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    Veteran Member Three Rings
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    OEM Rear Shock Housings set w/Hardware

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    B5 chassis rear upper suspension mounts. Factory paint. No Corrosion. These are from a 1996 which were Zinc plated before paint. Later versions (mid-97 on) did not have this treatment.
    ---Excellent Condition--- These fit Audi A4 Quattro 1996-2001 and Audi S4 2000-2002.
    Includes hardware and the 2 upper spring bushings as shown.

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    $265 + shipping (~$17 shipping to most US locations)
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    Last edited by Gearbox; 01-06-2023 at 09:32 AM.

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    Veteran Member Four Rings PwrWgn's Avatar
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    Nice! Owning a B5 for a while now I realize more and more that the earlier examples had some of the better quality parts (especially castings, etc).

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    Veteran Member Three Rings
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gearbox View Post
    B5 chassis rear upper suspension mounts. Factory paint. No Corrosion. These are from a 1996 which were Zinc plated before paint. Later versions (mid-97 on) did not have this treatment.
    ---Excellent Condition--- These fit Audi A4 Quattro 1996-2001 and Audi S4 2000-2002.
    Includes hardware and the 2 upper spring bushings as shown.

    back Green 1.jpg

    Front Green 1.jpg



    $265 + shipping (~$17 shipping to most US locations)
    Located in Kansas City

    Contact Chris at this e-mail >>> [email protected]
    I'm just curious how you know only the early 96 versions are zinc plated under the e coat? This doesn't seem accurate in my experience. I've refinished a few sets, including a brand new set, and all have had zinc plating under the black e coat. All set were from the late 90s early 00s.

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    Veteran Member Three Rings
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    Quote Originally Posted by Inferno View Post
    I'm just curious how you know only the early 96 versions are zinc plated under the e coat? This doesn't seem accurate in my experience. I've refinished a few sets, including a brand new set, and all have had zinc plating under the black e coat. All set were from the late 90s early 00s.
    TLDR: Cost saving by Audi that resulted in later housings rusting out sooner

    I've worked on the VW/Audi brand since 1978. I've probably worked on or inspected 400 B5's in the past 14yrs since purchasing my first B5. I started noticing that these housings and other multi piece/fabricated suspension components (i.e. rear subframes) on the 96 MY were rather impervious to corrosion when compared to later MY's. That's when I started looking closer and performed corrosion exposure tests. No this wasn't any standardized type test (ASTM B117) but it did prove that zinc was present.

    Why are the early ones treated and the later ones not? Quite simply it's a product management decision called "cost reduction". Why add something that isn't necessary*to make a product through its life-cycle (warranty period). As a design and development engineer having worked for a Tier 1 supplier to major vehicle OEM's*(including the VAG group) this is commonplace. Removing a process step of this cost and volume saves $M's annually and the original purchaser isn't affected.
    This happens on more parts than you would realize. The vehicle manufacturers*are businesses looking to maximize profits, not make 5th, 6th and later owners happy that their 20 yr old cars are maintenance free.

    Zinc plating is applied after all fabrication and welding steps. As such it covers the entire part. This is either cold or hot. Some of these parts exhibit "runs" or streaks which are evident through the black paint top coat. This tells me the zinc was applied hot and not in a lessor phosphating process. I suspect the later parts (97 up) may have a Zinc Phosphate but I have no evidence to support that. On the contrary, the corrosion initiation points would indicated the part received nothing where weldments are present. Even the strictest vehicle industry specs these days are zinc-phos, KTL (e-coat), and then powder coat. Audi has a rust through warranty on the body, but that doesn't mean everything is covered.

    The test is to chemically remove the paint and subject the part to moisture. I stripped a small section with paint remover and then left the part outside for several months. In my area we get 40 inches of rain annually. No red rust formed. The corrosion was slight but clearly it was white in color which represents Zinc Carbonate (ZnCO3). That has a rate that is 30 times slower in formation than iron oxide.

    I doubt any aftermarket or remaining new OE parts have this. That's why these housings are quite unique. As these cars (specifically the B5/S4) continue to appreciate, it would seem that having OE parts like this installed will just add to their value.

    Chris

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    Veteran Member Three Rings
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    Hi Chris,

    Thanks for the explanation, but the newer parts are definitely zinc plated. Once you strip a part, it is clear the difference between zinc phosphate and zinc plating. At the least, the sheet metal appears to be two side zinc plated. This could leave the edges and any spot welds without the protection of zinc (similar to the unibody).

    Could the 96 units be hot dip galvanized? This would certainly explain why they hold up better in your experience.

    If you have a coating thickness gauge, could you get a measurement? If it is truly hot dip galvanized the thickness should be much higher. I will measure my sets out of curiosity. The E Coat itself is very thin and phosphate conversion coatings have very low thickness.

    Ross

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    Late housing with red rust

    These 3 images are from a late OEM housing I cut open to examine the corrosion initiation points. The rust starts between the spot welds and then propagates under the loosened paint. In the one image with the red arrows I highlight the transition between the attached paint and the rust. There is no white corrosion at any point there or elsewhere on this housing which would indicate zinc.

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    Housing Rust sample A.jpg

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    Veteran Member Three Rings
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    These 2 images are from an early housing ('96). The paint is chipped or flaked off exposing the zinc.


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    FYI: Have bought these rear shock housing from Gearbox before and they truly are in mint condition.
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