Aftermarket OEM Engine Mounts

[Blackcoog]

Has anyone ever tried or heard of anyone trying the aftermarket engine mounts that are popping up now for around $325 a mount? My passenger side mount is throwing a code so I need a mount. I'd rather pay ~$800 and not have to worry about any issues but I thought I'd ask to see if anyone else tried these other ones. Here is one on amazon but they can be found on eBay and other sites as well.

https://www.amazon.com/Topteng-Engin...0CQ894WTT?th=1

[Optimus247]

https://www.034motorsport.com/motor-...s6-s7-rs7.html

[Botbasher]

https://www.034motorsport.com/motor-...s6-s7-rs7.html

Can vouch for the 034 B8 versions. They were completely drop-in and only raised the NVH by a little bit at idle. Otherwise they were transparent.

I have not tried the 034 version for the C7, but I would imagine that they are on par with OEMs.

Cheers,

KS

[Barong02]

034 for the win. They're solid as opposed to fluid filled, so a bit rougher (honestly not really noticeable), but will last a whole lot longer than the standard 40-50k on OEM.

[poloshirt]

I’m in a similar situation and can’t decide which aftermarket road to take. Ideally I’d like to only pay for what I will use. 034 and ECS offer aftermarket solutions, but only sell in pairs. SRM offers individual mounts, but I’m afraid of the added NVH. Does anyone have experience running an aftermarket passenger mount AND the OEM driver side mount??

[jbain2]

Have used 034 mounts on several platforms. No issues.

If one mount is bad the other is likely not that far behind. Just do both at the same time.


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[Blackcoog]

I am not considering the 034 mounts because most are reporting added NVH. I feel like going with the aftermarket mount has a better chance of being closer to stock NVH than the 034 mounts and is significantly cheaper.

The passenger side mount is straight forward to remove/install and luckily it appears to always be the side that fails. The driver's side mount is much more difficult to get at so I'm only considering the passenger side at this point.

[WideSuppie]

Or ECS?

https://www.ecstuning.com/b-ecs-part...043658ecs01~a/

[jbain2]

I am not considering the 034 mounts because most are reporting added NVH. I feel like going with the aftermarket mount has a better chance of being closer to stock NVH than the 034 mounts and is significantly cheaper.

The passenger side mount is straight forward to remove/install and luckily it appears to always be the side that fails. The driver's side mount is much more difficult to get at so I'm only considering the passenger side at this point.

Having installed at least 5 sets of the 034 mounts I will say that the NVH while initially barely noticeable ends up being not noticeable very quickly. If you are dead set on getting a fluid filled mount, I’d stick with the OE ones, particularly if you are only doing just the 1 side. But as I said, if one is on its way out, the other isn’t far behind.


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[Botbasher]

I am not considering the 034 mounts because most are reporting added NVH. I feel like going with the aftermarket mount has a better chance of being closer to stock NVH than the 034 mounts and is significantly cheaper.

Um... sorry to break it to you , but 034 IS aftermarket! Just sayin!!

Anything not OEM is going to raise the NVH. Some are worse than others.

What ever you do... do both! Buy Once...Cry Once. I cannot imagine the idea of doing this job once and then doing it again 6mo later. The time costs alone... SMH.

Cheers,

KS

[brabenec]

I have driver side mount used from 15k car if anyone is interested.
200 USD + 75 USD shipping from EU

[Blackcoog]

I swapped in the passenger side mount in a few hours. It is a bit of a pain to pull it out but I'm sure I could do it much faster now. I ended up going with the cheaper "OE equivalent" liquid filled mount like I linked above. The stamping is identical all around. I'm pretty sure it is the actual supplier that VW/Audi uses for their mounts similar to how hitachi hpfp are the supplier to VW/Audi and then it just has a dealer markup.

My only issue is trying to code it to the car via VCDS. Has anyone coded a new mount? I found a ross tech thread on it here: https://forums.ross-tech.com/index.php?threads/28835/

These are the steps:
Procedure (Basic Setting after Replacement):
- Address BA (Motor Mounts (J931))
- Basic Settings - 08
- IDE03343-ENG121194 (Static calibration (Customer Service))
- Follow the Instructions on the Screen

My issue is that the test says running but never stops. I don't get an error or any instructions. I may have to post on the ross tech forums to see if I can get support there.

[Blackcoog]

After working through the VCDS issues in my last post I determined that the cheaper knock-off mount internal electronics do not communicate and will not vibrate like the OEM mount. I swapped the original torn mount back in and it works fine. I guess it isn't a huge surprise so I wanted to make sure others don't take that path if they want a fully functioning mount. I returned it for a refund and purchased 034 aftermarket solid mounts. My car is tuned and I have cylinder on demand disabled anyway. I plan to install both of the 034 mounts in the next day or two.

[A4x]

After working through the VCDS issues in my last post I determined that the cheaper knock-off mount internal electronics do not communicate and will not vibrate like the OEM mount. I swapped the original torn mount back in and it works fine. I guess it isn't a huge surprise so I wanted to make sure others don't take that path if they want a fully functioning mount. I returned it for a refund and purchased 034 aftermarket solid mounts. My car is tuned and I have cylinder on demand disabled anyway. I plan to install both of the 034 mounts in the next day or two.

Wow, good work. I can't believe you just casually swapped the old passenger mount back in, haha. Is there any DIY write-up that you used for guidance? How hard is it and how much more difficult do you think the driver's side will be?

[Audibellybutton]

instead of running the torn mount you should do what I did and fill them with 3M window weld. Its pretty much a permanent fix. stiffer than stock but no additional NVH 10/10 would recommend.

Got the idea from this guy and stuff we used to do on other platforms for mounts

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hSLMY0saPGU

also the 034 mounts will also have that issue where the soft code remains.

[Botbasher]

instead of running the torn mount you should do what I did and fill them with 3M window weld.

LOL!!!! Talk about a throw back! We used to do this to the motor mounts in my 84 VW A1 Jetta GLi. Uprated ones didn't exist and something had to be done!!!

The more things change, the more they stay the same and I would do that again in a minute!!

Cheers,

KS

[Blackcoog]

instead of running the torn mount you should do what I did and fill them with 3M window weld. Its pretty much a permanent fix. stiffer than stock but no additional NVH 10/10 would recommend.

Got the idea from this guy and stuff we used to do on other platforms for mounts

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hSLMY0saPGU

also the 034 mounts will also have that issue where the soft code remains.

I filled the passenger side mount with some sealant I had on hand as a stop gap for the week or so before I got the 034 mounts installed.

The 034 mounts took about 6-8 hours to install. Finding a place to support the car with jack stands was kind of a pain. Typically I use the subframe but since the subframe had to be dropped for the drivers side mount I had to find another jack support. I put stands back where the transmission brace bolts to the car on each side and that worked fine. My only issue with the 034 mounts was the electrical connectors epoxied into the mount. The connectors are pushed in a bit too far or had epoxy around them that prevented the stock harness connectors from engaging and locking into place. I sanded some material (1/8 inch maybe) off of the connectors on the harness side and was then able to get both sides to lock into place.

Here are a few images. One with the amazon engine mount brace that I would not recommend. The brace is too short for our cars by about an inch so I ended up supporting the engine from underneath.

[Botbasher]

One with the amazon engine mount brace that I would not recommend. The brace is too short for our cars by about an inch so I ended up supporting the engine from underneath.

Got a part number so we know which one to avoid?

Glad the rest of it went well though. It's a job we're all eventually going to have to do, so thanks for the pics and wisdom!!

Cheers,

KS

[poloshirt]

Did you follow the repair manual or the instructions provided by 034? Any issues us fellow DIYers should be aware of?

[stew44]

How do the 034 mounts feel?

[Blackcoog]

Got a part number so we know which one to avoid?

Glad the rest of it went well though. It's a job we're all eventually going to have to do, so thanks for the pics and wisdom!!

Cheers,

KS

The mount I purchased from ebay was listed under the OEM number. I'd avoid any mount that you don't get from a dealer. Everything on ebay and Amazon should be suspect, mostly because they are less than half the price. Some even say they come in the VW/Audi box but are likely repackaged aftermarket ones that won't function like the originals.

[Blackcoog]

Did you follow the repair manual or the instructions provided by 034? Any issues us fellow DIYers should be aware of?

I followed the 034 instructions which were great. I think there were a few typos but they are good enough to get you through the install.

There are increased vibrations at idle but it is hard to notice. I noticed it because I was expecting it but passengers haven't noticed when I've asked them. It's minimal.

[Akakios]

I followed the 034 instructions which were great. I think there were a few typos but they are good enough to get you through the install.

There are increased vibrations at idle but it is had to notice. I noticed it because I was expecting it but passengers haven't noticed when I've asked them. It's minimal.

How long did it take you if you don't mind my asking?

[poloshirt]

I followed the 034 instructions which were great. I think there were a few typos but they are good enough to get you through the install.

There are increased vibrations at idle but it is had to notice. I noticed it because I was expecting it but passengers haven't noticed when I've asked them. It's minimal.

Perfect. I just picked up the 034 mounts on sale and plan to do this job soon so I really appreciate you documenting your experience here.

Also FYI for anyone who is wanting to buy the 034 mounts. If you purchase them through FCPEuro you can apply their July 4th discount to get another $50 off. One hell of a deal!!

[WideSuppie]

It's same price on 034 as of now for Independent Day Sales.

[Blackcoog]

How long did it take you if you don't mind my asking?

It took me an hour or two to get the passenger side out. It took me a few more hours to drop the subframe and remove the driver's side. I'd estimate 6-8 hours.

[Akakios]

It took me an hour or two to get the passenger side out. It took me a few more hours to drop the subframe and remove the driver's side. I'd estimate 6-8 hours.

Appreciate it. I was debating between doing this in my driveway for a video or having a shop replace the pair. I have a pair of ECS Mounts waiting to go in.

[poloshirt]

Couple of things I want to add after completing this job myself

• Harbor freight 1000lb engine support bar worked perfectly and was long enough to rest on either side of the frame (OP's was not long enough). I used the rear set of engine hoist points connected directly to the engine support spindles (no chains) https://www.harborfreight.com/1000-l...ne+support+bar

• You can do this job on jack stands

• I purchased a cross beam jack adapter to help with lowering the subframe safely https://www.harborfreight.com/brands...eam-64051.html

• 034's provided install instructions tell you to lower the "transmission [jack]" roughly 1 inch. In my case I lowered the subframe 3.5 inches to give enough room to decouple the brackets and pull out the mounts

• The engine harness that is routed through the passenger side of the subframe should be pushed back through the hole in the subframe where the motor mount bolt is accessed. My passenger side mount kept getting caught on the harness.

• The engine mount bracket for the driver side mount is by far the trickiest to maneuver. I found it helpful to reach through the driver side wheel well (through the space between the subframe and frame) to pull up on the mount while pushing the bracket towards the rear of the car. There is a lot of free space behind the driver side axle near the auxiliary coolant pump.

• New tty bolts are a must
  
  Engine mount bolt - N91275001 x2
  Subframe bolt - WHT005657 x8
  Lower control arm bolt - N10241202 x2

[poloshirt]

My passenger side mount was smoked!

[A4x]

Couple of things I want to add after completing this job myself

• Harbor freight 1000lb engine support bar worked perfectly and was long enough to rest on either side of the frame (OP's was not long enough). I used the rear set of engine hoist points connected directly to the engine support spindles (no chains) https://www.harborfreight.com/1000-l...ne+support+bar

• You can do this job on jack stands

• I purchased a cross beam jack adapter to help with lowering the subframe safely https://www.harborfreight.com/brands...eam-64051.html

• 034's provided install instructions tell you to lower the "transmission [jack]" roughly 1 inch. In my case I lowered the subframe 3.5 inches to give enough room to decouple the brackets and pull out the mounts

• The engine harness that is routed through the passenger side of the subframe should be pushed back through the hole in the subframe where the motor mount bolt is accessed. My passenger side mount kept getting caught on the harness.

• The engine mount bracket for the driver side mount is by far the trickiest to maneuver. I found it helpful to reach through the driver side wheel well (through the space between the subframe and frame) to pull up on the mount while pushing the bracket towards the rear of the car. There is a lot of free space behind the driver side axle near the auxiliary coolant pump.

• New tty bolts are a must
  
  Engine mount bolt - N91275001 x2
  Subframe bolt - WHT005657 x8
  Lower control arm bolt - N10241202 x2

Good work! How is the NVH with the 034 mounts? Do you have 4 cylinder mode disabled? I see that is highly recommended, otherwise the vibrations in 4-cyl mode can be intense.

[poloshirt]

Good work! How is the NVH with the 034 mounts? Do you have 4 cylinder mode disabled? I see that is highly recommended, otherwise the vibrations in 4-cyl mode can be intense.

It’s quite comparable to the OEM setup with a busted passenger mount. Still very comfortable for daily driving. 034 recommends 250 miles to let the rubber break in so I’ll have to report back then. I do have COD disabled so can’t comment on NVH during 4 cyl mode.

[viper04]

It’s quite comparable to the OEM setup with a busted passenger mount. Still very comfortable for daily driving. 034 recommends 250 miles to let the rubber break in so I’ll have to report back then. I do have COD disabled so can’t comment on NVH during 4 cyl mode.

Thanks for the info.

[BuickTypeR]

Can vouch for the 034 B8 versions. They were completely drop-in and only raised the NVH by a little bit at idle. Otherwise they were transparent.

I have not tried the 034 version for the C7, but I would imagine that they are on par with OEMs.

Cheers,

KS

i am pretty happy with 034 motorsports mounts on 2nd pair and so far so good.

[joeyjazesmith]

i actually have the 034 mounts and was gonna put them on in next week or two. Turns out ECS has a sale where you get free mounts when you purchase a subframe brace from them. I most likely will put the ECS ones in and sell the 034 since they are new. Wanted to know if anyone had experience with the ECS mounts

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Appreciate it. I was debating between doing this in my driveway for a video or having a shop replace the pair. I have a pair of ECS Mounts waiting to go in.

How are the ECS mounts compared to stock? Any noticeable NVH?

[Nosferatu]

So 2 part question

I scanned with OBD11 and came up with issue on one of the mounts. I cleared the code and it came right back. With that said:

1.) I notice ZERO issues with driving the car. I'm assuming it's a soft code and to not worry about it. No errors or anything on the cluster. Essentially if I didn't have an OBD11 (or VCDS) I would be none the wiser. So leave it alone until a problem?

2.) I have an RS7 Performance not Prestige so the suspension is not air but that hydraulic system. Does that make any difference with going with aftermarket mounts like the ones listed from 034motorsport above?

2018 RS7 Performance

Thanks!

[poloshirt]

So 2 part question

I scanned with OBD11 and came up with issue on one of the mounts. I cleared the code and it came right back. With that said:

1.) I notice ZERO issues with driving the car. I'm assuming it's a soft code and to not worry about it. No errors or anything on the cluster. Essentially if I didn't have an OBD11 (or VCDS) I would be none the wiser. So leave it alone until a problem?

2.) I have an RS7 Performance not Prestige so the suspension is not air but that hydraulic system. Does that make any difference with going with aftermarket mounts like the ones listed from 034motorsport above?

2018 RS7 Performance

Thanks!

1. Hard to say at what stage of engine mount failure the soft code appears, but if you aren't having increased vibrations, knocking noises, or fluid leakage then its probably OK to leave alone for now.

2. Suspension type has no influence here. Just be cognizant that 4 cylinder mode will have significant NVH - I think most have it disabled so not a concern.

[Nosferatu]

1. Hard to say at what stage of engine mount failure the soft code appears, but if you aren't having increased vibrations, knocking noises, or fluid leakage then its probably OK to leave alone for now.

2. Suspension type has no influence here. Just be cognizant that 4 cylinder mode will have significant NVH - I think most have it disabled so not a concern.

1.) Okay I'm just going to leave it alone. For #1 I have no increased vibrations, knocking noises, or fluid leakage in my garage that I could tell. Just happened to see the code and went hmm....

2.) I'm tuned with DS1 and the car hasn't seen 4 cylinder mode in probably the last 3 or 4 years it runs solely in V8 mode. What's significant NVH?

[poloshirt]

For me, I only noticed fluid had leaked once I got under the car. It would be good to check next time you’re there.

[Blackcoog]

1.) Okay I'm just going to leave it alone. For #1 I have no increased vibrations, knocking noises, or fluid leakage in my garage that I could tell. Just happened to see the code and went hmm....

2.) I'm tuned with DS1 and the car hasn't seen 4 cylinder mode in probably the last 3 or 4 years it runs solely in V8 mode. What's significant NVH?

I never had increased vibrations when mine failed. I only had a code and I know these are known to go bad. If you get a code that means it has failed and unable to vibrate any more. It is likely torn open. You could run the vibration test to verify via VCDS. I'm not sure how long you'd want to run on a failed mount.

[A4x]

I never had increased vibrations when mine failed. I only had a code and I know these are known to go bad. If you get a code that means it has failed and unable to vibrate any more. It is likely torn open. You could run the vibration test to verify via VCDS. I'm not sure how long you'd want to run on a failed mount.

What other issues will the failed mount cause, if not NVH? I have the soft code and some fluid leakage from the passenger side. Nothing else is noticable.

I read through your posts and it seems like you did not have to drop the subframe to replace the passenger side mount. Is that correct? I'm beginning my research to DIY the passenger side (and possibly driver side, which for sure needs engine brace/subframe drop).

Thanks.