Is there a Transmission Adaptation reset procedure available in VCDS

[akingzkid]

Car is 2013 A6 3.0T with stock sports suspension. Just hit 71,000 miles.

My car is starting to shift like crap. Both up and downshifting. I am feeling every shift. Nothing is too crazy but I feel them all, even when it shifts from 7th to 8th. And EVERY press of the gas even a little results in a 1 gear downshift which I feel more that I ever used to feel. The engine braking from 7 to 5 and 5 to 3 is ridiculously jerky.

With that said, I am very frustrated with this beautiful hunk of metal right now.

There an adaptation procedure that I found in VCDS for a 7 speed trans. It can be found here --- http://wiki.ross-tech.com/wiki/index...rbox_(DSG/0B5)

I know that's not my trans and I don't see anything in the Ross Tech wiki like this for the 8 speed trans. Is there something for the 8 speed out there?

I don't know exactly what this is used for or it is allows the car to reset the shift patterns to begin the "relearn" process.

There is a procedure I can do in my wife's Mercedes with just the ignition switch and gas pedal that resets the trans shift points and it makes the car shift soooo much smoother......for a few months.

Is there something like that we can do using VCDS, or otherwise? I have seen similar youtube videos where people are doing a similar procedure for Audis where they are holding down the gas pedal to the floor, etc but I'm skeptical. Again, it absolutely works on my wife's Mercedes so I'm going to try it later today just for giggles.

I find it hard to believe anything is wrong with my trans at 71k miles and I would hate to throw money at a trans oil change and changing all the other diff and transaxle fluids for it to not make any improvement.

Any thoughts?

Thanks.

[doughboy17]

Did you or the prior owners follow the DSG tranny fluid maintenance schedule properly? If not, your first step should be a tranny fluid change.

[TexasDfwS4]

Not DSG

[Spitfire007]

I'm starting to think that engine and trans mounts can influence a lot of flex in the system and how much we feel...
There's also a driveshaft support bearing, and diff bushings.
Maybe something wearing is causing too much flex making the trans jerky?


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[Spitfire007]

I'm starting to think that engine and trans mounts can influence a lot of flex in the system and how much we feel...
There's also a driveshaft support bearing, and diff bushings.
Maybe something wearing is causing too much flex making the trans jerky?
I have a bad engine mount and am starting to feel the same


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[akingzkid]

Did you or the prior owners follow the DSG tranny fluid maintenance schedule properly? If not, your first step should be a tranny fluid change.

Thanks @doughboy17. As @texasDfwS4 said, it's not a DSG.

[akingzkid]

I'm starting to think that engine and trans mounts can influence a lot of flex in the system and how much we feel...
There's also a driveshaft support bearing, and diff bushings.
Maybe something wearing is causing too much flex making the trans jerky?
I have a bad engine mount and am starting to feel the same


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I had my motor mounts replaced a year ago with genuine Audi mounts. It feels like it's getting worse just as of a few weeks ago. I can't think of anything that I have done in the last few weeks that would cause it.
I do have those upper/lower diff and trans mount inserts in. I have had them for around 2.5 years so not sure why I would all of a sudden get weird shifting now out of the blue. Maybe I should remove those (at least the trans one) and see if that makes a difference. I highly doubt it.

Thanks.

[f4m0u5]

i belive its throttle to floor for 15 seconds before turning car on ( engine off) leave on for 30 seconds. then shut off car completely and Then finally remove foot from throttle after car is off

[rabbitdog]

i belive its throttle to floor for 15 seconds before turning car on ( engine off) leave on for 30 seconds. then shut off car completely and Then finally remove foot from throttle after car is off

I was looking for the VCDS options that OP was looking for as well and whatever I found didn’t exist in the adaptation menus.

Came across the steps quoted here and that basically did the relearn.
I did mine after doing the drain and fill+filter on my zf8 (@50k miles )
There is little cold start jerkiness that went away but came back again later on. I’m guessing that the Tcu kept adapting.
Had this even before I did my TCU tune.

Now I get by that initial throttle blip 1-2nd gear by letting off the throttle after the car starts rolling and there is less stress in the 1-2 gear change.

Also have the trans mount and diff mounts.

Don’t really have other issues OP having.

[akingzkid]

i belive its throttle to floor for 15 seconds before turning car on ( engine off) leave on for 30 seconds. then shut off car completely and Then finally remove foot from throttle after car is off

Yeah. I seen 4 or 5 different variations. They are similar to what I do on my wife's Benz but each has a slightly different variation. I will try each one of them to see if one of them works. I read the comments for each and lots of folks are saying that they work. I shall see. Thanks.

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I was looking for the VCDS options that OP was looking for as well and whatever I found didn’t exist in the adaptation menus.

Came across the steps quoted here and that basically did the relearn.
I did mine after doing the drain and fill+filter on my zf8 (@50k miles )
There is little cold start jerkiness that went away but came back again later on. I’m guessing that the Tcu kept adapting.
Had this even before I did my TCU tune.

Now I get by that initial throttle blip 1-2nd gear by letting off the throttle after the car starts rolling and there is less stress in the 1-2 gear change.

Also have the trans mount and diff mounts.

Don’t really have other issues OP having.

Thanks for the reply @rabbitdog.

[Spitfire007]

I had my motor mounts replaced a year ago with genuine Audi mounts. It feels like it's getting worse just as of a few weeks ago. I can't think of anything that I have done in the last few weeks that would cause it.
I do have those upper/lower diff and trans mount inserts in. I have had them for around 2.5 years so not sure why I would all of a sudden get weird shifting now out of the blue. Maybe I should remove those (at least the trans one) and see if that makes a difference. I highly doubt it.

Thanks.

Sure.
Sorry but I don't know where to go with this. If you go ask an Audi dealer they tell you to just change out the trans...I guess they don't troubleshoot anymore...


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[goldenzrule]

..I guess they don't troubleshoot anymore...


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Theres no money to be made in that...

[NikolaZ]

There is a reset adaptation for the Gearbox. it is in 02-Transmission - Basic Settings - Reset All Adaptation Values.

I've done it several times when I had issues with my trans, After it was rebuilt the guy from the shop did the reset again. I was thinking about doing it again, because there is some jerkiness when shifting from 2nd to 3rd with 15-20% throttle.

From ross-tech I found this.

1) 02 - gear box
2) 006 - basic settings
3) delete system-specific adaptation values
4) start

And About the Fast Adaptation

Standstill adaption needs to be done on a level surface, engine running, trans fluid temp at 40C, all door closed including hood and trunk, Trans need to be in Drive with E brake set and your foot on the brake pedal the whole time. When adaption runs it will bang through all the gears you will feel the car/trans clunk as it engages different clutch packs. Standstill adaption I meant to supplement a driving adaption of clutches. I always do a Standstill then a driving adaption before releasing a vehicle.

[akingzkid]

Ok. So I tried 2 of the 4 variations of the trans adaptation that I found. The first didn't produce any noticable difference in shifting. However, to my surprise, the 2nd one did. Here is the one that I did that seems to be working well. Try it and see if you notice smoother shifting and engine braking. My downshifts from 7-5 and 5-3 are often pretty jerky. They are better right now after doing this.

- Hold pedal to the floor for 30 seconds
- Press the ignition button (don't start the car)
- Continue holding pedal for 30 more seconds
- Press ignition button to turn car off
- Release the pedal
- Sit and wait 3-4 min (I did 4 min)
- Start the car

Let me know your results.

[akingzkid]

There is a reset adaptation for the Gearbox. it is in 02-Transmission - Basic Settings - Reset All Adaptation Values.

I've done it several times when I had issues with my trans, After it was rebuilt the guy from the shop did the reset again. I was thinking about doing it again, because there is some jerkiness when shifting from 2nd to 3rd with 15-20% throttle.

From ross-tech I found this.

1) 02 - gear box
2) 006 - basic settings
3) delete system-specific adaptation values
4) start

And About the Fast Adaptation

Thanks. I will keep this in mind.

[NikolaZ]

Did it today with a friend. Didn't take more than 10 minutes. Also you can do the resetting of all adaptation values and then do the Fast Adaptation.

There is a difference, I will be driving it very gently so the other adaptations can be done correctly.

[akingzkid]

Did it today with a friend. Didn't take more than 10 minutes. Also you can do the resetting of all adaptation values and then do the Fast Adaptation.

There is a difference, I will be driving it very gently so the other adaptations can be done correctly.

Ok. I want to make sure I understand you. You are saying to do the adaptation with VCDS which is referred to as what (fast adaptation or standstill adaptation?)? Either way, for that one I need to be on level group with the trans temp at 40 degrees Celsius, foot on brake etc, right?

Then, I follow that by doing the one like what I posted (gas pedal to the floor, etc)?

Then drive it like a grandpa for a bit so the shifting adaptations to that?

[NikolaZ]

I didn't do the gas pedal to the floor, this one was for older audis.

YEs do the fast adaptation after you have erased the values.

[akingzkid]

I didn't do the gas pedal to the floor, this one was for older audis.

YEs do the fast adaptation after you have erased the values.

I want to try this but I am still pretty confused as to what you are referring to as "Standstill adaptation" and "Fast Adaptation".

Which part is "standstill" and which part is "fast"?

Is the "standstill" one the one done in VCDS where you have to hold the brake, set the e-brake, car in drive, trans temp 40C, etc? If so, what exactly is the "Fast" one?

After I figure out exactly what each consists of I can then know to do the "Fast" one AFTER doing the "standstill" one.

Thanks.

[akingzkid]

I went ahead and tried it today. My labeling in VCDS is a little different to get to those menus. This is what I did:

02 - Auto Trans
04 - Basic settings
Select "Erasing of system-specific adaptation values
Click "Go"

However, as soon as I click Go it says it is Complete (or something similar to that) and I didn't feel it do anything.

I then saw another setting that said "Quick Adaptation". So I ran that and it immediately made one thump in the trans and made the car sound like it was revving up some and it displayed "running" but I wasn't feeling anymore thumps so after about 30 seconds I told it to stop.

I then saw one called "Resetting of all adaptation values" and I clicked that and a scary message (warning) came up about maybe having to go to the dealer to have something fixed, yada yada yada so I was like uhhhhhhhh I better not do that one.

So, after doing the 2 that I mentioned above, I drove the car and I don't feel like anything is different. I did both of those with the trans fluid reading at 86C and the car in drive, ebrake on, foot on brake, all doors closed. Maybe I didn't let the one run long enough? I don't know.

Is it safe to do that other one?

[akingzkid]

Does anyone know if it is safe for me to run the "Resetting of all adaptation values" in the Trans module of VCDS? It gives some warning that sounds scary to me.

Thanks.

[NikolaZ]

I did them both Erasing the system specific Values and Resetting the Adaptation Values. After that did the Fast Adaptation as mentioned above. Now the gearbox is working way better. I had a hesitation when the car was cold from 2nd to 3rd, now it is not present.

this is the Topic from ross tech https://forums.ross-tech.com/index.p...0/#post-171752