TS1 turbos

[OhioS6]

Just wondering, does anyone daily drive TS1 turbos, i was reading that ball bearing turbos cause vibration to themselves and eventually will need rebuilt. So my question is, how many people daily drive their ball bearing turbos, and how many miles have you guys put on them? Looking at TS1 or +4’s obviously the bearing being the biggest difference .

Thanks in advance. Also feel free to chime in if you have a high mileage staged car, and how long youve been said stage.

[Evandoe]

Just wondering, does anyone daily drive TS1 turbos, i was reading that ball bearing turbos cause vibration to themselves and eventually will need rebuilt. So my question is, how many people daily drive their ball bearing turbos, and how many miles have you guys put on them? Looking at TS1 or +4’s obviously the bearing being the biggest difference .

Thanks in advance. Also feel free to chime in if you have a high mileage staged car, and how long youve been said stage.

I daily my ts1 turbo car. So far I have put a good 15k miles on them, 10k with a custom tune and meth and have had no issues as of yet with the turbos. Car is sitting in total at about 120k miles. I have been looking into pulling apart the turbos and checking them for oil buildup as supposedly someone in one of the facebook groups did so and found a decent amount of oil cooked into the turbo.


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[OhioS6]

I guess it should be noted, how often do you do oil changes?

[Evandoe]

I guess it should be noted, how often do you do oil changes?

Every 4-5k depending on how much racing i do


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[rlny]

I daily my ts1 turbo car. So far I have put a good 15k miles on them, 10k with a custom tune and meth and have had no issues as of yet with the turbos. Car is sitting in total at about 120k miles. I have been looking into pulling apart the turbos and checking them for oil buildup as supposedly someone in one of the facebook groups did so and found a decent amount of oil cooked into the turbo.


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Do you run E too or only meth? Does it make good power with the custom tune and the meth? How big of a difference with meth and custom tune as opposed to just ts1 and no custom tune.


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[Evandoe]

Do you run E too or only meth? Does it make good power with the custom tune and the meth? How big of a difference with meth and custom tune as opposed to just ts1 and no custom tune.


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Yeah i use e50 and im not sure about the power as ive never been dynoed but the car runs a low 6 60-130 on the street with a leaky intercooler and traps at 135 in the quarter. And the meth/custom tune took the car from an 8 sec 60-130 to where its at now so huge difference for me.


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[rlny]

Yeah i use e50 and im not sure about the power as ive never been dynoed but the car runs a low 6 60-130 on the street with a leaky intercooler and traps at 135 in the quarter. And the meth/custom tune took the car from an 8 sec 60-130 to where its at now so huge difference for me.


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Did you get the whole fuel line kit plungers and everything?


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[Evandoe]

Did you get the whole fuel line kit plungers and everything?


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Yeah i have an upgraded lpfp, both hpfps are 034 plungers, and -6an lines from the tank to the hpfps


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[sepheroth86]

Evandoe!

Come back!!!

[Audibellybutton]

Evan!

Come back!!!

Hes alive!!

on another note, I did take a peak at my HPA rs7 turbos that have been installed for like 40-50k miles now, I did see some oil caked onto the turbos. Nothing too alarming, and the turbos but are fine with no play in them, so full send until something happens i guess. But they are holding up nicely. Im not really sure why their was oil caked on to the turbo inlet. But hopefully it is not a sign of oncoming failure, I doubt it is though

[MattyMarkey]

Hes alive!!

on another note, I did take a peak at my HPA rs7 turbos that have been installed for like 40-50k miles now, I did see some oil caked onto the turbos. Nothing too alarming, and the turbos but are fine with no play in them, so full send until something happens i guess. But they are holding up nicely. Im not really sure why their was oil caked on to the turbo inlet. But hopefully it is not a sign of oncoming failure, I doubt it is though

If it’s oil on the driver side inlet, that’s very normal. That’s the side the PCV vents to. Happens on all of our cars. Some more than others, depending on the health of their PCV


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[Audibellybutton]

If it’s oil on the driver side inlet, that’s very normal. That’s the side the PCV vents to. Happens on all of our cars. Some more than others, depending on the health of their PCV


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Thats good to know, but what if someone maybe hypothetically saw oil caked on the passenger side turbo :0

(asking for a friend of course!)

[qcrazy]

It means your turbo is about to die. BTDT.
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You still running an oil screen?

[Audibellybutton]

It means your turbo is about to die. BTDT.
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You still running an oil screen?

Damn I wasnt planning to move to aliexpress ball bearing turbos so soon, but it seems my hand has been forced


and yeah I'm still running a screen, G revision. It was done before I got it, I wouldve ripped that thing out personally. Ill probably do that when I get new turbos

[pnky_s6]

Damn I wasnt planning to move to aliexpress ball bearing turbos so soon, but it seems my hand has been forced


and yeah I'm still running a screen, G revision. It was done before I got it, I wouldve ripped that thing out personally. Ill probably do that when I get new turbos

I have some Chinese rs7 turbos on the shelf as backups to my CTS rs7 turbos I'm currently running. I've been contemplating upgrading to some big boy Chinese turbos as my back ups instead. hmm...

[Audibellybutton]

I have some Chinese rs7 turbos on the shelf as backups to my CTS rs7 turbos I'm currently running. I've been contemplating upgrading to some big boy Chinese turbos as my back ups instead. hmm...

At first the chinese turbos were sort of taboo, people didnt want to run them and looked at you funny if you did lol but nowadays I actually know a lot of people that are running big chinese turbos and they are holding up flawlessly.

That being said, I cant live with myself if I pull these turbos out and dont upgrade them. I dont want to go too big so that I cant run full E or get too much lag, but I'm looking at something slightly bigger and with dual ball bearings instead of journal bearings.

As much as I dont want to believe my turbos are starting to go, Ive never felt too confident about how the newest G revison screen would hold up. I mean I wouldn't be surprise if they comeout with a new revision later. I'll opt for removing the screen permanently this time though.

[MattyMarkey]

At first the chinese turbos were sort of taboo, people didnt want to run them and looked at you funny if you did lol but nowadays I actually know a lot of people that are running big chinese turbos and they are holding up flawlessly.

That being said, I cant live with myself if I pull these turbos out and dont upgrade them. I dont want to go too big so that I cant run full E or get too much lag

Oh, quite a few will still look at you funny haha. I wouldn’t have any gripes running them though! I have a pair on the shelf as a “why the F not” set

Won’t be able to run full E with anything larger than stock S6/7 turbos.


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[THCarpenter]

I have pinnacle Stage 2's and they are a China Hybird TS1.5

nearly everything is Chy-Na manufactured.....and if you believe otherwise, I have a bridge to sell you

[Audibellybutton]

Oh, quite a few will still look at you funny haha. I wouldn’t have any gripes running them though! I have a pair on the shelf as a “why the F not” set

Won’t be able to run full E with anything larger than stock S6/7 turbos.


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Ive definitely heard that but I do have a theory that I will be able to run full E on rs7 turbos or close with hpfp upgrade and stock or rs7 lpfp. Ive seen Qcrazy running TS1 close to full E. When i say full E I mean as close to that as i can find/achieve so maybe e60-e75
I will be doing logging and testing. I am custom tuning my car, It is able to tolerate E40 with just LPFP fuel line upgrades so far so I will see how it does when I add the pistons and start bumping up the E

[OhioS6]

Rs7 turbos should be capable of full e85 with just plungers and lpfp lines. Highest i could find around me was e67

[pnky_s6]

My next move is e85 too. I ran full e85 like all the time on my STi but I know it's different on this platform. I'm still in the research phase of it to make 100% sure I get the right parts for it, whether it be running full e85 or just e50ish with my rs7 turbos.

[THCarpenter]

if you increase the E% really you should run the sensor and the LP Lines....just for less headache as I think the lines from the hard tubes around the engine to the rubber, are not PTFE and will get eaten up by Eth

[MattyMarkey]

Ive definitely heard that but I do have a theory that I will be able to run full E on rs7 turbos or close with hpfp upgrade and stock or rs7 lpfp. Ive seen Qcrazy running TS1 close to full E. When i say full E I mean as close to that as i can find/achieve so maybe e60-e75
I will be doing logging and testing. I am custom tuning my car, It is able to tolerate E40 with just LPFP fuel line upgrades so far so I will see how it does when I add the pistons and start bumping up the E

Rs7 turbos should be capable of full e85 with just plungers and lpfp lines. Highest i could find around me was e67

I guess everyone's definition of full E is a bit different lol. I wouldn't call E67 full E, I'd call it E67. I'm just a bit jealous because there isn't any ethanol around me for 50+ miles... Either way, highly doubtful you will be able to run anything above E70 with RS or larger turbo's. Sounds like both will be logging to figure out what's best!

[THCarpenter]

https://fueleconomy.gov/feg/ethanol.shtml

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/E85

https://afdc.energy.gov/files/u/publ...l_handbook.pdf

E85 is any blend that meets the E51 to E85

so anything from the pump, greater than E51 is considered "E85" (FlexFuel)....

A Note on Terminology: Flex Fuel and E85

“E85” is a term that technically refers to an ethanol fuel blend containing 15% gasoline and 85% ethanol.
By law, ethanol used for blending must contain at least 2% denaturant (a hydrocarbon or hydrocarbons in the gasoline boiling range) to make it unfit for human consumption. ASTM International (ASTM) D5798—a fuel quality standard—previously referred to this ethanol blend as E85. The blend is now referred to as “ethanol flex fuel” or “FFV fuel.”
For performance and reliability in various climates and seasons, ASTM D5798 allows a range of ethanol content between E51 to E83. Because of this variation in the allowable ethanol percentage, many in research and industry have begun using the term “flex fuel” rather than “E85.”

[MattyMarkey]

https://fueleconomy.gov/feg/ethanol.shtml

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/E85

https://afdc.energy.gov/files/u/publ...l_handbook.pdf

E85 is any blend that meets the E51 to E85

so anything from the pump, greater than E51 is considered "E85" (FlexFuel)....

A Note on Terminology: Flex Fuel and E85

“E85” is a term that technically refers to an ethanol fuel blend containing 15% gasoline and 85% ethanol.
By law, ethanol used for blending must contain at least 2% denaturant (a hydrocarbon or hydrocarbons in the gasoline boiling range) to make it unfit for human consumption. ASTM International (ASTM) D5798—a fuel quality standard—previously referred to this ethanol blend as E85. The blend is now referred to as “ethanol flex fuel” or “FFV fuel.”
For performance and reliability in various climates and seasons, ASTM D5798 allows a range of ethanol content between E51 to E83. Because of this variation in the allowable ethanol percentage, many in research and industry have begun using the term “flex fuel” rather than “E85.”

Can they please add the term "full E" to their definitions ;) haha

All that to say what is/should already be known: the E content at the pump varies. Though still based on the industry definition, "Full E" would be 85% E/15% Gasoline.

[THCarpenter]

yeah fuck the industry standard.


looking at you Duct Tape.....NOS......etc...lol

[Audibellybutton]

Can they please add the term "full E" to their definitions ;) haha

All that to say what is/should already be known: the E content at the pump varies. Though still based on the industry definition, "Full E" would be 85% E/15% Gasoline.

Yeah for me I'm just referring to as high of ethanol content as I can find lol

In theory I should be able to, I will try and see. But ive seen other examples of people doing the same. it really depends on the car and the logs so ill report back once im finished testing.

[MattyMarkey]

yeah fuck the industry standard.


looking at you Duct Tape.....NOS......etc...lol

Hey, you're the one posting the info... Get your shit straight haha.

What are you still doing in this forum anyway? Your greener pastures mind has been made up haha

[qcrazy]

Can they please add the term "full E" to their definitions ;) haha

All that to say what is/should already be known: the E content at the pump varies. Though still based on the industry definition, "Full E" would be 85% E/15% Gasoline.

Why does E85 count as "Full E"?

Technically "full E" would be ANP spec, which is typically referred to E100. However, it is really only ~E96 because that is the azetrope mixture of ethanol in fractional distillation. Can we consider E96 "full E" or must we go beyond distillation?

BTW, E85 is outside of the flex fuel spec. The flex fuel spec stops at E83. Ironically.

[MattyMarkey]

Why does E85 count as "Full E"?

Technically "full E" would be ANP spec, which is typically referred to E100. However, it is really only ~E96 because that is the azetrope mixture of ethanol in fractional distillation. Can we consider E96 "full E" or must we go beyond distillation?

BTW, E85 is outside of the flex fuel spec. The flex fuel spec stops at E83. Ironically.

Respectfully, you don’t always have to try to assert dominance by showing your brain power is greater than ours haha.

You’re proving my point anyway. Everyone’s definition of Full E is different, clearly.

If you want to continue to point out the differences that people can get a higher E content than E67 or 70, please by all means; still depends what is at their fueling station.

Sounds like we should just talk in Ethanol content anyway’s, instead of coming up with other terms that may mean something different depending on who you’re talking to.


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[THCarpenter]

Hey, you're the one posting the info... Get your shit straight haha.

What are you still doing in this forum anyway? Your greener pastures mind has been made up haha

just because the car doesnt exist, or does it? -Schrodinger

I still can be used for the greater good

[Evandoe]

just because the car doesnt exist, or does it? -Schrodinger

I still can be used for the greater good

Don’t tell me you’re switching to bmw or something


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[THCarpenter]

ok, I wont tell you

[aaronsananikone]

So, you guys seem very well versed in E.... I'm still fairly new to the platform and running E and have a question/scenario for you big brainers -

My S7's setup is:
RS7 OEM LPFP with Quicker Racing LPFP upgrade (Hellcat pump sidestrapped*)
LPFP lines (in engine only/not done from LPFP to engine yet, is from LPFP to engine necessary?*)
034 HPFP plungers

OEM S7 turbos now, looking to go RS7 or possibly +4 turbos

I run I.E's stage2 e85 tune now, and would go DS1 if/when I upgrade turbos, but my question is would I be able to run "Full E" on the RS7 turbos? As in my definition of "Full E" is I can pull up to just the E pump and ONLY pump E (yes I know each pump is variable from e60-e85*)? Or will I still need to blend down to a specific Ex0 (E50/60/etc/etc)? The reason I ask is Commiefornia doesn't do 93 octane anymore, and the E pump/fuel supplier I like to use (Propel Fuel) is a completely separate/station from the 91oct pumps, so I could see the filling up process quickly becoming an annoying one if I'm pumping X gallons of E, then driving across the street to top off another X gallons of 91...

I would imagine the +4mm turbos would definitely need a blend down due to their bigger diameter/larger boost levels? Thanks for helping a smooth brain commoner

[Audibellybutton]

So, you guys seem very well versed in E.... I'm still fairly new to the platform and running E and have a question/scenario for you big brainers -

My S7's setup is:
RS7 OEM LPFP with Quicker Racing LPFP upgrade (Hellcat pump sidestrapped*)
LPFP lines (in engine only/not done from LPFP to engine yet, is from LPFP to engine necessary?*)
034 HPFP plungers

OEM S7 turbos now, looking to go RS7 or possibly +4 turbos

I run I.E's stage2 e85 tune now, and would go DS1 if/when I upgrade turbos, but my question is would I be able to run "Full E" on the RS7 turbos? As in my definition of "Full E" is I can pull up to just the E pump and ONLY pump E (yes I know each pump is variable from e60-e85*)? Or will I still need to blend down to a specific Ex0 (E50/60/etc/etc)? The reason I ask is Commiefornia doesn't do 93 octane anymore, and the E pump/fuel supplier I like to use (Propel Fuel) is a completely separate/station from the 91oct pumps, so I could see the filling up process quickly becoming an annoying one if I'm pumping X gallons of E, then driving across the street to top off another X gallons of 91...

I would imagine the +4mm turbos would definitely need a blend down due to their bigger diameter/larger boost levels? Thanks for helping a smooth brain commoner

Whats the highest content you see right now when you run full E? Those propel pumps are really good, sometimes I see them testing at e80 or e85. Just wondering what you are seeing on yours in your area. That'll better help me answer your question.

[qcrazy]

You have to test to know for sure, because every car is different. Without testing you just dont know.

That said, on RS7's you will likely have no issue running "full E". Most people can run RS7 on E without any issue. I have seen a few with problems, but not very many. Hence, why you have to test.

+4's are similar to RS7's. Many people can run at, or near, "full E" on +4's. Again, you have to test to know for sure. Here is a post from my car on TS1's (stock LPFP).

On a side note, does IE have a map for the upgraded HPFP? I hope so, it is best to have the tune adjusted for the bigger plungers, otherwise it is made up in the fuel trims.

[MattyMarkey]

You have to test to know for sure, because every car is different. Without testing you just dont know.

That said, on RS7's you will likely have no issue running "full E". Most people can run RS7 on E without any issue. I have seen a few with problems, but not very many. Hence, why you have to test.

+4's are similar to RS7's. Many people can run at, or near, "full E" on +4's. Again, you have to test to know for sure. Here is a post from my car on TS1's (stock LPFP).

On a side note, does IE have a map for the upgraded HPFP? I hope so, it is best to have the tune adjusted for the bigger plungers, otherwise it is made up in the fuel trims.

"Full E" - we talking E70, E85, or E96?

Joking, but also serious. Let's talk ethanol content here, instead of a made up term... theoretical, if proper logging has been done

[qcrazy]

Haha

I thought the posters definition was actually pretty good. Each car is different, as is each pump.

...

As in my definition of "Full E" is I can pull up to just the E pump and ONLY pump E...

[IllusionalTA]

we have no control of the content, unless we're cutting it ourselves out of E100/98, or cutting it from 70 to 60 etc. i run e60 on my car, makes just about 750whp on TS1's, before i added the Extra LPFP, the car would lose FP even with lines, and such up at the top of 4th gear, prob sucking the bucket dry more so than the pump not keeping up, i made my kit, using a holley hydramat, and now i keep steady pressure through the entire pull, i haven't tried above 60ish, and dont know if i care to, as of yet, the benefits of 70 over 60 isn't that much to write home about and alot of folks get caught up in it.. I just run it down to 2 bars on the gauge, and slam 3-4 gallons of 93 in, and just fill the rest up with 85, or 70 or whatever trash is in there, and go for it, I use same station all the time so it's fairly consistent for me.

[Audibellybutton]

we have no control of the content, unless we're cutting it ourselves out of E100/98, or cutting it from 70 to 60 etc. i run e60 on my car, makes just about 750whp on TS1's, before i added the Extra LPFP, the car would lose FP even with lines, and such up at the top of 4th gear, prob sucking the bucket dry more so than the pump not keeping up, i made my kit, using a holley hydramat, and now i keep steady pressure through the entire pull, i haven't tried above 60ish, and dont know if i care to, as of yet, the benefits of 70 over 60 isn't that much to write home about and alot of folks get caught up in it.. I just run it down to 2 bars on the gauge, and slam 3-4 gallons of 93 in, and just fill the rest up with 85, or 70 or whatever trash is in there, and go for it, I use same station all the time so it's fairly consistent for me.

You have a beast setup! what tune are you running? its insane what the 4.0t can do on e85