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    Have a B9.5 RS5 with the Dynamic Ride Optioned, Sitting on Contact Sport 6's from the factory.

    I constantly feel that the feedback i'm getting from the road during spirited driving is quite dull especially when trying to gauge grip levels in corners.

    I see plenty of people opting for pilot sports over the contact sports but it seems like a preference more than anything, at least as far as i can tell.

    Interested to know if anyone else feels the same way and what they have done to feel a bit more connected with the car.

    Cheers!

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    What pressures are you running? Even though I’ve got Michelins different pressures certainly change the way the car rides and handles. Currently I run 38 front and 36 rear. This has been my favorite combo thus far.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Zombie5150 View Post
    What pressures are you running? Even though I’ve got Michelins different pressures certainly change the way the car rides and handles. Currently I run 38 front and 36 rear. This has been my favorite combo thus far.
    It came from the dealer far too high, 40 maybe 41 psi front and rear.

    I since dropped them to about 37 in front 35 rear and noticed an improvement, might drop them a bit more as they are creeping back up as the weather warms up here.

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    Experiment until you find your sweet spot combo. I just had my car serviced and the tech pumped mine up to 47. I previously told the service writer to not worry about the pressures but evidently that got forgotten. The 20 mile drive home felt like I was riding on metal skateboard wheels, lol.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Zombie5150 View Post
    Experiment until you find your sweet spot combo. I just had my car serviced and the tech pumped mine up to 47. I previously told the service writer to not worry about the pressures but evidently that got forgotten. The 20 mile drive home felt like I was riding on metal skateboard wheels, lol.
    Your metal wheels analogy is the perfect description of what I have been feeling....

    I've always been a big fan of PS4s and couldn't decide whether it's just the continentals I don't like or a combination of things

    Will drop the pressures further and see how we go before I head down the PS4 route.

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    From personal experience on another car that came with the contis which I switched out to the ps4s, the pilots actually to me felt like they lost a bit of feel on center, it came back once the tire loaded up but the contis felt a little more natural to me, if you're really trying to get that darty steering with a progressive breakaway, maybe try the Bridgestone potenza sports, the michelins do have the best overall grip and will last much longer though. If you can find a BMW spec 4S in your size I would do that, the bmw spec tires tend to have much better turn in than the standard 4S


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    Quote Originally Posted by choy188 View Post
    From personal experience on another car that came with the contis which I switched out to the ps4s, the pilots actually to me felt like they lost a bit of feel on center, it came back once the tire loaded up but the contis felt a little more natural to me, if you're really trying to get that darty steering with a progressive breakaway, maybe try the Bridgestone potenza sports, the michelins do have the best overall grip and will last much longer though. If you can find a BMW spec 4S in your size I would do that, the bmw spec tires tend to have much better turn in than the standard 4S


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    Appreciate the response, I feel there may be a bit of trial and error before I manage to get it to feel "right"

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    Quote Originally Posted by Green_Gecko View Post
    Appreciate the response, I feel there may be a bit of trial and error before I manage to get it to feel "right"
    I'm in that same boat right now, a performance alignment would also help, Audi set the toe very far inwards on these cars from the factory, I just got one done and it feels a world apart


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    Quote Originally Posted by Green_Gecko View Post
    Hi Guys

    Have a B9.5 RS5 with the Dynamic Ride Optioned, Sitting on Contact Sport 6's from the factory.

    I constantly feel that the feedback i'm getting from the road during spirited driving is quite dull especially when trying to gauge grip levels in corners.

    I see plenty of people opting for pilot sports over the contact sports but it seems like a preference more than anything, at least as far as i can tell.

    Interested to know if anyone else feels the same way and what they have done to feel a bit more connected with the car.

    Cheers!
    I have a 2019 RS5 SB, so similar but not exactly the same car.

    The oem Continental SportContact6 tires provided a lot of traction in both wet and dry conditions, and did ok on a road course, but steering response was a bit sloppy. I would turn the steering wheel and wait a bit for the tires to respond. They did respond and they did have traction when they responded, but you had to plan on a slight delay in response.

    I have been using Michelin PS4S tires in the summer since the Continentals wore out. They wear better, are more responsive in turns, and have as similar or better traction, but the steering feel is still a bit numb. However, the car goes where you point it if the tire pressures are correct, and it corners much better than most road tests will lead you to believe, but you'll probably not get enough feedback through the steering wheel to drive at 10/10ths. Instead, you'll just notice the understeer if you push the car to its limit. Make sure your steering inputs are as smooth as possible to get the most front-end traction in turns, and use trail braking to enhance front end response as needed.

    For daily driving, the Continentals are more quiet. The Michelins make slightly more road noise and can make a lot of noise on some textured concrete surfaces. I found 39/32 was the best pressure for the Continentals. I currently use 39/33 with the Michelins, but can go as high as 41/35. If I maintain a 6 psi differential between front and rear, I have slight understeer in Comfort, neutral handling in Auto, and slight oversteer in Dynamic. Actually, 41/35 makes the front end much more responsive (e.g., twisty mountain road), but 39/33 provides a more comfortable drive.

    Start with the tire pressures in your manual for your specific car and tire sizes. For example, my car with 20" wheels is recommended at 38/32 (with less than a full load) even though the sticker on the door jams says 41/41. If I had the Dynamic Plus option (ceramic brakes), the recommended pressure is 41/36. I found 41/36 to produce too much oversteer in daily driving for my taste, but 41/35 works well for me. So, start with the pressures in your manual, monitor sidewall scraping after spirited driving, and adjust up or down to keep the amount of sidewall involvement in cornering appropriate (to the Michelin Man marker). See below:

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    Tyres and handling b9.5 rs5

    Quote Originally Posted by Dan99 View Post
    I have a 2019 RS5 SB, so similar but not exactly the same car.

    The oem Continental SportContact6 tires provided a lot of traction in both wet and dry conditions, and did ok on a road course, but steering response was a bit sloppy. I would turn the steering wheel and wait a bit for the tires to respond. They did respond and they did have traction when they responded, but you had to plan on a slight delay in response.

    I have been using Michelin PS4S tires in the summer since the Continentals wore out. They wear better, are more responsive in turns, and have as similar or better traction, but the steering feel is still a bit numb. However, the car goes where you point it if the tire pressures are correct, and it corners much better than most road tests will lead you to believe, but you'll probably not get enough feedback through the steering wheel to drive at 10/10ths. Instead, you'll just notice the understeer if you push the car to its limit. Make sure your steering inputs are as smooth as possible to get the most front-end traction in turns, and use trail braking to enhance front end response as needed.

    For daily driving, the Continentals are more quiet. The Michelins make slightly more road noise and can make a lot of noise on some textured concrete surfaces. I found 39/32 was the best pressure for the Continentals. I currently use 39/33 with the Michelins, but can go as high as 41/35. If I maintain a 6 psi differential between front and rear, I have slight understeer in Comfort, neutral handling in Auto, and slight oversteer in Dynamic. Actually, 41/35 makes the front end much more responsive (e.g., twisty mountain road), but 39/33 provides a more comfortable drive.

    Start with the tire pressures in your manual for your specific car and tire sizes. For example, my car with 20" wheels is recommended at 38/32 (with less than a full load) even though the sticker on the door jams says 41/41. If I had the Dynamic Plus option (ceramic brakes), the recommended pressure is 41/36. I found 41/36 to produce too much oversteer in daily driving for my taste, but 41/35 works well for me. So, start with the pressures in your manual, monitor sidewall scraping after spirited driving, and adjust up or down to keep the amount of sidewall involvement in cornering appropriate (to the Michelin Man marker). See below:

    TirePressureRear-33.jpg
    That's really interesting, I have an s5 Sportback and I run a 275/35/19 and I run 35/33psi on the street and when I autocross the car I usually up it to 39/36 I very rarely drive the car in comfort I just have my individual set to comfort for damping and engine but dynamic for sport diff and dynamic steering. I run the Bridgestone potenza sports right now and they have a fairly stiff sidewall which isn't great for ride but the turn-in is lightning fast combined with my near zero toe setting, I usually use make a chalk line on the shoulder of the tire to judge whether I should raise or lower pressures during autocross events since every layout is different


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    Quote Originally Posted by choy188 View Post
    That's really interesting, I have an s5 Sportback and I run a 275/35/19 and I run 35/33psi on the street and when I autocross the car I usually up it to 39/36 I very rarely drive the car in comfort I just have my individual set to comfort for damping and engine but dynamic for sport diff and dynamic steering. I run the Bridgestone potenza sports right now and they have a fairly stiff sidewall which isn't great for ride but the turn-in is lightning fast combined with my near zero toe setting, I usually use make a chalk line on the shoulder of the tire to judge whether I should raise or lower pressures during autocross events since every layout is different


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    I have had Bridgestone performance tires in the past on a Porsche, but never tried them on the Audi. My experience is that they are good performance tires at first, but rode like a washboard once they got to about 1/2 tread depth. I don't know if they are still constructing the tires in the same way, but there was a soft tread compound on top of a hard compound. They drove well until the soft compound was gone, then they were horrible. So, while they performed well at first, you only got to use about half of the tread depth before they needed to be replaced. Perhaps someone else can comment on current Bridgestone behavior as the tread wears down on their high performance tires.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dan99 View Post
    I have had Bridgestone performance tires in the past on a Porsche, but never tried them on the Audi. My experience is that they are good performance tires at first, but rode like a washboard once they got to about 1/2 tread depth. I don't know if they are still constructing the tires in the same way, but there was a soft tread compound on top of a hard compound. They drove well until the soft compound was gone, then they were horrible. So, while they performed well at first, you only got to use about half of the tread depth before they needed to be replaced. Perhaps someone else can comment on current Bridgestone behavior as the tread wears down on their high performance tires.
    Interesting, I'm not too surprised since I feel like my Pirellis did the same thing, michelins definitely won't, their whole ethos is total performance, but we'll see with the Bridgestones, I got them for an absolute steal so I'm not complaining either way


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    As Dan99 said 38 front and 32 rear is recommended. I've been playing around with pressures and am currently trying 37 front, 32 rear

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    Quote Originally Posted by workerONE View Post
    Dan99 has lots of experience so I'd take his suggestion. As he said, 38 front and 32 rear is recommended. I've been playing around with pressures and am currently trying 37 front, 32 rear
    I personally prefer a slight oversteer balance, especially with the lower speed nature of autocross, I'm sure on a road course it'd be a much different story, I don't like to push too hard on the street and I get more even wear out of my fronts at a lower pressure, it's all personal preference in the end, my tires also have a very high load index of 100 so that is another factor


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    Quote Originally Posted by workerONE View Post
    As Dan99 said 38 front and 32 rear is recommended. I've been playing around with pressures and am currently trying 37 front, 32 rear
    The manual for my car (2019 RS5 SB) with 20" wheels and a partial load, says 38/32. The pressures for your specific model and tire size, as stated in your manual, are a good place to start. However, manufacturers typically recommend pressures on the soft side to maximize ride comfort, so keep this in mind if you want to maximize performance.

    Personally, I like to drive in corners, take road trips to the mountains, and attend HPDEs each year (which include track time and autocross). Audis are not as track-focused as some other cars, so it takes attention to detail to have them behave as well as possible. Tires are the place to start. They are the only contact your car has with the road and the only way to get maximum traction is to have them inflated correctly. By that, I mean the air pressure in each tire must be such that it applies equal pressure across the entire tread surface. Too much air and the center of the tread will bulge slightly causing a loss of traction at the outer edges of the tires, and the center of the tread will wear prematurely. Too little air and the center of the tread surface will collapse somewhat, causing a loss of traction at the center of the tread, and the outer edges of the tire will wear prematurely. The right amount of air will push the entire tread surface evenly against the road, providing maximum traction and even tire wear. As a result, correct pressure will give you more traction during acceleration, in turns, and when braking.

    If you care about this level of performance, you have a couple ways to help you find the correct tire pressures for your specific car and how you drive. Start with the pressures in the manual, locate the performance marker on the tire sidewalls, mark the sidewalls with chalk near the marker, then drive aggressively through turns. If you scrape to the marker, your pressures are correct; if you scrape beyond the marker (onto the sidewall), your tires are under inflated; if you don't scrape to the marker, your tires are over inflated. Add or remove 1 or 2 psi until the sidewall involvement is where you want it when you drive aggressively, then allow the tires to cool and check the pressures when cold to find the amount of pressure you should try to maintain for maximum handling.

    This technique applies to daily driving and more aggressive settings, like a track. A road course puts extra stress on tires and they heat up, so you will probably have to let out some air (compared to daily driving) to maintain the correct amount of sidewall involvement during a track session. But, the principles are the same. You want the tread of the tire to lie as flat as possible against the road surface to maximize traction, and you add or remove air to accomplish that. Sidewall scraping is an easy way to monitor the results.

    If you are really into it and want to go to the next level, you can get a pyrometer and check tire temperatures across the tread surface. You check the temperatures at the inside, middle and outside of the tread surface. If the center of the tread is hotter, the tire is over inflated; if the outside edges are hotter, the tire is under inflated. The more even the temperatures across the entire surface, the more traction you will have. And, while high temperatures on both inside & outside edges can indicate under-inflation, high temperatures on only one edge (inside or outside) can indicate potential alignment considerations . But, we are pretty far into the weeds at this point.

    So, a lot of this depends on how you use your car, but the principles remain the same. The correct air pressure gives you the most traction in any situation. Spend a little time to find the pressures that work for your specific car and how you drive, then try to maintain those pressures as ambient air temperatures change.
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    Yeah for the s5 the comfort pressures are 35/32, thanks for all the info! My buddy has a pyrometer, should've borrowed it last time out since it was roasting hot out


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