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    New to Audi, what tools should I own?

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    Asking because I am new to Audi, but what are some of the specific tools I should invest in to keep me running and out of the shop? Proud owner of a 2012 A4 Avant and want to keep it around a while.

    Are there specific code scanners that are better than others?
    Tools for maintenance that are needed?
    Audi Specific things that I should get?

    I'm not looking to outfit a repair shop, so lets not go crazy, but if there is something that is going to make oil changes, fluid changes, and general maintenance much easier, I would like to consider buying them before I get half way into removing something and find out I needed a specific tool.

    Thanks for the advise, hopefully some of the folks here can provide some great information to keep me on the road!

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    I would definitely get VCDS right off the bat. Comes with an OBD cable that you plug into your laptop and load VCDS software on. You can access all modules, do long coding, and pretty much 99% of what a dealer can do. Tripple squares, torx, and hex sockets are a great investment and you should be able to work on almost everything. Only thing I can think of is that con rods use inverted torx but I don't think you'll ever get that deep into the engine.

    This video from HumbleMechanic is also good: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l2vbdqTRF6A

    Here are the sockets I use:

    Tripple square
    Torx sockets
    Hex sockets

    Also cut the upper half of the loop off from your oil dipstick. I forgot to do that and everytime I closed the hood on my car it would smash the dipstick down. Eventually cracked my dipstick tube and caused an intake leak. B8s never came with dipsticks and because of that the VW equivalent is too tall for our Audis.
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    @mydimeisup has a great list

    i'm a Apple guy, no PC experience at all.
    I am using a Foxwell NT510E (VAG) to do all the coding, clear service codes, diagnostics, etc
    It is more tedious going through menus but pretty powerful for the price.
    They may have a more updated VAG unit so browse if you go this route.

    btw, love the Avant! Wish they still sold them
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    Very clean car. Congrats. Small, medium and large torque wrenches are needed. If you are compulsive about torque specs, some of the torque specs are pretty low around this car. For those 1.5 to 20 Nm tightening specifications I have a click style torque wrench set for bicycles with a torque range of 1 to 25 Newton-meters. The bicycle torque wrench sets usually come bundled with bits for around 60 bucks and can be found at your local bike shop or your favorite online book sellers and auction sites.

    Triple square bolt heads are all over these cars. A set of 'stubby' triple square sockets can be very handy.

    An extra-small, flex-head 1/4" ratchet gets used a lot.

    For regular maintenance, a fluid extractor saves the pain of dropping the belly pan for oil changes. Speaking of oil changes - keep an eye on the baffle that sits inside the oil fill hole - that thin metal plate is held in place by only a couple metal tabs folded over the main valve cover assembly and has been known to get knocked into the cam tray, maybe by an overly aggressive oil change tech. Very bad, very expensive damage results.

    VAG has plenty of specialty tools for these cars. Luckily if the need arises to acquire one or more of the hand tools most of them have less costly knock-offs available. Baum usually makes a high quality product. Schwaben tools, IMO, are adequate for the guy working on his own stuff but will not stand up to a lot of use. I'm one of those guys and own products from both companies. Also speaking from experience, the knock-offs from China are a gamble concerning fit and quality, and the potential to get burned and put the project on an unneeded pause is one to consider.

    The best tool you can buy right now, though, is a one day subscription at https://erwin.audiusa.com and order the Factory Service Manuals for your VIN. I think it's $35. On the top navigation menu for the page, point your mouse to "My Account" and select "Subscriptions". I don't remember much past that point, but you're a grown up; you'll figure it out. You will also want to sort and categorize them once you have them downloaded.

    For parts research, if you can get your hands on the ETKA, or electronic parts catalogue, it's way faster than trying to navigate AudiParts, ECS, FCP, et al. If you can't get your hands on one, there is an online alternative. It appears to be from Russia, maybe, and it's slow to open. I dunno, I'm weird, so I clear my browser cache and history and connect through a VPN and a new, sandboxed VM before I go here: https://audi.7zap.com/en/usa/ . Once it is open, the site operates at decent speed. I only use it to look at assemblies and derive part numbers which I then use to shop at my favorite vendors.

    The FSM's have all of the procedures and diagnostics laid out, including torque specs, but do not have part numbers. The ETKA has part numbers but no other info. When you are doing your research and work you'll bounce around between different sections and even different FSM's (some steps here, some steps there). You will want to pay attention to whether bolts are TTY, or torque to yield, which must be replaced with new if removed. There are a fair amount of these bolts on the car, and they are designed to be stretched into place only once. You'll want to order the correct bolts before you start pulling parts. Otherwise you'll find yourself waiting two days for new bolts to arrive.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MongoMcG View Post
    Very clean car. Congrats. Small, medium and large torque wrenches are needed. If you are compulsive about torque specs, some of the torque specs are pretty low around this car. For those 1.5 to 20 Nm tightening specifications I have a click style torque wrench set for bicycles with a torque range of 1 to 25 Newton-meters. The bicycle torque wrench sets usually come bundled with bits for around 60 bucks and can be found at your local bike shop or your favorite online book sellers and auction sites.

    Triple square bolt heads are all over these cars. A set of 'stubby' triple square sockets can be very handy.

    An extra-small, flex-head 1/4" ratchet gets used a lot.

    For regular maintenance, a fluid extractor saves the pain of dropping the belly pan for oil changes. Speaking of oil changes - keep an eye on the baffle that sits inside the oil fill hole - that thin metal plate is held in place by only a couple metal tabs folded over the main valve cover assembly and has been known to get knocked into the cam tray, maybe by an overly aggressive oil change tech. Very bad, very expensive damage results.

    VAG has plenty of specialty tools for these cars. Luckily if the need arises to acquire one or more of the hand tools most of them have less costly knock-offs available. Baum usually makes a high quality product. Schwaben tools, IMO, are adequate for the guy working on his own stuff but will not stand up to a lot of use. I'm one of those guys and own products from both companies. Also speaking from experience, the knock-offs from China are a gamble concerning fit and quality, and the potential to get burned and put the project on an unneeded pause is one to consider.

    The best tool you can buy right now, though, is a one day subscription at https://erwin.audiusa.com and order the Factory Service Manuals for your VIN. I think it's $35. On the top navigation menu for the page, point your mouse to "My Account" and select "Subscriptions". I don't remember much past that point, but you're a grown up; you'll figure it out. You will also want to sort and categorize them once you have them downloaded.

    For parts research, if you can get your hands on the ETKA, or electronic parts catalogue, it's way faster than trying to navigate AudiParts, ECS, FCP, et al. If you can't get your hands on one, there is an online alternative. It appears to be from Russia, maybe, and it's slow to open. I dunno, I'm weird, so I clear my browser cache and history and connect through a VPN and a new, sandboxed VM before I go here: https://audi.7zap.com/en/usa/ . Once it is open, the site operates at decent speed. I only use it to look at assemblies and derive part numbers which I then use to shop at my favorite vendors.

    The FSM's have all of the procedures and diagnostics laid out, including torque specs, but do not have part numbers. The ETKA has part numbers but no other info. When you are doing your research and work you'll bounce around between different sections and even different FSM's (some steps here, some steps there). You will want to pay attention to whether bolts are TTY, or torque to yield, which must be replaced with new if removed. There are a fair amount of these bolts on the car, and they are designed to be stretched into place only once. You'll want to order the correct bolts before you start pulling parts. Otherwise you'll find yourself waiting two days for new bolts to arrive.
    Totally forgot about erWin. Yes definitely get a 1-day subscription and download all the PDFs
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    You don't need much of a PC laptop to run VCDS. I'm using a cheap Dell Inspiron 11 I3180 with 4GB memory and 32 GB of eMMC flash storage, running WIN10 Home, driven by a 2 core 1.6GHz AMD A6-9220e (from 2018), and the storage is compressed (my choice, since the storage is so limited) which robs precious CPU time. But this toy has no problems running VCDS, and for custom tuning it easily handles the VCM Suite software and dongle. Plus if someone steals it from the front seat of the car its no great loss. I bought it to use as a TV remote, but it was horrible and the laptop has been on the shelf for three years. You can find refurbished units for less than $200.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MongoMcG View Post
    You don't need much of a PC laptop to run VCDS. I'm using a cheap Dell Inspiron 11 I3180 with 4GB memory and 32 GB of eMMC flash storage, running WIN10 Home, driven by a 2 core 1.6GHz AMD A6-9220e (from 2018), and the storage is compressed (my choice, since the storage is so limited) which robs precious CPU time. But this toy has no problems running VCDS, and for custom tuning it easily handles the VCM Suite software and dongle. Plus if someone steals it from the front seat of the car its no great loss. I bought it to use as a TV remote, but it was horrible and the laptop has been on the shelf for three years. You can find refurbished units for less than $200.
    Any mobile or MAC options that are worth a damn? I don't think I have had a PC laptop in the house in more than a decade.

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    ObdEleven for coding, a hydraulic lift to lift your tires off the ground, and a fair amount of sockets and wrenches, is what you'll need.

    Torque wrench is definitely not a must. They are needed, if you want to rebuild an engine, but since you're not going to be doing that.... I've made a complete engine swap, and not even VAG shop's aren't using torque wrench, for regular maintenance, so you don't need one.

    Just go slow and steady, purchase tools as time needs to. The first thing you should be doing, is getting rid of the air filter, and reinstall the original one.
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    Harbor Freight is your friend. Torque wrenches and tons of sockets in all sizes at dirt cheap prices. I only use impact sockets as they are virtually indestructible. Get some extensions for your socket wrenches and a breaker bar if you plan on doing any suspension work or CV joint repairs. Rhino Ramps are great for doing any work under the car. A set of jack stands is also good to have on hand. Metric wrenches in all sizes, but most sets seem to lack either 16mm or 18mm sizes and you will find that you will need one or the other from time to time. I believe you can use a 5/8" wrench or socket in place of a 16mm, but you'll still need the 18mm. Screwdrivers, nut drivers, pliers, and vice grips are also a must. You can make oil changes a lot less messy by using a fluid extractor.

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    Thanks for the assistance and information folks. I’ve got quite the selection of tools already and have been wrenching and doing some light maintenance for years in my Honda and Subaru vehicles. Things like triple squares and Torxs bits are the types of tools that I just don’t have, so thanks for the tips! Any suggestions or recommendations on pumps for oil changes? Removing the belly pan every time seems like a pain in the ass.

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    I use the Schwaben 6 liter fluid extractor (part #007221SCH01A) and can recommend. Here's a random review...
    https://thebuildjournal.com/reviews/...ractor-review/

    There are models that use an air compressor, but the hand pump model keeps it simple and quick. The tool can be used for brake bleeding and other tasks. There is an accessory set of different diameter tubes for 20 bucks. I've not yet needed the accessory set for regular maintenance.
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    Quote Originally Posted by A4B8 2.0tfsi View Post
    ObdEleven for coding, a hydraulic lift to lift your tires off the ground, and a fair amount of sockets and wrenches, is what you'll need.

    Torque wrench is definitely not a must. They are needed, if you want to rebuild an engine, but since you're not going to be doing that.... I've made a complete engine swap, and not even VAG shop's aren't using torque wrench, for regular maintenance, so you don't need one.

    Just go slow and steady, purchase tools as time needs to. The first thing you should be doing, is getting rid of the air filter, and reinstall the original one.
    I would steer clear of OBDeleven. It used to be my go-to recommendation and now I actively recommend people to get VCDS instead. OBDeleven used to be a buy-it-own-it deal. Now you have to buy the dongle for > $100, then pay a year subscription to use all features, and it seems like they don't even give a damn about the app. Its been over 2 years of them saying they'll add graphing capabilities. They switched to a subscription-based model and won't even deliver on promises they've been making for years.
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