034 cams

[613b8s4]

Since 034 just announced this new mod on their live feed I thought I’d make a thread to discuss.

I believe they said they will be sold as a package 4 cams valve springs and lifters.

Let’s discuss lol


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[Fresh.S4]

Hope everyone's also planning on doing chains while it's opened up.

Pretty cool though! I wonder if they are using 3.2 cams

[RoofRails]

I snatched this screenshot of their dyno. They didn't mention anything about the fuel lobe, though. I'm a little concerned about that. For anyone wondering about the naming below the graph , they said they tested several different profiles and named them by Stage. So this dyno was with their STG2 Cams (nothing to do with pulley ratio).

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[JRYtheS4]

Am I seeing ~50hp at peak? That's not bad. I'm sure the price is going to be insane.

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[RoofRails]

Am I seeing ~50hp at peak? That's not bad. I'm sure the price is going to be insane.

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It's a 30hp peak.

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[bakedziti]

Almost wish these were announced a couple of months ago being that I just had my timing chains and clutch & flywheel done, but this also seems like one of those mods that are completely overkill for a street car and reaching to keep us engaged on a decade old platform for minor gains after pulleys. I’m not complaining either because I love that companies like 034 are still interested in us, but I really wonder how much more we can benefit without further risk or sacrifice.

[JRYtheS4]

I want a coyote or ls swap kit that keeps the manual trans. Can we work on that? Should be good for at least minor gains..

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[EvolutionArmory]

I wonder what pricing is going to be.

If you look at Cat cams for the 2.7T you’re looking at 1700-2 grand for the 4 cams depending on where you buy them and about another 800 give or take for the valve springs. The 2.7T is probably the closest thing we could compare these to for possible pricing.

Could be very cool especially since the cams come with valve springs designed for the cams.

[RoofRails]

Almost wish these were announced a couple of months ago being that I just had my timing chains and clutch & flywheel done, but this also seems like one of those mods that are completely overkill for a street car and reaching to keep us engaged on a decade old platform for minor gains after pulleys. I’m not complaining either because I love that companies like 034 are still interested in us, but I really wonder how much more we can benefit without further risk or sacrifice.

I see this as the beginning of a turning point for this platform to make the next big move up in HP. 034 will be releasing rods and head studs. They already released better gaskets and have said fueling upgrades are coming. Mercracing announced 034 will be the sole tuner working with him to tune his TVS1900. Should be cool to see what the next ceiling will be for this platform.


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[Brokevw31]

It takes big $$ to play with the big boys but a cammed ported blower e40 dp car with port meth is gonna have a nasty top end though ! Screamer for sure

These cams should easily push wmi/ported boys to 500-550whp. It’s gonna take a lot of meth though!


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[bakedziti]

I see this as the beginning of a turning point for this platform to make the next big move up in HP. 034 will be releasing rods and head studs. They already released better gaskets and have said fueling upgrades are coming. Mercracing announced 034 will be the sole tuner working with him to tune his TVS1900. Should be cool to see what the next ceiling will be for this platform.

All fair points, but you have to ask yourself at what cost is this sustainable long term and how many do we think are willing to drop another $_K for these advancements? I hope whoever selects this route either is sponsored, does their own work, or some combination of the two because these aren't cheap jobs in terms of labor and it's highly unlikely to me that the kit you mentioned would run anywhere under $10K.

I'm tossing out these questions after sinking a bunch of money into my car for the work I mentioned in my last post, and honestly toward the end I started to question if the money would have been better spent on a CPO Macan Turbo w/ the performance package and a $1,200 tune. In the end I wasn't ready to give up the manual or have a car payment again.

[JRYtheS4]

All fair points, but you have to ask yourself at what cost is this sustainable long term and how many do we think are willing to drop another $_K for these advancements? I hope whoever selects this route either is sponsored, does their own work, or some combination of the two because these aren't cheap jobs in terms of labor and it's highly unlikely to me that the kit you mentioned would run anywhere under $10K.

I'm tossing out these questions after sinking a bunch of money into my car for the work I mentioned in my last post, and honestly toward the end I started to question if the money would have been better spent on a CPO Macan Turbo w/ the performance package and a $1,200 tune. In the end I wasn't ready to give up the manual or have a car payment again.

I'm just starting into my chain job at home. Couldn't stomach the outsourced labor.

Would love to see someone else spend money on these cams and that tvs1900 though. Once it's all tested maybe I'd consider an engine build in a few years.

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[RoofRails]

All fair points, but you have to ask yourself at what cost is this sustainable long term and how many do we think are willing to drop another $_K for these advancements? I hope whoever selects this route either is sponsored, does their own work, or some combination of the two because these aren't cheap jobs in terms of labor and it's highly unlikely to me that the kit you mentioned would run anywhere under $10K.

I'm tossing out these questions after sinking a bunch of money into my car for the work I mentioned in my last post, and honestly toward the end I started to question if the money would have been better spent on a CPO Macan Turbo w/ the performance package and a $1,200 tune. In the end I wasn't ready to give up the manual or have a car payment again.

I'm not sure if you are the first and only owner of your rig, but my hunch would be that most of these upgrades will find their way into the hands of used car purchasers who bought into the platform at a much lower initial cost than people who bought new. The whole perspective of "is this worth it" changes when you jump into a new to you B8 S4 for 20ish thousand and plan on enjoying it for a few years. The other thing I see is a lot of people who unfortunately had an engine failure and would love to have a catalog of good parts put back into their replacement while it's sitting on a pallet. So I don't think there will be any problems with demand for any of these new upgrades. As for the Mercracing 1900, all that will need is a few big dyno numbers to pop up on the internet, and people will be refinancing their used car loans to pay for theirs. But I could be wrong.

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[bakedziti]

I'm not sure if you are the first and only owner of your rig, but my hunch would be that most of these upgrades will find their way into the hands of used car purchasers who bought into the platform at a much lower initial cost than people who bought new. The whole perspective of this is worth it changes when you jump into a new to you B8 S4 for 20ish thousand and plan on enjoying it for a few years. The other thing I see is a lot of people who unfortunately had an engine failure and would love to have a catalog of good parts put back into their replacement while it's sitting on a pallet. So I don't think there will be any problems with demand for any of these new upgrades. As for the Mercracing 1900, all that will need is a few big dyno numbers to pop up on the internet, and people will be refinancing their used car loans to pay for theirs. But I could be wrong.

I'm not the first owner of my car, and I bought my car 4 years ago next month at ~$24K. Maybe I'm an outlier here with the added cost of my manual trans being that the clutch and flywheel were ~$2,500 before labor, but the parts cost for my clutch and timing with all associated hardware was just north of $5K and I'm not sure how many of these new broke-bois will be forking over another $5-10K for a new blower or refinancing when they barely want to invest in cooling....but I could be wrong and way less risk adverse than others around here, especially fiscally.

Time will tell and I'll be interested to see where this goes.

I'm just starting into my chain job at home. Couldn't stomach the outsourced labor.

Would love to see someone else spend money on these cams and that tvs1900 though. Once it's all tested maybe I'd consider an engine build in a few years.

I figured you'd chime in eventually, as I've come across a few of your posts recently mentioning that you're starting to looking into the work for timing. I'll just say for my situation with the clutch + flywheel and timing (not to mention our weather this time of year and a pair of B5s in the garage), I know I made the right choice in the end because the shop had to pull the trans again after buttoning everything up to swap in a new impulse rotor (PN# 059105189K) due to an intermittent start/no-start issue with no additional cost to myself. Granted I supplied all of the parts, but $6K in labor for piece of mind with all of the work (timing, clutch + flywheel, carbon clean) being completed correctly plus a 12/12 warranty and not fighting with the car in the cold garage was worth it to me if being I'm keeping the car long term.

[Nillious]

If you want to mod a car and have big power you cant look at it as is it worth it as an investment. You have to look at it as is it what you want and are you willing to pay for it. As an investment , no it is not worth it. You’re going to lose money period. I’m kind of getting tired of hearing how old the cars getting. It doesn’t matter how old the car is. People still put big money into old Hondas cause it’s what they want, not because it’s “worth it”. If I could have back every dollar I spent on car mods I could retire. But here I am still modding cars lol.

[BrokeBichB8]

The older inline 6 turbo bmw is making a killing on $3k turbo kits........there's that how n5x cult following of dudes trying to blow their bmws up by cranking the boost retardedly high. But with Cams, blower mods, and fueling its got so decent gains to be had.

[Fresh.S4]

It takes big $$ to play with the big boys but a cammed ported blower e40 dp car with port meth is gonna have a nasty top end though ! Screamer for sure

These cams should easily push wmi/ported boys to 500-550whp. It’s gonna take a lot of meth though!
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folks already claim 500hp with what we have now and over spraying meth..

All fair points, but you have to ask yourself at what cost is this sustainable long term and how many do we think are willing to drop another $_K for these advancements? I hope whoever selects this route either is sponsored, does their own work, or some combination of the two because these aren't cheap jobs in terms of labor and it's highly unlikely to me that the kit you mentioned would run anywhere under $10K.
I'm tossing out these questions after sinking a bunch of money into my car for the work I mentioned in my last post, and honestly toward the end I started to question if the money would have been better spent on a CPO Macan Turbo w/ the performance package and a $1,200 tune. In the end I wasn't ready to give up the manual or have a car payment again.

$15-20k for an s4, $10k for a new blower, $5-10k ?? for this cam kit, $1-3k for the generic bolt ons, couple $k for clutch, couple $k for all the other maintenance that needs to be done. and im not even gonna mention fueling....
you make a consistent 575hp and now your are at the limit again.
thats like newer used car pricing with a good warranty and resets the shelf life on productivity of what you further push the car.
ive been preaching since 2018 that this platform valuation needs to stay under $15k for it to progress for the masses. thats why 335i's are so great, that $10k valuation is much easier to swallow especially with the ease of modifications to break 500hp. most importantly, i still stick by the idea that a salvaged title s4 is more valuable than a clean titled for these exact cost progression developments.

like the blower, this is going to be a niche mod. not for the average person.
its still a toss up for the folks who blow up their engines and have to weigh financial options of throwing more at it or taking the hit and moving onto something else.
and for you automatic folks, you might as well ditch the platform and get into an s6/7

If you want to mod a car and have big power you cant look at it as is it worth it as an investment. You have to look at it as is it what you want and are you willing to pay for it. As an investment , no it is not worth it. You’re going to lose money period. I’m kind of getting tired of hearing how old the cars getting. It doesn’t matter how old the car is. People still put big money into old Hondas cause it’s what they want, not because it’s “worth it”. If I could have back every dollar I spent on car mods I could retire. But here I am still modding cars lol.

folks play with hondas because of the modular ability to play with parts with ease.
cars like this arent meant for that and it takes a very special financial commitment for someone to go that far.
when this platform hits the 15+ year mark (b8.5) that will be the test of time.


im sure that b8 network fb page has plenty of enthusiastic responses and i pray folks step up and buy into this because it will be exciting to learn about the stories that come from that.
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now per that episode, how is 034 going to add more fueling via tune when these come out? if its that easy and many folks complain about fueling problems now, why arent they adding more fuel with current toons? they mentioned a lpfp option (more money)... it would be very cool if they took control of the market and made their own mpi kit. :) :) :) :)

[JRYtheS4]

folks already claim 500hp with what we have now and over spraying meth..



$15-20k for an s4, $10k for a new blower, $5-10k ?? for this cam kit, $1-3k for the generic bolt ons, couple $k for clutch, couple $k for all the other maintenance that needs to be done. and im not even gonna mention fueling....
you make a consistent 575hp and now your are at the limit again.
thats like newer used car pricing with a good warranty and resets the shelf life on productivity of what you further push the car.
ive been preaching since 2018 that this platform valuation needs to stay under $15k for it to progress for the masses. thats why 335i's are so great, that $10k valuation is much easier to swallow especially with the ease of modifications to break 500hp. most importantly, i still stick by the idea that a salvaged title s4 is more valuable than a clean titled for these exact cost progression developments.

like the blower, this is going to be a niche mod. not for the average person.
its still a toss up for the folks who blow up their engines and have to weigh financial options of throwing more at it or taking the hit and moving onto something else.
and for you automatic folks, you might as well ditch the platform and get into an s6/7



folks play with hondas because of the modular ability to play with parts with ease.
cars like this arent meant for that and it takes a very special financial commitment for someone to go that far.
when this platform hits the 15+ year mark (b8.5) that will be the test of time.


im sure that b8 network fb page has plenty of enthusiastic responses and i pray folks step up and buy into this because it will be exciting to learn about the stories that come from that.
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now per that episode, how is 034 going to add more fueling via tune when these come out? if its that easy and many folks complain about fueling problems now, why arent they adding more fuel with current toons? they mentioned a lpfp option (more money)... it would be very cool if they took control of the market and made their own mpi kit. :) :) :) :)

Yeah I see you on these points. In the end it'd make more sense to get into a different platform then push it much further than where we're at now. I think these cams are for those people who want records for the platform or are already doing an engine build with rods/pistons. I'm glad to see tuners continuing to develop the car, however.

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[wootwoot]

Is there anyone here itching to get their hands on these? I'm curious how they'd perform on a ported blower setup.

[Fresh.S4]

i am very interested but im scared of the price because going this route would also force me to go ahead and replace the chain tensioners or whatever is needed since all that would be opened up.
but then im worried that to get the most out of these, porting the heads would make sense... then the possibility of needing that metal head gasket and studs..


but THEN theirs that fueling issue... ive never had any problems but the idea of also replacing the lpfp comes up (ive got 133k on mine, so i mean it makes sense to replace that in general i think)

so much cost involved in this..

[613b8s4]

I plan on buying another 3.0t motor and slowly building it with all these mods. maybe in 2-3 years swap it in

[034Motorsport]

folks already claim 500hp with what we have now and over spraying meth..



$15-20k for an s4, $10k for a new blower, $5-10k ?? for this cam kit, $1-3k for the generic bolt ons, couple $k for clutch, couple $k for all the other maintenance that needs to be done. and im not even gonna mention fueling....
you make a consistent 575hp and now your are at the limit again.
thats like newer used car pricing with a good warranty and resets the shelf life on productivity of what you further push the car.
ive been preaching since 2018 that this platform valuation needs to stay under $15k for it to progress for the masses. thats why 335i's are so great, that $10k valuation is much easier to swallow especially with the ease of modifications to break 500hp. most importantly, i still stick by the idea that a salvaged title s4 is more valuable than a clean titled for these exact cost progression developments.

like the blower, this is going to be a niche mod. not for the average person.
its still a toss up for the folks who blow up their engines and have to weigh financial options of throwing more at it or taking the hit and moving onto something else.
and for you automatic folks, you might as well ditch the platform and get into an s6/7



folks play with hondas because of the modular ability to play with parts with ease.
cars like this arent meant for that and it takes a very special financial commitment for someone to go that far.
when this platform hits the 15+ year mark (b8.5) that will be the test of time.


im sure that b8 network fb page has plenty of enthusiastic responses and i pray folks step up and buy into this because it will be exciting to learn about the stories that come from that.
.
.
.
.
now per that episode, how is 034 going to add more fueling via tune when these come out? if its that easy and many folks complain about fueling problems now, why arent they adding more fuel with current toons? they mentioned a lpfp option (more money)... it would be very cool if they took control of the market and made their own mpi kit. :) :) :) :)

As stated previously, we will not be developing/tuning for an MPI kit at this time.

As per our Instagram Post last night:

Be on the lookout for some new developments from 034Motorsport later this year that will put these new engine components to the test!

As with all of our previous developments, we will tease when we are in a place to. We teased ALC, we teased the S34 Intake System, and we teased the cams.

There are people who will go deep into this platform, and there are people who will not. We feel as though there is a strong market of people who wish to take their B8's to the next level, and we are supporting them graciously with these new parts to help push the platform to the next level (Available Now: Rods, Studs, Head Gaskets with Cams and more coming soon, not to mention support for the TVS blower).

When you look at BMW chassis markets, the same can be said there. A significant majority of customers will stick with Stage 1/2 stuff on stock turbos, maybe dabble in some ethanol if they can. Then there are the select few who wish to take the car to the next level with single turbo kits, new manifolds, etc etc...

The 034Motorsport Catalog for the B8 platform aims to offer our customers a holistic modification path - this means that you could hop on our site and purchase everything/nearly everything that you would want/need to modify your car. Everything from springs, sway bars, control arms, and end links to engine components, tuning, engine bolt-ons, drivetrain components, wheels, and brake upgrades are offered on our catalog. We hope to support everyone in their modification paths for the B8/B9 platform, regardless of how far they'd like to take their cars.

Hope this helps!

-Sean@034

[613b8s4]

034 FTW!!!!!

As stated previously, we will not be developing/tuning for an MPI kit at this time.

As per our Instagram Post last night:



As with all of our previous developments, we will tease when we are in a place to. We teased ALC, we teased the S34 Intake System, and we teased the cams.

There are people who will go deep into this platform, and there are people who will not. We feel as though there is a strong market of people who wish to take their B8's to the next level, and we are supporting them graciously with these new parts to help push the platform to the next level (Available Now: Rods, Studs, Head Gaskets with Cams and more coming soon, not to mention support for the TVS blower).

When you look at BMW chassis markets, the same can be said there. A significant majority of customers will stick with Stage 1/2 stuff on stock turbos, maybe dabble in some ethanol if they can. Then there are the select few who wish to take the car to the next level with single turbo kits, new manifolds, etc etc...

The 034Motorsport Catalog for the B8 platform aims to offer our customers a holistic modification path - this means that you could hop on our site and purchase everything/nearly everything that you would want/need to modify your car. Everything from springs, sway bars, control arms, and end links to engine components, tuning, engine bolt-ons, drivetrain components, wheels, and brake upgrades are offered on our catalog. We hope to support everyone in their modification paths for the B8/B9 platform, regardless of how far they'd like to take their cars.

Hope this helps!

-Sean@034

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yea I agree wit u 1000%

i am very interested but im scared of the price because going this route would also force me to go ahead and replace the chain tensioners or whatever is needed since all that would be opened up.
but then im worried that to get the most out of these, porting the heads would make sense... then the possibility of needing that metal head gasket and studs..


but THEN theirs that fueling issue... ive never had any problems but the idea of also replacing the lpfp comes up (ive got 133k on mine, so i mean it makes sense to replace that in general i think)

so much cost involved in this..