TipTronic to Manual Transmission Swap

[RLB6]

you ready to get out of that tiptronic?

Ready????

I'm already out. My tiptronic tranny with the upgraded TC and VB will hit the classifieds soon.

[RLB6]

In the classifieds now

[RLB6]

UPDATE:

Swap is complete except for sourcing the VSS. I have the 01E 6 speed from the 3.0 and retained my 4.11 rear. This combo gives me 72 MPH at 3K. May have to swap for a 3.89 rear.

[drjonez]

UPDATE:

Swap is complete except for sourcing the VSS. I have the 01E 6 speed from the 3.0 and retained my 4.11 rear. This combo gives me 72 MPH at 3K. May have to swap for a 3.89 rear.

What's the final drive in your 01E?

[dougyfresh]

What's the final drive in your 01E?

It should be 4.11:1.

If he swaps rear ends he has to swap the final drive ratio as well. The final drive ratio and rear diff ratio need to be consistent.

[drjonez]

...If he swaps rear ends he has to swap the final drive ratio as well. The final drive ratio and rear diff ratio need to be consistent.

Precisely what I was driving to...

[RLB6]

What's the final drive in your 01E?

No clue what the final drive of the 01E is.

At the moment, I running the 6 speed 01E transmission from an '02 A4 3.0 but I'm still using my same diff from when I had the tiptronic trans in there. I know the rear diff is a 4.11.

[dougyfresh]

No clue what the final drive of the 01E is.

At the moment, I running the 6 speed 01E transmission from an '02 A4 3.0 but I'm still using my same diff from when I had the tiptronic trans in there. I know the rear diff is a 4.11.

What is your trans code?

A4 1.8T FWD (B5) 3.778 2.176 1.429 1.091 0.865
Gear Box Codes: DHW, DVX, EHV

A4 1.8T Quattro (B5) 3.778 2.176 1.429 1.029 0.838
Final Drive: 3.89:1
Gear Box Codes: DJJ, DWR (up to 2001.5)

A4 2.8 Quattro (B5) 3.500 1.944 1.300 0.943 0.789
Final Drive: 3.89:1
Gear Box Codes: DJP, DJR, DWM

A4 1.8T FWD (B6) 3.778 2.176 1.429 1.091 0.865
Gear Box Codes: FPS, ENN, FTW, GBN, GFU, HFB

A4 1.8T Quattro (B6) 3.778 2.176 1.429 1.091 0.889
Final Drive: 3.89:1
Gearbox Codes: FPT, FNU, FTZ, GBT

A4 1.8T Quattro (B6) 3.667 2.053 1.423 1.065 0.853 0.730 (6-Spd)
Final Drive: 3.89:1
Gearbox Codes: GJW

A4 3.0 Quattro (B6) 3.500 1.889 1.320 1.034 0.857 0.730
Final Drive: 4.11:1
Gear Box Codes: FYF, GBE, GJV

A4 2.0T Quattro (B7) 3.667 2.053 1.423 1.065 0.853 0.730 (6-Spd)
Final Drive: 3.89:1
Gear Box Codes: GVD, GVE

S4 (B5) 3.50 1.889 1.231 .967 0.806 0.684
Final Drive: 4.11:1

S4 (B6) 3.667 2.05 1.462 1.133 0.919 0.778
Final Drive: 3.89:1

TDI 5 Speed (01A trans) 3.500 1.89 1.230 0.930 0.680

TDI 6 Speed 3.50 1.89 1.32 0.87 0.67 0.56

Courtesy of Jeff from Audigeeks.

[RLB6]

I'm going to assume it's this:

A4 3.0 Quattro (B6) 3.500 1.889 1.320 1.034 0.857 0.730
Final Drive: 4.11:1
Gear Box Codes: FYF, GBE, GJV

The donor car is an '02 A4 with the 3.0 liter motor. I can verify later today.

[nefkntym]

It is 4.11:1

If you have an 01E 6sp and an ETQ rear diff you are golden. The ETQ diff is 4.11:1 and it was used on the 6sp 01E and some tip 5 speeds. My 03 1.8t Tip had an ETQ rear end. It never hurts to check though.

[RLB6]

It is 4.11:1

If you have an 01E 6sp and an ETQ rear diff you are golden. The ETQ diff is 4.11:1 and it was used on the 6sp 01E and some tip 5 speeds. My 03 1.8t Tip had an ETQ rear end. It never hurts to check though.

My rear has the code ETQ.

What I don't like is running only ~72 MPH at 3K in 6th. Any options to get longer gearing in 6th?

[Spike00513]

I'm going to assume it's this:

A4 3.0 Quattro (B6) 3.500 1.889 1.320 1.034 0.857 0.730
Final Drive: 4.11:1
Gear Box Codes: FYF, GBE, GJV

The donor car is an '02 A4 with the 3.0 liter motor. I can verify later today.

According to car-part.com, you have "M.T., VIN E (8th digit), 3.0L, 6 spd (trans code FYF)"

According to ETKA, GJV has a 3.889 final drive

[carbonb6]

I'm getting a 6 speed from an 04 s4 to put in my 02 a4, my question is am I going to need the ecu too or is the recoding going to take care of that?

[SoCalK61000]

Ok so I got a question, if I'm doing the swap using a 2001 s4 6speed I would use the 01 6 speed drive shaft?

[drjonez]

...You CANNOT use the rear diff or driveshaft from a B5....

From the first post. Reading is gooooooooooooood.

You have a B6. You can only use B6 and B7 driveshafts. The '01 6 speed is an 01E....which was offered in the B6 with the V6. So you need a V6 manual driveshaft.

[SoCalK61000]

From the first post. Reading is gooooooooooooood.

You have a B6. You can only use B6 and B7 driveshafts. The '01 6 speed is an 01E....which was offered in the B6 with the V6. So you need a V6 manual driveshaft.

And then half way down the first page it says to use the front axles and driveshaft from the transmission you are using I did read asshole

[drjonez]

And then half way down the first page it says to use the front axles and driveshaft from the transmission you are using I did read asshole

Hey just be glad you get to benefit from my efforts....obviously, the DIY assumes you have some clue as to chassis compatibility, but I've added clarification based on your whining. Perhaps I should make a v2 that actually just does the work for you? :P

[walky_talky20]

Just wanted to add to this thread regarding making Reverse Lights work on a B7 2.0 TDI Avant: CVT to 6MT swap.

Somebody PM'd me wanting information on what to do. Their Reverse Lights were not working after the swap, which also meant the Park Distance Control was inoperable as well.

I had this diagram for the B6:


And this diagram for the B7:


Both showed the Reverse signal wire from the CVT being a Brown/Yellow wire that worked a relay. But the B7 diagram I had really only showed the Reverse light relay on the convertible model. It was unclear if that was actually present on the Sedans and Avants.

The person PM'ing me found their car had no Brown/Yellow wire at the CVT connector. So he instead went ahead in the circuit to send the signal directly to the Comfort Control Module. He put 12v+ on CCM pin 7 (blue/red wire in 12-pin black connector), or pin 10 (same blue/red wire) of the 17-pin red connector in the plenum chamber.

Just wanted to share in case that could help somebody else. Also, there is 1 more Diesel Manual Wagon in the world.

[AudiA4_20T]

I think the reverse lights were a red/blue wire on my S4. The bentley didn't show it correctly so it took some visual checking of the harness.

[nefkntym]

I think the reverse lights were a red/blue wire on my S4. The bentley didn't show it correctly so it took some visual checking of the harness.

They were a red/blue wire on my Avant as well.

[walky_talky20]

Are you guys talking about the CVT > PNP relay wire? Or the PNP relay > CCM wire?

Just curious...

[ADCS]

It is 4.11:1

If you have an 01E 6sp and an ETQ rear diff you are golden. The ETQ diff is 4.11:1 and it was used on the 6sp 01E and some tip 5 speeds. My 03 1.8t Tip had an ETQ rear end. It never hurts to check though.

So was this ever confirmed?
I am going to do a tip to 6spd swap on a 02 3.0 Tip chassis as part of my 2.7 build. It had an ETQ rear diff. So does that mean I don't need to change the rear diff if I use an 01E 6spd? Just front-to-rear driveshaft and front axles? And of course mounts and all that stuff. Thanks.

[RLB6]

So was this ever confirmed?
I am going to do a tip to 6spd swap on a 02 3.0 Tip chassis as part of my 2.7 build. It had an ETQ rear diff. So does that mean I don't need to change the rear diff if I use an 01E 6spd? Just front-to-rear driveshaft and front axles? And of course mounts and all that stuff. Thanks.

It's been confirmed. if you have the ETQ rear but using the 6 speed from an '02 3.0 - then you're good! You'll also need the driveshaft from the 3.0 as well (front to rear driveshaft that is)

[mauromj]

Im starting my swap soon and was thinking about the engine to tranny bolts. Did you use the same ones off your tiptronic? Im worried they wont be the correct length.

[drjonez]

Im starting my swap soon and was thinking about the engine to tranny bolts. Did you use the same ones off your tiptronic? Im worried they wont be the correct length.

I just used what looked best. I have piles of bolts. Put a few through in the locations you're going to use and then ensure you have plenty of threads for engagement.

[nefkntym]

What did you do for the vacuum lines especially for the brake booster? Did you swap to the manual brake booster line and get rid of the vacuum pump in the ABS bracket or just leave it?

[drjonez]

Still have the vac pump, will likely be transitioning over to using it to drive the booster exclusively. Vac lines were simplified.

Nice B6, BTW....same color as mine. ;)

[mauromj]

Wrong thread. Oops!

[vtraudt]

Clutch Switch
You will want to wire up a clutch switch, without it you will be testing your rev limiter should you disengage your clutch while cruise is on as well as have an RPM jump on fast shifting and not having cruise control with the ECU properly coded. The B6 uses two switches on the clutch, the one that is needed to fix the previously listed problems is part number: 8E0 927 189B and resides next to the brake switch. walky_talky20 has a great write-up for the B5 (but it all applies to the B6 as well) here it is: http://www.audizine.com/forum/showth...Swap-%28DBW%29 What you’re doing is adding a wire to pin 39 on the ECU, running that wire to one terminal of the clutch switch and running the other terminal of the clutch switch to a tap off the black/brown wire of the brake pedal switch. Yes, pix with hands in them suck.

Pin 39:


Pin 39 wire run to clutch switch, clutch switch tapped into brake switch:

Trying to wire up the clutch switch for cruise control. found this guide, and thinking maybe transferable to my project 2003 Allroad.

Does someone know that signal black/brown wire of the brake switch (for clutch switch tap in) carries?

Here is my brake switch connector: the black/brown (red?) wire on pin 4 has ground with brake pedal up, and 12V with pedal down.
Same on the B6 switch cable?

Clutch switch is CLOSED with pedal up, opens when pedal is pressed down.

The ECU gets:

When connecting the 2nd pin of the clutch switch to the red/black brake switch wire (pin 4):

both pedal up:
Ground to ECU pin

brake down:
12V to ECU pin

clutch down:
open (neither ground nor 12V)

both pedals down:
open (neither ground nor 12V)

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[Korben007]

I believe of the clutch switch 1 wire goes to Pin 39 on the ecu. the other wire taps in to the white wire on the brake switch which should be constant ground.

[vtraudt]

I believe of the clutch switch 1 wire goes to Pin 39 on the ecu. the other wire taps in to the white wire on the brake switch which should be constant ground.

Will go out right away and check the white brake switch wire.
Already tried the white/red:

When connecting the 2nd pin of the clutch switch to pin #2 (white/red wire):

both pedals up: ground send to ECU pin 39
brake pedal down: ground send to ECU
clutch pedal down: open circuit (neither ground nor 12V)

[vtraudt]

Will go out right away and check the white brake switch wire.
Already tried the white/red:

When connecting the 2nd pin of the clutch switch to pin #2 (white/red wire):

both pedals up: ground send to ECU pin 39
brake pedal down: ground send to ECU
clutch pedal down: open circuit (neither ground nor 12V)

When connecting the 2nd pin of the clutch switch to pin #3 (white wire) of brake switch:

both pedals up: 12V send to ECU pin 39
brake pedal down: 12V to ECU
clutch pedal down: open circuit (neither ground nor 12V)

Pin 3 of brake switch has switched 12V power (key on), ground when key off.

[vtraudt]

When connecting the 2nd pin of the clutch switch to pin #3 (white wire) of brake switch:

both pedals up: 12V send to ECU pin 39
brake pedal down: 12V to ECU
clutch pedal down: open circuit (neither ground nor 12V)

Pin 3 of brake switch has switched 12V power (key on), ground when key off.

From other DIY listing referenced by the OP above (but also not indicating what signal the 'black/blue' wire of the brake switch is bringing to the clutch (and onto the ECU).
" It is also showing the blue scotch lock which is connecting to the other switch wire (black/yellow) and tapping it into the brake light switch wire (black/blue)."
http://i19.photobucket.com/albums/b1...0/DSC05364.jpg

[mauromj]

I can get everything coded but the ECU. I keep getting a P1612 code stating the code is invalid. Does anyone know a solution to this? I have tried everything and have not been able to get it coded over!

[vtraudt]

I can get everything coded but the ECU. I keep getting a P1612 code stating the code is invalid. Does anyone know a solution to this? I have tried everything and have not been able to get it coded over!

What codes have you tried?

I coded mine:

ABS is code 06395 (I have 1LA ABS module). ABS login is: 07495
Engine is coded 07715

Do you have any error codes that might prevent it from taking the coding?

[mauromj]

I ended up having to unplug the tcu then it worked!


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[SKiernan]

I am getting read to do my tip to 6 speed swap. I have a 2002 a4 and a 2005 s4 trans. I have been getting questions about what flywheel I want so a clutch can be mated to it. Can anyone elaborate on my options? I read the whole thread and there is no information posted. Thanks!

[drjonez]

Clutch disc, FW, PP all match the engine. I.e. You can use any 1.8T clutch kit for your 1.8T car with whatever trans you like.

[SKiernan]

I was told the pilot shaft is a different diameter on the s4 trans. Wouldn't that mean I need an s4 clutch plate? If so does thst go with a 18t pp and tyen a matvhing fw. Thus my confusion.

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[SKiernan]

Clutchmasters offers two fw a reg and 240 mm. How would thst affect?

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