04 USP

[Fiction1990]

Anybody in the Vegas area. Vegas pic a part has an 04 red sedan usp.

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[Gunnarrrrr]

There’s also a red USP 04 sedan a guy is selling for $1500 with some minor issues. 128k miles but it’s a 3.0, imo 3.0 just means more standard options.

It’s out in the middle of nowhere though, near fresno & merced area.

https://merced.craigslist.org/cto/7568390425.html


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[Spike00513]

There’s also a red USP 04 sedan a guy is selling for $1500 with some minor issues. 128k miles but it’s a 3.0, imo 3.0 just means more standard options.

It’s out in the middle of nowhere though, near fresno & merced area.

https://merced.craigslist.org/cto/7568390425.html


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-worst engine they ever made
-automatic
-red
-sedan
-needs to be towed "because bald tires"
-owned by someone who didn't believe in tread
-in merced

doesn't get worse than that

[Gunnarrrrr]

-worst engine they ever made
-automatic
-red
-sedan
-needs to be towed "because bald tires"
-owned by someone who didn't believe in tread
-in merced

doesn't get worse than that

I agree with every single point you just made.

Idk there’s definitely some psychopaths on here that think red is a nice color, and wouldn’t mind a clean usp shell for $1000 to swap a new drivetrain into. could make a good 4.0tt swap project for someone. personally i’d pay $800 for it. maybe.

the 3.0 goes straight in the trash upon delivery.

The only good 3.0 is the cast iron sleeved b9 3.0 🫡


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[itsmatt33]

easier to go 2.7 from 3.0

[Mike Tries]

Curious... what's wrong with the 3.0 motor?

[Spike00513]

Curious... what's wrong with the 3.0 motor?

[Gunnarrrrr]

Curious... what's wrong with the 3.0 motor?

imagine the b5 2.8, but somehow just as slow, and except this time everything breaks all the time


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[Mike Tries]

Lol got it

[EuroxS4]

I agree with every single point you just made.

Idk there’s definitely some psychopaths on here that think red is a nice color, and wouldn’t mind a clean usp shell for $1000 to swap a new drivetrain into. could make a good 4.0tt swap project for someone. personally i’d pay $800 for it. maybe.

the 3.0 goes straight in the trash upon delivery.

The only good 3.0 is the cast iron sleeved b9 3.0 🫡


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B9 3.0 is a bigger pile of shit than that 3.0. B9 3.0 suffers from rocker arms failure and rattles. Both piles of shit, Go VRT or 07K and call it a day although 4.0TT is not a bad option either.

[Gunnarrrrr]

B9 3.0 is a bigger pile of shit than that 3.0. B9 3.0 suffers from rocker arms failure and rattles. Both piles of shit, Go VRT or 07K and call it a day although 4.0TT is not a bad option either.

My warranty expired last month you take that back right now


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[EuroxS4]

My warranty expired last month you take that back right now


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When the warranty expires it means its time to get rid of it. You ever play hot potatoe? Same concept,lol.

[Gunnarrrrr]

When the warranty expires it means its time to get rid of it. You ever play hot potatoe? Same concept,lol.

Too late, already did the opposite by dumping another 10k into mods and getting it ready for the tte810

I’ll take a bad rocker arm over a bhf timing chain or any bottom end stuff like brittle rods and pistons any day. as long as the bottom end is happy i’m happy. broken stuff in the cylinder heads is just cost of doing business at this point

Now my b6 s4 with the original timing chains, that’s a hot potato. thank god I just sold it


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[Kevin C]

Audi’s Older 2.0-Liter TFSI Engine Most Likely to Need Rebuild: Consumer Reports

https://www.thedrive.com/tech/33784/...nsumer-reports

CR’s research found that the problems develop at higher mileage, typically between 107,000 and 153,000

The 2.0 TFSI engine was blamed for so many issues that a settlement was issued to owners unlucky enough to own an Audi with one under the hood. The successful lawsuit covered 2009-2011 Audi A4s, the 2010-2011 A5, and the 2011 Q5 for a total of 126,000 vehicles.

[EuroxS4]

Audi’s Older 2.0-Liter TFSI Engine Most Likely to Need Rebuild: Consumer Reports

https://www.thedrive.com/tech/33784/...nsumer-reports

Don't worry there a new class action lawsuit for 2012-2017 2.0TFSI engines.... so the bullshit continues. The law suit just isn't settled yet. Long story short oil consumption continues.

[EuroxS4]

Too late, already did the opposite by dumping another 10k into mods and getting it ready for the tte810

I’ll take a bad rocker arm over a bhf timing chain or any bottom end stuff like brittle rods and pistons any day. as long as the bottom end is happy i’m happy. broken stuff in the cylinder heads is just cost of doing business at this point

Now my b6 s4 with the original timing chains, that’s a hot potato. thank god I just sold it


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Rocker arms are the least of your issues. I have seen plenty of bottom ends fails on new B9 when they came out ton of metal in the oil. Initially production issues with wide tolerance range was the issue. That's what you get when you buy a car assembled in Mehico. Arriba!!!!!!!!!! However miracles do happen....

[Mike Tries]

My warranty expired last month you take that back right now


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Hi, I'm Tim from dealer services. What's the year, make, and model of the vehicle?

[Mike Tries]

As a newish Audi guy (whose first Audi engine rests on a stand in my garage), am I going to have to learn a phrase like "Audi doesn't make bad engines. They make good ones, and good engines require occasional rebuilds."?

[Kevin C]

As a newish Audi guy (whose first Audi engine rests on a stand in my garage), am I going to have to learn a phrase like "Audi doesn't make bad engines. They make good ones, and good engines require occasional rebuilds."?

The 1.8T is a good engine. Some others have been a disaster. Even the worst can be serviceable if you know what your doing. In my opinion the 3.0's issues are way over blown. It's not perfect but plenty of people run them with limited problems. It got a bit of a black eye early on with cam hardening issues. At this point I'm pretty sure that any one with a soft cam is long gone. The B7 2.0T had a HPFP lobe problem. If it fails it puts a lot of hardened metal bits that make it past the oil filter. Those motors lost the cam follower way more often than the 3.0 had problems. They also had a ring sticking issue. That motor was an early GDI. GDI increase the soot load and ring clogging. The soot also works with the EP additives to prematurely wear parts like timing chains. They also have the inlet valve clogging issue.

The B8 2.0T continued the B7's issues with a cam gear tensioner recall and more oil consumption issues.

The issue with the B7 2.0T engine is the oil pump costs about $1800 for just the part and you cant check the bearings to know if they are scored from the cam follower. Sure you can fix one but its expensive.

The later engines had a number of design improvements but also introduced new problems.

What do see is many on the forums only see things in black and white, yes or no. It's completely bad or its good. If its in the good category many issue are overlooked because its good. Reality is a bit more complex, there are pro and cons and most things are a compromise. ITs up to the builder to figure out a solution. On the 1.8T its get a German cast head (not the coscast one). On the 2.0 in the B7 people check the cam follower more often.

On my other vehicle I have what was considered at the time on of the worst engines built. The Mitsubishi 2.6 L G54B 4 with a turbo. Know of loosing oil pressure and spitting out Balance shafts, cracking heads and loosing head gaskets. A decent build and a bit of extra work and it can hold up just fine. I have 20 years on the last build and its still going strong.

What does suck is if you bought one of the later Audi's new or used and get the expensive surprise that it needs a new motor that costs close to the value of the car. Especially if your not handy with a wrench. Payment book and a broken car.

[Gunnarrrrr]

On the 1.8T its get a German cast head (not the coscast one). On the 2.0 in the B7 people check the cam follower more often.

I’m a big proponent of AWM heads if stock, AEB if not.

I’ve noticed the germany stamped heads are mostly found on the 03’s. But finding an AWM is even easier.


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[Turbo510]

Curious... what's wrong with the 3.0 motor?

imagine the b5 2.8, but somehow just as slow, and except this time everything breaks all the time

In my opinion the 3.0's issues are way over blown. It's not perfect but plenty of people run them with limited problems.

You guys know my opinion of the 3.0. My '05 has been reliable, plenty powerful for my needs, and has a serious sound when accelerating, which is lacking in the 1.8T and 2.0T. Yes, my A5 Sportback is more powerful, gets better mpg, but doesn't have that 3.0 feel. And if nothing else, the 3.0 just looks good! Slow as a 2.8? 220HP vs. 190. Nothing has broken on mine in 275K miles (except for the plastic coolant pipe )

[EuroxS4]

You guys know my opinion of the 3.0. My '05 has been reliable, plenty powerful for my needs, and has a serious sound when accelerating, which is lacking in the 1.8T and 2.0T. Yes, my A5 Sportback is more powerful, gets better mpg, but doesn't have that 3.0 feel. And if nothing else, the 3.0 just looks good! Slow as a 2.8? 220HP vs. 190. Nothing has broken on mine in 275K miles (except for the plastic coolant pipe )

I only see the problematics ones I guess. But personally from a access standpoint the 3.0 is a damn pig no access is easy to anything that normally fails on those engines. 2.8 was the best engine this is why they discontinued it because it was a low breakdown engine. Those engines got timing belts,water pumps, and wires. That was it apart from oil leaks and some vacuum lines they were bulletproof. Next best engine was definitely the 1.8T sure it had its own issues but big ticket items rarely failed.

It depends how heavy your foot is, my 1.8T went 518k miles before I decided it was time to take it off the road.

[Mike Tries]

Hah yeah. I have an AMB 1.8t. I got acquainted with that piece of junk cylinder head in a hurry, but I wanted one because my friend had a b5 Passat back in the day and we loved that car. A new head (Germany casting but the model number was machined off) made the motor happy for a while.

[Turbo510]

2.8 was the best engine this is why they discontinued it because it was a low breakdown engine. Those engines got timing belts, water pumps, and wires. That was it apart from oil leaks and some vacuum lines they were bulletproof.

I had an early SOHC "12-valve" 2.8 in my'96 A4, even simpler and more reliable than the more common DOHC "30-valve". No variable cam adjustment so not great on low RPM torque, every freeway onramp was a wide-open throttle affair.

[Spike00513]

The 1.8T is a good engine. Some others have been a disaster. Even the worst can be serviceable if you know what your doing. In my opinion the 3.0's issues are way over blown. It's not perfect but plenty of people run them with limited problems. It got a bit of a black eye early on with cam hardening issues. At this point I'm pretty sure that any one with a soft cam is long gone. The B7 2.0T had a HPFP lobe problem. If it fails it puts a lot of hardened metal bits that make it past the oil filter. Those motors lost the cam follower way more often than the 3.0 had problems. They also had a ring sticking issue. That motor was an early GDI. GDI increase the soot load and ring clogging. The soot also works with the EP additives to prematurely wear parts like timing chains. They also have the inlet valve clogging issue.

The B8 2.0T continued the B7's issues with a cam gear tensioner recall and more oil consumption issues.

The issue with the B7 2.0T engine is the oil pump costs about $1800 for just the part and you cant check the bearings to know if they are scored from the cam follower. Sure you can fix one but its expensive.

The later engines had a number of design improvements but also introduced new problems.

What do see is many on the forums only see things in black and white, yes or no. It's completely bad or its good. If its in the good category many issue are overlooked because its good. Reality is a bit more complex, there are pro and cons and most things are a compromise. ITs up to the builder to figure out a solution. On the 1.8T its get a German cast head (not the coscast one). On the 2.0 in the B7 people check the cam follower more often.

On my other vehicle I have what was considered at the time on of the worst engines built. The Mitsubishi 2.6 L G54B 4 with a turbo. Know of loosing oil pressure and spitting out Balance shafts, cracking heads and loosing head gaskets. A decent build and a bit of extra work and it can hold up just fine. I have 20 years on the last build and its still going strong.

What does suck is if you bought one of the later Audi's new or used and get the expensive surprise that it needs a new motor that costs close to the value of the car. Especially if your not handy with a wrench. Payment book and a broken car.

To me the metal parts of the B6 1.8T look bulletproof.

It's just all the shit attached to it that seems like such a pain. The whole birds nest/octopi worth of mazes made of rubber, plastic, pipes, hoses, tubes, vacuum, etc.
I was at a junkyard that had a 1.8T on a shelf and wanted to know where something was located.
The idea was it should be easier to see and take a picture where the particular component is located, with that engine being outside of the car.
No. I could not find the part. With all that crap on top of it.
So much more things on it than just block, head, etc.

I often wonder if it's less of a deal to a skilled diagnoser. With less skill, it's safe to say "let's just replace EVERYTHING as a 100k mi maintenance." with various kit assortments for the above parts.
As opposed to simply running them into the ground as long as possible, waiting for failure (hopefully just one part at a time), and then diagnosing as needed. Like smoke testing, etc.

I wonder if it's worth trying an older Audi. 1980-1995 etc. - probably same as the above (strong metal components such as block) but with less shit attached to it.
But being that old would be tricky. URS4, URS6, etc.
-only old guys have the memory, knowledge, and books of working on them
-parts harder to come by

[Gunnarrrrr]

To me the metal parts of the B6 1.8T look bulletproof.

It's just all the shit attached to it that seems like such a pain. The whole birds nest/octopi worth of mazes made of rubber, plastic, pipes, hoses, tubes, vacuum, etc.
I was at a junkyard that had a 1.8T on a shelf and wanted to know where something was located.
The idea was it should be easier to see and take a picture where the particular component is located, with that engine being outside of the car.
No. I could not find the part. With all that crap on top of it.
So much more things on it than just block, head, etc.

I often wonder if it's less of a deal to a skilled diagnoser. With less skill, it's safe to say "let's just replace EVERYTHING as a 100k mi maintenance." with various kit assortments for the above parts.
As opposed to simply running them into the ground as long as possible, waiting for failure (hopefully just one part at a time), and then diagnosing as needed. Like smoke testing, etc.

I wonder if it's worth trying an older Audi. 1980-1995 etc. - probably same as the above (strong metal components such as block) but with less shit attached to it.
But being that old would be tricky. URS4, URS6, etc.
-only old guys have the memory, knowledge, and books of working on them
-parts harder to come by

it’s the part availability that does it for me. every junkyard around here has at least a dozen 1.8’s. and the fact that you can get all those silly plastic and rubber parts for 1/3rd of the price from a VW dealership instead of an audi dealership. Often even cheaper than the usual ecs/fcp type stores


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[86turbodsl]

04 3.0 USP here. 317,000 miles. ZERO trouble. Depends on what you want to do. They make great highway daily drivers. As long as you don't want to put out 400hp, you'll have a tough time finding a more reliable car. For a german car anyway. If you just don't care about your car, go buy a Toyota or a Honda.

[Spike00513]

If you just don't care about your car, go buy a Toyota

That's what I'm talking about brother HH