TTH-2.7TM-550+

[Mocke]

I belive our creation is worth mentioning.
Engeneerd by 2.7TMotorsport and built in cooperation with TTH-Germany.

All Original BorgWarner parts:
Porsche cast compressor wheel- way more efficient then rs6 comp wheel
BorgWarner deep rs6 style turbine- machined
Upgraded bearings
Upgraded Wastegates
Original RS4 B5 compressor and exhaust housings
All parts are carefully chosen by yours trully. :=

Goal with these was to create something that spools as close to stock pjk04s, but flow more and still keep the OE quality.


Here are results sofar:
RS4 B5 full weight wagon
2 ppl in car 180kg
Pump petrol ron100 - this is a good fuel
Custom tune @2.7TMotorsport


https://www.youtube.com/shorts/dOG9cnOZT50


Comparation to stock BWK04s
Full spool



Delayed spool to aid bottom end



4th gear spool




Cheers.

[Mocke]

In addition - Car in use has a bone stock bottom end and heads.

[zipdoa]

data looks great - awesome videos on youtube.

Is fitment 100% OEM? water/oil lines? Inlets/hoses?

Are they significantly more expensive than oem bw k04's?

[Tec_Nine]

I've always loved the drivability of the K04's, this is oem+++. Would be an awesome option for people looking to retain oe like drivability with some extra juice in the top end.

[Mocke]

Our 550s are made of oem k04 housings.
Everything is PnP. Just to bolt on as stock k04s.
We are using exclusively BorgWarner components and as you already know BorgWarner k04 exhausts housings are NLA.
We can only produce these when customers send in a pair of BW k04s with non damaged housings.
Considering this, they are cheaper then oe BWs k04. Complete CHRAs, wheels, bearings is always brand new. We only reuse BW housings and WGs.

Jcanni here has a pair of our “lighter” version 550s in his S4 project.

[Mocke]

I've always loved the drivability of the K04's, this is oem+++. Would be an awesome option for people looking to retain oe like drivability with some extra juice in the top end.

Oh yes. BWK04s on E85 is great everyday fun.

These will override k04s by a good margine in all ranges.

[jbain2]

Subbed for future reference.


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[MCP]

I belive our creation is worth mentioning.
Engeneerd by 2.7TMotorsport and built in cooperation with TTH-Germany.

All Original BorgWarner parts:
Porsche cast compressor wheel- way more efficient then rs6 comp wheel
BorgWarner deep rs6 style turbine- machined
Upgraded bearings
Upgraded Wastegates
Original RS4 B5 compressor and exhaust housings
All parts are carefully chosen by yours trully. :=

Goal with these was to create something that spools as close to stock pjk04s, but flow more and still keep the OE quality.


Here are results sofar:
RS4 B5 full weight wagon
2 ppl in car 180kg
Pump petrol ron100 - this is a good fuel
Custom tune @2.7TMotorsport


https://www.youtube.com/shorts/dOG9cnOZT50


Comparation to stock BWK04s
Full spool



Delayed spool to aid bottom end



4th gear spool




Cheers.

Impressive, the best part is they seem to hold the psi to redline.


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[jbain2]

I initially bookmarked this as an alternative to traditional BW K[emoji[emoji6][emoji6]]’s. But in all honesty for my liking I don’t think the little gains that the TTH product offers outweighs what I see as being a clear advantage early in the RPM range. The area under that curve is a clear advantage for me as I don’t expect to do most of my driving above [emoji6][emoji[emoji6][emoji6]][emoji[emoji6][emoji6]][emoji[emoji6][emoji6]] rpm’s.


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[craigt1985]

I belive our creation is worth mentioning.
Engeneerd by 2.7TMotorsport and built in cooperation with TTH-Germany.

All Original BorgWarner parts:
Porsche cast compressor wheel- way more efficient then rs6 comp wheel
BorgWarner deep rs6 style turbine- machined
Upgraded bearings
Upgraded Wastegates
Original RS4 B5 compressor and exhaust housings
All parts are carefully chosen by yours trully. :=

Goal with these was to create something that spools as close to stock pjk04s, but flow more and still keep the OE quality.


Here are results sofar:
RS4 B5 full weight wagon
2 ppl in car 180kg
Pump petrol ron100 - this is a good fuel
Custom tune @2.7TMotorsport


https://www.youtube.com/shorts/dOG9cnOZT50


Comparation to stock BWK04s
Full spool



Delayed spool to aid bottom end



4th gear spool




Cheers.

That's seriously impressive, RS4 K04 spool and RS6 top end.

How much is the conversion cost?

[james 408]

Alright this has officially crossed the line. k04 spool with rs6 top end, override k04s in all ranges, way more efficient than rs6 comp wheel....

I mean we couldn't possibly be dumb enough to believe this same tired story again can we? are we that dumb? let's see the side by side 1/4 mi, and when this isn't true, again again again, i'll just leave this here: I TOLD YOU SO. I mean FFS you can see not even the spool is the same from his own dyno chart, and yet people say it is -- he even says it beats it in all ranges, but produces data that shows it doesn't. And use your brain for what that's gonna mean outside of a dyno when you pin it, same is not the same.

please, please stop falling for the same scam. it's not even a different guy than the last time.

[jbain2]

Alright this has officially crossed the line. k04 spool with rs6 top end, override k04s in all ranges, way more efficient than rs6 comp wheel....

I mean we couldn't possibly be dumb enough to believe this same tired story again can we? are we that dumb? let's see the side by side 1/4 mi, and when this isn't true, again again again, i'll just leave this here: I TOLD YOU SO. I mean FFS you can see not even the spool is the same from his own dyno chart, and yet people say it is -- he even says it beats it in all ranges, but produces data that shows it doesn't. And use your brain for what that's gonna mean outside of a dyno when you pin it, same is not the same.

please, please stop falling for the same scam. it's not even a different guy than the last time.

I agree. I initially bookmarked it. But after looking at the charts it’s clear that the TTH turbos spool 300-400 RPM’s later then the graph for the K04’s. It’s actually written delayed spool on one of the graphs.

That being said they still may be a reasonable offering if the price point is competitive with the BW K04’s. And by competitive I mean cheaper.


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[Silverex]

I agree. I initially bookmarked it. But after looking at the charts it’s clear that the TTH turbos spool 300-400 RPM’s later then the graph for the K04’s. It’s actually written delayed spool on one of the graphs.

That being said they still may be a reasonable offering if the price point is competitive with the BW K04’s. And by competitive I mean cheaper.


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He said he purposely delayed boost for stock bottom end. The first chart has them spooling within about 200RPMS yet holds power a lot better uptop.
Obviously it’s nothing earth shattering but seems like a nice new offering to me especially if price is around $2500.

[jbain2]

He said he purposely delayed boost for stock bottom end. The first chart has them spooling within about 200RPMS yet holds power a lot better uptop.
Obviously it’s nothing earth shattering but seems like a nice new offering to me especially if price is around $2500.

At that price point perhaps. But I think the only concerns about stock bottom end would be on e85 correct? I’ve owned several K04 cars with stock blocks and never worried about throwing a rod.

And the up top happens after 6k rpm’s. Not a range most folks who are using K04 framed turbos typically take advantage of.

Anyway, if you are buying new K04’s these might be a good alternative. But most folks these days are just sourcing K04 chra’s and popping them in used housings. That can be done for cheaper than $2500.


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[Silverex]

And the up top happens after 6k rpm’s. Not a range most folks who are using K04 framed turbos typically take advantage of.
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First graph has them making more power everywhere and on the delayed boost map from 4K on, so it’s not just higher RPMs where you’ll see the gains.

[jbain2]

To be honest, it would be great if the graphs used consistent colors and schemes and if the FATS times weren't overlayed over them. Use the legend at the bottom to label everything to make it more readable. I can't tell what is what based on the written in labels and the legend at the bottom. I'm genuinely intrigued as I am working to build a K04 framed car. Thanks.

[james 408]

Regardless, this isn't new tech producing all upside and no downside. I dunno why you gotta make false statements every time -- like this shouldn't be that hard to not make an overtly false claim, he didn't even say that much.

We all know what this is. Same sheet different day.

And when there's a tax law change, history says this guy will blow up his business relationship and start trash talking the very thing he was lying to sell. No honor among thieves. Then he touts pjk04s, makes the same hybrid in a different wrapper, and then claims this one lays golden eggs.

[craigt1985]

Regardless, this isn't new tech producing all upside and no downside. I dunno why you gotta make false statements every time -- like this shouldn't be that hard to not make an overtly false claim, he didn't even say that much.

We all know what this is. Same sheet different day.

And when there's a tax law change, history says this guy will blow up his business relationship and start trash talking the very thing he was lying to sell. No honor among thieves. Then he touts pjk04s, makes the same hybrid in a different wrapper, and then claims this one lays golden eggs.

I do see what you're saying, it is a little hypocritical that any other hybrid gets trashed by this guy, slating china made compressor/turbine wheels as old tech made from inferior materials. And then markets the items he sells as the next greatest thing.

It's a real shame that a back to back group tests can't be done with a shed load of different hybrids on the same engine setup, it would certainly add some weight to the argument, one way or the other.

[james 408]

It's been done, they tie. size for size; this happened with the last golden goose, same numbers. Despite all the nonsense claims, all the data, all the defending the indefensible... as soon as you put them on an independent test, the answer is exactly what you expect, zero difference. they all shift along a spectrum based on their size swapping turbo lag for top end. there has never been any exception, ever, on any platform, ever (maybe over 50 years ago when this was still being sorted, but today you're talking immeasurable differences). Can you hide it? sure, you can make misleading crap data, he's an expert at it. He's also pretty sloppy and easy to catch in a lie. Let the fact that the best defense is absurdly claiming his own data doesn't disprove his own statement be a testament to where this goes. Frankly i'm not even gonna bother, it's too obvious even to those who defend him, just like last time... they know he's lying too. Everybody knows except the victims.

There is a zero percent possibility his claims are true. I don't need to see any data to know this. And one look at his data, and with any background on the topic at all, you know what the answer is -- which is that he is lying, in writing, in an advertisement, again. You can nickel and dime doubt into the data all you want, it doesn't change the answer.

The man has proven, time and again, he is willing to lie to sell product, gets super nasty about it, and has troubled history with business relationships and gets super nasty about it. The idea that when you come to him for a warranty claim, and he's not willing to lie to your face for profit... is ludicrous. You'd have to be out of your mind to expect anything different.

Look i don't care about the guy, never done business with him... My only interaction was to call out obvious lies, and he flipped his lid. If he'd come out and sold a product without bold faced lies this time, I'd have said nothing. But it just isn't in his nature.

[Mocke]

To be honest, it would be great if the graphs used consistent colors and schemes and if the FATS times weren't overlayed over them. Use the legend at the bottom to label everything to make it more readable. I can't tell what is what based on the written in labels and the legend at the bottom. I'm genuinely intrigued as I am working to build a K04 framed car. Thanks.

I think you are missreading the Logs. They are easily understandable. The first one is full spool, but bc this is a complete stock engine ( even RS4 engines do not like 800nm at 3200rpm).
Hence why its numbed both with spool and timing. Second log. The Ron100 is good fuel and you can apply loads of timing to it.
Not sure what exactly is non- understandable here, Several mm larger and more effective geometry both on comp and turbine side obviously makes more TQ at same boost level and more peak hp.
Short answer is - there is no range stock k04s has advantage here. Its not comparable .For those thats been following us - knows that i have been putting together and tuning in many fastest stock k04 cars on the world wide scale. I love them, but this is just better in every way. Still the market is free and i understand your love for org k04s. I love them too.

Cheers.

[jbain2]

I think you are missreading the Logs. They are easily understandable. The first one is full spool, but bc this is a complete stock engine ( even RS4 engines do not like 800nm at 3200rpm).
Hence why its numbed both with spool and timing. Second log. The Ron100 is good fuel and you can apply loads of timing to it.
Not sure what exactly is non- understandable here, Several mm larger and more effective geometry both on comp and turbine side obviously makes more TQ at same boost level and more peak hp.
Short answer is - there is no range stock k04s has advantage here. Its not comparable .For those thats been following us - knows that i have been putting together and tuning in many fastest stock k04 cars on the world wide scale. I love them, but this is just better in every way. Still the market is free and i understand your love for org k04s. I love them too.

Cheers.

Can you please put a graph up that removes the FATS and has the legend labeled at the bottom so we can accurately see what line is represented by what? Thanks.


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[james 408]

Oh now larger turbos only have lag and spool delay because we don't want the power? This isn't just physics... this is the tuners election? Popcorn.

I gotta admit, this is just fascinating to watch.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B85D..._channel=kyoot


Jbain i'm sure you're aware of this, but with the fluctuation from one dyno run to the next without changing anything at all, and given the source... honestly I think you're better off just searching the forums for another source. I can't think of one offhand with data, but i'm fairly certain this same combo has been documented publicly. regardless it's pretty easy to infer what this setup does. The data that will come out from a 3rd party, at some point, will be very, very predictable. These are just off-the shelf parts man. I think you're just asking to get misleading information anyway.

It's gonna look like https://myaudis4.com/2016/02/25/fran...-dyno-results/ only more so. and no obviously this isn't a tuner elected thing to preserve the engine -- this is a childishly absurd lie. there were some cool k03 e85 builds producing crazy power down low. This guy's just so full of shit from square one, and not just this time, that I wouldn't trust a single thing he says or shows at any point. I mean there's a long history of shady crap he's lied about in his testing, and not just the cherry-picking numbers, it's direct deception as well.

Just gonna drag it on here so people can see directly what the truth is, with zero exceptions in modern history on any platform:

which of course directly contradicts, with extreme prejudice, any and all assertions otherwise, including "Short answer is - there is no range stock k04s has advantage here." and all similar insanity that has no basis in reality, whatsoever. This is incredibly stupid.

Just so the average person understands, here's a more complete picture of what 'turbo lag' is beyond what you measure on a single dyno pull. well, what everyone but Mocke measures on a dyno anyway: https://myaudis4.com/2016/05/15/tte5...st-onset-data/

It's truly remarkable the man made multiple charts, added labels, and then goes out of his way to explain how what you're seeing is not what you're seeing, I deliberately delayed the onset because these turbos are just that good. I mean if it was anyone else I'd think they were having a laugh. But this is real, you can't make this up.

[CELison]

Great product. Would buy again.

[james 408]

i bought 3 of em. makes so much power that I set the spool to redline. world class fastest ever!

The data from my setup is the same as OP. It's self explanatory. Obviously you print them out, stack them on top of each other, cut a whole in the middle, then stare into the void for answers. No lag!

[james 408]

I'm just gonna make this expressly clear, so people understand what this is:

Instead of making a single chart overlaying his turbo with a k04, as you'll eventually see... What he did was make 2 charts, with the apparently deliberate intention of not showing you the increased turbo lag; this appears to have been the entire purpose of the dual charts for it lacks any other logical explanation. Now you can still see it, of course, but what he's done is obfuscate/hide it. He then makes the claim there is no additional turbo lag (paraphrased)... which is incredibly stupid and obviously false, but nevertheless par for the course. He made the same claims last time, which were of course proven to be utter nonsense -- among a litany of nonsense and other false claims.

Basic physics precludes this from being the case. And basic logic means that his sole intent here is to commit fraud. Again.


To Audizine mods: Because this individual has a history of trying to get me banned for calling out obvious lies... if you want to ban or scold me for calling obvious fraud fraud, fine. But I was right last time, this has been proven from independent sources, and I am right this time, beyond any reasonable doubt, and will again be proven to be so in time.
I don't believe in any way shape or form this is violating any terms or conditions, I'm somewhat mystified you found this to be the case last time. I wasn't targeting anybody and i'm not in any way delilberately insulting. I'm merely calling out what is simply a fact. Just like last time. It just so happens the fact is insulting. I'm calling a lie a lie. I'm doing my best not to call one who commits lies a liar, as absurd as that is, but that's the only logic I can even begin to understand your reprimand last time. I am merely trying to prevent people from being scammed. Shoot the messenger as you please.
I do suggest you put a stop to fraudulent activity, especially repeat offenders -- however you see fit. Rather than targetting the guy who was probably the only voice actually calling it out last time. Not a morality expert, but I'm pretty sure I have this one right.

[Mocke]

@jbain2

There you have those graphs incl WGDC - no spool holdback.




These are the objects compared to get as close as possible data.

Both Cars are full weight RS4 B5 Wagons
Both has bone stock - never opened Engines/heads - all the same
Both has Same exhaust manifolds
Both has the same Intake piping
Both has the same fueling kit from 2.7TM
Both has 3" full exhaust, no Cats
Both has the same Intercoolers
Both are custom tuned by me remotely.
Only difference is yellow car runs stock pjk04s.
Avus car runs our 2.7Tm-550s

Yellow car has been dynoed at 700nm / 523 bhp on good quality pump Euro 98 ( US 93) - Spain
Running consistantly 7.9 sec on Dragy.
There is lots of info, videos etc posted on our Media.
This car has also been coverd and highlighted in Spains Motorsport media... Its a beauty.







Video, Yellow RS:
https://www.tiktok.com/@2.7tmotorspo...ZN-8tpPJO5qSyQ




Avus car runs good quality pump petrol Ron100 - Italy.
We are still waiting for Dyno and Dragy numbers from the owner.
It will be all posted as usual.




As for the "Usual suspect" running his conspiracy theories - you need alot of professional help to at some point get a life.
We understand that you need any sort of attention.
Your constant personal attacks is doing us only good. The more you talk to yourself here and drawing attantion - the more you are helping all those Companies you are Insulting. If its not us, its tte, or Torque factory, or private ppl...
Keep up the good work, soldier!

[james 408]

There's nothing personal about it.

The parts are literally straight out of the borg warner parts bin using the same borg warner design. There's no design change... labeling it porsche doesn't change anything. Redrilling a housing to fit larger turbines is not new, and the only room for any different results is your assembler machining or bolting it together wrong -- which is not going to generate an upside result.

There is zero new tech and zero new design here, and it simply cannot generate more power with no increase in lag. There are zero patents, zero r&D, zero new anything. Porsche didn't change anything either. It didn't produce a different result the last time you made these claims, and it doesn't this time. No amount of inhouse data should make any difference to anybody, because it's not possible. You didn't even try to do anything new, at all. All you did was bolt together a hybrid BW turbo and then make a bunch of misleading data and false statements, again. It's really that simple.

[james 408]

There is some tech that could be used, new and old, that could at least help support a claim like that: ball bearings, titanium hybrid wheels, twin scroll or vvt designs... i mean you can kinda make those types of claims, or at least in the direction of those claims. But just doing the same thing we've been doing for 20+ years... then retracting that, proclaiming pjko4 greatness, then doing the same thing again... and every time just putting out garbage data with overtly false claims... like we've seen the dynos man, we've seen the drag races... and we'll see them again.

The sad part is people are getting ripped off, and that's what bugs me. A conscience in 2025, crazy... must have an ulterior motive right.

[craigt1985]

At least The Tuner are trying something new for our platform with their turbos that features the RS3 B03 core and larger hotside.