    cheers! Mike

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    Originally posted by flath12
    awesome info!

    i'm not really familiar with airflow and how it affects performance.. but will that 11 g/s have any increase on hp? Probably small but im just wondering
    There's your 64K dollar question. 11g/s is nothing to shake a stick at. It's actually pretty damn big, ESPECIALY and ONLY if its consistent. A crappy intake may show odd fluctuations in overall intake perhaps showing odd gains of 50g/s but quickly losses of 10g/s over stock. All that would show us is that it messed up the airflow dynamics and the flow over the MAF became inconsistent and uneven. This isnt the case at all with this Carbonio unit.

    But what does that translate to power? Very good question. One of the problems is how to test the new power. Dyno testing would be only partly usefull. Since dyno runs can vary up to 10hp on a good dyno calibration, it's very easy to show power gains if we just took our worst "before" dyno and our best "after dyno". That would be BS though. So what we'd need to do is take averages of several before and after runs. I will be doing this. But, unfortunately it still only tells part of the story. A dyno room will obviously not replicate the air intake of a car that is on the road, since a car on the road increases speed and airflow over the front of the car as it accelerates.

    So now what do we do? Well, I'm looking at several things to see what this little intake is all about. Comparing surface area of the filter element provides a cursory look at the possibilities. I'll do the obligatory dyno runs with lilttle weight put on them. Call it curiousity. I'm looking at the increase in airflow (g/s as already published), and finally as it gets warmer I will be looking to have a good 1/4 mile driver test the car with and wihout the intake installed. We'll do several runs and average them out for each. This MAY illuminate performance gains as the intake will perform real world rather than strapped to a dyno with a fan sitting in front of it. The problems with that testing are of couse variance in the driver who is 1/4 mile testing the car. That's why I can't do the testing myself, since I have only been to the 1/4 mile 5 times in my life and my runs are all terribly inconsistent so the results would be crap. I need a better driver and i'll be looking for one.

    cheers! Mike
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    Ross tech has a buttdyno on their website. you can enter the data in and get some calculated hp and tq numbers. would that help since it will be real world? Do three dyno logs with and with out the intake. That may help.. not sure

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    Mike,

    That's so true.. It varies because of the efficiency of the turbo. That efficiency in my mind comes from combination of catridge design and the cold/hot side housing (AR ratico)... But, we are talking about the stock turbo... The physical change of turbo components would draw different outcome of the air flow (efficiency).... Not really the intake is what I am thinking... What I have seen with the restrive stock intake systems is that (once you change them to well flowing one) the boost curve would shift to the left (allowing boost to build up faster) while top end boost were sustained a little better.........

    Dan from PA.
    Originally posted by bhvrdr
    I'm thinking of airflow and boost somewhat independently. Afterall can't the tubocharger be pushing more air at the same boost level?



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    Originally posted by DanFromPA
    Mike,

    That's so true.. It varies because of the efficiency of the turbo. That efficiency in my mind comes from combination of catridge design and the cold/hot side housing (AR ratico)... But, we are talking about the stock turbo... The physical change of turbo components would draw different outcome of the air flow (efficiency).... Not really the intake is what I am thinking... What I have seen with the restrive stock intake systems is that (once you change them to well flowing one) the boost curve would shift to the left (allowing boost to build up faster) while top end boost were sustained a little better.........

    Dan from PA.
    Good question Dan. The one thing i'll do is start my logs next time at 2000rpm to give the turbo a chance to try and spool and see if there are any differences. I think this would point a bit to throttle respnse which is probably tough to measure starting at 2500rpm since the turbo is ready to spool so fast at that point. I'll check it out.

    cheers! Mike

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    oh and mike... looks like it's time to update the sig

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    thank you sir! I found a soundclip on the web for a 1.8T. It's similar on this car...

    http://carbonio.com/a4/b6/Intake.wav

    cheers! Mike

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    so whats pricing goin to be like on this product
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    I think you can order them now from APR. I believe they are about $380 bucks. cheers! Mike

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    I think I'm ready for my next mod... Thanks Mike!

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    awesome write up mike, as usual!

    we all miss your posts over on the b6 forum...

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    Thanks for the research bhvrdr. I found it very helpful. It makes perfect sense that the larger surface area of the Carbonio filter allows more mass of air to enter the engine, which makes more power!
    More massive air (denser, heavier air) is what makes more power because it is combined with more mass of fuel. when the MAF (MASS air flow sensor) senses more mass of air per second entering the engine, it tells the computer to deliver more mass of fuel (or just more fuel per second) to maintain the air/fuel ration for the perfect combustion mixture. More mass of air and more mass of fuel create more pressure in the engine thus creating more power. All that air/fuel mass then goes into the exhaust manifold and does more WORK on the turbine blades, making the turbo more efficient at any RPM.

    Air mass and air volume are two different things. The reason why big turbos make more power is because they flow more air mass into the engine not more volume. A 2.0T engine with a stock turbo and a 2.0T engine with a GT28RS turbo will flow exactly the same volume through the engine. That's because the displacement volumes of the engines is the same: 2 litres!
    A 2.0T fitted with a GT28RS will flow less volume of air than a 2.7 twin turbo engine fitted with GT28RSs. 0.7 less volume to be exact. I hope you can understand that the volume of air an engine can move is fixed and is equal to the displacement of that engine.

    Now the MASS is a whole different story! A 2.0T engine with a stock turbo will flow less air MASS than a 2.0T engine with a GT28RS turbo. That's because the bigger turbo can compress more mass of air and shove it into that 2 litre volume of the engine. Of course all that air mass is combined with more fuel at the correct air/fuel ratio and all that extra mass in the engine makes more pressure, making more power, making more heat, making the turbo more efficient because it needs heat and pressure to move the turbine blades. (This allows for quicker spool as well because the turbine blades get more energy at lower RPMs.)

    Boost has nothing to do with it. Boost should not increase because it is set to a max according to the computer, waste gate and diverter valve. You see,... the turbo is designed to spin at a constant RPM. Thats why the waste gate opens: to prevent the turbo from spinning any faster. And because a turbo is a single speed machine, when the turbine spins at a constant speed, so does the compressor: causing boost to stay constant.
    If the speed of the turbine was to increase,.... then boost would rise.
    So....to recap....shoving more air mass into the engine creates a more powerful piston stroke while keeping the volume of air, flowing through the engine, the same.

    So your results (if accurate) are really cool because they show that an intake with a larger surface area WILL flow more air mass making more power and quicker turbo spool.

    Do yourselves a favor and google "Turbo theory" and read a bunch of the web sites. It helps if you know a little physics, not much though.

    I see the last post on this thread was a while ago but anyone visiting this thread can benefit.

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    great write up man!
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    Man, this thread was brought up from the grave
    Great write up though. I honestly don't believe in hp/tq increase with a intake like the carbonio or EVOMS, with that said, I just got a used one, just for the sound

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    wow very informative, this will be one of the last mods I do since minimal gains but was completely excluding it before this. Thanks!

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    Here's my thread necro of the year. What did people ever make of this? The increased flow etc...i mean if its heatshielded does this help? Has anyone ever bothered looking?
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    This thread has been necro'd three times over the last 7 years...
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    This thread has been necro'd three times over the last 7 years...
    Awesome right? See how many views it has too? I just wonder in Stage 3'ers if this does end up having some benefit.
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    Quote Originally Posted by rnp614 View Post
    Awesome right? See how many views it has too? I just wonder in Stage 3'ers if this does end up having some benefit.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Operator View Post
    Make your own....
    no time skills tools or space to do this...
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    Quote Originally Posted by rnp614 View Post
    no time skills tools or space to do this...
    Don't need either one of those. lol. You need about $100 worth of silicon and aluminum tubing, and a cone filter. No cutting, no nothing. You need a screwdriver.





    If any benefit is to be had, this type will have the most of any available.
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    And if you really want to get crazy, you can rig up a super ghetto heat shield with bead wire and aluminum foil like Operator did.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jimrobbington View Post
    And if you really want to get crazy, you can rig up a super ghetto heat shield with bead wire and aluminum foil like Operator did.
    Look buddy that heatshield was hecka efficient!!!!! And safety wire is used on half the jets in the USAF inventory I'll have you know!!! Also bunk on the alum foil! Don't make me drive down to Parker!!!!
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    Quote Originally Posted by bhvrdr View Post

    And now for the airflow logs. Here we see some variance.



    cheers! Mike
    Good work.

    Btw, what STP was the testing done at?

    Is the blue dots = stock OE filter or K&N
    And magenta dots = Piper filter

    This is the first time I saw that airflow is measured in g/s (gram/sec). Normally, the SI unit for airflow is L/s (Litre/sec)


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    Quote Originally Posted by jimrobbington View Post
    Don't need either one of those. lol. You need about $100 worth of silicon and aluminum tubing, and a cone filter. No cutting, no nothing. You need a screwdriver.



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    Hey Jim,

    by chance do you have a material list for that DIY and where you got everything?

    looks like 3 aluminum 90d elbows and 2 silicon elbows with some straps? Besides the filter is that all you used?
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    Quote Originally Posted by jimrobbington View Post
    Don't need either one of those. lol. You need about $100 worth of silicon and aluminum tubing, and a cone filter. No cutting, no nothing. You need a screwdriver.

    If any benefit is to be had, this type will have the most of any available.
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