DIY: Low cost alternative to Plug and Play Flat bottomed steering wheels.

[daihashi]

This is mostly a place holder thread. I'm piecing together a flat bottom steering wheel set. So far I've found that the following part numbers will work, and properly work with the single stage airbag setup. I've already purchased my wheel, and air bag, but will continue to look for more compatible part numbers for everyone else that may be interested. I will update this thread further with control module and s/c information. Here's what I have for now; more to come.

If anyone else has any other information they would like to contribute then feel free to post up what you have.

Steering Wheels:
8V0 419 091 R
8J0 419 091 G - I purchased this for $375

Single stage air bags:
8V0 880 201 N 6PS - I purchased this for $337
8X0 880 201 C

This guide might potentially be useful for trying to fit a stock B6 airbag into a FBSW???
http://www.golfmkv.com/forums/showthread.php?t=132579

[KR_A4]

What vehicle (model + year) is that airbag from? I've been looking at A8 D3 airbags. Their part number is 4E0 880 201


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[PreciseD]

Its from an Audi A3 but they look nothing like the airbag that I have that goes with the steering wheel that the OP purchased which I also have.

Let me know if they bolt up.

[PreciseD]

Here is the A3 airbag with part # 8V0 880 201 N



Here is the airbag that comes with the 8J0 419 091 G Steering Wheel with part # 8J0 971 589 B



Unless the mounting bracket can be switched over I don't see how this will work.

Hey OP if you find out that this does work I would be very interested so I can get rid of my dual stage airbag. In a write up by 034 Motorsports only 2 of the 10 airbags that are dual staged worked on a B6 during a collision.

[daihashi]

PreciseD; I'm not sure what you're arguing exactly. If you're arguing that I will have to do some modification, then you're probably right. However 8V0 880 201 N 6PS mates directly with 8V0 419 091 R. So I'm not sure why you're all eager beaver to point out the obvious.. the information I posted up is still very valid.

[daihashi]

here is an image of the back of both steering wheels... with grid lines drawn over them. I won't explain why I placed my grid lines in these spots; if you're smart then you can figure out why I picked those points. You can see that although there are some minor differences, that the two steering wheels are nearly identical, and can be made to work with some modification. The biggest difference are the tabs that are used to help retain the airbag in place; which can be created with a dremel.... if you look at the front side of the bottom steering wheel (image not included) you'll see that the entire area is made of metal and can easily be shaped so the tabs hook in place.

It isn't exact since I had to enlarge the bottom steering wheel, and play with the image angle/rotation to straighten it out.. it's a rough grid mock up I did, but is good enough to let you guys see what I see.

[ShogunR32]

Very interested in this.

[daihashi]

Here is the front; as you can see the bigger challenge is going to be where the spring mounts will go on the steering wheel... and even that I think is a non issue since they don't actually clip into anything. The pictures don't give a true idea of depth of the interior surface though... so I won't know for sure until I have the bag and wheel together in my hands. NOTE: the steering wheel at the bottom is not as flat against the surface it's laying on as the steering wheel on top. This also throws off the grid lines slightly, but you can see that on the top picture that the spring mounts will go right up against where the 'studs' protrude through that bracket. I think I can simply remove the bracket, grind down those studs, and call it a day. Hell; it looks tab on the rear of the steering wheel may not even need to be re-created... the bolts that go through it might be enough to hold it in.

[daihashi]

Actually, I tweaked the pics of the fronts of the wheels by 1 degree and realized that the bottom steering wheel pic was taken from an almost perfect top down perspective. It's the top image that is taken at a slight angle.... so the images don't align perferctly... but good enough to make a rough assessment that this is very doable.

[tankdeer]

You said beaver

[daihashi]

This is also a single stage air bag. This one looks closer to the Steering wheel(8J0 419 091 G); which is what I bought, but it's slightly different.

8X0 880 201 C

[daihashi]

Also, I have a few B6 steering wheels laying around. I'm going to try doing what this guy did in this thread, and see if I can put a new round cover on it; I'll of course have to find a new bracket for it. If this is possible then it would drastically reduce the cost of installing a FBSW. This is actually far less dangerous that it may seem, and much more likely to work in case you were ever in an accident:

http://www.golfmkv.com/forums/showthread.php?t=132579

[Charles.waite]

You said beaver

This.

[evo_ski]

This.

TOTES. Thanks Pat.

[daihashi]

Lol... today I start taking apart this guy to get a better idea of if retrofitting the stock airbag into a new cover/bracket is possible.

If not then I'll just retrofit it into my pants. Gotta protect my bits and pieces.

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[PreciseD]

I was not trying to argue, instead I was adding useful information that was not stated in your opening post. The two airbags use completely different mounting setups and one will not simply go into the other without a significant amount of modification.

Since I have the same steering wheel with the dual stage airbag I have been searching trying to figure out a way to get a single stage bag. So far no one has been able to do it.

I am very interested in seeing if the B6 bag will fit into the new cover as it seems the most likely to work.

Good luck and I look forward to your findings.

[65vetteC6]

Lol... today I start taking apart this guy to get a better idea of if retrofitting the stock airbag into a new cover/bracket is possible.

If not then I'll just retrofit it into my pants. Gotta protect my bits and pieces.

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Why are you trying to retrofit the stock airbag? You look like you are on the right track, you need a a1/a3 series airbag because it is single stage. Has to have those 4 bumpers in the corners and it will fit into a b8+ wheel. If you want steering wheel controls you need to swap the sc ring an other items.

[daihashi]

Why are you trying to retrofit the stock airbag? You look like you are on the right track, you need a a1/a3 series airbag because it is single stage. Has to have those 4 bumpers in the corners and it will fit into a b8+ wheel. If you want steering wheel controls you need to swap the sc ring an other items.

If you go back you'll see Ive already indirectly covered what you mention above ;-). The point of this thread is to do this correctly but cheaply. If you look at my first post, one of the air bags listed is for the A1, and another is the A3... I even show pics for it.

Look at the wheel I bought, it is not the wheel you are thinking of. It is an Mk2 wheel. It doesn't use the four bumpers. Instead it is more like our stock wheels, where two bolts in the rear of the wheel keep it in place.

A new cover costs about $100, a bracket for an airbag that matches that wheel is probably cheap also.

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[65vetteC6]

I was not trying to argue, instead I was adding useful information that was not stated in your opening post. The two airbags use completely different mounting setups and one will not simply go into the other without a significant amount of modification.

Since I have the same steering wheel with the dual stage airbag I have been searching trying to figure out a way to get a single stage bag. So far no one has been able to do it.

I am very interested in seeing if the B6 bag will fit into the new cover as it seems the most likely to work.

Good luck and I look forward to your findings.

A number of people have done this already. What you need is:

A1/A3 airbag, part number:
Harness: Buy from OEMplus or mine came with a harness, I depinned the connector (its not the right one) and took the connector from my B6 airbag. I have not had time to rewire it so the controls etc work but should get to this weekend hopefully.
Steering wheels: 8V0419091R (this is the S3/S4 etc wheel)
B7 control module and S/C ring.

I did all this for under 1K.

Ill look at my stuff this weekend and update

[PreciseD]

A number of people have done this already. What you need is:

A1/A3 airbag, part number:
Harness: Buy from OEMplus or mine came with a harness, I depinned the connector (its not the right one) and took the connector from my B6 airbag. I have not had time to rewire it so the controls etc work but should get to this weekend hopefully.
Steering wheels: 8V0419091R (this is the S3/S4 etc wheel)
B7 control module and S/C ring.

I did all this for under 1K.

Ill look at my stuff this weekend and update

I know that steering wheel will work. We are talking about the Mk2 steering wheel, which is what daihashi and I both have. That is why I am saying no one has put that airbag in our wheel.

If you did this for under $1,000, can I ask where you sourced the steering wheel and airbag?

[65vetteC6]

If you go back you'll see Ive already indirectly covered what you mention above ;-). The point of this thread is to do this correctly but cheaply. If you look at my first post, one of the air bags listed is for the A1, and another is the A3... I even show pics for it.

Look at the wheel I bought, it is not the wheel you are thinking of. It is an Mk2 wheel. It doesn't use the four bumpers. Instead it is more like our stock wheels, where two bolts in the rear of the wheel keep it in place.

A new cover costs about $100, a bracket for an airbag that matches that wheel is probably cheap also.

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Gotcha, you could just sell the steering wheel and pick up the correct one, I bought my B8 one for the same price you have listed.

[65vetteC6]

I know that steering wheel will work. We are talking about the MK2 steering wheel which is what daihashi and I both have. That is why I am saying no one has put that airbag in the wheel.

If you did this for under $1,000, can I ask where you sourced the steering wheel and airbag?

When I get home (Im on shitty airport wifi) I will dig it all up but in short, ebay/europe. But the guy I was dealing with had multiple ones of the set up. Steering wheel was 400 shipped, airbag was 350-400 shipped and I bought the control module for $100 off an ebay dismantler and they left the SC ring on.

[PreciseD]

When I get home (Im on shitty airport wifi) I will dig it all up but in short, ebay/europe. But the guy I was dealing with had multiple ones of the set up. Steering wheel was 400 shipped, airbag was 350-400 shipped and I bought the control module for $100 off an ebay dismantler and they left the SC ring on.

Wow that is a great deal. All I can find are $800+ for the wheel and $350 for the airbag.

[daihashi]

When I get home (Im on shitty airport wifi) I will dig it all up but in short, ebay/europe. But the guy I was dealing with had multiple ones of the set up. Steering wheel was 400 shipped, airbag was 350-400 shipped and I bought the control module for $100 off an ebay dismantler and they left the SC ring on.

I would be interested in that too. I'm not opposed to selling this wheel and buying one that is a perfect match if it keeps me in that price range.

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[98champ]

Interested to see how this turns out as I'm starting to save up for a new wheel.

[daihashi]

Going to call some audi wreckers and see if they'll sell me a deployed air bag. Not sure if there is a legal issue with that, if so then I wonder if they can sell me just the bracket without the bag.

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[agentsmith988]

Rich, I'm in the same boat as you right now trying to figure out to get this to work. I just don't care if it's a flat bottomed setup.

I've been trying to find the answer to this question though... Is my thinking correct in the following photo for compatible wheel button layouts?



It would be perfect if the 4th MFSW labled '???' would work... I know for a fact that a single stage mates up with it.

[65vetteC6]

Car is still in the shop or I would get more info for everyone, BUT here is a perfect example of how cost effective this can be.

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Audi-RS3-F...item2336cf3aa9

[daihashi]

Just wanted to let you guys know that I haven't forgotten about this. I've been trying to find an airbag from an A8 that has already deployed so I can scavange it for the brackets.

I've not had much luck but I'm determined to find one. I'll post updates as they happen.

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[vinny.dtw]

http://www.a1-forum.co.uk/a1forum/vi...p?f=28&t=52714

This write up has 99% of what you need. Except the steerign wheel controls has to look like this


Lots of wheels are interchangeable as long as it fits the a3/a1 airbag. I had a bunch of notes taken for it at the home computer, but long story short, it can easily be replicated cheaply.

Here is the harness made that was connected to the steering wheel controls to the clockspring that i bought from Europrice

[65vetteC6]

http://www.a1-forum.co.uk/a1forum/vi...p?f=28&t=52714

This write up has 99% of what you need. Except the steerign wheel controls has to look like this


Lots of wheels are interchangeable as long as it fits the a3/a1 airbag. I had a bunch of notes taken for it at the home computer, but long story short, it can easily be replicated cheaply.

Here is the harness made that was connected to the steering wheel controls to the clockspring that i bought from Europrice

Awesome picture this is what I have been looking for to get the steering control wiring. So yous works correct? Europrice just re pins the harness into a new plug.

[daihashi]

http://www.a1-forum.co.uk/a1forum/vi...p?f=28&t=52714

This write up has 99% of what you need. Except the steerign wheel controls has to look like this


Lots of wheels are interchangeable as long as it fits the a3/a1 airbag. I had a bunch of notes taken for it at the home computer, but long story short, it can easily be replicated cheaply.

Here is the harness made that was connected to the steering wheel controls to the clockspring that i bought from Europrice

I bought the same wheel that Europrice sells... except from someone overseas and I only paid $800. Their high pricing is what inspired me to try this DIY.

I debated selling my mk2 wheel, but honestly its more valuable if I can retrofit a single stage bag into it; unfortunately the A3 and A1 bags aren't a direct fit for that wheel.

once I manage to retrofit a single stage bag into it, and sell it, then I'll show others how to do the same. if successful then people will be able to fit a FBSW in their car for ~$500 vs $1000-1500.

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[bassist169]

I know that the A3/S3 wheel will fit into a B5 since it has the single stage airbag but does anyone know if the A1 wheel is compatible? This one includes the airbag and seems to be a pretty good price considering how much the A3 wheels and bags are going for separately.

Here's the link https://www.ebay.com/itm/AUDI-A1-Spo...1cn0:rk:4:pf:0